Video: The Goracle on geothermal temperatures

posted at 8:48 am on November 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday I featured the science stylings of John Kerry, who apparently can’t do math or research in his quest to sound like Chicken Little on carbon-dioxide emissions. The self-appointed dean of the American global-warming hysteria movement, Al Gore, didn’t do much better when trying to explain geothermal energy to Conan O’Brien. Gore tells Conan that geothermal energy is plentiful, because the Earth’s core temperature is millions of degrees (via John Derbyshire):

Conan: Now, what about … you talk in the book about geothermal energy …

Al: Yeah, yeah.

Conan: and that is, as I understand it, using the heat that’s generated from the core of the earth …

Al: Yeah.

Conan: … to create energy, and it sounds to me like an evil plan by Lex Luthor to defeat Superman. Can you, can you tell me, is this a viable solution, geothermal energy?

Al: It definitely is, and it’s a relatively new one. People think about geothermal energy — when they think about it at all — in terms of the hot water bubbling up in some places, but two kilometers or so down in most places there are these incredibly hot rocks, ’cause the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot …

The interior of the Earth is extremely hot … but as Derb notes, it’s estimated to be between 5000 – 9000 degrees Celsius, not “several million degrees.”  The surface of the Sun is only estimated to be 6000º C, while its core really is several million degrees Celsius.  If the Earth’s core temperature was that hot, we would have had a “global warming” crisis a few billion years ago, and this debate would never have taken place.

Of course, anyone who followed the controversy over Gore’s piece of cinematic fantasy An Inconvenient Truth knows that Gore tells a lot of very convenient untruths in his quest to create a market for his carbon-trading company.  However, this is just flat-out ignorance that with any other person in any other context would destroy their credibility.   This is worse than Tom Cruise telling Matt Lauer that he can debunk the entire psychiatric field because he’s read a few books.  If Gore can’t get this rather basic fact right, why should he be believed on anything else in the energy field?

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So he’s all for drilling for geothermal energy but not for oil. That makes a lot of sense,

74impala on November 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM

My sixth-grader just finished a project where she had to create a model showing the earth’s inner core, outer core, mantle and crust plus corresponding facts… apparently the six grade textbooks are WAY off.

Maybe they thought that 11-year-olds couldn’t handle such a concept as “several million degrees” so they gave them the more manageable figure of 7000 degrees for their little minds to ponder.

But Al Gore is about telling kids the truth!

mankai on November 18, 2009 at 12:27 PM

He’s Manbearpig.

Hening on November 18, 2009 at 12:30 PM

wow…. the goracle at it again.

geothermal energy is at best dependant on the area in which you want to direct from the energy.

It also depends on where in the world you live, where the cracks or fissures are, traps, type of sand or rock and the amount of water you would want.

It isn’t an exact science as many places use geothermal to keep cool, not warm.

and the goracle just wants to take your money. buyer beware.

upinak on November 18, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Conan: Now, what about … you talk in the book about geothermal energy …

Al: Yeah, yeah. I know; I’m totally smart.

Branch Rickey on November 18, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Gore, college flunky drop-out, self proclaimed “President of the Planet”…presumably earth, but actually from uranus to his.

maverick muse on November 18, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Snake Oil Science

CTSherman on November 18, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Geothermal has been being used world wide for decades.

It actualy does use “hot water” AKA steam

sonofdy on November 18, 2009 at 12:49 PM

New Zeland built such a plant in the 70′s BTW. Still running. Nothing new about it mister AL “I invented geothermal” Gore.

sonofdy on November 18, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Je-e-e-e-esssh! Fifty years in the field as a geologist, before retirement, and now I find out I have to go back and learn it all over again. Thanks, Al.

BTW, AL, geothermal applications in the US date back to the NEW times of “In 1892, America’s first district heating system in Boise, Idaho was powered directly by geothermal energy, and was copied in Klamath Falls, Oregon in 1900″.

