Housing starts “unexpectedly” tumble
posted at 9:30 am on November 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
There’s that word again — unexpectedly. The Washington Post reports on an economic indicator that went negative at the conclusion of a big government subsidy, something that a first-year econ student could have foreseen. But as always, because of the so-called “recovery,”, it’s “unexpected”:
New home construction took an unexpected tumble last month, reflecting the bumpy nature of a tentative housing recovery.
Housing starts fell 10.6 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 529,000 in October, according to Commerce Department data. Analysts were expecting an increase. Housing starts were down 30.7 percent compared with the same period a year ago.
The decline probably reflects that nervous builders scaled back amid uncertainty about whether the first-time home-buyer tax credit that had buoyed sales most of the year would expire as scheduled this month, analysts said. Earlier this month, Congress extended the $8,000 tax credit and expanded it to some repeat buyers.
The problem is as easy to diagnose as the poor sales figures after Cash for Clunkers and is essentially the same issue. The tax subsidy for new home purchases pushed taxpayers into buying homes now rather than over the next few months or year. That artificially inflated demand while stealing sales from subsequent quarters, as well as encouraging only those who could afford the houses in the first place into the market. Once the subsidy disappeared, so did the increased demand.
In fact, the effort did succeed in raising one economic indicator — inflation. And so did Cash for Clunkers:
Excluding energy and food prices, core inflation rose 0.2 percent. That was also more than analysts had expected.
The figures were also affected by a rise in used and new automobile prices. After the expiration of the government’s Cash for Clunkers program this year, there was little inventory of 2009 vehicles left, leading to a faster changeover to the 2010 model year, Brian Bethune, a financial economist for IHS Global Insight, said in a research note. The government program also “led to the forced junking of nearly 700,000 used vehicles, and a dearth of used vehicles available for sale in the fall,” he said.
The inflation in the used-car market was also an entirely foreseeable consequence of the destruction of assets by the government. Instead of real growth, we have inflation.
Congress has passed an extension of the subsidy for new housing purchases. Will that bring actual prosperity? Not really, although it’s not nearly as bad an intervention as the supercharged CRA and the Fannie/Freddie mandate to buy subprime loans were in 1998-2007. But without an actual recovery — which this makes clear we have not yet seen — it will be nearly meaningless. If the housing industry can’t generate sales without government subsidies, then we haven’t had real economic growth at all.










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THIS HAS NOT BEEN FACT CHECKED OR ENDORSED BY JOE BIDEN!
Cybergeezer on November 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM
No banks financing mortgages…
maverick muse on November 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM
Who saw this comin?
Akzed on November 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM
The ap gonna assign eleven fact checkers to this story as soon as their finished with sarah palins book.
SHARPTOOTH on November 19, 2009 at 9:37 AM
Feh.
For those prols sitting in the gutter, that myth went south a long way back.
CPT. Charles on November 19, 2009 at 9:37 AM
I’m not a journalist and the only time I visited a newspaper office was on a tour in kindergarten, but is it possible that this word is automatically generated by a computer program? Perhaps a computer program inserts the word if other words like “economy” are used.
myrenovations on November 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM
Obama fixed the economy.
elduende on November 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM
White house starts unexpectedly to spin..
the_nile on November 19, 2009 at 9:40 AM
O’bama fixed Bush’s Depression
The adults are in charge now, cons.
Get used to it.
Love, getalife
Del Dolemonte on November 19, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Nurse! Wake me up! I can’t wake up!
Nosferightu on November 19, 2009 at 9:41 AM
We shouldn’t really want more homes to be built anyway right now cuz there’s enough out there already that can’t sell. Creating more empty houses just suppresses the value of those.
gsherin on November 19, 2009 at 9:41 AM
This was the recovery; America got a new credit card, maxed it out to pay the current bills, bought (ya know) some stuff, and now we’re right back where we were to start with.
“Honey, we need to talk. Maybe we could, oh I don’t know, spend less money.”
Solution: cut taxes, freeze spending level.
Mojave Mark on November 19, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Shocka!
