Video: If you’re stuck in airports this holiday season …

posted at 12:55 pm on November 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Earlier today, I came to bury Al Gore, not to praise him. Now Nick Gillespie of Reason TV provides a little balance. Gore wanted to privatize the air-traffic control system during the Clinton years, which would have had the US following Canada’s lead — yes, Canada — in relying on the private sector to maintain air-traffic control.  Such a system would have encouraged technological innovation as well as expansion of resources to meet demand.  Instead, Congress refused to relinquish control, backed by the air-traffic controllers union that feared privatization:

“The air traffic control system in the United States is technologically obsolete,” says Robert W. Poole, Jr., director of transportation studies at Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes Reason.tv. “This model is basically the same model that we have used since the beginning of air travel.”

The technology the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) uses to navigate $200 million jets is less advanced than the GPS technology drivers use to navigate $20,000 cars.

Poole says the system could safely handle more planes if the FAA used modern technology that would provide real-time information about where planes are. But the funding process, overseen by pork-hungry members of Congress, often thwarts technology upgrades.

Pork? Did we mention pork? John Murtha and his Airport To & From Nowhere makes a cameo appearance in this show as a reminder of Congressional spending priorities and what drives them.  Meanwhile, Canada has already begun moving towards 21st-century technology for ATC while the US polishes its 1950s infrastructure in the towers.

Interestingly, I had a connection to the 1980s attempt to modernize the towers while working at Hughes Aircraft.  Hughes had a modern, working system that it submitted to the FAA, while its chief competitor, IBM, submitted a mock-up system that had never been built.  The story is too long and complicated to retell here (it might have made a good book at the time on government procurement abuse), but in the end, the FAA chose IBM’s vaporware.  Hughes sold its system to South Korea and Canada, while IBM eventually failed to produce its system altogether.

And Nick may not have intended it, but this is a perfect illustration as to why we don’t need government in charge of health care, too.  When Congress controls investments and spending, we get Murtha Airports instead of helpful technology.  We get stuck in decades-old approaches while barring private-sector innovation.  Stakeholders become unions and politicians rather than patients and providers.  We should be looking to leverage the private sector rather than finding new ways for Congress to aggrandize itself, literally in the case of Murtha.

At any rate, don’t blame Al Gore for flight delays.  Blame him instead for the high price of fuel.

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Al Gore wanted to privatize the several million airports we have in the United States.

mankai on November 18, 2009 at 12:59 PM

At any rate, don’t blame Al Gore for flight delays. Blame him instead for the high price of fuel.

Oh! The list is much longer than that!

highhopes on November 18, 2009 at 12:59 PM

You would think that after planes were used as weapons on 9/11, having real time data on where planes are would be a homeland security priority. I can’t wait for nationalized healthcare so I can get a good blood letting to get my humors in balance.

Daveyardbird on November 18, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Al Gore wanted to privatize the several million airports we have in the United States.

mankai on November 18, 2009 at 12:59 PM

ROFL

Daggett on November 18, 2009 at 1:05 PM

How often is it that a liberal wants to take government control of a major industry away and hand it to the private sector? Bizarre…

JetBoy on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

OT Hilarity!!!

Andrea Mitchell, NBC News Washington, is doing her hour MSNBC show LIVE from a Palin book signing.

They REALLY are hard up for ratings! It’s making liberal heads explode everywhere.

Enoxo on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Not that the Air Traffic Control System doesn’t need upgrading. But my experience with my cable company persuades me that giving private companies — whose bottom line is really the bottom line, and nothing else — huge, profitable monopolies doesn’t necessarily turn out well.

I wonder who paid to produce that little video.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Hey. I can blame that idiot Al Gore for any damned thing that I want to.

BigAlSouth on November 18, 2009 at 1:11 PM

How often is it that a liberal wants to take government control of a major industry away and hand it to the private sector? Bizarre…

JetBoy on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Jimmy Carter de-regulated the trucking industry.

