Do hacked e-mails show global-warming fraud?

posted at 8:48 am on November 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Controversy has exploded onto the Internet after a major global-warming advocacy center in the UK had its e-mail system hacked and the data published on line.  The director of the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit confirmed that the e-mails are genuine — and Australian publication Investigate and the Australian Herald-Sun report that those e-mails expose a conspiracy to hide detrimental information from the public that argues against global warming (via Watt’s Up With That):

The internet is on fire this morning with confirmation computers at one of the world’s leading climate research centres were hacked, and the information released on the internet.

A 62 megabyte zip file, containing around 160 megabytes of emails, pdfs and other documents, has been confirmed as genuine by the head of the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit, Dr Phil Jones.

In an exclusive interview with Investigate magazine’s TGIF Edition, Jones confirms his organization has been hacked, and the data flying all over the internet appears to have come from his organisation.

“It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and emails.”

One of the most damning e-mails published comes from Dr. Jones himself.  In an e-mail from almost exactly ten years ago, Jones appears to discuss a method of overlaying data of temperature declines with repetitive, false data of higher temperatures:

From: Phil Jones
To: ray bradley ,mann@[snipped], mhughes@
[snipped]
Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000
Cc: k.briffa@[snipped],t.osborn@[snipped]
Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,

Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or first thing tomorrow. I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd [sic] from1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.

Thanks for the comments, Ray.

Cheers, Phil
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit

Jones told Investigate that he couldn’t remember the context of “hide the decline,” and that the process was a way to fill data gaps rather than mislead.  But when scientists talk about “tricks” in the context of hiding data, it certainly seems suspicious.

Andrew Bolt points to a couple of other suspicious entries in the database as well for the Herald-Sun.  For instance, here we have scientists discussing how to delete inconvenient data in order to emphasize other data that supports their conclusions:

From: Tom Wigley [...]
To: Phil Jones [...]
Subject: 1940s
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:25:38 -0600
Cc: Ben Santer [...]
Phil,
Here are some speculations on correcting SSTs to partly explain the 1940s warming blip. If you look at the attached plot you will see that theland also shows the 1940s blip (as I’m sure you know).
So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 degC, then this would be significant for the global mean – but we’d still have to explain the land blip. I’ve chosen 0.15 here deliberately. This still leaves an ocean blip, and i think one needs to have some form of ocean blip to explain the land blip (via either some common forcing, or ocean forcing land, or vice versa, or all of these). When you look at other blips, the land blips are 1.5 to 2 times (roughly) the ocean blips—higher sensitivity plus thermal inertia effects. My 0.15 adjustment leaves things consistent with this, so you can see where I am coming from.
Removing ENSO does not affect this.
It would be good to remove at least part of the 1940s blip, but we are still left with “why the blip”.
Let me go further. If you look at NH vs SH and the aerosol effect (qualitatively or with MAGICC) then with a reduced ocean blip we get continuous warming in the SH, and a cooling in the NH—just as one would expect with mainly NH aerosols.
The other interesting thing is (as Foukal et al. note – from MAGICC) that the 1910-40 warming cannot be solar. The Sun can get at most 10% of this with Wang et al solar, less with Foukal solar. So this may well be NADW, as Sarah and I noted in 1987 (and also Schlesinger later). A reduced SST blip in the 1940s makes the 1910-40 warming larger than the SH (which it currently is not)—but not really enough.
So … why was the SH so cold around 1910? Another SST problem? (SH/NH data also attached.)
This stuff is in a report I am writing for EPRI, so I’d appreciate any comments you (and Ben) might have.
Tom.

Hmmm. Sounds like “hid[ing] the data” once again.  And here we have them privately admitting that they can’t find the global warming that they’ve been predicting:

From: Kevin Trenberth
To: Michael Mann
Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:57:37 -0600
Cc: Stephen H Schneider , Myles Allen , peter stott , “Philip D. Jones” , Benjamin Santer , Tom Wigley , Thomas R Karl , Gavin Schmidt , James Hansen , Michael Oppenheimer

Hi all

Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming ? We are asking that here in Boulder where we have broken records the past two days for the coldest days on record. We had 4 inches of snow. The high the last 2 days was below 30F and the normal is 69F, and it smashed the previous records for these days by 10F. The low was about 18F and also a record low, well below the previous record low.

