Holder: I picked criminal court because … I’m really smart

posted at 12:15 pm on November 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Thanks to Scott Johnson at Power Line, we have Attorney General Eric Holder’s explanation of his decision to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in federal court rather than by military tribunals or commissions.  Or do we?  As Scott and Paul Mirengoff note, Eric Holder spends a lot of time in which he claims to explain the decision, and says nothing at all about how he reached it.

I am a prosecutor, and as a prosecutor my top priority was simply to select the venue where the government will have the greatest opportunity to present the strongest case in the best forum.

I studied this issue extensively. I consulted the Secretary of Defense. I heard from prosecutors from my Department and from the Defense Department’s Office of Military Commissions. I spoke to victims on both sides of the question. I asked a lot of questions and weighed every alternative. And at the end of the day, it was clear to me that the venue in which we are most likely to obtain justice for the American people is in federal court.

I know there are members of this committee, and members of the public, who have strong feelings on both sides. There are some who disagree with the decision to try the alleged Cole bomber and several others in a military commission, just as there are some who disagree with prosecuting the 9/11 plotters in federal court. …

This was a tough call, and reasonable people can disagree with my conclusion that these individuals should be tried in federal court rather than a military commission.

The 9/11 attacks were both an act of war and a violation of our federal criminal law, and they could have been prosecuted in either federal courts or military commissions. Courts and commissions are both essential tools in our fight against terrorism.

Therefore, at the outset of my review of these cases, I had no preconceived views as to the merits of either venue, and in fact on the same day that I sent these five defendants to federal court, I referred five others to be tried in military commissions. I am a prosecutor, and as a prosecutor my top priority was simply to select the venue where the government will have the greatest opportunity to present the strongest case in the best forum.

I studied this issue extensively. I consulted the Secretary of Defense. I heard from prosecutors from my Department and from the Defense Department’s Office of Military Commissions. I spoke to victims on both sides of the question. I asked a lot of questions and weighed every alternative. And at the end of the day, it was clear to me that the venue in which we are most likely to obtain justice for the American people is in federal court.

I know there are members of this committee, and members of the public, who have strong feelings on both sides. There are some who disagree with the decision to try the alleged Cole bomber and several others in a military commission, just as there are some who disagree with prosecuting the 9/11 plotters in federal court.

Despite these disagreements, I hope we can have an open, honest, and informed discussion about that decision today, and as part of that discussion, I would like to clear up some of the misinformation that I have seen since Friday.

First, we know that we can prosecute terrorists in our federal courts safely and securely because we have been doing it for years. There are more than 300 convicted international and domestic terrorists currently in Bureau of Prisons custody, including those responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the attacks on our embassies in Africa. Our courts have a long history of handling these cases, and no district has a longer history than the Southern District of New York in Manhattan. I have talked to Mayor Bloomberg of New York, and both he and the Police Commissioner Ray Kelly believe that we can safely hold these trials in New York.

Second, we can protect classified material during trial. The Classified Information Procedures Act, or CIPA, establishes strict rules and procedures for the use of classified information at trial, and we have used it to protect classified information in a range of terrorism cases. In fact, the standards recently adopted by Congress to govern the use of classified information in military commissions are derived from the very CIPA rules that we use in federal court.

Third, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will have no more of a platform to spew his hateful ideology in federal court than he would have in military commissions. Before the commissions last year, he declared the proceedings an “inquisition,” condemned his own attorneys and our Constitution, and professed his desire to become a martyr. Those proceedings were heavily covered in the media, yet few complained at the time that his rants threatened the fabric of our democracy.

Judges in federal court have firm control over the conduct of defendants and other participants in their courtrooms, and when the 9/11 conspirators are brought to trial, I have every confidence that the presiding judge will ensure appropriate decorum. And if KSM makes the same statements he made in his military commission proceedings, I have every confidence the nation and the world will see him for the coward he is. I’m not scared of what KSM will have to say at trial – and no one else needs to be either.

Fourth, there is nothing common about the treatment the alleged 9/11 conspirators will receive. In fact, I expect to direct prosecutors to seek the ultimate and most uncommon penalty for these heinous crimes. And I expect that they will be held in custody under Special Administrative Measures reserved for the most dangerous criminals.