Mord on November 19, 2009 at 9:41 AM
But, but, but, Bleeds Blue told us the economy was recovering.
rbj on November 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM
It’s only unexpected when demorats are in control. If the GOP were holding the White House and Congress this would be ironclad evidence of their indifference, economic ineptitude, and black-hearted personalities.
Bishop on November 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM
That’s a fact. My girlfriend has A+ credit and a good job and is still having trouble refinancing her home due to the mortgage companies’ reluctance to make loans.
txsurveyor on November 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM
With Bush it was always “unexpectedly” good (until the Frank/Dodd/ACORN crash), with Obama it is always “unexpectedly” bad.
Christian Conservative on November 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM
Man, more of this “unexpected” sh!t.
I wanna job as a “market forecaster”…………sounds like they can go around with their thumbs up their rears and make darn good money doing it.
JoeinTX on November 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM
You ain’t seen nothing yet. I was talking to a commercial real estate agent last night who was sort of interested in a chunk of property we have. He told us to standby for some really poopy numbers. Seems all those rising sales of existing homes has been riding solely on bank repossessions. I was unaware of this, but every time a bank forecloses on a property that has to be reported as a “sale” to the Fed. Pre-existing sales are about to take a huge dump as banks are slowing down the repo process because of bloated inventories he said.
Johnnyreb on November 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM
The housing starts of the same period a year ago were down a similar amount from the previous year.
thomasaur on November 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM
“If the housing industry can’t generate sales without government subsidies, then we haven’t had real economic growth at all.” -Ed
“Real” doesn’t matter in politics, Ed. You know that. Only perception and appearances matter. As long as Obamao can manipulate those with the willing assistance of his “lamestream” media, he’s golden.
SKYFOX on November 19, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Ah gee . . . what about the recovery?
rplat on November 19, 2009 at 9:47 AM
This is not a tumble. It’s a pre-recovery.
LibTired on November 19, 2009 at 9:48 AM
He can’t do that anymore – no one is listening to the Lame Stream Media. They’ve lost all cred.
By the way – did you hear Sarah Palin call them the “Lame Stream Media” on Hannity last night?
LOL!
HondaV65 on November 19, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Someone needs to tell Washington Post they need to adjust the numbers to account for all of their dearly beloved Charlie Rangel’s unreported properties flooding the market.
Chris Dodd apparently said: “What’s the problem? A phone call to Countrywide quickly solves any real estate problems for me.”
viking01 on November 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM
Bloomberg:
Everyone was this rosy when Bush was in charge, if I recall.
BadgerHawk on November 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM
Yes, if there’s one word I’m starting to get tired of seeing, it’s “unexpectedly.” I think we have a right to expect that the people in charge have a handle on the situation. Oh, wait, this is the Obama administration we’re talking about, right? Never mind then…
Aitch748 on November 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM
The Great Karnak’s answer: The one time the use of the word “unexpected” would be appropriate.
The question: What would be your reaction to criticism of Obama from Bleeds Blue?
WashJeff on November 19, 2009 at 9:50 AM
Ghost towns are a’ comin’ to a neighborhood near you. Even my little chunk of heaven out here is seeing a rise in vacant homes and all the attendant blight such things entail. One house got broken into a few weeks back and the thieves removed plumbing fixtures and some wiring as well as the garage door opener; there weren’t enough neighbors nearby to notice anything strange.
Guns exist for many reasons, this is one of them. Too many vehicles cruising my local streets that I have never seen before.
Bishop on November 19, 2009 at 9:51 AM
NYT – Sarah Palin’s new book requires 11 fact checkers and immediate judgement without even fully reading said book.
NYT – ANYTHING Obama or Biden tells you is the gospel truth. ANYTHING the government does or tells you is in your best interest. EVERYTHING they do and tell you must be trusted completely without any doubt. Your government would never try to mislead you. Evah!
Griz on November 19, 2009 at 9:51 AM
Once we hit rock bottom, we’ll have nowhere left to go but UP UP UP !!!!!11!!1!
BadgerHawk on November 19, 2009 at 9:52 AM
If you pretend there is actually a recovery going on, then all new negative numbers are “unexpected.”
It’s a nice little game they’ve got going, isn’t it.
