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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 14% of homeowners in danger of foreclosure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 14% of homeowners in danger of foreclosure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Washington Post reported an &#8220;unexpected&#8221; decline in new-housing starts, a drop of 10% from September to October, when analysts &#8212; and the White House &#8212; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: abobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>abobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dave R. on November 19, 2009 at 7:21 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bleeds Blue is fugly stidiot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dave R. on November 19, 2009 at 7:21 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Bleeds Blue is fugly stidiot!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But, but, but, Bleeds Blue told us the economy was recovering.

rbj on November 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bleeds Blue is to stoopid even to be a &lt;strong&gt;useful idiot&lt;/strong&gt;.

-Which is why he is a &lt;strong&gt;useless idiot&lt;/strong&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But, but, but, Bleeds Blue told us the economy was recovering.</p>
<p>rbj on November 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>Bleeds Blue is to stoopid even to be a <strong>useful idiot</strong>.</p>
<p>-Which is why he is a <strong>useless idiot</strong>.</p>
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		<title>By: bluegrass</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluegrass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hard to lie two months in a row without getting caught</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hard to lie two months in a row without getting caught</p>
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		<title>By: Inflation is Good, For Now &#124; Benjamin B. Daniels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inflation is Good, For Now &#124; Benjamin B. Daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Air worries that &#8220;instead of real growth, we have inflation.&#8221; This in response to news that core [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ORconservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ORconservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m guessing that  there is a limbo inventory that is not even counted in that 7 million.  As was  explained to me on this blog, not too long ago the banks have done everythinng in t heir power to keep a significant number of homes from showing up in the r ed on their books.  The banks guilty of this are the big ones.  BofA comes to mind. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if these homes are yet completely uncounted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing that  there is a limbo inventory that is not even counted in that 7 million.  As was  explained to me on this blog, not too long ago the banks have done everythinng in t heir power to keep a significant number of homes from showing up in the r ed on their books.  The banks guilty of this are the big ones.  BofA comes to mind. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if these homes are yet completely uncounted.</p>
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		<title>By: greggriffith</title>
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		<dc:creator>greggriffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They think &lt;em&gt;this&lt;/em&gt; is bad? Wait &#039;til the &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/2s9UID&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shadow inventory&lt;/a&gt; of 7 million foreclosed homes hits an already-depressed housing market over the next 6-12 months. With that many homes being offered at rock-bottom prices, who in their right mind is going to build a new one?

2010 is shaping up to be an exceptionally ugly year economically; let&#039;s just hope the Stupid Party can pin the blame where it belongs, instead of getting it pinned on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They think <em>this</em> is bad? Wait &#8217;til the <a href="http://bit.ly/2s9UID" rel="nofollow">shadow inventory</a> of 7 million foreclosed homes hits an already-depressed housing market over the next 6-12 months. With that many homes being offered at rock-bottom prices, who in their right mind is going to build a new one?</p>
<p>2010 is shaping up to be an exceptionally ugly year economically; let&#8217;s just hope the Stupid Party can pin the blame where it belongs, instead of getting it pinned on them.</p>
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		<title>By: ORconservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ORconservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a home near us that had a foreclose date in July.  It is now November and the home is still not foreclosed. It has been vacant for 18 months and although there has been at least 4 buyers interested since it has been vacant, there it sits in limbo.  
I doubt this is the only house in the country like this.  
Obviously it doesn&#039;t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the housing market can not recover while there is a whole category of houses in limbo.  Maybe Obama&#039;s unicorns live in the limbo houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a home near us that had a foreclose date in July.  It is now November and the home is still not foreclosed. It has been vacant for 18 months and although there has been at least 4 buyers interested since it has been vacant, there it sits in limbo.<br />
I doubt this is the only house in the country like this.<br />
Obviously it doesn&#8217;t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the housing market can not recover while there is a whole category of houses in limbo.  Maybe Obama&#8217;s unicorns live in the limbo houses.</p>
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		<title>By: NoLeftTurn</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoLeftTurn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait til those Alt-A loans start resetting next year and in 2011.  We haven&#039;t even scratched the surface of this disaster yet.  But hey, let&#039;s give everyone an $8000 tax credit to buy a house they can&#039;t afford and finance it with FHA money at 100%.  That should solve the problem.

