Holder: I picked criminal court because … I’m really smart

posted at 12:15 pm on November 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Thanks to Scott Johnson at Power Line, we have Attorney General Eric Holder’s explanation of his decision to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in federal court rather than by military tribunals or commissions.  Or do we?  As Scott and Paul Mirengoff note, Eric Holder spends a lot of time in which he claims to explain the decision, and says nothing at all about how he reached it.

I am a prosecutor, and as a prosecutor my top priority was simply to select the venue where the government will have the greatest opportunity to present the strongest case in the best forum.

I studied this issue extensively. I consulted the Secretary of Defense. I heard from prosecutors from my Department and from the Defense Department’s Office of Military Commissions. I spoke to victims on both sides of the question. I asked a lot of questions and weighed every alternative. And at the end of the day, it was clear to me that the venue in which we are most likely to obtain justice for the American people is in federal court.

I know there are members of this committee, and members of the public, who have strong feelings on both sides. There are some who disagree with the decision to try the alleged Cole bomber and several others in a military commission, just as there are some who disagree with prosecuting the 9/11 plotters in federal court. …

This was a tough call, and reasonable people can disagree with my conclusion that these individuals should be tried in federal court rather than a military commission.

The 9/11 attacks were both an act of war and a violation of our federal criminal law, and they could have been prosecuted in either federal courts or military commissions. Courts and commissions are both essential tools in our fight against terrorism.

Therefore, at the outset of my review of these cases, I had no preconceived views as to the merits of either venue, and in fact on the same day that I sent these five defendants to federal court, I referred five others to be tried in military commissions. I am a prosecutor, and as a prosecutor my top priority was simply to select the venue where the government will have the greatest opportunity to present the strongest case in the best forum.

I studied this issue extensively. I consulted the Secretary of Defense. I heard from prosecutors from my Department and from the Defense Department’s Office of Military Commissions. I spoke to victims on both sides of the question. I asked a lot of questions and weighed every alternative. And at the end of the day, it was clear to me that the venue in which we are most likely to obtain justice for the American people is in federal court.

I know there are members of this committee, and members of the public, who have strong feelings on both sides. There are some who disagree with the decision to try the alleged Cole bomber and several others in a military commission, just as there are some who disagree with prosecuting the 9/11 plotters in federal court.

Despite these disagreements, I hope we can have an open, honest, and informed discussion about that decision today, and as part of that discussion, I would like to clear up some of the misinformation that I have seen since Friday.

First, we know that we can prosecute terrorists in our federal courts safely and securely because we have been doing it for years. There are more than 300 convicted international and domestic terrorists currently in Bureau of Prisons custody, including those responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the attacks on our embassies in Africa. Our courts have a long history of handling these cases, and no district has a longer history than the Southern District of New York in Manhattan. I have talked to Mayor Bloomberg of New York, and both he and the Police Commissioner Ray Kelly believe that we can safely hold these trials in New York.

Second, we can protect classified material during trial. The Classified Information Procedures Act, or CIPA, establishes strict rules and procedures for the use of classified information at trial, and we have used it to protect classified information in a range of terrorism cases. In fact, the standards recently adopted by Congress to govern the use of classified information in military commissions are derived from the very CIPA rules that we use in federal court.

Third, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will have no more of a platform to spew his hateful ideology in federal court than he would have in military commissions. Before the commissions last year, he declared the proceedings an “inquisition,” condemned his own attorneys and our Constitution, and professed his desire to become a martyr. Those proceedings were heavily covered in the media, yet few complained at the time that his rants threatened the fabric of our democracy.

Judges in federal court have firm control over the conduct of defendants and other participants in their courtrooms, and when the 9/11 conspirators are brought to trial, I have every confidence that the presiding judge will ensure appropriate decorum. And if KSM makes the same statements he made in his military commission proceedings, I have every confidence the nation and the world will see him for the coward he is. I’m not scared of what KSM will have to say at trial – and no one else needs to be either.

Fourth, there is nothing common about the treatment the alleged 9/11 conspirators will receive. In fact, I expect to direct prosecutors to seek the ultimate and most uncommon penalty for these heinous crimes. And I expect that they will be held in custody under Special Administrative Measures reserved for the most dangerous criminals.