Missy on November 19, 2009 at 9:53 AM
AP news is going to asign 11 reporters to fact check the issue….any day now….
unseen on November 19, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Banks are failing at a record rate.
maverick muse on November 19, 2009 at 9:53 AM
How many reporters will AP assign to fact check this report?
MarkTheGreat on November 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Barney Frank will blame the Republicans in 5..4…3…2..1..
Dire Straits on November 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Hussein Boasts Lifestyle Down-Scaling Opportunity !!!!
News at ten.
viking01 on November 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Ghost towns are a’ comin’ to a neighborhood near you.
One house got broken into a few weeks back and the thieves removed plumbing fixtures and some wiring as well as the garage door opener;
Bishop on November 19, 2009 at 9:51 AM
WashJeff on November 19, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Yes, a mere 505,000 people joined the ranks of the jobless last week. A sure sign of recovery!
Gosh, Osama Obama has done such a wonderful job on the economy, just as he has dazzled on the international stage, blessed us with health care, and made us strong and safe once again!
What miracles can he not perform?
MrScribbler on November 19, 2009 at 9:57 AM
When the dems are in control of congress, that tends to happen.
Johan Klaus on November 19, 2009 at 9:57 AM
You know what else is AWESOME?
Those who took advantage of the first-time homebuyers credit little more than a year ago (my wife and I included) were required to pay it back over 15 years – essentially, it was a no-interest loan. Fine. I can live with that.
But now, under Captain Hopenchange? First time homebuyers get the same credit and POOF – don’t have to pay it back.
So I’m stuck paying it back through my taxes for the next 15 years (only fair, as it’s public money that was essentially borrowed), but others buying homes in 2009 or likely 2010 (taking the same borrowed money) don’t have to worry about paying it back (for no other reason except this wise, all-knowing, all-fairness-distributing, all-caring, all-seeing government said so).
The Obama Administration – picking winners and losers since 2009.
Good Lt on November 19, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Good Point. Every time I see a “For Rent” sign in the neighborhood I just cringe.
Dire Straits on November 19, 2009 at 9:58 AM
He can turn beer into better race relations!
HOSANNA ON HIGH!
Good Lt on November 19, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Once you hit rock bottom, start watching out for sinkholes.
MarkTheGreat on November 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM
An inevitable, entirely predictable, outcome of tax-and-spend (or borrow and piss money down a rathole, to phrase it more accurately).
mr.blacksheep on November 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM
I’ve witnessed these cycles since 1977 and this is by far the worse.
thomasaur on November 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM
You guys would not believe how hard it is to MAKE a mortgage nowadays, much less get one. There are so many confusing and costly new rules it is ridiculous. The only place you can get mortgage insurance now unless the borrower has an 800 credit score is the FHA. The only place you can sell a mortgage now is to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which are now fully owned by you, the taxpayer.
We have a fully socialized mortgage banking system in America now, and IT IS NOT WORKING. Why is anyone surprised???
rockmom on November 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM
So inflation is rising, without any acceleration of the economy.
If not for Jimmy Carter, I’d think that stagflation was impossible.
Spc Steve on November 19, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Ugh, don’t remind me. We just built a new high school without a pool, even though our city has had a championship school swim team for 12 years, something we are known for; stupid. No pool but we got the opportunity to cough up a subsidy tax to cover the one million dollar cost of a drainage pond because the school was built on a swamp. Stupid.
Bishop on November 19, 2009 at 10:05 AM
In other news, since the Democrats have returned to power corruption and incompetence have “unexpectedly” increased dramatically.
search4truth on November 19, 2009 at 10:06 AM
The housing market is such a mess that there is nothing unexpected and good news is a lie.
Vacant homes are a dirty little secret and a looming disaster.
The banks are thoroughly at fault but they don’t care they are trying to keep from failing.
The only interesting thing about it, is whether or not the WH can keep the smoke and mirrors thing going.
ORconservative on November 19, 2009 at 10:06 AM
And the positive trend will likely continue in the weeks to come ….
505,000
501,000
497,000
494,000
488,000
480,000
475,000
471,000
467,000
Whoopee, Happy Days are here again!
fogw on November 19, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Maybe the AP can send a fleet of reporters to start digging up dirt on this Administration’s statistical chicanery and failed economic initiative.