This is January weather (see the Rockies baseball playoff game was canceled on saturday and then played last night in below freezing weather).

Trenberth, K. E., 2009: An imperative for climate change planning: tracking Earth’s global energy. Current Opinion in Environmental Sustainability, 1, 19-27, doi:10.1016/j.cosust.2009.06.001. [1][PDF] (A PDF of the published version can be obtained from the author.)
***

The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.***

Do scientists use data to test theories, or do they use theories to test data? Scientists will claim the former, but here we have scientists who cling to the theory so tightly that they reject the data.  That’s not science; it’s religious belief.

Dr. Jones has confirmed that these e-mails are genuine.  Whether the work represented by these scientists is as genuine seems to be under serious question.  Tim Blair says, “The fun is officially underway.”

Update: These e-mails may explain this:

Global warming appears to have stalled. Climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10 years. Some attribute the trend to a lack of sunspots, while others explain it through ocean currents.

At least the weather in Copenhagen is likely to be cooperating. The Danish Meteorological Institute predicts that temperatures in December, when the city will host the United Nations Climate Change Conference, will be one degree above the long-term average.

Otherwise, however, not much is happening with global warming at the moment. The Earth’s average temperatures have stopped climbing since the beginning of the millennium, and it even looks as though global warming could come to a standstill this year.

Or maybe it didn’t exist at all, except when scientists at Hadley were “hid[ing] the decline[s].”

Update II: This follows on a more mundane controversy over competence at Hadley that erupted in September:

A scientific scandal is casting a shadow over a number of recent peer-reviewed climate papers.

At least eight papers purporting to reconstruct the historical temperature record times may need to be revisited, with significant implications for contemporary climate studies, the basis of the IPCC’s assessments. A number of these involve senior climatologists at the British climate research centre CRU at the University East Anglia. In every case, peer review failed to pick up the errors.

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Carbon-ized toast.

Rebates on credits anyone?

Speakup on November 20, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Is it a lie? Maybe not,

thanks for the clarification.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:29 AM

SHUT UP YOU ANTI-SCIENCE MORONS. SHUT UP!!! WHY DO YOU HATE THE POLAR BEARS?!?!?

patriette on November 20, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Memo from Algore: You hide some data and I’ll distort some data and we’ll meet in Copenhagan.

Kissmygrits on November 20, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Bishop

I was parodying you, you moron. If you can’t understand that, then how the h-e-double-hockeysticks can you understand that email.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Well I guess it’s on the the next sky is falling crisis. This one has just about played out. C’mon all you shysters out there we’ve got lots of brain dead lemmings running around in circles searching for a new cause de jour.

Oldnuke on November 20, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:16 AM

You left out “trick” and “blip.” Those also figured prominently in the emails when I ran a “word cloud” program to find the overall meaning.

/sarc

cs89 on November 20, 2009 at 9:31 AM

From one of the E-Mails posted in Climate Audit’s comment section

I think the only thing that counts is
numbers. The media is going to say “1000 scientists signed” or “1500
signed”. No one is going to check if it is 600 with PhDs versus 2000
without.

Sham. Con. Dishonest. Travesty. Liars. Deceivers. Pseudo-Scientists. Thieves. Typical Liberals.

Holger on November 20, 2009 at 9:31 AM

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:29 AM

How’s it feel finding out you’ve been lied to by esteemed global warming scientists?

BadgerHawk on November 20, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Lamestream Media

I see “Sarah” gave you your cutesy little nickname. Ugh. Barf. Go away.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:32 AM

A hockey stick graph of temps from… 12 tree rings! Ahhh… such lovely data checking going on, and the hiding of that data in the UK has been scandalous. It has taken years to extract the data used to purport that graph, and only secondary analysis had demonstrated that something was seriously wrong with it.

Then comes NASA telling the world that their system of processing temperatures had a flaw on it that biased towards rising temps in all the data sets processed for years… and would everyone please use the updated data sets now? Because the warmest year of the 20th century was 1934 and the 1930′s were the warmest decade, what with the dustbowl and all going on.