Finally, there are some who have said this decision means that we have reverted to a pre-9/11 mentality, or that we don’t realize this nation is at war. Three weeks ago, I had the honor of joining the President at Dover Air Force Base for the dignified transfer of the remains of eighteen Americans, including three DEA agents, who lost their lives to the war in Afghanistan. The brave soldiers and agents carried home on that plane gave their lives to defend this country and its values, and we owe it to them to do everything we can to carry on the work for which they sacrificed.

I know that we are at war.

I know that we are at war with a vicious enemy who targets our soldiers on the battlefield in Afghanistan and our civilians on the streets here at home. I have personally witnessed that somber fact in the faces of the families who have lost loved ones abroad, and I have seen it in the daily intelligence stream I review each day. Those who suggest otherwise are simply wrong.

Prosecuting the 9/11 defendants in federal court does not represent some larger judgment about whether or not we are at war. We are at war, and we will use every instrument of national power – civilian, military, law enforcement, intelligence, diplomatic, and others – to win. We need not cower in the face of this enemy. Our institutions are strong, our infrastructure is sturdy, our resolve is firm, and our people are ready.

We will also use every instrument of our national power to bring to justice those responsible for terrorist attacks against our people. For eight years, justice has been delayed for the victims of the 9/11 attacks. It has been delayed even further for the victims of the attack on the USS Cole. No longer. No more delays. It is time, it is past time, to act. By bringing prosecutions in both our courts and military commissions, by seeking the death penalty, by holding these terrorists responsible for their actions, we are finally taking ultimate steps toward justice. That is why I made this decision.

In making this and every other decision I have made as Attorney General, my paramount concern is the safety of the American people and the preservation of American values. I am confident this decision meets those goals, and that it will withstand the judgment of history.

Well, that’s great.  But what about the federal court made Holder decide that it was a better venue than military tribunals for KSM and his cohorts?  And what about military tribunals made Holder decide that they would be better venues for other Gitmo detainees?  Nowhere in this long, laborious statement does Holder do what he proposed to do with it, which is to explain why we’re better off with KSM in federal court rather than in the military tribunals that Holder will use for other detainees.

Furthermore, the delays which Holder decries have come courtesy of Congress, the Supreme Court, and the Obama administration.  It took Congress years to finally agree on the military tribunal process, and the Supreme Court threw it out.  The next year, a Democratic Congress created another process, and Gitmo detainees were already scheduled to get that form of justice (including KSM) when Obama stopped the tribunals after taking office.  Now that Holder has transferred the cases to federal court, we can expect years more in delays before we get to voir dire and opening statements, assuming that the judge doesn’t dismiss the case for all sorts of evidentiary issues surrounding the acquisition of intelligence and the physical capture and detention of the defendants.

If Holder wanted to avoid the delays, he would have chosen the tribunals, not the federal court system.  And his assertion that KSM can’t use a federal trial as a propaganda platform is ludicrous.  Zacarias Moussaoui  managed to do it perfectly well despite the supposed power of federal judges to “control” defendants.  KSM is much more adept than Moussaoui, who was considered even by his al-Qaeda colleagues to be a loose cannon.

Finally, let’s look at an example that Holder offers, that of the 1993 trial of Omar Abdel Rahman.  Did that stop al-Qaeda in its tracks?  No, and in fact, it allowed Rahman to use Lynne Stewart as a conductor to further direct terrorism abroad.  The US also used law enforcement to arrest Rahman in the US, which means that their evidentiary chain was more suitable to federal court than a military tribunal — and since Rahman committed his crime while a legal resident of the US, federal court was the only choice the government had.

Holder can’t provide an explanation for this choice because there is no acceptable explanation.  It’s entirely political.

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I am a prosecutor, and as a prosecutor my top priority was simply to select the venue where the government will have the greatest opportunity to present the strongest case in the best forum.

Yes, civilian court would no doubt give you the best venue to present your case. KSM would have virtually no way to turn that into a circus, trash the previous administration or risk national security.

BadgerHawk on November 18, 2009 at 12:18 PM

True. His answer was I made the decision because I evaluated everything and this was the right decision.

It was perplexing, to say the least. No questions were addressed.

AnninCA on November 18, 2009 at 12:19 PM

in fact on the same day that I sent these five defendants to federal court, I referred five others to be tried in military commissions

The guys who your case wasn’t as strong against?