/s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait til those Alt-A loans start resetting next year and in 2011.  We haven&#8217;t even scratched the surface of this disaster yet.  But hey, let&#8217;s give everyone an $8000 tax credit to buy a house they can&#8217;t afford and finance it with FHA money at 100%.  That should solve the problem.</p>
<p>/s</p>
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		<title>By: mankai</title>
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		<dc:creator>mankai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;UnderstandingisPower on November 19, 2009 at 12:11 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Shockingly accurate.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
DrW on November 19, 2009 at 11:37 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You are assuming that people are able to handle the additional debt load. Programs that encourage activity that would not normally be encouraged by natural economic forces will always cause a bubble effect. And when any borrow-spend program ends, the artificial incentives go, the debt remains (robbing the economy of investment assets) and the market makes a correction. You end up with no measurable gain, increased debt and abnormal decisions that will result in some degree of reality backlash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>UnderstandingisPower on November 19, 2009 at 12:11 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Shockingly accurate.</p>
<blockquote><p>
DrW on November 19, 2009 at 11:37 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>You are assuming that people are able to handle the additional debt load. Programs that encourage activity that would not normally be encouraged by natural economic forces will always cause a bubble effect. And when any borrow-spend program ends, the artificial incentives go, the debt remains (robbing the economy of investment assets) and the market makes a correction. You end up with no measurable gain, increased debt and abnormal decisions that will result in some degree of reality backlash.</p>
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		<title>By: European Bank: Meltdown within 2 Years &#8211; The Eagle&#8217;s Eye for November 19, 2009 &#171; ON MY WATCH &#8211; the writings of SamHenry</title>
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		<dc:creator>European Bank: Meltdown within 2 Years &#8211; The Eagle&#8217;s Eye for November 19, 2009 &#171; ON MY WATCH &#8211; the writings of SamHenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] HotAir &#8211; Housing starts “unexpectedly” tumble Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)SocGen&#146;s proposed portfolio for a global economic collapseNational Debt Now Tops $12 TrillionRising Debt a Threat to Japanese Economy [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dogsoldier</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogsoldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Home foreclosures reaches records for the last THREE months. Retail sales &quot;unexpectedly&quot; dropped (cratered) for the last three months.

More people are &quot;unexpectedly&quot; unemployed OVER THE LAST 10 MONTHS.

And &quot;unexpectedly&quot; Bozo announced that his &quot;job summit&quot; isn&#039;t actually about fixing unemployment. (Rush spoke about this yesterday)

Joe Biden is still saying porkulus is working BETTER than &quot;expected&quot;

But the dems are pushing a jobs bill they hope to vote on in December. Thats sorta &quot;unexpected&quot; since that was what they claimed porkulus was for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Home foreclosures reaches records for the last THREE months. Retail sales &#8220;unexpectedly&#8221; dropped (cratered) for the last three months.</p>
<p>More people are &#8220;unexpectedly&#8221; unemployed OVER THE LAST 10 MONTHS.</p>
<p>And &#8220;unexpectedly&#8221; Bozo announced that his &#8220;job summit&#8221; isn&#8217;t actually about fixing unemployment. (Rush spoke about this yesterday)</p>
<p>Joe Biden is still saying porkulus is working BETTER than &#8220;expected&#8221;</p>
<p>But the dems are pushing a jobs bill they hope to vote on in December. Thats sorta &#8220;unexpected&#8221; since that was what they claimed porkulus was for.</p>
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		<title>By: capejasmine</title>
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		<dc:creator>capejasmine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus healed.

This so called messiah is better described as a destroyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus healed.</p>
<p>This so called messiah is better described as a destroyer.</p>
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		<title>By: UnderstandingisPower</title>
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		<dc:creator>UnderstandingisPower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to know WHO thinks it was &quot;unexpected&quot; and WHY.  Is it the reporter who is going on all that hopey-changey stuff?  Is it the editor?  Or is it the idiot &quot;experts&quot; they are talking to? 