As clueless as Obama. A Democratic illness…

Yoop on November 18, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Since I teach a college geology course, I am qualified to give Gore an F.
EPIC FAIL you big fat loser!
*SIGH*
Another reason why politics & science will never mix.

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Geez, I feel like I’m in a shit storm; the turds keep flying…

jgdp on November 18, 2009 at 1:07 PM

My father had geothermal for his house and I thought the whole point of geothermal was the fact that at a certain depth, the earth is a constant temperature no matter the season. It’s not like you are taking heat straight from the core of the earth. Good Lord, it sounds like he thinks that for ever person that uses geothermal the core of the earth decreases in temperature.

If that’s the case… he is either stupid or he thinks we are stupid.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 18, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Geothermal energy is really great stuff if you live where there are rising mantle plumes.
If you ain’t near one, you ain’t gonna enjoy a plentiful supply that will generate electricity.
That is why Iceland is a geothermal miner’s paradise-bcs it’s on the Mid-Atlantic ridge, a diverging plate boundary.
I’m not sure about how many mantle plumes are rising through the crust under, like, Kansas.
Dope on a rope, I tell ya.

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Another reason why politics & science will never mix.

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 1:02 PM

He got all confused because he took a course called Political Science. All Poly Sci students figure they know everything that is needed about the planet, and the world in general.

Yoop on November 18, 2009 at 1:12 PM

New Zeland built such a plant in the 70’s BTW. Still running. Nothing new about it mister AL “I invented geothermal” Gore.

sonofdy on November 18, 2009 at 12:51 PM

And that is bcs it is conveniently located near a subduction zone.
Here in ND, not really that close-hence no future plans for a major geothermal plant.
Gore is a scientific moron.
Dr. Rodney McKay would run circles around him.

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM

All Poly Sci students figure they know everything that is needed about the planet, and the world in general.

Yoop on November 18, 2009 at 1:12 PM

I think you’re right.
Kinda like our principle & former history teacher talking about global warming- I walked into the office one day during their conversation.
I have to leave quickly before I burst out laughing.
Mental giants these people are NOT.

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Al Gore is an ass’s ass.

justltl on November 18, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Everyone knows the center of the earth has its own inverted Jurassic Era world full of cave men and dinosaurs and telepathic lizard overlords.

(Maybe Al is one in disguise, just trying to fool us surface dwellers into destroying ourselves?)

profitsbeard on November 18, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Bwahahaha!
And you know they will find a way to stop that project.
Dinosaurs,chicks in fur bikinis, & manly men in fur codpieces are all endangered species.

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 1:27 PM

And that is bcs it is conveniently located near a subduction zone.
Here in ND, not really that close-hence no future plans for a major geothermal plant.

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM

The Mid-Continent Rift System tried, two bil ago, but failed. Sigh.

Hang around for another billion years. Ya might get another shot at it.

Yellowstone. Think Yellowstone. ;-)

Yoop on November 18, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Could we hook up a turbine to this crook’s mouth and make some productive use of all that hot air and gas?

shaken on November 18, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 1:15 PM

LOL you are correct. There is more to is then people realize. The fact of being “below” the frost line doesn’t cut it.

upinak on November 18, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Could we hook up a turbine to this crook’s mouth and make some productive use of all that hot air and gas?

shaken on November 18, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Too much output. Cap-n-Trade would hinder production.

Yoop on November 18, 2009 at 1:36 PM

We need to get comments from El Diablo, because this may cause his inferno to cool prematurely and we sure don’t want a crisis in Hell. I’m sure the Democrat House and Senate would want stimulus money designated for this entity. Can we afford any more stimulus?

Cybergeezer on November 18, 2009 at 1:38 PM

I couldnt watch the clip because I would barf. Can someone please tell me that the audience laughed their butt’s off when he said this? Please?

di butler on November 18, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Yellowstone. Think Yellowstone. ;-)

Yoop on November 18, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Maybe we should send Gore there with a jackhammer.
Tell him to hang out in Norris Basin with it.
Punch a hold into that magma chamber, releasing the heat that is causing the globae to warm!
I should tell this to my kids today-see if they even get how stupid of an idea that is.