BadgerHawk on November 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Since the decision was made by Rahm, he really can’t tell them how he made the decision.

d1carter on November 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Liberals – please explain this to me: KSM is supposedly being put on civil trial because this is the only place justice can be found (e.g., not in the shadowy hallways of military tribunals) yet we’re getting a guarantee from Obama that this trial will only have one outcome.

gwelf on November 18, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Isn’t that typical of this admin.,saying alot that doesn’t amount to a hill of beans?!BUT…..looking good saying it :)

ohiobabe on November 18, 2009 at 12:21 PM

What happens, some time after the trial, Islamic jihadists find some of the jury members and murder them. Why expose our citizens to a greater threat?

This is not a criminal trial, it’s a clash of civilizations and we need to understand that.

Oil Can on November 18, 2009 at 12:21 PM

The 9/11 attacks were both an act of war and a violation of our federal criminal law, and they could have been prosecuted in either federal courts or military commissions. Courts and commissions are both essential tools in our fight against terrorism.

Is Holder setting up a justification for prosecuting them on military charges when the criminal prosecution falls apart? Would charging them with a war crime in a military tribunal after failing with civilian murder charges avoid double jeopardy?

forest on November 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Second, we can protect classified material during trial. The Classified Information Procedures Act, or CIPA, establishes strict rules and procedures for the use of classified information at trial, and we have used it to protect classified information in a range of terrorism cases. In fact, the standards recently adopted by Congress to govern the use of classified information in military commissions are derived from the very CIPA rules that we use in federal court.

Andy McCarthy pointed out this all goes out the door if KSM decides to represent himself. Any competent adult is entitled to do that. Can’t stop him.

Then KSM gets all the evidence against him.

Wethal on November 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Holder can’t provide an explanation for this choice because there is no acceptable explanation. It’s entirely political.

Aside from the fact that everything about this case was and is always going to be political, I’m curious what the expected political benefits of this trial are?

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Deep down, they want the case to be a forum against Bush, Republicans, the right, torture, etc.

Deep down, they want the case to be a show.

And deep down, ultimately I believe they want the case to be thrown out, dismissed, mistrial, whatever.

catmman on November 18, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Is Holder setting up a justification for prosecuting them on military charges when the criminal prosecution falls apart? Would charging them with a war crime in a military tribunal after failing with civilian murder charges avoid double jeopardy?

forest on November 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Not if it’s for separate attacks. He’s only charged with the WTC attack, not the Pentagon.

Wethal on November 18, 2009 at 12:23 PM

I spoke to victims on both sides of the question.

Both sides? Lets see…WTC workers, plane passengers and crew, and folks in the Pentagon are on one side; who are the victims on the other side?

Bin Laden? KSM? GITMO residents? Hussien and Sons?

Good God…what did he mean?

BobMbx on November 18, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Wow, he could have just said that being the greatest Attorney General is US history means never having to explain.

ORconservative on November 18, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Excellent analysis, Ed….unfortunately, it makes me sick to my stomach. There WILL be a reckoning, hopefully sooner than later – the Obama minions WILL tumble into history’s pile of dreck. But, again unfortunately, there will be many innocent casualties that will pave the way.

Catherine Wilkinson on November 18, 2009 at 12:24 PM

I spoke to victims on both sides of the question.

Victims? Both sides? WTF?

Dingbat63 on November 18, 2009 at 12:24 PM

says nothing at all about how he reached it

I’ll sum it up for you: “Bush/Cheney are satanic spawns for torture. Y’know if as a socialist I believed in the Heaven/Hell sort of thing…”

_____________

Leftists are Leftists.

Branch Rickey on November 18, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Aside from the fact that everything about this case was and is always going to be political, I’m curious what the expected political benefits of this trial are?

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM

A chance to draw contrasts between President Obama and Bush, and a way to drag the latter through the mud. Don’t play stupid.

BadgerHawk on November 18, 2009 at 12:24 PM

yet we’re getting a guarantee from Obama that this trial will only have one outcome.

gwelf on November 18, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Don’t forget: Every Obama promise comes with an expiration date.

BobMbx on November 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Ten pounds of $#@! in a five-pound sack.

hillbillyjim on November 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I spoke to victims on both sides of the question.
Victims? Both sides? WTF?

Dingbat63 on November 18, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Beat me to it…..gald to know I’m not the only one that saw that and had a serious ‘WTF moment’

Texas74 on November 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Moral of the story. It’s best not to take prisoners.

MaiDee on November 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM

His genius boss Obama just said in an interview that KSM would be found guilty, and that the death penalty would be applied……just great, immediate grounds for a mistrial.

And this moron taught constitutional law. We’re doomed.

PatriotRider on November 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Aside from the fact that everything about this case was and is always going to be political, I’m curious what the expected political benefits of this trial are?