The ARGO array of buoys go down to 20m and record temps there, and that has gone global for years. There is a slow but steady decline of temps below the surface layer… not that people like to report that.

The facts do not fit the theory.

We will have the AGW religion around for decades, just like the overpopulated Earth followers who now see a demographic steadying and then decline after 2050. That is just with industrialization and better living standards going on… not alarmism. Too bad alarmism is politically adventageous. Soon we will be saved from the greatest crisis that never existed…

ajacksonian on November 20, 2009 at 9:32 AM

BadgerHawk

If I gave a rat’s a** about this, or you, I’d feel bad I suppose.. But I don’t, so I don’t.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Stay focussed, liar. How’s it feel finding out you’re a sheep who’s been lied to?

BadgerHawk on November 20, 2009 at 9:33 AM

As the little boy said to Shoeless Joe Jackson after the World Series scandal, “Say it ain’t so, Joe”.
Now it’s “Say it ain’t so, ALGORE,”.

Herb on November 20, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Lamestream Media
I see “Sarah” gave you your cutesy little nickname. Ugh. Barf. Go away.
Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Actually, Bernie Goldberg came up with that name about a month ago on o’Reilly. Do try and keep up. You want someone to throw you a life saver or do you want to just keep flailing about?

kingsjester on November 20, 2009 at 9:34 AM

BadgerHawk on November 20, 2009 at 9:33 AM

he wont answer, he’s too busy f*&king that chicken..

mrfixit on November 20, 2009 at 9:35 AM

I was parodying you, you moron. If you can’t understand that, then how the h-e-double-hockeysticks can you understand that email.
Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:30 AM

No you weren’t. You got caught with your pants down again and have resorted to your usual tactic of smearing everyone in sight because the lies are destroying your beliefs.

Climate change “experts” are skewing the data, everyone knows it, yet here you are making a mess of things as you desperately scream “Can’t hear you! LALALALALALALA!”

Bishop on November 20, 2009 at 9:35 AM

BadgerHawk

Don’t be a moron. There’s no such thing as a “lie” anymore in the age of the internet. Sarah Palin’s career is an example of this. Even if this is a “lie” (which I’m not convinced it is), it won’t change anything.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:35 AM

kingsjester on November 20, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Lame-stream Media predates Goldberg.

Holger on November 20, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Hacked is an explanation to discredit the emails and data. More like internal whistle blower if you ask me.

Mr. Arrogant on November 20, 2009 at 9:36 AM

No you weren’t.

Yes I was. I wrote the post. I know. You don’t. Go away.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Being in climate science these days is like being in a cult. You better believe in man-made (and man-solved) climate catastrophe, or you’re going to get excommunicated from the academic church (and their research grants.)

RBMN on November 20, 2009 at 9:36 AM

kingsjester on November 20, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Thanks for saving me trouble.

fourdeucer on November 20, 2009 at 9:37 AM

So Grow Fins is now spinning this, huh? Apparently scientists talking about hiding results, manipulating data, and admitting they can’t account for the theories they’re pushing means they’re, like, totally trustworthy and there’s nothing to this story.

amerpundit on November 20, 2009 at 9:37 AM

everyone knows it

No, you and your gallery of peanut throwing monkeys think you know it. But you also worship every ghost-written pronouncement of the Queen of the Untruth, so why am I surprised?

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:38 AM

We won. You lost. Get a life.

txag92 on November 20, 2009 at 9:38 AM

State run media has issued a formal statement: they are unaware of this controversy and will now get back to fact-checking Sarah Palin’s book.

Take them ALL down with this. They are ALL complicit in this historical abuse of the mantle of science.

jeff_from_mpls on November 20, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Gee, climate “experts” can’t explain the lack of rising global temperatures within the framework of their “global warming” theory? Do any of these geniuses ever employ the concept of Occam’s razor? Their theory is wrong. If they can’t see that, they need to stop calling themselves scientists, and start calling themselves what they are: true believers and fanatics. They’ve left the field of science, and entered the field of theology — and their god is Al Gore. The good news? They can probably get 501(c)(3) non-profit status and collect lots of money from like-minded idiots equally devoted to the Church of Global Warming. The bad news? They’ve traded their careers and their reputations to hang out with a bunch of like-minded idiots.

