CBO: Pelosi plan increases deficits $89 billion in first ten years

posted at 2:16 pm on November 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Whoops!  The Congressional Budget Office has contradicted Democratic claims that the new ObamaCare bill will reduce the deficit, even in the first ten years of the program.  A letter to Rep. Paul Ryan explodes the deficit myth and categorically states that Democratic policies will add to the national debt, and do so almost immediately as well as in the foreseeable future.   The CBO considered the “doctor fix” that has already passed the House and is backed by the White House as part of their calculations (emphases mine):

The Budgetary Impact of Enacting Both H.R. 3961 and H.R. 3962

Under current law, including the new rule, Medicare’s payment rates for physicians’ services will be reduced by about 21 percent in January 2010, and CBO estimates those payment rates will be reduced by about 2 percent annually for several subsequent years.  H.R. 3961 would increase those payment rates by 1.2 percent in 2010 and restructure the SGR beginning in 2011. Those changes would result in significantly higher payment rates for physicians than those that would result under current law. CBO estimates that enacting H.R. 3961, by itself, would cost $210 billion over the 2010–2019 period.

H.R. 3962, the Affordable Health Care for America Act, would establish a mandate for most legal residents of the United States to obtain health insurance, set up insurance “exchanges” through which certain individuals could receive federal subsidies toward the purchase of such insurance, and make numerous other changes in the health insurance system, in federal health care programs, and in the federal tax code. CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation estimate that enacting H.R. 3962, by itself, would reduce federal budget deficits by $109 billion over the 2010–2019 period through its effects on direct spending and revenues.

CBO estimates that enacting both H.R. 3961 and H.R. 3962 would add $89 billion to budget deficits over the 2010–2019 period. That amount is about $12 billion less than the sum of the effects of enacting the bills separately. The $12 billion difference results from two types of interactions. The higher payment rates for physicians’ services under H.R. 3961 would increase the net cost of provisions in H.R. 3962 by about $3 billion.  However, that difference would be more than offset by the effect of a change under H.R. 3962 in how payment rates for Medicare Advantage plans are set. That change would reduce the effect of the changes made by H.R. 3961 to Medicare’s payments for physicians’ services in the fee-for-service sector on payment rates for Medicare Advantage plans. As a result, the estimated increase in payments to Medicare Advantage plans would be $15 billion smaller if both bills were enacted than under H.R. 3961 alone.

This shows the dishonesty of both Reid and Nancy Pelosi in attempting to hide the doctor fix from the CBO in the first place.  Pelosi got away with it only because she snuck the Doc Fix in the rules debate rather than the bill itself.  Reid attempted to do the same thing earlier but couldn’t get 60 votes for cloture on the attempt.  As a result, the CBO scored both components separately and together — and it adds up to even more red ink, not deficit reduction.

And it gets worse in the second ten years, as the CBO explains:

The agency estimates that the two bills together would cost about $32 billion more in 2019 than H.R. 3962 alone and that the combination of the two bills would increase the budget deficit in 2019 by $23 billion relative to current law. Those increments would grow during the following decade. As stated in its October 29, 2009, letter to Congressman Charles B. Rangel, “CBO expects that [H.R. 3962] would slightly reduce federal budget deficits in that decade relative to those projected under current law—with a total effect during that decade that is in a broad range between zero and one-quarter percent of GDP [gross domestic product].” If both H.R. 3961 and H.R. 3962 were enacted, CBO expects that federal budget deficits during the decade following the 10-year budget window would increase relative to those projected under current law— with a total effect during that decade that is in a broad range between zero and one-quarter percent of GDP.

If GDP is around $12 trillion, then the CBO estimates a deficit as high as $30 billion a year on average, or $300 billion, in the second decade.

Update: I should have used “contradicted” rather than “repudiated” in the first sentence.  Also, when will we start seeing the media report on the deficit increases under ObamaCare?  The national media seemed pretty quick to accept Reid’s claim that it would not raise the deficit.  Will they scold Reid for misleading them?