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM

A miscalculation that by sending KSM et al. to civilian court, the administration would somehow reap a political benefit for having “turned its back” on the Bush administration. The “justice” comes specifically from a civilian, as opposed to a military trial.

Of course, thats just nonsense, and it is misfiring badly.

Revenant on November 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM

I am looking forward to the show trials of Rahm, Axelrod, Holder, and BHO. Now those will be show trials.

d1carter on November 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Could someone answer a question for me?

In discussions about the damage done to national security during the earlier “blind sheik” trial, most cite the revelation that we knew Osama’s cell phone. Also that revealing the names of known terrorists gave al queda a map to what we knew and how we knew it.

But there’s something else I never see. I clearly recall reading/hearing that evidence in that trial revealed engineering details about the WTC…details that al queda used in planning where the planes should hit the buildings with the intent to bring them down.

No one ever mentions that one. Did I imagine it? Am I recalling wrongly?

Does anyone else remember it?

jeanneb on November 18, 2009 at 12:27 PM

“I spoke to victims on both sides of the question.”

Could someone deconstruct this statement for me?

If the first place, the victims are deceased and I’m quite certain Holder didn’t consult a psychic. In the second, what “other side” are there victims on?

2nd Ammendment Mother on November 18, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Aside from the fact that everything about this case was and is always going to be political, I’m curious what the expected political benefits of this trial are?

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM

It’s only political for the oboobi admin.

SHARPTOOTH on November 18, 2009 at 12:27 PM

This decision is yet another example of Obummer bowing bending over for the world’s acceptance of himself.

bloviator on November 18, 2009 at 12:27 PM

I spoke to victims on both sides of the question.

is he saying that the terrorists are victims? huh?

cmsinaz on November 18, 2009 at 12:27 PM

“I spoke to victims on both sides of the question.”

Could someone deconstruct this statement for me?

If the first place, the victims are deceased and I’m quite certain Holder didn’t consult a psychic. In the second, what “other side” are there victims on?

My guess is that he means he spoke to victims who were in favor of civilian trials and victims in favor of military trials.

Revenant on November 18, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Don’t forget: Every Obama promise comes with an expiration date.

BobMbx on November 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I think he’ll keep this one – if KSM is not found guilty and Obama lets him go then his administration is effectively over and he has 0 chance of winning in 2012.

gwelf on November 18, 2009 at 12:28 PM

I spoke to victims on both sides of the question.

I’m pretty sure he means victims on both sides of the question of where to try these guys.

Let’s not hyperventilate over that.

BadgerHawk on November 18, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Smart people know how to explain themselves better than this. Smart people would be able to convince the rest of us that this really is a good idea.

Eric Holder is not smart people.

myrenovations on November 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Aside from the fact that everything about this case was and is always going to be political, I’m curious what the expected political benefits of this trial are?

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM

A chance to draw contrasts between President Obama and Bush, and a way to drag the latter through the mud. Don’t play stupid.

BadgerHawk on November 18, 2009 at 12:24 PM

I doubt it. The pressure here is to win a conviction. Stakes are too high for political grandstanding.

I spoke to victims on both sides of the question.
Victims? Both sides? WTF?

Dingbat63 on November 18, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Beat me to it…..gald to know I’m not the only one that saw that and had a serious ‘WTF moment’

Texas74 on November 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I think he just meant that he spoke to victims who had opinions on both sides of the tribunal/trial issue, not on the terrorist/victim divide.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM

This circus is to show the world how great our justice system is.

What a load of bs this is.

More wasted taxpayer money going out the door on some slime that will make a mockery of the court. I meant KSM not Holder, but I guess both apply.

SmallGovtGuy on November 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Mr. Holder, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

/BillyMadison off

DrAllecon on November 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Victims? Both sides? WTF?

Dingbat63 on November 18, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Yeah, I’d like to hear Holder, or his boss, explain that one. Actually, on second thought, I don’t.

jwolf on November 18, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Finally, there are some who have said this decision means that we have reverted to a pre-9/11 mentality, or that we don’t realize this nation is at war. Three weeks ago, I had the honor of joining the President at Dover Air Force Base for the dignified transfer of the remains of eighteen Americans, including three DEA agents, who lost their lives to the war in Afghanistan. The brave soldiers and agents carried home on that plane gave their lives to defend this country and its values, and we owe it to them to do everything we can to carry on the work for which they sacrificed.