Nah. Sarah Palin’s book has MUCH WIDER IMPLICATIONS for the average American. What, with it’s opinions and such, coupled with her audacity to exist. Obamacrat legislation and policy affects nobody, and when it does, it’s only positive and beneficial.
Priorities, after all.
Good Lt on November 19, 2009 at 10:07 AM
TIME magazine said that this kind of economic hardship is actually a good thing.
Bertram Scudder agrees. Privation is the only path to true social enlightenment.
The Obamacrats are engaged in a feverish attempt to do one thing, and that’s to define prosperity down so that people don’t expect their standard of living to be what it was before he assumed power.
Good Lt on November 19, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Whoever these “experts” are should be fired and new “experts” should be found. They’re always surprised by reality!
morons..
Zippy_Slug on November 19, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Baby Jesus can’t turn water into wine? Say it isn’t so!
nyx on November 19, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Wait until the “Defaults for Deadbeats” program (Part II of C4C) kicks in in the Spring.
mankai on November 19, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Bleeds Brains is “unexpectedly” silent on this thread.
PackerBronco on November 19, 2009 at 10:16 AM
I prefer the name “f**k the responsible” program.
WashJeff on November 19, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Yah isn’t that great, redefining expectations so that the younger generations will expect to have less than what their parents and grandparents had. I dream of my kids having great careers and prosperous lives, though I’m now working hard simply to create a financial cushion for them to they have at least a small shield against the predations of our current government.
Bishop on November 19, 2009 at 10:19 AM
unexpected??
By who???
Anyone with 2 functioning brain cells could see this coming.
sonofdy on November 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM
What govt program is that?
nyx on November 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM
Its your PATRIOTIC DUTY to suffer, oh yeah and pay taxes. Now I am off to my third home in my hummer to visit my mistress and her girlfriend..
Signed DNC congresscritter
sonofdy on November 19, 2009 at 10:23 AM
yes this news came out yestrday. In a weird non jobs way it is actually good for the inventory issue
TODAYS news on housing is the NEW RECORD FORECLOSURES
Yes another record! and Prime loans passed subprime
with defaults and foreclosures combined a full 15% of ALL LOANS with mortgages are now in trouble
ginaswo on November 19, 2009 at 10:24 AM
My daughter is buying up early next year. They have an offer on a short sale right now. That’s not a housing start but it is movement. Apparently the first home buyer credit is making their starter house hold it’s value.
But they haven’t seen equity drops in that part of WA like we in Phoenix have.
I think there is bad bad news out there still to come.
Here’s why:
Bankruptcy. A lot of folks have probably put off the foreclosure of their house with bankruptcy. And I think that is good for about five years… anytime during that time they can decide if it is worth it to own an over valued house when they get out of bankruptcy.
I don’t know what the likelihood of getting another loan for them is but I just think some of the foreclosures are still ahead. And a long time in the future. This could go on for a long long time.
Also I wonder if the interests rates still go up if you are in bankruptcy. If they don’t many people might abandon their houses five or six years from now.
petunia on November 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM
mankai
you mean D4Lease? lol hey at least FAN FRED get a revenue stream with those, right now they are sitting on the REO inventory numbers
also Meredith Whiteny ‘heard’ that only 1%, yes 1% of the HAMP mods are making it through the trial period
AND the Fed MBA purchases end in March
Tsunami coming
ginaswo on November 19, 2009 at 10:26 AM
petunia
you are correct, see here for loads of info which backs up your conclusion :)
ginaswo on November 19, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Timmeh Geithner getting loud on CNBC to COngress now trying to defend himself against the payouts he did via AIG
FTR the head of AIG was negotiating 40% on those CDS then Timmeh came in and took over as head of NY Fed and paid par (100%)
both Rob Simmons,l Dodds GOP challenger AND the Congressional Progressive Caucus led by that loon DeFaio from OR are calling for Timmeh;s head on a platter
just wait til the double dip THEN heads will roooolllllll
ginaswo on November 19, 2009 at 10:29 AM
.to clarify Timmeh, when he was already head of NY Fed, took over the AIG CDS payout negotiations
ginaswo on November 19, 2009 at 10:29 AM
“Unexpectedly.” They keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
/Ieigo off
GunRunner on November 19, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Is C4C cash for clunkers? Or something else?
petunia on November 19, 2009 at 10:31 AM
The next thing Ed is going to tell me is that when government subsidizes higher education it actually increases the cost of higher education!
gwelf on November 19, 2009 at 10:33 AM
How long until it is proposed that we simply have subsidies for everything, forever, and then we’ll have a booming economy, forever?