Remember that Eastasia/Eurasia quote from 1984 we&#039;re always using?  Well, here&#039;s a better one:

Today&#039;s issue contained a statement of the actual output, from which &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;it appeared that the forecasts were in every instance grossly wrong&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;. Winston&#039;s job was to rectify the original figures by making them agree with the later ones. As for the third message, it referred to a very simple error which could be set right in a couple of minutes. As short a time ago as February, the Ministry of Plenty had issued a promise (a &#039;categorical pledge&#039; were the official words) that there would be no reduction of the chocolate ration during 1984. Actually, as Winston was aware, the chocolate ration was to be reduced from thirty grammes to twenty at the end of the present week. All that was needed was to substitute for the original promise a warning that it would probably be necessary to reduce the ration at some time in April...

But actually, he thought as he re-adjusted the Ministry of Plenty&#039;s figures, it was not even forgery. It was merely the substitution of one piece of nonsense for another. Most of the material that you were dealing with had no connexion with anything in the real world, not even the kind of connexion that is contained in a direct lie. Statistics were just as much a fantasy in their original version as in their rectified version. A great deal of the time you were expected to make them up out of your head. For example, the Ministry of Plenty&#039;s forecast had estimated the output of boots for the quarter at one-hundred-and-forty-five million pairs. The actual output was given as sixty-two millions. Winston, however, in rewriting the forecast, marked the figure down to fifty-seven millions, so as to allow for the usual claim that the quota had been overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than one-hundred-and-forty-five millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot. And so it was with every class of recorded fact, great or small. Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally, even the date of the year had become uncertain. 

&lt;strong&gt;We&#039;re living in 1984!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to know WHO thinks it was &#8220;unexpected&#8221; and WHY.  Is it the reporter who is going on all that hopey-changey stuff?  Is it the editor?  Or is it the idiot &#8220;experts&#8221; they are talking to? </p>
<p>Remember that Eastasia/Eurasia quote from 1984 we&#8217;re always using?  Well, here&#8217;s a better one:</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s issue contained a statement of the actual output, from which <em><strong>it appeared that the forecasts were in every instance grossly wrong</strong></em>. Winston&#8217;s job was to rectify the original figures by making them agree with the later ones. As for the third message, it referred to a very simple error which could be set right in a couple of minutes. As short a time ago as February, the Ministry of Plenty had issued a promise (a &#8216;categorical pledge&#8217; were the official words) that there would be no reduction of the chocolate ration during 1984. Actually, as Winston was aware, the chocolate ration was to be reduced from thirty grammes to twenty at the end of the present week. All that was needed was to substitute for the original promise a warning that it would probably be necessary to reduce the ration at some time in April&#8230;</p>
<p>But actually, he thought as he re-adjusted the Ministry of Plenty&#8217;s figures, it was not even forgery. It was merely the substitution of one piece of nonsense for another. Most of the material that you were dealing with had no connexion with anything in the real world, not even the kind of connexion that is contained in a direct lie. Statistics were just as much a fantasy in their original version as in their rectified version. A great deal of the time you were expected to make them up out of your head. For example, the Ministry of Plenty&#8217;s forecast had estimated the output of boots for the quarter at one-hundred-and-forty-five million pairs. The actual output was given as sixty-two millions. Winston, however, in rewriting the forecast, marked the figure down to fifty-seven millions, so as to allow for the usual claim that the quota had been overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than one-hundred-and-forty-five millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot. And so it was with every class of recorded fact, great or small. Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally, even the date of the year had become uncertain. </p>
<p><strong>We&#8217;re living in 1984!</strong></p>
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		<title>By: rocketman</title>
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		<dc:creator>rocketman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>***
We had the super smart CASH FOR CLUNKERS program destroy more than 700,000 usable cars.  This resulted in more new car sale opportunities and employed more car salesmen and auto factory workers.  The only (slight!!) downside was that the American Taxpayers (aka victims) got sc***ed financially.
***
Why not start an equivalent program for houses?  We already have part of the plan in place with the first time buyer $8000 gift.  Just complete the program and employ more builders, carpenters, plumbers, mortgage loan employees, firemen, etc.  Remove the unsold and unneeded houses from existence--I suggest we name the program CASH FOR ARSONISTS!!!
***
Just like the big POTLATCH events the Northwestern American Indians used to hold to impress other tribes long ago.
***
John Bibb
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We had the super smart CASH FOR CLUNKERS program destroy more than 700,000 usable cars.  This resulted in more new car sale opportunities and employed more car salesmen and auto factory workers.  The only (slight!!) downside was that the American Taxpayers (aka victims) got sc***ed financially.<br />
***<br />
Why not start an equivalent program for houses?  We already have part of the plan in place with the first time buyer $8000 gift.  Just complete the program and employ more builders, carpenters, plumbers, mortgage loan employees, firemen, etc.  Remove the unsold and unneeded houses from existence&#8211;I suggest we name the program CASH FOR ARSONISTS!!!<br />
***<br />
Just like the big POTLATCH events the Northwestern American Indians used to hold to impress other tribes long ago.<br />
***<br />
John Bibb<br />
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		<title>By: PackerBronco</title>
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		<dc:creator>PackerBronco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;From Robert Heinlein’s “The Door into Summer”

