Comments on: Sources: Giuliani won’t run for New York governor — but will run for Senate

By: nelsonknows

nelsonknows — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:53:42 +0000

STUPID, STUPID PEOPLE!
Do you assholes even KNOW what the basis of Conservatism is?
THE U.S. CONSTITUTION and STRICT adherence thereof.
Rudy thinks the Constitution is just a piece of paper and you folks need to back AWAY from the crack pipe.

By: nelsonknows

nelsonknows — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:50:18 +0000

Daemonocracy on November 20, 2009 at 6:34 AM

This is what is called in real life RATIONALIZATION, look it up.

By: Rob Taylor

Rob Taylor — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:33:08 +0000

Agree with AthenaNYC I find most “Conservatives” squishy on law and order issues like drugs, dealing with gangs, drunk driving etc but because I’m OK with first term abortions being legal I’m called a RINO. Abortion is not the flagship issue of Rightism, freedom is. I don’t like Rudy’s gun grabbing so I didn’t want him as president, but as a senator I can get behind him because he can do a lot of good.

By: athenanyc

athenanyc — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:15:40 +0000

Rudy is NOT a RINO. There is more to being a conservative than being anti-abortion. There’s also more to true leadership than pure party line voting. Rudy is a true leader.

GIULIANI/PALIN ’12!!!! (I can dream) ;)

By: voxpopuli

voxpopuli — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:26:57 +0000

I don’t care how much of a tightwad the man is with the purse strings, nor how much he is owned by special business interests, a “true conservative” does not hug illegal aliens or grab your guns. RINO end of story.

By: Buy Danish

Buy Danish — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:13:49 +0000

Oh wait! McCain has turned like Brutus on his friends Lieberman and Graham and is now opposed to cap n trade.

By: jhffmn

jhffmn — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:10:11 +0000

Wait, how is Rudy a RINO?Rudy is a fiscal conservative not some compassionate conservative pro-life democrat RINO.

By: TheAlamos

TheAlamos — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:03:15 +0000

Agreed.

Count to 10 on November 20, 2009 at 9:56 AM

You know who is really a RINO? It’s Allahpundit. [Just kidding AP.]

By: MechEng5by5

MechEng5by5 — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:15:37 +0000

I don’t see Giuliani as a RINO. I see him as representing his district’s views. He said if president he would nominate strict constitutionalist judges and would not stand in the way of Roe v Wade being overturned and I for one believe him.

For this reason I won’t be taking your stupid little poll, AP.

By: LibertyBoyNYC

LibertyBoyNYC — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:26:43 +0000

Rudy is no “RINO”. I put his fiscal conservatism and pro-business, pro-growth leaning against any righty that the GOP can offer up. Check his mayoral creds as far as the development of the city, how can you call the guy a candy-ass?!?! There has been no tougher opponent of organized crime and champion of the middle class than Guiliani in NYC, and, don’t forget, he inherited a city mired in crime and entitlement and decay. Get a clue, Allahpundit!

By: Count to 10

Count to 10 — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:56:56 +0000

TheAlamos on November 20, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Agreed.

By: HobbesDFW

HobbesDFW — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:48:34 +0000

Can’t say it much better than Danish. I was a Giuliani supporter, but he pulled out before the Texas primary. McCain is still way better than the POTUS we ended up with, but he wasn’t my first choice.

Adding my two cents worth, though (for Allah’s benefit) – we’re getting a little too careless with how the term RINO is applied. In my book (and Danish’s), it certainly doesn’t apply to Rudy. That said, if voters who are moderates on the social positions are indiscriminately labeled that way, there won’t be a lot of “true” R’s left. But if DIABLOs like Scozzafava are what the party is prepared to put forward as candidates, they should expect a lot of pushback.

By: TheAlamos

TheAlamos — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:41:19 +0000

I voted for “true conservative” because I believe that Gulliani is a “true conservative”. Not pure, but conservative enough to protect the interests of America. He may differ in some social issues, but the man is conservative enough. Sarah Palin, being a supporter of Gulliani, can attest to that.

As far as I’m concerned, Gulliani is 100% LOYAL TO REPUBLICANISM AND MANY FEATURES OF MODERN DAY CONSERVATISM. Guilliani may be compassionate to the plight of women who went or are contemplating abortion … but he never used his power as NYC mayor to promote abortion. He still considers that “women opting for life of their unborn” as the ideal perspective that we should all support.

At least he tried to control the fiscal irresponsibility of NYers while seating as a Mayor. Considering NYC, that’s a great achievement already. That cannot be said for the DIABLO Schwarzenneger.

And Gulliani is the FACE of one of the CORNERSTONE Principles of Modern Day Conservatism: STRONG NATIONAL SECURITY AND AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM.

So … Gulliani deserves a special room in the Hall of the Conservatives, the Upper Room of the Big Tent Republican Party.

Thus, the poll question is biased against Gulliani.

By: exdeadhead

exdeadhead — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:09:27 +0000

Rudy will be a fiscal conservative, and that’s most important as our nation stares at the brink of financial disaster.

Rudy wants to kill Islamo-facists. Awesome!