Wrestling this junk science away from the trembling hands of the socialist left — thus preventing them from enacting their draconian laws, taxes, and other freedom-killing, power-grabbing schemes in the name of saving the planet — won’t be easy, but it has begun. Common sense still prevails, and where it does, leftism, the antithesis of common sense, fails.

Rational Thought on November 20, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Grow Fins, president and chairman of the Flat Earth Society, today released the following statement on the matter:

These are not the emails you are looking for.

It was said while Mr. Fins waved his hand in a mysterious manner.

amerpundit on November 20, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Grow Fins: “These lies are proof that lies are truth.”

LibTired on November 20, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Once again, if you believe in this sh!t (“global warming”), and think people need to alter their lives to reduce CO2 production, act on it. Man up and kill yourself. Off your family as well. Voila–no carbon footprint. Nobody will miss you, trust me.

PimFortuynsGhost on November 20, 2009 at 9:39 AM

So Grow Fins is now spinning this, huh? Apparently scientists talking about hiding results, manipulating data, and admitting they can’t account for the theories they’re pushing means they’re, like, totally trustworthy and there’s nothing to this story.

Where did I say that?

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Yes I was. I wrote the post. I know. You don’t. Go away.
Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Yes, you were. You know it, I know it, and denial is only making you look smaller and weaker than usual. Game over, you lose.

Bishop on November 20, 2009 at 9:39 AM

We won. You lost. Get a life.

And that about says it all with you chumps. Rovian politics 2.0.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Pretty sure you weren’t communicating that this is a major story with disturbing developments when you wrote:

Ooooh look!! The egghead said “Hide the decline”!! That there means he’s a liar!!! Dunno what the rest of this egghead speak is about, but I sure does know me what “hide” and “decline” mean!! Woohhoo!!

But what do I know.

amerpundit on November 20, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Bishop

Oh no, I lose? What now? Do we all stop playing? Boo hoo.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Don’t be a moron. There’s no such thing as a “lie” anymore in the age of the internet. Sarah Palin’s career is an example of this. Even if this is a “lie” (which I’m not convinced it is), it won’t change anything.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Facts are a Prison eh Comrade Grow Fins? Lies will Set you Free?

Holger on November 20, 2009 at 9:40 AM

I like how Fish Face has now taken to attacking Sarah Palin and “global warming” skeptics instead of defending jihadis and pedophiles. Who said the left isn’t versatile?

PimFortuynsGhost on November 20, 2009 at 9:40 AM

This means nothing. According to Al Gore, the man who invented global warming, the interior of the earth is extremely hot — several million degrees, in fact. So, hacked emails or not, we’re all doomed. Like the polar bears.

redzap on November 20, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Dr. Richard Lindzen has been ahead of this from the beginning, citing numerous examples of political push in the scientific world.
He is the top scientist in the field, and MIT, through unbelievable pressure has defended him, and supported him.
This remarkable man, hopefully, will now be vindicated.
This is as important of an issue as the Church in the dark ages suppressing science…these are politicians suppressing science. And decades from now, they will look back at this as the “dark ages” of science…
And just to add to this…the same people fully supporting the suppression of this data (and falsely manipulating), are the same ones supporting health care and it’s claims, the bail outs, and the rest of the liberal ideas.
Honest, factual data is the bane of liberal thought…

right2bright on November 20, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Lies will Set you Free?

You betcha!

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:41 AM

You do have to admire Grow Fins for his tenacity.

It’s hard to hold on to a lie after it’s exposed.

You go, Fins!

jeff_from_mpls on November 20, 2009 at 9:41 AM

ghost-written pronouncement

you mean, like Barry O’s autobiography that was written by Bill Ayers??

mrfixit on November 20, 2009 at 9:41 AM


Memo from Algore: You hide some data and I’ll distort some data and we’ll meet in Copenhagan.