Update: Steve Eggleston points out that the plan the CBO scored was Pelosi’s, not Reid’s, as I originally wrote. I’ve changed the title and the beginning of the post to reflect that.


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Whoops apocalypse!

pseudonominus on November 19, 2009 at 2:17 PM

It’s worse.

Over this same 10-year span, the 2,074-page bill would hike taxes and fines on Americans by $892 billion — more than the alleged price of the bill.

lorien1973 on November 19, 2009 at 2:17 PM

I don’t see why these estimates mean anything… the bill that gets voted on will probably look nothing like what the CBO sees.

cannonball on November 19, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Since Harry is serving his last term, he probably doesn’t care.

bloggless on November 19, 2009 at 2:19 PM

You Lie!
MSM will forget this part. Add in the Doc fix and we are at $300 bill. Nice!

Dr_Irish on November 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Repudiated?

He claimed they WERE the CBO’s numbers?

Skywise on November 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Relax, people. In Wyoming’s 83rd Congressional District, there will be savings of $6.02 trillion, so it all pretty much averages out.

innominatus on November 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Why does Pelosi even bother opening his casket each morning?

Cody1991 on November 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM

YOU LIE!

crash72 on November 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM

If GDP is around $12 trillion, then the CBO estimates a deficit as high as $30 billion a year on average, or $300 billion, in the second decade.

It’s just $30 Billion.

– Bleeds Blue

WashJeff on November 19, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Since Harry is serving his last term, he probably doesn’t care.

bloggless on November 19, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Unfortunately, you’re probably right. Kamikaze-Harry may be going down, but he’s taking as many of us with him as possible.

volnation on November 19, 2009 at 2:22 PM

cannonball on November 19, 2009 at 2:18 PM

They have yet to produce any government takeover bill that actually reduces the deficit over the long-term structurally, even after half a year of intensive work. The only apparent savings they have been able to create have been through sleight-of-hand (banking revenues prior to implementation, looking away and humming nonchalantly on the out years, making all manner of other unrealistic assumptions about future legislation/cuts).

That’s one takeaway.

No one seems to be pointing out that, if we were really going to raise taxes by ca. $1 T over the next ten years, it should be spent in deficit reduction or, at least, economically productive measures. If we’re spending $1T on HC, that’s $1T more in weight on the national economy that future “revenue enhancements” will have to be piled on top of.

CK MacLeod on November 19, 2009 at 2:23 PM

vote ‘em out!

deidre on November 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM

I don’t see why these estimates mean anything

Right now it means Harry and Nancy are screwed.

But I’m sure those two will come up with new figures. I’ve already emailed them and suggested that they just use one year’s cost estimate and divide it by 10 years. They can then tout this as “do-able”. After the whole thing blows up in their faces, they can claim “It’s all George Bush’s fault!”.

GarandFan on November 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM

These LIARS just don’t “get it” and need to be shown the door in 2010…

ALL OF THEM…

Khun Joe on November 19, 2009 at 2:25 PM

KILL THE F***** BILL
GOOD LORD, Congress has gone insane.

nyx on November 19, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Gee, a brand new massive entitlement will explode the deficit after all…
go figure.

Juno77 on November 19, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Over this same 10-year span, the 2,074-page bill would hike taxes and fines on Americans by $892 billion — more than the alleged price of the bill.

lorien1973 on November 19, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Freedom is expensive – Bleeds Blue

BadgerHawk on November 19, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Is there even going be a United States left in 2020 or is Harry Reid going to usher in with this clusterf*** the Mayan Apocalypse in 2012?

nyx on November 19, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Hey! I know!

Let’s let these morons who can’t even run a website run a sixth of the economy!

What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

Good Lt on November 19, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Freedom is expensive – Bleeds Blue

Freedom is slavery. -Orwell

Good Lt on November 19, 2009 at 2:28 PM

When does the Democrats tyranny exceed what the Revolutionary War was fought against. That point is fast approaching.

tarpon on November 19, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Why does Pelosi even bother opening his casket each morning?