Finally, there are some who have said this decision means that we have reverted to a pre-9/11 mentality, or that we don’t realize this nation is at war. Three weeks ago, I had the honor of joining the President at Dover Air Force Base for the dignified transfer of the remains of eighteen Americans, including three DEA agents, who lost their lives to the war in Afghanistan. The brave soldiers and agents carried home on that plane gave their lives to defend this country and its values, and we owe it to them to do everything we can to carry on the work for which they sacrificed.

I know that we are at war.

I know that we are at war with a vicious enemy who targets our soldiers on the battlefield in Afghanistan and our civilians on the streets here at home. I have personally witnessed that somber fact in the faces of the families who have lost loved ones abroad, and I have seen it in the daily intelligence stream I review each day. Those who suggest otherwise are simply wrong.

Prosecuting the 9/11 defendants in federal court does not represent some larger judgment about whether or not we are at war. We are at war, and we will use every instrument of national power – civilian, military, law enforcement, intelligence, diplomatic, and others – to win. We need not cower in the face of this enemy. Our institutions are strong, our infrastructure is sturdy, our resolve is firm, and our people are ready.

We will also use every instrument of our national power to bring to justice those responsible for terrorist attacks against our people. For eight years, justice has been delayed for the victims of the 9/11 attacks. It has been delayed even further for the victims of the attack on the USS Cole. No longer. No more delays. It is time, it is past time, to act. By bringing prosecutions in both our courts and military commissions, by seeking the death penalty, by holding these terrorists responsible for their actions, we are finally taking ultimate steps toward justice. That is why I made this decision.

In making this and every other decision I have made as Attorney General, my paramount concern is the safety of the American people and the preservation of American values. I am confident this decision meets those goals, and that it will withstand the judgment of history.

Well, that’s great.  But what about the federal court made Holder decide that it was a better venue than military tribunals for KSM and his cohorts?  And what about military tribunals made Holder decide that they would be better venues for other Gitmo detainees?  Nowhere in this long, laborious statement does Holder do what he proposed to do with it, which is to explain why we’re better off with KSM in federal court rather than in the military tribunals that Holder will use for other detainees.

Furthermore, the delays which Holder decries have come courtesy of Congress, the Supreme Court, and the Obama administration.  It took Congress years to finally agree on the military tribunal process, and the Supreme Court threw it out.  The next year, a Democratic Congress created another process, and Gitmo detainees were already scheduled to get that form of justice (including KSM) when Obama stopped the tribunals after taking office.  Now that Holder has transferred the cases to federal court, we can expect years more in delays before we get to voir dire and opening statements, assuming that the judge doesn’t dismiss the case for all sorts of evidentiary issues surrounding the acquisition of intelligence and the physical capture and detention of the defendants.

If Holder wanted to avoid the delays, he would have chosen the tribunals, not the federal court system.  And his assertion that KSM can’t use a federal trial as a propaganda platform is ludicrous.  Zacarias Moussaoui  managed to do it perfectly well despite the supposed power of federal judges to “control” defendants.  KSM is much more adept than Moussaoui, who was considered even by his al-Qaeda colleagues to be a loose cannon.

Finally, let’s look at an example that Holder offers, that of the 1993 trial of Omar Abdel Rahman.  Did that stop al-Qaeda in its tracks?  No, and in fact, it allowed Rahman to use Lynne Stewart as a conductor to further direct terrorism abroad.  The US also used law enforcement to arrest Rahman in the US, which means that their evidentiary chain was more suitable to federal court than a military tribunal — and since Rahman committed his crime while a legal resident of the US, federal court was the only choice the government had.

Holder can’t provide an explanation for this choice because there is no acceptable explanation.  It’s entirely political.

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Holder seems to be deeply afflicted with Professor Irwin Corey syndrome.
MB4 on November 18, 2009 at 1:55 PM

I was thinking Barney Fife

DSchoen on November 18, 2009 at 3:34 PM

“Never has anyone said so little with so many words.”
___________________________________________________________
Has anybody listened to an Ogabe speech lately?

Dopenstrange on November 18, 2009 at 3:44 PM

DEAR Eric Holder:

You have been punked by your advisers. They obviously hate you. Get a clue then get a grip.

With all doodoo respect, sir,

/s/ Everybody with at least half a brain

ExpressoBold on November 18, 2009 at 3:55 PM

BadgerHawk on November 18, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Yes he was, he “inherited” the “tribunal system” he help create and pass as part of Congress.