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 1:46 PM

The Mid-Continent Rift System tried, two bil ago, but failed. Sigh.

Yoop on November 18, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Wait. I got it.
Let’s restart the failed rift.
We’ll start another project Moho right in the center of it-KS somewhere?
Once we get to the mantle, we’ll induce wandering mantle plumes to roam throughout the crust, thereby creating an unlimited supply of minable plumes!
Oh how genius!
/

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 1:48 PM

You know, this fantastical scientific pondering is great!
No pesky hypotheses to deal with, no facts to consider & certainly no data to analyze!
This is just like all the liberal-type politicized college classes I tried to avoid taking!

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Should Gore be institutionalized in a mental facility or regular jail?

marklmail on November 18, 2009 at 11:46 AM

We are against torture. Remember. They would beg for waterboarding before they would submit to sharing a cell with him.

seven on November 18, 2009 at 1:50 PM

He got all confused because he took a course called Political Science. All Poly Sci students figure they know everything that is needed about the planet, and the world in general.

Yoop on November 18, 2009 at 1:12 PM

I think it is the lawyer thing also. Because the law gets to impact every field of man’s endeavour, the lawyers sometimes develop a confidence and expectation that they get to have a say on what happens in every field, and some expect their views to win the day merely because the law will allow it and they have sublimated the power drive in their psyche. They expect to have the final say.

In other words, they have confidence because as they know the law, they have power and are not automatically going to be laughed out of a conversation. Same thing with pols. And journalists. Because they have power to effect real world results in fields they have no expertise in, they naturally expect to have their views heard and respected when discussing those fields, irrespective of what they actually know.

In this respect, I would compare it to a confidence that a mother gets after a certain time–say when she is in her mid-thirties (before the teenage years). Having successfully tempered the wild passions of little ones, they develop a natural instinct for saying something and expecting it to be obeyed. Likewise for members of academia. They are used to lecturing those who do not know as much as they do, and perhaps sometimes find it difficult to understand that not everyone is ignorant or as callow as a 19 year old sophomore.

To be a pol, journalist, or lawyer is to constantly be exposed to the temptation of hubris–your opinion will be sought or listened to not because you necessarily know what you are talking about, but because you have power and a platform to make your opinion known (and perhaps to enforce that opinion). Thus you have in your mind a license to trill, so to speak, regardless of one’s actual abilities or knowledge. And so many use that license to the full.

And it should thus come as no surprise that our Mr. Gore has had his toe dipped in all three fields mentioned here–politics, journalism, and the law.

“Expert” pontificators we will always have with us, whether they be experts or no.

Horatius on November 18, 2009 at 1:54 PM

If the core temperature of the Earth had ever been several million degrees, there would have been thermonuclear fusion, the crust of the Earth (on which we live) would have been vaporized, any water would be reduced to nuclear plasma, and the Earth would be the smallest “white dwarf” star in the Universe.

Thankfully, things didn’t happen that way, otherwise we wouldn’t be here.

Steve Z on November 18, 2009 at 2:00 PM

hey…think he can spell potato?

/sarc

Fighton03 on November 18, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Millions of degrees? Time to move to Mars! ;-)

That aside, I’m glad he is promoting geothermal energy. Its IMHO the only promising green tech out there as its both reliable and renewable (something most energy tech industries can not claim).

While its cheaper to place them near a fault line, you can build them anywhere (although the drilling is VERY expensive if you are not near a fault line).

Darnell Clayton on November 18, 2009 at 2:08 PM

your opinion will be sought or listened to not because you necessarily know what you are talking about, but because you have power and a platform to make your opinion known (and perhaps to enforce that opinion). Horatius on November 18, 2009 at 1:54 PM

And the mindless sheeple are the ones that give them the power.
Too many sheeple-no enough leaders.
The sheeple need a sheepdog to whip them into line.