Cody1991 on November 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM

heh

bloggless on November 19, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Right now it means Harry and Nancy are screwed.

GarandFan on November 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM

In more ways than one. I don’t think that most realize how desperate Obama is for Reid and Pelosi to pass anything, and how bad he’ll look if they fail to come through. In simple terms, if Obama loses this, he might as well sign up for “Welcome to Lame Duck” classes b/c that’s where he’s headed. Not that that would cause me any pain, but hey… The main problem that Nan and Harry have is that their bills are “paid” for in two distinct ways, each not able to pass by the other’s chamber.

volnation on November 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM

NRO says first vote to be on this 2000+ page travesty is Saturday.

One hopes Coburn sticks to his promise to refuse unanimous consent to waive the reading of the bill.

Wethal on November 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM

I’m anti abortion, and feel strongly that abortions should NOT be a burden on tax payers who are against them. Having said that though, I can’t believe that these numbers, the expense, the debt, the over all burden it would bring down on us, as a nation isn’t a strong factor in whether, or not it gets a yea vote. Who in Gods name, in their right mind would even consider this as a good thing, for this country?

We want what’s good for us as a nation. These democratic solutions are obviously not good solutions, and as I understand it, will only cover 31 million? Some how the amount of people affected, as opposed to the costs, just don’t make sense.

capejasmine on November 19, 2009 at 2:32 PM

I touch myself
-Bleeds Blue

WOW! That’s brave Bleeds Poo to admit online.

Apologetic California on November 19, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Loose change.

the_nile on November 19, 2009 at 2:35 PM

F’em all.

Love,

A pissed off American

txag92 on November 19, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Why does Pelosi even bother opening his casket each morning?

Cody1991 on November 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM
heh

bloggless on November 19, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Double heh. I wonder who takes Pelosi out of her tomb and unwraps her in the morning.. LOL

Key West Reader on November 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM

oopsie…

cmsinaz on November 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM

When does the Democrats tyranny exceed what the Revolutionary War was fought against. That point is fast approaching.

tarpon on November 19, 2009 at 2:29 PM

The key that started the Revolution, the Stamp Act of 1765 and this provision:

The highest tax, £10, was placed … on attorney licenses.

The British taxed the lawyers. Now if we can get that kind of tax passed, the lawyers may finally say, “Enough!”

WashJeff on November 19, 2009 at 2:38 PM

How can a massive government takeover of 1/6th the U.S. economy NOT result in the government spending more money? That common sense deduction is why Reid’s accounting tricks will fail to convince the public.

His chickanry is probably aimed more at trying to get 60 senators to vote for cloture and open the debate. Obama said “under 900 billion,” so thats the ceiling of what Reid has to offer. The rest is smoke and mirrors to give sceptical Senators cover for their re-election.

Revenant on November 19, 2009 at 2:39 PM

So then the total cost over the first 10 years is the $849 Billion that CBO scored earlier, plus $210 Billion for the doctor fix, less $12 Billion savings = $1.047 Trillion.

Since the taxes would start in 2010, but the payouts would start in 2013, that $1.047 Trillion is for 7 years, or an average of $149.6 Billion per year. Once the program is in full swing, that comes out to $1.496 Trillion on an apples-to-apples 10-year basis.

If there are really 36 million uninsured Americans (including children, excluding illegals), for $149.6 Billion per year, the Government could give each of them $4,155 per year and let them buy their own insurance, and leave everybody else alone. Why doesn’t somebody suggest this, to make everybody realize how absurd this bill is?

Steve Z on November 19, 2009 at 2:41 PM

I mean, really…by now if the plan is submitted by a Democrat, we all can just assume that it will increase the deficit. Just deposit the paper right into the bathrooms for better use. There, I just created some jobs.

search4truth on November 19, 2009 at 2:42 PM

innominatus on November 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM

lols

LibTired on November 19, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Go Coburn!

cmsinaz on November 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM

The fraud in the White House committed to national health care legislation passed by year’s end. At this point, he’ll sign anything they send him and breathe a VERY heavy sigh of relief. Otherwise – combined with his lallygagging on Iran – he’s in for poll numbers that start scraping the bottom of the barrel. He’s going down like Monica Lewinsky on Prom Night!