No way a social-con wins in NY State. And that doesn’t even matter, because Rudy is a so called “strict constructionist” on judges. Maybe he’s weak on gay marriage, but his one vote isn’t going to make a difference on this issue.

Go Rudy! The best man for the job in NY State.

By: Buy Danish

Buy Danish — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:24:50 +0000

Rudy would make an awesome Senator. He is a fiscal conservative and has impeccable creds as Mayor to prove it.

Unlike McCain, he would allow us to drill in ANWR and let us tap other energy resources, would not push cap & trade, would not support legislation like the disastrous McCain-Feingold.

Rudy is only a “RINO” in the sense that he is not a hardcore social con – although he would vote with conservatives on those issues – to the extent that they ever reach the Senate floor in the first place, which is never (except when judges are being approved).

By: Daemonocracy

Daemonocracy — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:34:29 +0000

Pro-Choice, Pro Illegal Alien Amnesty, anti 2nd Amendment, Support Affirmative Action, LIED about crime being at record high when he took office, supports NAFTA.
This makes Rudy to the left of Joe Lieberman.

nelsonknows on November 19, 2009 at 11:47 PM

- He is personally pro-choice but takes a Federalist approach to it. Let the States decide. He is also against Partial birth abortion.

- I don’t recall him ever supporting Amnesty. NY is a Santcuary city, which bothers me, but he used the sanctuary status as a means toe ncourage illegals to report crimes they witnessed.

- He is bad on guns but most cop unions tend to be tough on guns in inner cities and he sided with them. Noble but flawed thinking.

- Crime was atrocious when he entered office and he cleaned that city up. That can not be taken away from him.

- NAFTA is free trade. Most conservatives are for free trade as long it is fair. Free Trade is good for us, protectionism is bad.

He is shakey on abortion and weak on guns but I trust the guy to show restraint when it comes to the federal level.

By: SueM

SueM — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:43:26 +0000

I like Rudy.

By: voxpopuli

voxpopuli — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:42:02 +0000

Finally, concluding my “Hate Rudy” rant, let’s dispense with one more thing: This “America’s Mayor” nonsense. That’s just some slick branding thing he came up with after 9/11. And we here in the Heartland let him have it, b/c the city and the nation needed healing. But he is NOT our mayor, and never was. He’s the consummate N.Y. A-hole. And mid-America loathes N.Y. A-holes. So.

By: voxpopuli

voxpopuli — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:42:14 +0000

So, in summary:

Senator of New York? Sure, why not. Probably beats the competition. I might even chuck him a few bucks.

President of the United States? Over my dead body. Me and tons of loud, obnoxious rabble-rousing, ferret-loving weirdos would protest and humiliate this chump to the ends of the earth.

By: voxpopuli

voxpopuli — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:34:16 +0000

Rudy’s ferret meltdown. Totally inappropriate for a public figure. If some guy talked to me like this in a bar, I’d pop him in the nose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxLP6ni8vVo

By: voxpopuli

voxpopuli — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:27:37 +0000

Now I’m worked up over the ferret issue — and you should be too.

A ferret is somebodys PET, alright? Maybe it’s not YOUR pet — but it’s a pet. Like a dog. Or a cat.

People love their pets. Attacking people for loving their pets is like attacking God, Mom, and Apple Pie.

Consider that. Maybe you don’t know or don’t like ferrets, but it’s a real flaw with this joker. I honestly believe Rudy does not have much, if any, heart. I’m serious.

By: voxpopuli

voxpopuli — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:19:11 +0000

OK after commenting, I read the comments of others. Rudy had some rightest tendencies (hard on crime), some leftist (seize my guns, BAN MY FERRETS). Also sucking up to illegals. Rudy would need some strong “vetting” i.e. getting him on record unequivocally. Bascially you can reconcile his two sides by saying that he will always go after POWER. That’s what the man lives for. And that worries me from a federalist, state’s rights perspective (having him in a position of federal authority).

P.S. If it wasn’t clear HANDS OFF MY FERRETS GUILIANI FU.

By: voxpopuli

voxpopuli — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:13:40 +0000

Rudy is a RINO, and a power-hungry freak, and a Nazi . . . but then again, it *IS* New York. He’s probably the best that could be hoped for out of Sodom and Gaomorrah.

By: Sapwolf

Sapwolf — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:54:29 +0000

If Rudy runs as a fiscon and pro-business candidate, with secure borders and pro-defense, I can live with him being more liberal on social issues.

Let Sarah pick another interpretationist for the SCOTUS and overturn Roe vs. Wade. Then NY can do what it wants while we pro-lifers save babies and moms in the other states first.

By: Rbastid

Rbastid — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:01:14 +0000

And based on the thoughts we see here the Right will never take back Congress or the Senate.

In places like NY we need to take what we can get, Rudy can win in NY, a true Conservative can win in a primary but will be killed by New York City’s vote, thus screwing us.

I think Rudy is a good man, and as he always said, follows what the law says even if he feels differently, i.e. line item vetos.

In the Pres Election I believe a real strong conservative can win, but in NY, NJ and Cali people are going to have to suck it up and realize we’re not going to win state wide elections if we have Goldwater running.