unclesmrgol on November 19, 2009 at 11:31 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

TANSTAAFL bump!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>From Robert Heinlein’s “The Door into Summer”</p>
<p>unclesmrgol on November 19, 2009 at 11:31 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>TANSTAAFL bump!!</p>
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		<title>By: DrW</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrW</dc:creator>
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		<description>Ed, I feel that contrary to your statement that the tax credit robbed sales from future quarters, the tax credit boosted 1st time buyer&#039;s consumer confidence and made buyer&#039;s out of families pre-disposed to continue renting. 

A month ago, on this blog, I floated the idea of extending the tax credit and expanding it to move-up buyers.  I got zero positve feedback other than numerous anti-subsidy insults hurled in my directon. 

Finally, there are lots and lots of buyers who wanted to buy homes this Fall but the logistics of getting a signed purchase agreement prevented it.  Short Sellers banks take months to respond to offers, and this bottlenecks many ready and willing buyers.  The next few quarters will remain relatively strong in terms of housing sales..bank on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I feel that contrary to your statement that the tax credit robbed sales from future quarters, the tax credit boosted 1st time buyer&#8217;s consumer confidence and made buyer&#8217;s out of families pre-disposed to continue renting. </p>
<p>A month ago, on this blog, I floated the idea of extending the tax credit and expanding it to move-up buyers.  I got zero positve feedback other than numerous anti-subsidy insults hurled in my directon. </p>
<p>Finally, there are lots and lots of buyers who wanted to buy homes this Fall but the logistics of getting a signed purchase agreement prevented it.  Short Sellers banks take months to respond to offers, and this bottlenecks many ready and willing buyers.  The next few quarters will remain relatively strong in terms of housing sales..bank on it.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/19/housing-starts-unexpectedly-tumble/comment-page-1/#comment-2966419</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last winter HotAir was confidently predicting 2010 would bring a much better economy.  When reality hits will that be &lt;em&gt;unexpected&lt;/em&gt; as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last winter HotAir was confidently predicting 2010 would bring a much better economy.  When reality hits will that be <em>unexpected</em> as well?</p>
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		<title>By: unclesmrgol</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/19/housing-starts-unexpectedly-tumble/comment-page-1/#comment-2966415</link>
		<dc:creator>unclesmrgol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The job I found was crushing new ground limousines so that they could be shipped back to Pittsburgh as scrap. Cadillacs, Chryslers, Eisenhowers, Lincolns—all sort of great big, new powerful turbobuggies without a kilometer on their clocks. Drive ‘em between the jaws, then crunch! smash! crash!—scrap iron for blast furnaces.

It hurt me at first since I was riding the ways to work and didn’t own so much as a Grav-Jumper. I expressed my opinion of it almost lost my job . . . until the shift boss remembered I was a Sleeper and really didn’t understand.