DSchoen on November 18, 2009 at 3:57 PM

If Bush read the Constitution — instead of those idiotic “unitary executive” memos, he might have gotten it right the first time.
Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:29 PM

A Constitutional military tribunal, what the lib idiots wanted, is an oxymoron.

The military operates under the UCMJ specifically because it does not operate under the Constitution!

BTW, congress and the Bush admin did coble together a so called “Constitutional military tribunal” that they agreed on.

In fact it is that so called “Constitutional military tribunal” that Obama wants to try “other” 911 defendants under.

Your point is both pointless and undermined by the fact that Obama IS going to use
“military tribunals

DSchoen on November 18, 2009 at 4:37 PM

The Dhimmicrats think that is the gift that keeps on giving and that they can play the blame Bush card until at least the 2048 elections, he defendants die natural deaths or the U.S. becomes an Islamic republic.

Annar on November 18, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Holder: I picked criminal court because … I’m really smart

As smart as a snowball!

Hold this Eric: IfWhen the US is attacked again you OWN IT!! Not Bush ! Not Cheney !! YOU!!!
Oh and Obama Bin Laden and the sissy Ballerina Rrrraaaaaaaahhhhhmmmmm!!!

cableguy615 on November 18, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Aside from the fact that everything about this case was and is always going to be political, I’m curious what the expected political benefits of this trial are?
Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Obviously Obama wants to use this to this to try Bush and Co.

Kinda dumb, bound to backfire, however this is the same Admin that thought it was a good idea to go to war with Fox.

DSchoen on November 18, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Holder can’t provide an explanation for this choice because there is no acceptable explanation. It’s entirely political.

The few luny left who will be pleased to see our CIA, FBI, and the whole Bush administration on trial like this will be the only political support Obama leaves office with in three years.

As unhappy as many became over Bush… He was so calm and measured in how he did things. He never pursued a personal agenda when it came to terrorism.

Obama makes Bush look like Einstein!

petunia on November 18, 2009 at 5:05 PM

WASF…

mojo on November 18, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Perhaps we will get a judge who will point out:

‘…that while this is a Federal Crime it is also a War Crime and that jurisdiction has precedence via original capture and that his tribunal result required a full weight of military justice as seen in the Hamden decision. Until such time as that process is finished the defendant is remanded to military custody so that the weight of his war crimes may be established and a verdict rendered. To do otherwise would be to go against the Hamden decision and the process set up by Congress to address war crimes via military justice. So ordered that the defendant is to remanded for the full extent of military justice. Get this man out of my court.’

Ahhh… one can dream that someone will do their job at a federal level…

ajacksonian on November 18, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Obama and Holder are two peas in a narcissistic pod
all the ‘I’s , they think the very virtue of their own existence somehow changes reality

ginaswo on November 18, 2009 at 5:19 PM

All right, here’s the plan;

You take 1st platoon over there. Make sure you read the Miranda warning clearly over the bullhorn…don’t want any of that 2nd battalion crap happening here.

You, wait for 1st platoon to signal. When he does, you open up with a warning mortar barrage…10 rounds of duds. Then, we’ll ask them to come out. If they don’t, we’ll pull out in echelon back to the river and re-group.

Ready? Hooah!

BobMbx on November 18, 2009 at 5:20 PM

The insane have taken over the asylum. We are so f**ked.

docdave on November 18, 2009 at 5:29 PM

This episode will make an interesting chapter in Holder’s tell-all book.

BHO Jonestown on November 18, 2009 at 5:35 PM

The OJ trial cured me of my faith in the judicial system.

Sloan Morganstern on November 18, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Repeat but needed
watch this on HBO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5NgA0Qwx94
specially if you like reality shows

macncheez on November 18, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Now that Holder has transferred the cases to federal court, we can expect years more in delays before we get to voir dire and opening statements, assuming that the judge doesn’t dismiss the case for all sorts of evidentiary issues surrounding the acquisition of intelligence and the physical capture and detention of the defendants.

When the cases get thrown out then what?
Not if but when the case is tossed for using evidence from a poisoned source I suggest Mr. Holder and company board the fastest plane to parts unknown.

chemman on November 18, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Holder also said:

This was a tough call, and reasonable people can disagree with my conclusion that these individuals should be tried in federal court rather than a military commission.

(my emphasis)

I thought it was unamerican to disagree with this decision…isn’t he listening to Rep. Moran?