GoldenEagle4444 on November 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM

The Senate loser just got done crowing abut how HIS plan would lower the deficet.

CBO head fakes, loser Harry falls for it.

SMART POWER!111111111111111!ELEVENTY

jukin on November 19, 2009 at 2:45 PM

When does the Democrats tyranny exceed what the Revolutionary War was fought against. That point is fast approaching.

tarpon on November 19, 2009 at 2:29 PM

The frequent lament I am hearing is that ordinary people feel that their government is waging war against them. It’s said in those exact words.

The first order of Congress should have been to address unemployment. When people are working, taking care of their families and feeling somewhat secure they’re open to discussion for other changes. The situation now is dire, and people are feeling threatened. It’s getting ugly out here.

Our “representatives” ignore us. The broad middle class is told to ‘Shut up and pay. We know what’s best for you.’ They are obtuse and obsessed with massive spending programs they’ve wanted to implement for decades. Pelosi and Reid are all about their agenda and the citizens be damned.

Something is going to give soon, probably after the first of the year. Employment will not improve for the foreseeable future, and people are angry – very angry.

Cody1991 on November 19, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Good lord . . . Harry is such a dipstick.

rplat on November 19, 2009 at 2:48 PM

I’ll bet Harry or any senator in ten years the ink will run RED.

lilium on November 19, 2009 at 2:48 PM

It does not matter, Obama, Pelosi and Reid and their happy band of extremists will pass something no matter how bad.

If the public does not throw the bums out next year, they deserve to be fleeced.

JIMV on November 19, 2009 at 2:50 PM

This is O/T but kinda not:

LOS ANGELES (AP) – Hundreds of protesters chanted, marched and took over a building Thursday on the UCLA campus, where University of California regents were scheduled to vote on a 32 percent student fee increase.

You deserve it, Lib Idiots.

Geochelone on November 19, 2009 at 2:51 PM

It is only a matter of time until the CBO is cleaned out and inserted with yes-men. I am repeatedly shocked that they seem to be honest.

WisCon on November 19, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Congress.

Key West Reader on November 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM

lorien1973 on November 19, 2009 at 2:17 PM

**pretending to be Growfin/bleedsblue/troll**

But, But, But… our messiah says that we NEED this and if we don’t get it we will all DIE! I don’t want to DIE, I want to live forever in a bubble with the Obamessiah and live happily ever after! Come on, let me live my dream of being “One” with him.

upinak on November 19, 2009 at 2:56 PM

F’em all.

Love,

A pissed off American

Ditto.

I might add “and let God sort ‘em out”…..

JoeinTX on November 19, 2009 at 2:57 PM

The Lame Stream Media will not even flinch over Reid’s Flat-Out-Lie. They want him and his ilks to succede at whatever the costs to Americans. They think they will be protected from this New Socilist America.

“Earth-To-Media: As soon as your usefulness is over so will the reign of the their Liberal Medial Friends”

How interesting it will be when they are “Left Behind”

SayNo2-O on November 19, 2009 at 2:57 PM

If there are really 36 million uninsured Americans (including children, excluding illegals), for $149.6 Billion per year, the Government could give each of them $4,155 per year and let them buy their own insurance, and leave everybody else alone. Why doesn’t somebody suggest this, to make everybody realize how absurd this bill is?

Steve Z on November 19, 2009 at 2:41 PM

McCain suggested a $5k stipend or tax credit for HSA’s. But WTF does he know? Barack Obama knows better.
/Sarc

Key West Reader on November 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Wait – I thought Barry was going to DECREASE the deficit – isn’t that what he’s been saying all along?