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 2:16 PM

There’s a documentary out there called, “Not Evil, Just Wrong” but I wonder sometimes.

Yakko77 on November 18, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Speaking of geothermal energy, when people were worried a few years ago about Arctic ice melting, some Danish scientists (Denmark owns Greenland) sent a submarine to explore the sea floor under the Arctic to look for minerals, and found hot springs coming from an undersea mountain range. This was a very surprising discovery, because it indicated that the Arctic ice was NOT melting due to “global warming” from above, but due to hot springs from below.

Those springs were NOT millions of degrees (maybe 200 degrees max), but if they were melting Arctic ice from below, the Goracle might want to avoid discussion of geothermal energy…

Steve Z on November 18, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Democrats get especially confused with numbers. Obama confused ones with thousands, Gore and Clinton confused thousands with millions, and the whole Congress seems to be confusing millions with billions and billions with trillions….

calbear on November 18, 2009 at 2:35 PM

The Sun is a mass of incandescent gas
A Gigantic Nuclear Furnace
Where Hydrogen is built into Helium
At a temperature of millions of degrees.

Oh ho its hot, the Sun is not a place where we could live.
But here on Earth there’d be no life without the light it gives…
- They Might be Giants.

I’m thinking They Might be Giants is probably up for a Nobel prize for their groundbreaking lyrical scientific inquiry. I mean Gore got one; why not?

gekkobear on November 18, 2009 at 2:44 PM

You guys are wrong. Clearly Big Al was talking about the crust under one of Obama’s 57 states.

xblade on November 18, 2009 at 2:57 PM

The sheeple need a sheepdog to whip them into line.

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 2:16 PM

The “sheeple” would do better to remember their own inner sheepdog, and whip the politicians into line, the lines of statesmen, remembering, with humility, as they do so, that if politicians often help lambs to stray, it is also often only because the flock demands it to be so.

The Tea Party movement is nothing less than the people themselves whipping themselves into line; it is a act of community self-organizing; with dedication and zeal of a kind that would be praised on high as a miraculous gift of the Gods were it to occur for a leftist cause. Instead it is vilified, proving that to be a leftist is to wish to do for the people, but not for it to be of the people or by the people, but by the elite, of the elite, as determined by the elite, and all too frequently, human nature being what it is, often only when also for the elite as well.

Horatius on November 18, 2009 at 3:54 PM

“’cause the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot …’
____________________________________________________________
So is the air coming out of his mouth.

Dopenstrange on November 18, 2009 at 4:04 PM

The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), an organization that has recently become highly partisan in the leftward sense, recently had Al Gore give a keynote at one of their dinners, where he got a standing O and a very complimentary piece in the important journal: Science. He was described as a “Scientist” in the article. This “several million degrees” gaffe could only be made by someone who doesn’t have even a basic grasp of measurements of the physical world. And, it turns out that real scientists don’t even have a grasp of what a real scientist is. Birds of a feather …

cavman on November 18, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Hey, ice is cold. You know; like a million degrees below zero cold.

Branch Rickey on November 18, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Those springs were NOT millions of degrees (maybe 200 degrees max), but if they were melting Arctic ice from below, the Goracle might want to avoid discussion of geothermal energy…

Steve Z on November 18, 2009 at 2:28 PM

I remember laughing about that bcs all the geologists pretty much saw it coming.
A read DUH factor there.

He was described as a “Scientist” in the article.
cavman on November 18, 2009 at 4:48 PM

And that is why Science is a trash mag, not a scientific publication.
As far as I have ever known, those bozos wouldn’t know a scientist, even though many of them are.
They are the ones that evidently flunked PhD school over & over, passing only when they finally got it just right enough that they were passed on to get them the heck out of there.

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Hey, ice is cold. You know; like a million degrees below zero cold.

Branch Rickey on November 18, 2009 at 4:55 PM

but those ice hydrates-now those are hot!

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Horatius on November 18, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Well some definite whipping needs to be going on.
Like with a cat ‘o nines.