This made my morning. LOL

sinsing on November 20, 2009 at 9:42 AM

You betcha!
Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:41 AM

This is not a Sarah Palin Thread. You need to double your medication.

kingsjester on November 20, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Oh no, I lose? What now? Do we all stop playing? Boo hoo.
Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Yes, you lost…again…but then you’re used to it by now.

You know it, I know it. Cheers.

Bishop on November 20, 2009 at 9:43 AM

I was parodying you, you moron.
Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:30 AM

The brain dead liberal desperately tries to hide his tracks when caught.

MarkTheGreat on November 20, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:41 AM

So, all of Liberalism and everything you believe in has no relation whatsoever to Reality huh? Already knew Liberalism was a psychosis, thanks for admitting it racefan.

Are you a Patient at Arkam or one of the Doctors?

Holger on November 20, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Dr. Richard Lindzen

Ah yes. The scientist hired by oil and coal interests! Sure he’s trustworthy.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:43 AM

And Scientists funded by Lefty asshats like Soros are trustworthy?

Holger on November 20, 2009 at 9:44 AM

I see “Sarah” gave you your cutesy little nickname. Ugh. Barf. Go away.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:32 AM

That particular nickname has been around for years. Though I’m not surprised that you think Sarah has the power to affect even the language we speak.

MarkTheGreat on November 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Ooooh look!! The egghead said “Hide the decline”!! That there means he’s a liar!!! Dunno what the rest of this egghead speak is about, but I sure does know me what “hide” and “decline” mean!! Woohhoo!!

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:16 AM

Here’s the simple part for you FishMan:

The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.

So what do they do? They fudge the numbers to fit the theory.

Tough, isn’t it, when you come to realize that folks are right when they call you an an idiot for consuming the crap these self-serving liars have been feeding you. Your incoherent moaning leads me to believe you need some Rolaids.

But don’t worry. You’ll survive and within a decade, when we go back to the future for the global cooling crisis, you’ll have another mindless liberal cause to give your sorry life meaning.

You truly are a piece of work.

Rod on November 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM

If I gave a rat’s a** about this, or you, I’d feel bad I suppose.. But I don’t, so I don’t.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Lol. You don’t care about scientists pushing global warming hiding data that doesn’t support their goals?

That sounds about right.

BadgerHawk on November 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Liberalism itself is a fraud.

This isn’t an exception. For at least 50 years, these ideologues have been abusing the public trust to foist their technocratic utopia on us.

And now they’re caught in a lie.

Expect them to get violent. It’s who they are.

jeff_from_mpls on November 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM

OK rocket scientist. Explain to me why and how he’s lying. Please explain what “diagram” he’s referring to. What “series” he’s talking about and how “Mike’s series” differ from the other two he mentions. What’s “NH land N of 20N” mean? And please unpack “The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.”

When you do all that douche, then you can gloat.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:13 AM

Mike’s series obviously uses the trick Mike used when his series was published in Nature Magazine to adjust bad values to become “real”. I’m sure we’ll be hearing a lot from Nature about “Mike’s trick” in the future.

Northern Hemisphere land North of the 20th parallel.

The estimates for 1999 for the northern hemisphere combined are off by positive .44 degrees centigrade with respect to the 61-90th’s parallels (i.e., the northernmost portion of the terrestrial spheroid), relative to the real data.

[NH combined is obviously 0-90 (equator to poles), land and sea]. In other words, the poles are cooler than expected in 1999.

I could go on, but, Mr. Grow Fins, the duplicity in the e-mail becomes obvious after reading about all the area and temperature adjustments, etc. needed to turn bad data into good.

unclesmrgol on November 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM

If I gave a rat’s a** about this, or you, I’d feel bad I suppose.. But I don’t, so I don’t.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Which is why you are posting an awful lot on this thread.

Your spinning is contributing to Goebbels Warmening. Why do you hate the polar bears?

rbj on November 20, 2009 at 9:46 AM

If I gave a rat’s a** about this, or you, I’d feel bad I suppose.. But I don’t, so I don’t.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:33 AM

If you had a rat’s a**, you would be a lot smarter.

MarkTheGreat on November 20, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Grow Fins: “Is it getting hot in here?”