MarkTheGreat on November 18, 2009 at 1:12 PM

huge, profitable monopolies doesn’t necessarily turn out well.

I wonder who paid to produce that little video.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

But your ok with gubmint take over of health care …..right.

SHARPTOOTH on November 18, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Not that the Air Traffic Control System doesn’t need upgrading. But my experience with my cable company persuades me that giving private companies — whose bottom line is really the bottom line, and nothing else — huge, profitable monopolies doesn’t necessarily turn out well.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

You really are stuck on stupid, aren’t you?
You honestly believe that the cable industry is de-regulated?

MarkTheGreat on November 18, 2009 at 1:13 PM

I recall a few years ago reading about air traffic control somewhere, and the tech involved. The gist of the article, I remember, was that all too often, when someone tries to modernize or utilize technology to upgrade some sort of existing sytem they tend to only automate what is already in place instead of actually improving it. The Air Traffic control system was the example the author used to point out that completely starting from scratch and not relying on the ‘old’ way of doing things will often result in vastly superior results.

JamesLee on November 18, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Ask those waiting hours and hours in delays this holiday season how well they think the federal government does at managing this huge, profitable monopoly.

amerpundit on November 18, 2009 at 1:17 PM

It’s a good thing our health care is still privatized. ;)

shick on November 18, 2009 at 1:18 PM

But my experience with my cable company school district persuades me that giving private companies teacher unions — whose bottom line is really the bottom line, and nothing else — huge, profitable monopolies doesn’t necessarily turn out well.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

FIFY

WashJeff on November 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Thanks…Al Gore for trying…(gulp)

I swallowed that bitter pill.

shick on November 18, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

I, too, would rather have an out of date traffic control system, than a new one. As long as the out of date one isn’t making a profit.

Oooook.

lorien1973 on November 18, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Switch to: AT&T U-Verse, Direct TV, DishTV, or cancel your service all together. You have a choice. Exercise it.

WashJeff on November 18, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Just goes to show that even Al Gore is better on government than the current incumbents. Scary.

amerpundit on November 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM

How often is it that a liberal wants to take government control of a major industry away and hand it to the private sector? Bizarre…

JetBoy on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

What would be bizarre is if there weren’t some sort of conglomerate of Gore supporters ready to swoop in and “privatize” before competitors had a chance to organize themselves.

highhopes on November 18, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Let’s be honest about Gore’s idea.

It wasn’t a privatization. It was a government controlled corporation, much like Amtrack or the post office.

lorien1973 on November 18, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Thanks Ed, I’m hittin’ the airways next week. Really needed the reasurance that I’ll be landing with a 50′s infrastructure. Maybe I should auction off a life insurance policy?

Rovin on November 18, 2009 at 1:26 PM

It wasn’t a privatization. It was a government controlled corporation, much like Amtrack or the post office.

lorien1973 on November 18, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Air Controller Mae or Air Controller Mac?

Can Rahm and Holder get on the board of directors?

WashJeff on November 18, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Al Gore’s family must have owned a lot of stock in the companies that would have taken over ATC. That is the only time a liberal is for private enterprise, when he/she stands to benefit personally.

angryed on November 18, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Not that the Air Traffic Control System doesn’t need upgrading. But my experience with my cable company persuades me that giving private companies — whose bottom line is really the bottom line, and nothing else — huge, profitable monopolies doesn’t necessarily turn out well.

I wonder who paid to produce that little video.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

You are a genius. The cable companies are at each others throats doing everything they can stealing customers away from each other. What’s the biggest insentive for customers to switch? Cost. Only contracts prevent people from switching sooner.

I have a choice and I’m exercising it in a few months when I do not renew my subscription to cable all together.