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Al Gore isn’t a big stickler when it comes to temperatures, though. What’s a couple million degrees temperature change, one way or the other?

hawksruleva on November 18, 2009 at 5:14 PM

You wingnuts obviously didn’t understand the all-knowing all-wise al-Gore. He uses a whole different scale for temperature than us mere earthlings: degrees Nano-nanoo. A Nano-nanoo degree is one-thousand-millionth of a Mork degree, which is whatever the Orkans say it is. So, when al-Gore says that it will be a million degrees hotter in the next decade or so, he’s merely informing us that the Orkans are going to adjust the Nano-nanoo scale upwards a teensy bit then. Well known fact.

starboardhelm on November 18, 2009 at 5:24 PM

why should he be believed on anything else in the energy field?

The part of algores mind that is not severely mentally handicapped is clinically insane. I wouldn’t trust algore to know his correct mailing address. But squishy’s respect him because he was an almighty senator.

peacenprosperity on November 18, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Yoop and Badger-40 we should collaborate on a “CO2 for Dummies” and “Geothermal for Dummies” books. We could write it accurately and then tell congress it will support their ideas. Since they don’t read anyway we could convince them to fund it and sent it out to all American homes. Stimulus funds you know. We would get wealthy while having a good laugh at their gullibility.

chemman on November 18, 2009 at 5:39 PM

milwife88 on November 18, 2009 at 9:15 AM

I bow down to your superior intelligence! When do we start putting your plan into overdrive? Just say the word and I’m there!

ya2daup on November 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM

“Another reason why politics & science will never mix.”

Badger40 on November 18, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Actually they do…and when they do…people suffer and die.

Army Brat on November 18, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Can several millions of degree of heat melt steel? or no ?

macncheez on November 18, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Hey, ice is cold. You know; like a million degrees below absolute-zero cold.

Branch Rickey on November 18, 2009 at 4:55 PM

FIF Algore

Blacksmith on November 18, 2009 at 6:45 PM

He should know… he invented the earth.

CynicalOptimist on November 18, 2009 at 6:51 PM

He thinks the core of the earth is several million degrees Celsius and he’s worried about a little extra CO2 in the atmosphere? Science: FAIL.

starboardhelm on November 18, 2009 at 7:19 PM

We converted our house to a geothermal system not too long ago. Gosh, I hope they didn’t drill too deep–we might catch fire.

DrMagnolias on November 18, 2009 at 7:54 PM

starboardhelm on November 18, 2009 at 5:24 PM

What the shazzbot are you talking about?

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on November 18, 2009 at 8:34 PM

If Gore can’t get this rather basic fact right, why should he be believed on anything else in the energy field?

Oh come on now Ed, I know you are aware of how liberals “think.” Don’t let truth and reason get in the way!

Grafted on November 18, 2009 at 8:36 PM

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

I have had a lot of people call me a nut job
a right wing party hack
a theif
a warmonger..
whatever..

But at least no one has accused me yet of being so dumb
that i dont know the difference between a few thousands of degrees and a million..

veteranoutrage on November 18, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Gore now says he had bad information… he’s going to have to rethink that whole Global Warming thing in light of this formerly unknown evidence!

Direct quote below:

“Hey, McCain did you know the Earth’s core isn’t nearly as hot as the Sun’s core? Maybe the Polar Bears are safe after all!”

petunia on November 18, 2009 at 8:54 PM

jgdp on November 18, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Well, that explains this.

boomer on November 18, 2009 at 9:02 PM

People think about geothermal energy — snortwhen they think about it at all — in terms of the hot water bubbling up in some places

Apparently the “snort” didn’t get transcribed. Gotta love that dripping disdain for all the common widdle people that don’t think of such “lofty” things. That’s why we need the Goracle.

More importantly, to hear him tell it, he wants to drill all the way down to where all the heat is at — now that we have high-tech drill bits that won’t melt at those temperatures. I guess Rosie Odonnel was right about the WTC – fire can’t melt steel!!!