LibTired on November 20, 2009 at 9:47 AM

ALL our institutions are failing us, even science is bought and paid for. Another benefit of government grants and public policy determined by Congress and bureaucrats driving science.

paul1149 on November 20, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:43 AM

As opposed to all those Scientists funded by Left Wing groups and people like George ‘I Collaborated with Nazis’ Soros?

Holger on November 20, 2009 at 9:47 AM

You can tell that Grow Fins knows he has lost this argument. He’s resorted to flinging insults the way a monkey flings poo.

MarkTheGreat on November 20, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:33 AM

For a girl who doesn’t give a rat’s a** about this, you’re sure spending a lot of time here trying to spin it.

BadgerHawk on November 20, 2009 at 9:47 AM

I hear sputtering and foot stomping…Fins, you okay?

Bishop on November 20, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Data suppression and academic fraud are grounds for dismissal.

Will these men be fired?

No, in the times we live in, they will receive a Nobel Prize.

Evil = Good.

We have to end this in 2010 and 2012.

jeff_from_mpls on November 20, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Don’t be a moron. There’s no such thing as a “lie” anymore in the age of the internet. Sarah Palin’s career is an example of this. Even if this is a “lie” (which I’m not convinced it is), it won’t change anything.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Fish fry on Friday nights…grow fins has the red herring…what the heck does Palin have to do with scientists falsely manipulating data to fool you (and here is the generic you, meaning all liberals)…of all people you should be the most angry, you bought their lies, you are the one that was fooled by them, they have jerked your chain.
You are like a abused women, you keep coming back for more…they have made a fool of you. It wasn’t “Sarah” or the conservatives, it was your liberal friends who have lied to you…you were played.
Here is your choice…stand up and denounce these goons and become a man/woman…or keep the faith, and accept their lies, and you become a tool and worthless when it comes to objective thought…you have been used and played by the liberals who you so identify with, it must be heartbreaking, but that is the reality. You were so easily manipulated, so easy…what else have they done? It was so easy…

right2bright on November 20, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Palin was 100% correct this is SNAKEOIL SCIENCE

unseen on November 20, 2009 at 9:48 AM

If I gave a rat’s a** about this, or you, I’d feel bad I suppose.. But I don’t, so I don’t.

Haha – that explains this meltdown and a flurry of posts.

reaganaut on November 20, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Ah yes. The scientist hired by oil and coal interests! Sure he’s trustworthy.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:43 AM

As opposed to the scientists we should listen to who make money off of selling “green” technology and carbon credits or receive their funding from people who do.

Financial interest is financial interest.

amerpundit on November 20, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Don’t be a moron. There’s no such thing as a “lie” anymore in the age of the internet. Sarah Palin’s career is an example of this. Even if this is a “lie” (which I’m not convinced it is), it won’t change anything.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:35 AM

First an insult. Followed by a non-sequitor that makes no sense. Then a lie about a popular figure in an attempt to change the subject.

Liberals can dance, they just can’t dance well.

MarkTheGreat on November 20, 2009 at 9:49 AM

This is not a Sarah Palin Thread. You need to double your medication.

kingsjester on November 20, 2009 at 9:42 AM

When they have nothing else they head straight to Palin, it’s the new Bush/Halliburton.

thomasaur on November 20, 2009 at 9:49 AM

As opposed to all those Scientists funded by Left Wing groups and people like George ‘I Collaborated with Nazis’ Soros?

Holger on November 20, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Why should Nazi collaboration bug someone like Fish Face who is pro-child rape and pro-jihidi? Birds of a feather…

PimFortuynsGhost on November 20, 2009 at 9:50 AM

I see “Sarah” gave you your cutesy little nickname. Ugh. Barf. Go away.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:32 AM

This coming from one who sees himself as a fish.

Rod on November 20, 2009 at 9:50 AM

unclesmrgol on November 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Well done.

BadgerHawk on November 20, 2009 at 9:50 AM

“I want people jailed”

Too good for these deceivers and manipulators of mankind. I’d suggest we’d take them at their word about dangerous warming coming and as an act of charity and concern, stake them entire herd of them consensus frauds out on an Arctic ice flow naked, so they don’t get too hot. No polar bear fur coats allowed….