Hypocrites thy name is Democrat

gophergirl on November 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM

In more ways than one. I don’t think that most realize how desperate Obama is for Reid and Pelosi to pass anything, and how bad he’ll look if they fail to come through. In simple terms, if Obama loses this, he might as well sign up for “Welcome to Lame Duck” classes b/c that’s where he’s headed. Not that that would cause me any pain, but hey… The main problem that Nan and Harry have is that their bills are “paid” for in two distinct ways, each not able to pass by the other’s chamber.

volnation on November 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM

I am starting to wonder about this conventional wisdom. What if it fails, the Rs take back the House and/or Senate and we have to listen to the next few years of the Dems saying, “If only we had passed Healthcare the economy would be better, it is all the Rs fault that we have stagflation etc.”

txmomof6 on November 19, 2009 at 3:01 PM

**pretending to be Growfin/bleedsblue/troll**

But, But, But… our messiah says that we NEED this and if we don’t get it we will all DIE! I don’t want to DIE, I want to live forever in a bubble with the Obamessiah and live happily ever after! Come on, let me live my dream of being “One” with him.

upinak on November 19, 2009 at 2:56 PM

ROFLMAO!!

capejasmine on November 19, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Wait – I thought Barry was going to DECREASE the deficit – isn’t that what he’s been saying all along?

Hypocrites thy name is Democrat

gophergirl on November 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Pssst: The “Word of the Day” is Deficit Neutral Barry liked how that sounded so he’s using it this week.

Key West Reader on November 19, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Wait – I thought Barry was going to DECREASE the deficit – isn’t that what he’s been saying all along?

Hypocrites thy name is Democrat

gophergirl on November 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Wow, you’re so demanding. All I was looking for was fluffy clouds and bunnies. ;)

Cody1991 on November 19, 2009 at 3:04 PM

gophergirl on November 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM

silly girl. He’s going to decrease after he raises it. Duh!

lorien1973 on November 19, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Psalm 109:8 (New King James Version)

“Let his days be few,
And let another take his office.”

Check it out

SayNo2-O on November 19, 2009 at 3:05 PM

The media will probably forget to cover the CBO analysis. They already spoke to the brilliant Harry Reid, after all!

hawksruleva on November 19, 2009 at 3:06 PM

The bill will be in the trillions and everyone in DC knows it. This smoke and mirrors dance of the cranes routine is the standard pathetic charade that the politicians of both parties perform to pretend that they are doing their due diligence.

Sadly the electorate buys it hook line and sinker resulting in a 95% re-election success.

patrick neid on November 19, 2009 at 3:07 PM

I really appreciate all of you 25 year olds that jog, eat right and don’t smoke because those of us that are 50+, overweight, smoking 2 packs a day with heart disease will pay the EXACT SAME THING as you for health care.
/sarc

barnone on November 19, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Don’t look behind the curtain!

BuckeyeSam on November 19, 2009 at 3:09 PM

These folks in Congress cannot see the big picture. The economy is not producing new jobs, so the number of unemployed and uninsured is rising. With the proposed subsidies based on income, the cost of this program can only go up.

I have a suggestion. Do not buy stuff that you can avoid. Make this Xmas season truly horrible for retailers. Help tank the economy. Then the bozos will HAVE to come to terms with the economic situation.

Sure, their initial proposed solutions will suck, as in “hey let’s do Porky II.” But with the spectacular failure of Porky I that will not fly. Then maybe some real solutions can be proposed, particularly since the timeline will then be nearing for the 2010 elections.

GnuBreed on November 19, 2009 at 3:10 PM

It does not matter, Obama, Pelosi and Reid and their happy band of extremists will pass something no matter how bad.

If the public does not throw the bums out next year, they deserve to be fleeced.

JIMV on November 19, 2009 at 2:50 PM

I agree except we’ll get fleeced right along with them.