But you are probably right. Working hard at giving customers the best and lowest prices so that they don’t leave but instead make a profit is not simply good business sense but E-V-I-L! DOWN WITH CAPITALISM!/sarcasm

shick on November 18, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Your statement would be 100% accurate…if this were 1982. In case you haven’t heard there is this totally new thing called satellite TV. And also a sign the future is here today, AT&T and Verizon also offer TV as an option to cable.

You really do live under a rock don’t you?

angryed on November 18, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

I do agree with you that huge monopolies rarely turn out well, but I don’t believe they were advocating that we give the air traffic control system over to GE. I am fine with the government controlling the the air traffic, but that innovation is stifled because of how contracts are doled out by the government. Ed’s story is exactly why this process needs to be reformed. If your company is guaranteed to have the contract for 20 years regardless of progress elsewhere why on earth would you spend money on Research & Development? Just make some product and stick with the same design for 20 years. This mode of thinking is why the graphing calculator I use for math could fly the Space Shuttle. This is why military equipment on ships is almost impossible to upgrade. This is why you have computers from the 1950′s still running our air traffic control system.

I have read your many posts and I have yet to see one where you concede the private sector is better then the government. About the only thing the government does better than the private sector is spend money and (thanks to our military) blow crap up.

txaggie on November 18, 2009 at 1:31 PM

What would be bizarre is if there weren’t some sort of conglomerate of Gore supporters ready to swoop in and “privatize” before competitors had a chance to organize themselves.

highhopes on November 18, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Good point…Kinda like wanting to force companies to purchase “carbon credits”, “Oh and by the way, I know of this nice little company…”

JetBoy on November 18, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

You mean the out of date ATC items still used to this day because they WORK! You know.. the constant use of little metal slats that have the airline information due to the fact that the “sat” is constantly screwing up due to CLOUDS!

*sighs* you don’t get rid of everything that works because in something like “airlines” you want a backup if it (the electronics) fails.

upinak on November 18, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Your statement would be 100% accurate…if this were 1982. In case you haven’t heard there is this totally new thing called satellite TV. And also a sign the future is here today, AT&T and Verizon also offer TV as an option to cable.

You really do live under a rock don’t you?

angryed on November 18, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Cable/satellite TV is still pretty much an oligopoly where I live and both competitors have terrible reputations for quality of service.

More to the point, though, are you suggesting that there’s going to be day-in-day out cutthroat competition for air traffic control business? Because what I assume will happen is that some company or another will get a nationwide, long-term contract (like cable in the old days) and that they will become as difficult to monitor or dislodge as any other bureaucracy. I’m not sure this is something that can be re-bid every couple of years (or that the incumbent wouldn’t gain a tremendous advantage through inertia and campaign giving and lobbying a la the Boeing-Air Bus tanker battles).

I have read your many posts and I have yet to see one where you concede the private sector is better then the government. About the only thing the government does better than the private sector is spend money and (thanks to our military) blow crap up.

txaggie on November 18, 2009 at 1:31 PM

I happily entrust much of my life to the free market. I just don’t worship it because experience has shown that private companies can be just as venal, incompetent and corrupt as any other institution. And, while I don’t think government should build airplanes, I’m properly skeptical about handing out profitable monopolies to them.

In this case, I am open to “Reason” but I’m not going to get all quivery because the magic mantra “free market” got chanted.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Ed I love the site and I love ReasonTV. But man, did they leave out huge facts here. First off the US govt is overhauling our nations airspace grid system.
Actually, they are doing a lot of things that will hopefully improve air travel. Now I\’m not saying our govt should be doing this, I just want to point out that the govt is doing something about, but at an incredible slow pace. The system is called Next Generation Air Transportation System (NextGen) and everyone can learn about here at this wiki site or go the JPDO page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Generation_Air_Transportation_System

http://www.jpdo.gov/

One last thing on air travel. Air travel will never improve that much unless we build more airports specialty in the NYC area. Once you a major disruption, it creates a ripple effect throughout the NAS (National Air Space). So unless people are willing to build more airports, not even NavCanada will save our system.