I know that we are at war.

Are these people ever not campaigning for Obama?

LibTired on November 18, 2009 at 12:30 PM

I keep hearing that his reason is political and I don’t doubt that it is. But just what political advantage will they get out of this? I can’t grasp that.

shick on November 18, 2009 at 12:30 PM

In other news, President Obama is “very close” to a troop decision again.

Mike Honcho on November 18, 2009 at 12:30 PM

looks like the all the gitmo rejects will be coming to my great state of Illinois. pray for me and my family.

Ghoul aid on November 18, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Holder: I picked criminal court because … I’m really smart

Am I wrong to think that a decision as to where to try terrorists really and rightfully should be made by the filthy lying coward in the White House and not the AG? Yes, as AG, Holder has some independent powers but this isn’t one of the things that falls under that umbrella.

highhopes on November 18, 2009 at 12:31 PM

I doubt it. The pressure here is to win a conviction. Stakes are too high for political grandstanding.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM

So you agree that these will be show trials, and the political stakes will ensure their outcome no matter the facts or evidence hold?

BadgerHawk on November 18, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Victims? Both sides? WTF?

Dingbat63 on November 18, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Gitmo detainees are not given diet cola.

shick on November 18, 2009 at 12:31 PM

What’s all the hollering about? We’re not a nation of cowards are we..???

Oh,wait……

BigWyo on November 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM

great post Ed, as usual…

max1 on November 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM

What has happened to us?

Knucklehead on November 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM

But what about the federal court made Holder decide that it was a better venue than military tribunals for KSM and his cohorts? And what about military tribunals made Holder decide that they would be better venues for other Gitmo detainees?

I can only imagine the cries of ‘FASCISM!’ on the left that would arise if Bush had decided to arbitrarily throw enemy combatants into differing justice systems.

gwelf on November 18, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Since the decision was made by Rahm George Soros, he really can’t tell them how he made the decision.

d1carter on November 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Fixed.

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2009 at 12:33 PM

I know it’s going to be tough on the 911 families, but please, don’t pull back. Let out the rope. Let these dam fools hang themselves. I’ve said it before. Given enough rope to run their leftist agendas to full tilt… we’ll not have to put up with another Democrat administration in our lifetimes.

Griz on November 18, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Aside from the fact that everything about this case was and is always going to be political, I’m curious what the expected political benefits of this trial are?

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM

LOL. You honestly don’t know?

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Ed,

blockquote>Holder can’t provide an explanation for this choice because there is no acceptable explanation. It’s entirely political.
I don’t understand. What political advantage does the administration get out of this?

shick on November 18, 2009 at 12:35 PM

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I think any sane stateside non-military prosecutors would look at the KSM trial and decide that they will lose it due to the lack of admissible evidence. They wouldn’t waste taxpayer money–and their credibility–in continuing the case.
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And as a juror on this case I would have to follow the judge’s instructions and would vote them NOT GUILTY without the tainted evidence. And I would have to keep “packing heat” and looking over my shoulder the rest of my life if I served on this jury at all. There are a lot of Jihadi fifth columnists in our U.S.A. Serving on this jury will be hazardous to your health!
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EPIC FAIL for Comrade Obama (PBUH) and Holder. But a good chance to set up a Stalinist type SHOW TRIAL for the EVIL BOOOSH, CHENEY, and CIA. That’s the real agenda.
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John Bibb
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rocketman on November 18, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Not if it’s for separate attacks. He’s only charged with the WTC attack, not the Pentagon.

Wethal on November 18, 2009 at 12:23 PM

I guess that’s their “out” for when the civilian trial goes awry. Small consolation to the survivors and families of victims of the WTC attack though.

forest on November 18, 2009 at 12:37 PM

John Kyl asked Holder as to why is putting KSM in a civilian trial the best venue when KSM has already pleaded guilty before military authorities and asked to be executed. All Holder could say was basically “because I said so”.

kingsjester on November 18, 2009 at 12:37 PM

In other news, President Obama is “very close” to a troop decision again.

Mike Honcho on November 18, 2009 at 12:30 PM

The filthy lying dithering coward rejected all four plans that were being discussed before his vacation to Asia. What’s changed that “go back to the drawing board” has changed to “very close and this time I mean it?”