Don L on November 20, 2009 at 9:51 AM

I love the smell of burnt carp in the morning.

LibTired on November 20, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Why should Nazi collaboration bug someone like Fish Face who is pro-child rape and pro-jihidi? Birds of a feather…

PimFortuynsGhost on November 20, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Allow me to finish it

Birds of a feather… Get a trial together.

Holger on November 20, 2009 at 9:51 AM

So what is the connection to Al Gore, the P.T. Barnum of the Global Warming scam?

albill on November 20, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Don’t you just hate it when the facts won’t cooperate with your theories? Sooo annoying.

patriette on November 20, 2009 at 9:51 AM

And that about says it all with you chumps. Rovian politics 2.0.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Actually it’s Obamite politics. But then you already knew that.

MarkTheGreat on November 20, 2009 at 9:51 AM

You can tell that Grow Fins knows he has lost this argument. He’s resorted to flinging insults the way a monkey flings poo.

MarkTheGreat on November 20, 2009 at 9:47 AM

You know one of my favorite analogies…monkey at the end of the organ grinders chain…the organ grinder grinds and the monkey dances.
These liberals danced when their master played the music…they were so easy manipulated.
You would think they would be angry at their leaders…they were played the fools.
Instead, as you say, they fling poo…there own people played them for fools, and now it is obvious and out in the open.
It will be interesting to see how loyal they are to someone who keeps them on a chain…dance you little monkeys, the music is getting louder…

right2bright on November 20, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Who said the left isn’t versatile?

PimFortuynsGhost on November 20, 2009 at 9:40 AM

They aren’t versatile, they’re slippery. If they were versatile, they’d at least be able to come up with new dodges.

MarkTheGreat on November 20, 2009 at 9:53 AM

unclesmrgol on November 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Boo. Yah.

amerpundit on November 20, 2009 at 9:53 AM

albill on November 20, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Three Ring Circus. Al Gore was the bearded lady in another life donchya know.

Holger on November 20, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Global Warming is simply caused by that 1,000,000 degree center of the earth leaking out into the atmosphere-Al Gore

unseen on November 20, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Come back, Grow Fins. You were just starting to turn the tide in your favor.

BadgerHawk on November 20, 2009 at 9:54 AM

If I gave a rat’s a** about this, or you, I’d feel bad I suppose.. But I don’t, so I don’t.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Says the man/child commenting feverishly on this thread…your actions betray your words you hollowed out piece of trash…you fool no one on this site but your own dumb ass self.

javamartini on November 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Ah yes. The scientist hired by oil and coal interests! Sure he’s trustworthy.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:43 AM

1) Even if he was, deal with the data, don’t attack the scientist.
2) The fact that he was never hired by the oil and coal industry has been a proven fact for years. But since you prefer lies to reality …

MarkTheGreat on November 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Fake but accurate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

/ Al Gore

gwelf on November 20, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Ah yes. The scientist hired by oil and coal interests! Sure he’s trustworthy.

Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:43 AM

You are one of two or three in the world that would taint his name…and you are nothing in the world.
Show me where his data has been proven wrong…now dance you little monkey, dance…your organ grinder is grinding.
You really should look at who has fooled you and played you as a fool…it wasn’t the right, it was your liberals buddies…dance you little monkey, or break the chain and be free.

right2bright on November 20, 2009 at 9:56 AM

I would like to see Charles Johnson’s face when he reads this.

WisCon on November 20, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Oh no, I lose? What now?
Grow Fins on November 20, 2009 at 9:40 AM

You lose every time you post. What do you normally do? Oh yeah, keep losing…

joejm65 on November 20, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Dontcha just love our Trolls? When the going gets tough, they split.

kingsjester on November 20, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Dontcha just love our Trolls? When the going gets tough, they split.

kingsjester on November 20, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Well to be fair they have had a bad couple of months trying to carry the water for the man-child and his merry band of idiots in Congress

unseen on November 20, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Hey, Fins.

Hope you have a great day, and keep f***ing that chicken!

Goody2Shoes on November 20, 2009 at 9:59 AM

I’m so happy. The global warming scam is finally over!

p0s3r on November 20, 2009 at 10:02 AM

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