Lance Murdock on November 18, 2009 at 1:44 PM

About the only thing the government does better than the private sector is spend money and (thanks to our military) blow crap up.

txaggie on November 18, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Sorry to correct you while you are on a roll but you might have forgotten that the military blows a lot of stuff up with equipment made by competitive contractors.

shick on November 18, 2009 at 1:44 PM

About the only thing the government does better than the private sector is spend money and (thanks to our military) blow crap up.

txaggie on November 18, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Sorry to correct you while you are on a roll but you might have forgotten that the military blows stuff up with equipment made by competitive contractors. So I would conclude that the governemtn is only good at spending OUR money.

shick on November 18, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Air traffic control is DEFINITELY something that could benefit from being farmed out to the low bidder.

e-pirate on November 18, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Andrea Mitchell, NBC News Washington, is doing her hour MSNBC show LIVE from a Palin book signing.

They REALLY are hard up for ratings! It’s making liberal heads explode everywhere.

Enoxo on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

I asked a liberal co-worker of mine why the libs can’t stop talking about Sarah Palin. His answer: “(sigh) That’s about all we got left.”

I know quite a few bleeding heart liberals who already feel defeated. It’s a beautiful sight.

uknowmorethanme on November 18, 2009 at 1:51 PM

I believe IBM’s ATC failure was used as a case study claiming that software systems were getting too huge and complicated to work. Of course, the Hughes system was never mentioned—just the failure of some anonymous contractor to come up with a working replacement for the antiquated ATC systems.

Al in St. Lou on November 18, 2009 at 1:58 PM

e-pirate on November 18, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Good news. Right now, it’s under control of people who think having a system 30 years behind the times is acceptable.

So you get your wish.

lorien1973 on November 18, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Air Controller Mae or Air Controller Mac?

Can Rahm and Holder get on the board of directors?

WashJeff on November 18, 2009 at 1:27 PM

LOL, don’t get me started with Fannie Mae…I was at some professional continuing education over the weekend and got a whole 2 hours worth on what incompetent hacks those clowns still are.

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2009 at 2:23 PM

It’ll take the death of hundreds in an avoidable disaster to get anything done. Bank on it.

Yakko77 on November 18, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Air traffic control is DEFINITELY something that could benefit from being farmed out to the low bidder.

e-pirate on November 18, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Privatization is the equivalent of low cost bidder?

Is there no subject on which you aren’t willing to display your ignorance for all to see?

MarkTheGreat on November 18, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Sure could use a e-sniper right now.

WashJeff on November 18, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Cable/satellite TV is still pretty much an oligopoly where I live and both competitors have terrible reputations for quality of service.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Thanks to govt interference in the market.

MarkTheGreat on November 18, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Thanks to govt interference in the market.

MarkTheGreat on November 18, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Exactly. “bleeds blue stupid” is consistent: always wrong, always using invalid comparisons to make unsound arguments

Most large utility companies, like cable, are government-created monopolies and have nothing to do with a free ( much less regulated ) market

Liberals Never Learn….

Janos Hunyadi on November 18, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Not that the Air Traffic Control System doesn’t need upgrading. But my experience with my cable company persuades me that giving private companies — whose bottom line is really the bottom line, and nothing else — huge, profitable monopolies doesn’t necessarily turn out well.

I wonder who paid to produce that little video.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM

For once I may agree with you…if we had air traffic as badly managed as interstate trucking, God help us.
“Innovation” would likely lead to computers that don’t talk to each other…

Chris_Balsz on November 18, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Say what you want about the guy, but he DID invent the internet. That’s gotta count for something.

manwithblackhat on November 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM

At any rate, don’t blame Al Gore for flight delays. Blame him instead for the high price of fuel.

I hope gore appreciates you being so fair and balanced.

tom on November 18, 2009 at 6:01 PM