The fact of the matter is that the rat bastard traitor hasn’t even considered this issue since the last photo-op. It’s a political statement and nothing more. In the meantime, troops are dying because they are under-resourced for the strategy the filthy lying coward approved last March. I’m so angry about this because they deserve better than the radical hate-filled monster in the White House.

highhopes on November 18, 2009 at 12:37 PM

KSM Defense Lawyer: “My client is accused of using an aerial weapon to kill civilians. Why is it a crime for him to do it and the Prosecution (U.S.) is not on trial for doing the same thing in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan with their Predator (and other) aircraft killing civilians? Why is one a crime and the other not?”

It is going to be a circus.

albill on November 18, 2009 at 12:37 PM

I doubt it. The pressure here is to win a conviction. Stakes are too high for political grandstanding.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Obama and Holder stopped his trial in the military justice system – what’s the benefit of doing a civil trial?

And answer me this: KSM is supposedly being put on civil trial because this is the only place justice can be found (e.g., not in the shadowy hallways of military tribunals) yet we know that Obama is never going to let KSM go free.

gwelf on November 18, 2009 at 12:37 PM

The decision was made to
1. Keep Bush the #1 enemy in people’s minds, as that is the only thing that keeps the One’s numbers up.
2. To distract the public so that the Soros gang continues to dump the dollar and usher in Marxism.

Conservative Voice on November 18, 2009 at 12:37 PM

I think he’ll keep this one – if KSM is not found guilty and Obama lets him go then his administration is effectively over and he has 0 chance of winning in 2012.

gwelf on November 18, 2009 at 12:28 PM

In other words, he has nothing to lose by letting KSM go.

BobMbx on November 18, 2009 at 12:38 PM

A member of congress asked Mr. Holder, “How can you be more certain of a conviction in federal court when KSM has essentially pled guilty in the military tribunal, thus guaranteeing a conviction in that venue?”

“Shut up,” explained Mr. Holder.

And then was heard the faint sound of a large, approaching bus…..

LASue on November 18, 2009 at 12:38 PM

I spoke to victims on both sides of the question.

There were victims on both sides of the 911 attacks on the world trade center and the pentagon?????

paulsur on November 18, 2009 at 12:39 PM

OK Holder, you and your boss are about to stage a 3 ring circus to demean and degrade the America you both abhor. I’m sure you and Obama have more than pleased your anti-war supporters, the radical left and your parasitic constituents. How does it feel to be a prime mover for the destruction of a once great Republic?

rplat on November 18, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Reading Holder’s comments, I’m reminded of this —

Murray the Cop: “Felix, Oscar is sick, he’s my friend, and I’m a policeman”

Felix Unger: “I have no time to unravel your logic, Murray.”

Odd Couple, Season 4 (1973-74).

jon1979 on November 18, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Major was on Fox after this and brought up a good point. Holder and Zero have all but convicted him and said he is guilty and will get the death penalty. He brought up how would they know this. He stopped himself from going on. I’d really like to know what’s going on. I know it’s about putting Bush on trial. I think there is more to it. Major had me thinking after he brought this up.

Brat4life on November 18, 2009 at 12:39 PM

We will also use every instrument of our national power to bring to justice those responsible for terrorist attacks against our people Bush/Cheney.

Connie on November 18, 2009 at 12:40 PM

I doubt it. The pressure here is to win a conviction. Stakes are too high for political grandstanding.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM

So you agree that these will be show trials, and the political stakes will ensure their outcome no matter the facts or evidence hold?

BadgerHawk on November 18, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Your use of the phrase “show trials” undercuts your usual credibility. Surely you are not suggesting that KSM is an innocent victim of dictator-driven politics being tried before a pre-rigged judge and jury, without counsel, at which he’ll confess to a series of imaginary crimes that he’s plead guilty to to avoid further torture?

Because as a leftist ACLU supporter, you know I’d be the first to object to something like that.

I think there will be tremendous pressure on Obama/Holder and the Justice Department to win a conviction, just as there would be on Obama/the military to win a conviction, but I don’t suspect they will do anything untoward.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:40 PM

holder and dear leader have really screwed the pooch on this one…

cmsinaz on November 18, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Stakes are too high for political grandstanding.
Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM

I will remember this quote from you when his lawyer is asking him all about being water-boarded, sleep deprived, etc.

Don’t play stupid.
BadgerHawk on November 18, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Youngs98 on November 18, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Aside from the fact that everything about this case was and is always going to be political, I’m curious what the expected political benefits of this trial are?

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM

If you really are this stupid, you have no business expressing opinions about this topic.

highhopes on November 18, 2009 at 12:40 PM

he pressure here is to win a conviction.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Where does this pressure to win a conviction come from?