What a doofus idgit. 1) Who needs to drill that far when it’s enough to just go far enough to produce the steam pressures for turning the turbines?

Just a thot; if we could drill down to where all those hot rocks are cooking at several million degrees, would we be opening a series of relief points for the molten lava to escape the interior pressures? Wonder what that’ll do for global warming as lava escapes the core at every place we drill. Just an inconvenient digression.

2) The other inconvenient truth would be the amount of resources/energy required to generate geo-thermal electricity in any old place. In some places, it could be cost effective, others hardly at all. If it were that simple, why haven’t the utilities gone to geo-thermal on their own–in the pursuit of clean, sustainable and CHEAP profits? I mean, come on! In oil producing states, we already have drillers going more than deep enough to “tap” that potential, yet the steam produced is just typically another unleveraged by-product of oil production.

3) Obviously, to tap into this “35,000″ year supply, subsidies are needed to fatten his wallet, cause the market won’t do it on its own.

AH_C on November 18, 2009 at 9:02 PM

“Well, Conan , let me ‘splain. Mr. Sun is having this argument with Mother Earth and she’s steamed and that blushing keeps us warm when Mr. Sun isn’t yelling at her. Now we’ve gotta harness Mother Earth’s anger by getting an ecological Judge Wapner to pool that energy community property into alimony for the few-cha. Now for the finer points of the physics involved you’ll have to ask my chief scientists Cameron Diaz and Barbra Streisand.”

viking01 on November 18, 2009 at 9:23 PM

Did he say turban?

July 10 on November 18, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Thank goodness he was at least smart enough to invent the internet!/

redwhiteblue on November 18, 2009 at 11:14 PM

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

What a MORON

Hey AL – BORE..
Since you (gag invented the internet)
havent you ever heard of google?
I suggest you learn to use it
before you open up your dumb ass liberal pie hole
that you call a communication device…
Idiot..

veteranoutrage on November 19, 2009 at 2:23 AM

I’m sorry……who is this Al Gore guy?

Fed45 on November 19, 2009 at 2:31 AM

Hey Al, where’d ya get the Good Drugs?

OkieDoc on November 19, 2009 at 2:58 AM

The temperature differential between the absolute zero void between his ears and the hot gas spewing from his multiple orifices should make the Goracle an ideal geothermal pump.

Annar on November 19, 2009 at 7:08 AM

Algore says its a proven fact that methane gas from cow manure is one of the causes of global warming. So that means Algore’s global warming bullshit is the prime cause of global warming, right?

I say we chuck Algore and his half-assed theories on the compost pile.

Catch
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CatchAll on November 19, 2009 at 8:27 AM

Now this hoaxer is telling us that the core of the earth is several millions of degrees? What do you call an individual who exagerates in perpetuity?

Americannodash on November 19, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Gore FLUNKED out of college.

maverick muse on November 19, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Not only are we made of stardust (no, really), we live on a star.

WE’RE ALL LIGHTWORKERS!

misterpeasea on November 19, 2009 at 1:26 PM

If it was rainin’ out…and I could hear the rain on the roof and Gore entered the room and said that it was raining out…I would suddenly doubt that it was raining. I would have to go outside and make sure that a hose was not being played on the roof to simulate rain.

Army Brat on November 19, 2009 at 3:55 PM

From a Hot Air article by Ed Morrissey; 11/20/09
Excerpt from emails released to the internet from the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit:
From: Kevin Trenberth
To: Michael Mann
Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:57:37 -0600
Cc: Stephen H Schneider , Myles Allen , peter stott , “Philip D. Jones” , Benjamin Santer , Tom Wigley , Thomas R Karl , Gavin Schmidt , James Hansen , Michael Oppenheimer
“……….The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.

Cybergeezer on November 20, 2009 at 9:23 AM

Al must have read a book or seen a movie. Anyone remember an old movie,”Crack in the World”? Everytime Gore shows his face, i laugh!

Orion Prime on November 20, 2009 at 9:41 AM

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