“It’s a simple matter of economics, son. These are surplus cars the government has accepted as security against price-support loans. They’re two years old now and can never be sold . . . so the government junks them and sells them back to the steel industry.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


From Robert Heinlein&#039;s &quot;The Door into Summer&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The job I found was crushing new ground limousines so that they could be shipped back to Pittsburgh as scrap. Cadillacs, Chryslers, Eisenhowers, Lincolns—all sort of great big, new powerful turbobuggies without a kilometer on their clocks. Drive ‘em between the jaws, then crunch! smash! crash!—scrap iron for blast furnaces.</p>
<p>It hurt me at first since I was riding the ways to work and didn’t own so much as a Grav-Jumper. I expressed my opinion of it almost lost my job . . . until the shift boss remembered I was a Sleeper and really didn’t understand.</p>
<p>“It’s a simple matter of economics, son. These are surplus cars the government has accepted as security against price-support loans. They’re two years old now and can never be sold . . . so the government junks them and sells them back to the steel industry.</p></blockquote>
<p>From Robert Heinlein&#8217;s &#8220;The Door into Summer&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: petunia</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/19/housing-starts-unexpectedly-tumble/comment-page-1/#comment-2966406</link>
		<dc:creator>petunia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;BadgerHawk on November 19, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Mt professors were all Keynesian (save one)… but when I was able to question specific “assumptions” they were making in class, they would often concede the point. No genius on my part… the laws of the market work… unless you have an agenda.

mankai on November 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I miss Milton Friedman.  Reagan listened to him... things got fixed instead of holes dug deeper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>BadgerHawk on November 19, 2009 at 10:54 AM<br />
Mt professors were all Keynesian (save one)… but when I was able to question specific “assumptions” they were making in class, they would often concede the point. No genius on my part… the laws of the market work… unless you have an agenda.</p>
<p>mankai on November 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>I miss Milton Friedman.  Reagan listened to him&#8230; things got fixed instead of holes dug deeper.</p>
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		<title>By: jukin</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/19/housing-starts-unexpectedly-tumble/comment-page-1/#comment-2966358</link>
		<dc:creator>jukin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember when the &lt;em&gt;experts&lt;/em&gt; got their predictions correct?

Amateurs surprised by.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember when the <em>experts</em> got their predictions correct?</p>
<p>Amateurs surprised by&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mankai</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/19/housing-starts-unexpectedly-tumble/comment-page-1/#comment-2966333</link>
		<dc:creator>mankai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
In other news, “lagging indicator” unemployment continues to get laggier.

eeyore on November 19, 2009 at 11:02 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Indicators&quot; ... plural.

Housing starts, employment figures, auto sales, inflation, consumer confidence, investment rates, gold prices... are all &quot;lagging&quot;... we know that since the recession was declared OVER back in June.</description>
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In other news, “lagging indicator” unemployment continues to get laggier.</p>
<p>eeyore on November 19, 2009 at 11:02 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Indicators&#8221; &#8230; plural.</p>
<p>Housing starts, employment figures, auto sales, inflation, consumer confidence, investment rates, gold prices&#8230; are all &#8220;lagging&#8221;&#8230; we know that since the recession was declared OVER back in June.</p>
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		<title>By: hawksruleva</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/19/housing-starts-unexpectedly-tumble/comment-page-1/#comment-2966331</link>
		<dc:creator>hawksruleva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re moving the bubble to a different place, and desperately trying to reinflate it.</description>
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		<title>By: mankai</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/19/housing-starts-unexpectedly-tumble/comment-page-1/#comment-2966316</link>
		<dc:creator>mankai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;BadgerHawk on November 19, 2009 at 10:54 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Mt professors were all Keynesian (save one)... but when I was able to question specific &quot;assumptions&quot; they were making in class, they would often concede the point. No genius on my part... the laws of the market work... unless you have an agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>BadgerHawk on November 19, 2009 at 10:54 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>Mt professors were all Keynesian (save one)&#8230; but when I was able to question specific &#8220;assumptions&#8221; they were making in class, they would often concede the point. No genius on my part&#8230; the laws of the market work&#8230; unless you have an agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: eeyore</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/19/housing-starts-unexpectedly-tumble/comment-page-1/#comment-2966303</link>
		<dc:creator>eeyore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other news, &quot;lagging indicator&quot; unemployment continues to get laggier.</description>
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