And if as you claim the pressures are too high for political grandstanding, then why not just hold military tribunals? You just painted yourself into a corner.

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Listened to Rush briefly yesterday and he said that Holder stated the only people he consulted with about his decision before announcing it were his (Holder’s) wife and brother.

The first thing that popped into my head when I heard that was, Obama didn’t expect the amount of backlash and told Holder to take the fall and start digging his own grave. Obama will say he was never consulted, no one higher up on the food chain had any say in the final decision and that Holder made a poor decision and Holder will have to step down to save Obama’s butt.

SouperConservative on November 18, 2009 at 12:41 PM

If you really are this stupid, you have no business expressing opinions about this any topic.

highhopes on November 18, 2009 at 12:40 PM

FIFY

Ghoul aid on November 18, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Tune into Fred Thompson’s discussion on this now.

maverick muse on November 18, 2009 at 12:41 PM

And as a juror on this case I would have to follow the judge’s instructions and would vote them NOT GUILTY without the tainted evidence. And I would have to keep “packing heat” and looking over my shoulder the rest of my life if I served on this jury at all. There are a lot of Jihadi fifth columnists in our U.S.A. Serving on this jury will be hazardous to your health!

rocketman on November 18, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Something that’s not been touched on……….

Who in their right mind will sit on this jury?

Knucklehead on November 18, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Are you smart enough to bring the black panthers to justice?

bluegrass on November 18, 2009 at 12:42 PM

I spoke to victims on both sides of the question.

Victims? Both sides? WTF?

Dingbat63 on November 18, 2009 at 12:24 PM

He’s a liberal. That means for him, if there’s a victim on one side, there must be one on the other side too. Once you understand everyone is a victim, the rest just falls into place.

taznar on November 18, 2009 at 12:42 PM

It’s not a matter of better court or not. We do not see this as a better venue. Not NYC, not KSM, not now when he has already confessed.

It is not a matter of truth and justice.

It is not a question of whether we are at war or not.

It is not a matter of whether you are a prosecutor, a defender, a plaintiff or a defendant.

It is not a matter of any of these things….

It is a matter of right and wrong. It is in these two areas where the both of you have blinders on. This is not misinformation, Eric and Barack. So both of you sit down and take a lesson. Americans don’t want these guys tried here because of this simple dichotomy–one that you don’t or won’t understand. It’s wrong.

Would you have your child’s rapist over for dinner? It’s not illegal, you may be a cook, he may be hungry..There’s nothing preventing you from doing it—but it’s simply wrong. That’s what you two don’t get and that’s why you’re getting push back. The misinformation is coming from one end of this equation bub, check your mirror, there’s the source of it.

ted c on November 18, 2009 at 12:42 PM

His genius boss Obama just said in an interview that KSM would be found guilty, and that the death penalty would be applied……just great, immediate grounds for a mistrial.

And this moron taught constitutional law. We’re doomed.

PatriotRider on November 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Is it legal for him to say that?

the_nile on November 18, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Oh, and Holder’s firm served as KSM etc’s pro bono leagal team. So delays and other tactics used to get us to this point come courtesy of… Holder & Co.

Akzed on November 18, 2009 at 12:44 PM

After Chuckie Schumer explained how much it would cost for security associated with the trial, an astounding $75 million per year according to NYPD & NYFD officials, he asked the following question to Holder:

“Will the government reimburse us for any and all expenses relating to these civil trials?”

When he should have asked this question:

“How much would it cost to have the military try them in Gitmo?”

Idiot.

fogw on November 18, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Aside from the fact that everything about this case was and is always going to be political, I’m curious what the expected political benefits of this trial are?

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM

LOL. You honestly don’t know?

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2009 at 12:34 PM

I confess that am having trouble getting much of a political upside to this. Republicans hate it and are sufficiently treasonous to make political hay out of the decision and, if they lose, there will be a firestorm of criticism. If they convict and execute, everyone will just consider it business as usual, not an achievement.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:44 PM

We are truly a nation of cowards. We have Holder as our Attorney General

nyx on November 18, 2009 at 12:44 PM

BTW has anyone else heard that a possible trial venue is Governors Island in New York Harbor? Longtime military base, now owned by the City and State.

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2009 at 12:44 PM

I am a prosecutor, and as a prosecutor my top priority was simply to select the venue where the government will have the greatest opportunity to present the strongest case in the best forum.