GaltBlvnAtty on November 19, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Hey what is up with Ace of Spades? Did Ace blow the tip jar money on Valu-rite and forget to pay the broad band bill?
RobD on November 19, 2009 at 10:42 AM
This was only “unexpected” to the crowd that gets their news from Katie Couric and the Huffington Post.
Still waiting for one of these so called “journalist” to stand up and ask Obama why he keeps lying to the American people everytime he says “the stimulus is working” and “we have created over 1 million jobs”.
Both of these have been so thoroughly debunked that it boarders on insane to still make these idiotic claims.
“Hope and Change” baby…”Hope and Change”!!!
Baxter Greene on November 19, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Try again, I got on just fine.
First post is about Lindsey Graham busting Holders butt on his KSM political circus he is starting up.
Baxter Greene on November 19, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Those par payments were ridiculous.
BadgerHawk on November 19, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Yup.
This might shock you, but the laws of economics kicked in exactly as they have since time began. Who knew that borrowing $4,000,000,000 from the Chinese so people who were going to buy cars anyway and people who have no business buying new cars creating a bubble in the auto market… combined with destroying 700,000 perfectly good used cars (all needing parts)… would adversely affect the markets (new, used, parts) as soon as the program ended… exactly as any ECON 101 student could have mapped out?
mankai on November 19, 2009 at 10:49 AM
heh!!
BigWyo on November 19, 2009 at 10:53 AM
You’d be amazed at how many econ classes (at least the ones I took) pushed Keynes pretty heavily.
BadgerHawk on November 19, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Stand aside, tea baggers! Economic geniuses at work.
james23 on November 19, 2009 at 10:55 AM
In other news, “lagging indicator” unemployment continues to get laggier.
eeyore on November 19, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Mt professors were all Keynesian (save one)… but when I was able to question specific “assumptions” they were making in class, they would often concede the point. No genius on my part… the laws of the market work… unless you have an agenda.
mankai on November 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM
We’re moving the bubble to a different place, and desperately trying to reinflate it.
hawksruleva on November 19, 2009 at 11:10 AM
“Indicators” … plural.
Housing starts, employment figures, auto sales, inflation, consumer confidence, investment rates, gold prices… are all “lagging”… we know that since the recession was declared OVER back in June.
mankai on November 19, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Remember when the experts got their predictions correct?
Amateurs surprised by………
jukin on November 19, 2009 at 11:16 AM
I miss Milton Friedman. Reagan listened to him… things got fixed instead of holes dug deeper.
petunia on November 19, 2009 at 11:29 AM
From Robert Heinlein’s “The Door into Summer”
unclesmrgol on November 19, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Last winter HotAir was confidently predicting 2010 would bring a much better economy. When reality hits will that be unexpected as well?
burt on November 19, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Ed, I feel that contrary to your statement that the tax credit robbed sales from future quarters, the tax credit boosted 1st time buyer’s consumer confidence and made buyer’s out of families pre-disposed to continue renting.
A month ago, on this blog, I floated the idea of extending the tax credit and expanding it to move-up buyers. I got zero positve feedback other than numerous anti-subsidy insults hurled in my directon.
Finally, there are lots and lots of buyers who wanted to buy homes this Fall but the logistics of getting a signed purchase agreement prevented it. Short Sellers banks take months to respond to offers, and this bottlenecks many ready and willing buyers. The next few quarters will remain relatively strong in terms of housing sales..bank on it.
DrW on November 19, 2009 at 11:37 AM
TANSTAAFL bump!!
PackerBronco on November 19, 2009 at 11:43 AM
***
We had the super smart CASH FOR CLUNKERS program destroy more than 700,000 usable cars. This resulted in more new car sale opportunities and employed more car salesmen and auto factory workers. The only (slight!!) downside was that the American Taxpayers (aka victims) got sc***ed financially.