Blaise on November 18, 2009 at 5:46 PM

Couldn’t any attorney for KSM worth his salt easily file for a change of venue on the grounds he couldn’t get a fair trial in NY? Asking anyone American whether they heard of 9-11 attacks would surely result in a positive answer and such would make the possibility of a fair trial any where a tough bet, no? All I would have to do is ask ‘where you upset by the attacks?’. They say yes, of course and I can argue that I cannot find an impartial jury. Maybe I am misguided but that point hasn’t been raised with all the talk of amendment rights.

Thunderstorm129 on November 18, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Newspeakapalooza

Army Brat on November 18, 2009 at 5:56 PM

I

f Bush read the Constitution — instead of those idiotic “unitary executive” memos, he might have gotten it right the first time.
Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:29 PM

As if you gave a damn about the Constitution.

Terrye on November 18, 2009 at 6:00 PM

In the not too distant future, a man was blatantly coerced into confessing to murder. During the trial, the defense motions the confession stricken because the confession was made under blatant coercion and the accused retracts his confession. The prosecution argues that United States vs. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed sets the precedence that a blatant coerced confession is admissible regardless of retraction.

Eric Holder just made an Unconstitutional decision to try an Enemy Combatant we are War with in a civilian court.

BDU-33 on November 18, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Every hellfire needs to have the Miranda statement stenciled on the casing, or we are in deep legal doo-doo.

unclesmrgol on November 18, 2009 at 6:31 PM

ONLY AN IDIOT TELLS HIS/HER AUDIENCE THAT HE IS NOT AN IDIOT

A SMART PERSON NEVER TELLS IT SINCE IT SHOULD BE CLEAR FROM HIS/HER ACTIONS

CONCLUSION: THIS PROOFS THAT HOLDER IS AN IDIOT

mooseburger on November 18, 2009 at 6:39 PM

Mr. Holder, you are a TRAITOR. Period. End of discussion. You and those like you have given aid and comfort to the enemy both with this plan and your assistance in thwarting justice given to those at Gitmo.

I hope, honestly I do, someday to see YOU on trial for YOUR misdeeds against this country.

This is not something I take lightly. I hate all the “He should be put on trial for this or that.” you hear on both sides of the political debate. But this man’s history has earned him a nice seat at the defendant’s table. I sincerely hope he gets it some day.

Mad Mad Monica on November 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM

The insane have taken over the asylum. We are so f**ked.

docdave on November 18, 2009 at 5:29 PM

+1

And did anyone ask Holder about his not being able to try any of these charming terrorist because he worked for the law firm that represented 18 GITMO criminals? KSM is going to be able to poke holes through this guy like Swiss cheese. I am with Rush, every single day I believe they are going to get off and we are going to be attacked because of this.

freeus on November 18, 2009 at 6:52 PM

What an effing disgrace this clown Holder is. He makes my skin crawl.

Trust in the Justice System? Not with HIM at the helm. This cretin is the same one who had to apologize to Congress for HIS involvement in pardoning FALN Terrorist and Marc Rich under the Clinton Administration. That’s what HIS track record says!

Disgrazia!

(also posted in another Holder thread…)

Gob on November 18, 2009 at 6:54 PM

If Bush read the Constitution — instead of those idiotic “unitary executive” memos, he might have gotten it right the first time.
Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Funny considering this administration and your lack of outrage.

CWforFreedom on November 18, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Affirmative Action strikes again.

So smart. So wunnerful, wunnerful, wunnerful!!!! All his diversity professors told him so.

viking01 on November 18, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Holder, you sonofabitch, you picked criminal court because you KNOW this will be a farce.

nelsonknows on November 18, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Holder really gets off on calling other people cowards.

Django on November 18, 2009 at 7:14 PM

If Bush read the Constitution — instead of those idiotic “unitary executive” memos, he might have gotten it right the first time.
Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Don’t lie, Holder doesn’t have jurisdiction, the UCMJ has jurisdiction in this matter and to try these animals in civilian court is ILLEGAL.
You WANT a mockery made out of this, just admit it.

nelsonknows on November 18, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Wife House
Green Phone rings( ringtone= “allah-o-akbar hussain rahbar ya ali”)

Sheikh Hussain ( =SH) : As-salamalekum

Jihadi from Pookystan (JP): wallaekum assalam brotha. So whats up. I saw our attorney answering questions about our jihadi brothers, don’t you have that attoney-client thing in your country ?