… against the Bush administration, the US military, the CIA, and the FBI.

TXUS on November 18, 2009 at 12:44 PM

If my memory serves me correctly, there was a prosecutor in LA, Gil Garcetti, who thought a change of venue for OJ would be a great decision as well. How’d that turn out?

Crimefyter on November 18, 2009 at 12:45 PM

I will remember this quote from you when his lawyer is asking him all about being water-boarded, sleep deprived, etc.

Youngs98 on November 18, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Which are perfectly legitimate questions either in court or in a tribunal.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:46 PM

There were victims on both sides of the 911 attacks on the world trade center and the pentagon?????

paulsur on November 18, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Let’s be intellectually honest here and leave the sophistry to Bleeds Blue and those of his ilk.

Holder was talking about victims who were on the side of military trials and those on the side of civil trials. It’s probably a lie that he gave any consideration to the victims at all and it certainly is a confusing statement considering the adminstration clearly supports Muslim radicals and terrorists over the well-being of Americans.

Nevertheless, Holder hasn’t suggested that he was asking the terrorists what they thought.

highhopes on November 18, 2009 at 12:46 PM

From Pat Buchanan’s pen to God’s ear:
Obama’s insistence to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed outside of a military tribunal will cost him his presidency.

“Are we at war, or not?” WND

maverick muse on November 18, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:44 PM

See the comment by TXUS 12:44 PM

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Is it legal for him to say that?

the_nile on November 18, 2009 at 12:42 PM

This is what Major hushed on earlier this morning. This is a big no no and KSM might have grounds for a mistrial. I said I would really like to know what’s going on.

Ed can you find video of Major on Fox news this morning around 9 saying this.

Brat4life on November 18, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Well, shucks…

In the age of the Obama Nation, I guess it’s time to redfine the word ‘Asanine’.

Original definition:

asinine [ˈæsɪˌnaɪn]
adj
1. Utterly stupid or silly; obstinate
2. Resembling an ass

————————

Obama Nation definition:

asinine [ˈæsɪˌnaɪn]
adj
1. Mentally acute; Showing sound judgment and rationality
2. Resembling an Obama Nation President and Attorney General

.

SilverStar830 on November 18, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Headline comparison parody: Crime! Declared on al-Qaeda and Other 9/11 Terrorists http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/11/crime-declared-on-al-qaeda-and-other.html

Mervis Winter on November 18, 2009 at 12:49 PM

I think there will be tremendous pressure on Obama/Holder and the Justice Department to win a conviction, just as there would be on Obama/the military to win a conviction, but I don’t suspect they will do anything untoward.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:40 PM

You honestly believe that if KSM is found not guilty or there is a mistrial that Obama is going to let him go free?

gwelf on November 18, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Holder was talking about victims who were on the side of military trials and those on the side of civil trials. It’s probably a lie that he gave any consideration to the victims at all and it certainly is a confusing statement considering the adminstration clearly supports Muslim radicals and terrorists over the well-being of Americans.

Nevertheless, Holder hasn’t suggested that he was asking the terrorists what they thought.

highhopes on November 18, 2009 at 12:46 PM

You’re right, of course.

He listened to the majority of the victims, who no doubt wanted military tribunals. He told them to bugger off with his “decision”

And then hhe sided with the “other” 9/11 victims, epitomized by the infamous Jersey Girls.

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2009 at 12:49 PM

From the headlines section on the home page this may not matter at all. Obama has already in the press tried and sentenced them. Emphasis mine.

More Obamateur Hour [Andy McCarthy]

In a meeting with the press in China, President Obama said that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would be “convicted” and had “the death penalty applied to him” . . . and then said he wasn’t “pre-judging” the case. He made the second statement after it was pointed out to him — by NBC’s Chuck Todd — that the first statement would be taken as the president’s interfering in the trial process. Obama said that wasn’t his intention. I’m sure it wasn’t — he’s trying to contain the political damage caused by his decision — but that won’t matter. He has given the defense its first motion that the executive branch, indeed the president himself, is tainting the jury pool. Nice work.

milwife88 on November 18, 2009 at 12:50 PM

I think there will be tremendous pressure on Obama/Holder and the Justice Department to win a conviction, just as there would be on Obama/the military to win a conviction, but I don’t suspect they will do anything untoward.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:40 PM

You honestly think that if KSM is found not guilty or if there is a mistrial that Obama will let him go free?

gwelf on November 18, 2009 at 12:51 PM

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