Yakko77 on November 19, 2009 at 3:14 PM

The media will probably forget to cover the CBO analysis. They already spoke to the brilliant Harry Reid, after all!

hawksruleva on November 19, 2009 at 3:06 PM

That really speaks to the intelligence level of the msm’s, doesn’t it?

capejasmine on November 19, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Psalm 109:8 (New King James Version)

Try Psalm 109:9 – see if you still like 109:8

lorien1973 on November 19, 2009 at 3:26 PM

HAH! This is exactly what I was talking about in the other thread, where Reid was trying to say he’d reduce the deficit. I said over there that a PRELIMINARY CBO estimate (which Reid was touting) should NOT be something to crow about…and wait for the REAL CBO numbers to come out. It feels SO good to be right sometimes. :-D Sorry Mr. Reid, but you’ve been called out by the organization whose numbers you tried to pre-empt. How’s it feel??? :-P

Highlar on November 19, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Some mornings its just not worth gnawing thru the restraints.

I give up. Math is math. How can the numbers be all over the ballpark without people realizing they are being conned, and being really, reaaaly pissed at the attempt to deceive them?

Itchee Dryback on November 19, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Wait a minute. The CBO just yesterday said that the bill would reduce the deficit by $127 billion in 10 years. What gives?

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/18/cbo-senate-obamacare-bill-would-reduce-deficit-by-127-billion-over-10-years/

SoulGlo on November 19, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Forecasting what the weather is going to be on Christmas is far easier than these toolbags forecasting the cost of jack or squat costs for their jack ‘n squat projects. The only consistent projection is that the true cost is going to exceed the projected cost.

Just as job losses or housing start changes are always “unexpected”, these same actual costs are going to be “unexpected.” However, if you ask real Americans will tell you what that shiite costs and that is ‘more than I’m willing to pay for it.’

how ya like them apples there mr. future former senator reid. toolbag

ted c on November 19, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Oh, don’t forget that a $900 billion health care bill is still $900 billion. Of your money. For less healthcare. For lower quality healthcare. For people whom you already provide food, clothing, shelter, education, and spending cash.

Can’t pay your healthcare tax? Go to jail. John Q. NotsupposedtobeherePublic needs his meds…its your responsibility to ensure he gets them.

BobMbx on November 19, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Wait a minute. The CBO just yesterday said that the bill would reduce the deficit by $127 billion in 10 years. What gives?

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/18/cbo-senate-obamacare-bill-would-reduce-deficit-by-127-billion-over-10-years/

SoulGlo on November 19, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Not quite. Harry Reid said the CBO said it cost less. CBO says it costs more.

BobMbx on November 19, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Wait – I thought Barry was going to DECREASE the deficit – isn’t that what he’s been saying all along?

Thats next year. And in case you didn’t catch the sleight of hand, he’s going to cut the deficit in half. After quadrupling it. Simple math shows a net doubling, while he will claim having cut it in half.

Sorta like a mattress sale.

BobMbx on November 19, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Not sure if this has been posted but here it goes,

Hitler Takes On Obamacare

God help me I laughed and agreed with Hitler.

Ah well, at least Obamafest will be fun.

Yakko77 on November 19, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Double heh. I wonder who takes Pelosi out of her tomb and unwraps her in the morning.. LOL

Key West Reader on November 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Boris Karloff – with a mask on so he doesn’t get frightened.

NJ Red on November 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM

While it is great for Reid to again be exposed as a crook and a liar, this CBO junk is Voodoo economics. Every thinking American know what will happen if any of these stinking Obamacare bills is enacted: Actual costs and deficits will skyrocket past the current “worst case” scenarios.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 19, 2009 at 3:54 PM

While it is great for Reid to again be exposed as a crook and a liar, this CBO junk is Voodoo economics. Every thinking American know what will happen if any of these stinking Obamacare bills is enacted: Actual costs and deficits will skyrocket past the current “worst case” scenarios.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 19, 2009 at 3:54 PM

I find myself laughing with a bit of dread when I hear this talk of Obamacare cost a trillion or so over 10 years or whever the pie in teh sky number is. More like a trillion YEARLY when it gets up and running I’m afraid. One only has to look at the numbers for Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc which people have been paying into for decades and they’re several tens of TRILLIONS in debt but somehow we’re to believe this entitlement program will be different.