***
Why not start an equivalent program for houses? We already have part of the plan in place with the first time buyer $8000 gift. Just complete the program and employ more builders, carpenters, plumbers, mortgage loan employees, firemen, etc. Remove the unsold and unneeded houses from existence–I suggest we name the program CASH FOR ARSONISTS!!!
***
Just like the big POTLATCH events the Northwestern American Indians used to hold to impress other tribes long ago.
***
John Bibb
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rocketman on November 19, 2009 at 11:46 AM
I want to know WHO thinks it was “unexpected” and WHY. Is it the reporter who is going on all that hopey-changey stuff? Is it the editor? Or is it the idiot “experts” they are talking to?
Remember that Eastasia/Eurasia quote from 1984 we’re always using? Well, here’s a better one:
Today’s issue contained a statement of the actual output, from which it appeared that the forecasts were in every instance grossly wrong. Winston’s job was to rectify the original figures by making them agree with the later ones. As for the third message, it referred to a very simple error which could be set right in a couple of minutes. As short a time ago as February, the Ministry of Plenty had issued a promise (a ‘categorical pledge’ were the official words) that there would be no reduction of the chocolate ration during 1984. Actually, as Winston was aware, the chocolate ration was to be reduced from thirty grammes to twenty at the end of the present week. All that was needed was to substitute for the original promise a warning that it would probably be necessary to reduce the ration at some time in April…
But actually, he thought as he re-adjusted the Ministry of Plenty’s figures, it was not even forgery. It was merely the substitution of one piece of nonsense for another. Most of the material that you were dealing with had no connexion with anything in the real world, not even the kind of connexion that is contained in a direct lie. Statistics were just as much a fantasy in their original version as in their rectified version. A great deal of the time you were expected to make them up out of your head. For example, the Ministry of Plenty’s forecast had estimated the output of boots for the quarter at one-hundred-and-forty-five million pairs. The actual output was given as sixty-two millions. Winston, however, in rewriting the forecast, marked the figure down to fifty-seven millions, so as to allow for the usual claim that the quota had been overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than one-hundred-and-forty-five millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot. And so it was with every class of recorded fact, great or small. Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally, even the date of the year had become uncertain.
We’re living in 1984!
UnderstandingisPower on November 19, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Jesus healed.
This so called messiah is better described as a destroyer.
capejasmine on November 19, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Home foreclosures reaches records for the last THREE months. Retail sales “unexpectedly” dropped (cratered) for the last three months.
More people are “unexpectedly” unemployed OVER THE LAST 10 MONTHS.
And “unexpectedly” Bozo announced that his “job summit” isn’t actually about fixing unemployment. (Rush spoke about this yesterday)
Joe Biden is still saying porkulus is working BETTER than “expected”
But the dems are pushing a jobs bill they hope to vote on in December. Thats sorta “unexpected” since that was what they claimed porkulus was for.
dogsoldier on November 19, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Shockingly accurate.
You are assuming that people are able to handle the additional debt load. Programs that encourage activity that would not normally be encouraged by natural economic forces will always cause a bubble effect. And when any borrow-spend program ends, the artificial incentives go, the debt remains (robbing the economy of investment assets) and the market makes a correction. You end up with no measurable gain, increased debt and abnormal decisions that will result in some degree of reality backlash.
mankai on November 19, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Wait til those Alt-A loans start resetting next year and in 2011. We haven’t even scratched the surface of this disaster yet. But hey, let’s give everyone an $8000 tax credit to buy a house they can’t afford and finance it with FHA money at 100%. That should solve the problem.
/s
NoLeftTurn on November 19, 2009 at 12:55 PM
We have a home near us that had a foreclose date in July. It is now November and the home is still not foreclosed. It has been vacant for 18 months and although there has been at least 4 buyers interested since it has been vacant, there it sits in limbo.
I doubt this is the only house in the country like this.
Obviously it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the housing market can not recover while there is a whole category of houses in limbo. Maybe Obama’s unicorns live in the limbo houses.
ORconservative on November 19, 2009 at 1:32 PM
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