Either advocates of this plan are delusion to a self destructive scale rivaling that of a Jim Jones follower or they have malicious intent for this nation.

Neither is good considering they’ll take us with them.

Yakko77 on November 19, 2009 at 4:03 PM

On a more positive note, Reid’s plan “only” mentions the word “tax” 183 times.

Other fun words in the plan:

Term Number of uses
“Taxable” 164 times
“Excise tax” 8 times
“Taxes” 17 times
“Fee” 152 times
“Penalty” 115 times
“Require” 166 times
“Must” 45 times
“Shall” 3,607 times

Mark Boabaca on November 19, 2009 at 4:11 PM

On a more positive note, Reid’s plan “only” mentions the word “tax” 183 times.

Other fun words in the plan:

Term Number of uses
“Taxable” 164 times
“Excise tax” 8 times
“Taxes” 17 times
“Fee” 152 times
“Penalty” 115 times
“Require” 166 times
“Must” 45 times
“Shall” 3,607 times

Mark Boabaca on November 19, 2009 at 4:11 PM

We are so screwed.

Yakko77 on November 19, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Neither is good considering they’ll take us with them.

Yakko77 on November 19, 2009 at 4:03 PM

That’s the mission of the suicide bomber. Win by killing the other side by killing yourself.

BobMbx on November 19, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Harry & Dems are about to push the button that causes America’s enconomy to explode. We cannot afford this! Our government can’t afford this, our states can’t afford this, families can’t afford this.

TN Mom on November 19, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Funny, AP just put out a headline that says the positive news the CBO put out today is boosting the vote to move this along out of committee. They must have read something different than we did.

sandee on November 19, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Any representative who votes for this country killer should be immediatly brought up in a class action by the American people for high crimes against the people and the constitution! Then we should all meed in front of the capital and go into the PEOPLES house and pick them up and throw their bum asses out! And please someone fart on Reid on the way since we all stink anyway.

patriotparty1 on November 19, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Any representative who votes for this country killer should be immediately brought up in a class action by the American people for high crimes against the people and the constitution! Then we should all meed in front of the capital and go into the PEOPLES house and pick them up and throw their bum asses out! And please someone fart on Reid on the way since we all stink anyway.

patriotparty1 on November 19, 2009 at 5:06 PM

LMAO

nyx on November 19, 2009 at 5:18 PM

The whole point of “Roe v Wade” was privacy trumped the wishes of the government.
The privacy was based on being apart from the government.
Under a “public option” and under government mandates, the government is making the choices of what kind of medical treatment you are allowed, which runs completely counter to the “Roe v Wade” argument. In effect you have given up your privacy. Under this revised regime, a new administration & Congress could change the benefits allowed and completely and legally wipe out abortion (or kidney transplants, hair plugs, etc.) by a vote of Congress and the President’s signature.

My question is .. based on “Roe v Wade” is a federal or federal-only healthcare unConstitutional based on the destruction of privacy required for choice ?

J_Crater on November 19, 2009 at 5:24 PM

I guess this place really needs a copy editor. My place doesn’t have a Blogspot address.

I’m over at http://norunnyeggs.com

steveegg on November 19, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Ummm… CBO’s projection for 2019 GDP is $21T, so the price then (at .25%) would be $50B annual, or half a trillion for the 2020′s decade.
Granted, this assumes ~3% annual growth, but if that is like the rest of the unicorns, and fails to materialize, unemployment/uninsured will be high enough that $50B will be optomistic…

Empiricist on November 19, 2009 at 5:36 PM

And as I reset my ancient Blogger settings, my web host went down. Figures.

steveegg on November 19, 2009 at 5:39 PM

ABC reporting Landrieu will get 100 million out of the health care bill sent directly to Louisiana.

His vote is paid for.

Skywise on November 19, 2009 at 6:14 PM