SH : We have it but Holder is not your attorney anymore. I mean he is, ahm was, er you whatamsayin

JP : So can I count on it that he will keep his mouth shut about our jihadi intentions

SH : I give you my word. Why else did I setup this phoneline with you all before announcing the KSM trial

JP : Oh I believe you But I’m worried about your congress. They listen to a lot of unwanted stuff

SH : I’ve taken care of them , don’t worry

JP : You couldn’t even get your health bill done, and what about your capntrade ? We read Huffpo too you know

SH : Things take time. I have to save some distractions for when the trials get underway. I plan to do my Hajj during those days to avoid answering questions

JP : Anyone being nasty to you ? We can take care of that

SH : Nothing SEIU can’t handle. Yet

JP : Remember brother, we are always there for you

SH : I know and inshallah we will get through this trial together and come out stronger

JP : Inshaallah ,I’ll be watching very closely. Anything you need, just let us know

SH : Just keep in touch. So what does the ‘sheikh’ say about me? Does he ever mention me?

JP : He watches you all the time on MSNBC. He starts his morning with Hardball in fact.That reminds me. Can you arrange to send Rachel over to us. We all like her . A lot.

SH : Er she doesn’t go that way. But I can send Olby over, he goes both ..

JP : sure, no problem. Anyway time for my prayers. Gottago
Khudahafiz

SH : Khudahafiz. And don’t worry about Holder. Your secrets are safe with him. Give my regards to the sheikh and doctor. Say salam to mullah for me.
Click

macncheez on November 18, 2009 at 7:35 PM

I spoke to victims on both sides of the question

Huh? Who are the opposing victims? How can there be victims on both sides of the question?

This odd looking man makes no sense.

This entire episode is an end run on Bush/Cheney and their policies of enhanced interrogations. Holder and Obowma are just that desperate I’m afraid.

FireBlogger on November 18, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Holder: I spoke to victims on both sides of the question.

What the h*ll does “victims on both sides of the question” mean? What victims is he referring to? The accused? What are “both sides of the question”? That phrasing is deliberately ambiguous.

If KSM’s targets were the symbols and seats of our capitalism and our government as were the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the (intended) White House, how is this to be interpreted as anything other than an act of war.

After all of the dillydallying brought on by the pro bono attorneys for the incarcerated at Gitmo, the Supreme Court and Congress approved the use of military tribunals as appropriate judiciary venues for the detainees.

What recourse is there to reverse this politicization and perversion of justice by Holder and ObaMao?

onlineanalyst on November 18, 2009 at 7:41 PM

His genius boss Obama just said in an interview that KSM would be found guilty, and that the death penalty would be applied……just great, immediate grounds for a mistrial.

And this moron taught constitutional law. We’re doomed.

PatriotRider on November 18, 2009 at 12:25 PM

It looks as if “his genius boss” is jumping to conclusions.

onlineanalyst on November 18, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Deep down, they want the case to be a forum against Bush, Republicans, the right, torture, etc.

Deep down, they want the case to be a show.

And deep down, ultimately I believe they want the case to be thrown out, dismissed, mistrial, whatever.

catmman on November 18, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Deep down, this whole crew wants the prior administration to be tried in the World Court because ObaMao’s true believers are transnationalists. They are determined to cede our national sovereignty to a world government.

onlineanalyst on November 18, 2009 at 7:50 PM

OBAMA DETERMINED TO STRIKE INSIDE US

BobMbx on November 18, 2009 at 8:21 PM

KSM will walk. This has been the point from the beginning.

He is, of course, innocent as a babe.

Rightist: How do you know that?
Leftist: Who put him in jail in the first place?
R: George Bush.
L: Well, d’oh!

The mechanism doesn’t matter — mistrial because of prejudgement (comment above, missed the name) or the obvious “rules of evidence” scam. If the attorneys weren’t lusting after all that wonderful Federal money — you don’t think this guy’s paying for his own lawyers, do you? — they’d already be formatting the Motion to Dismiss. It’s probably somewhere on a hard drive back at the office, just waiting to be printed out.

As for “why Federal court?” –

L: (indignantly) We give people fair trials in this country!
R: So why isn’t a military tribunal a fair trial?
L: What was that adjective there?
R: “military”
L: Well, d’oh!

Because, you see, there are only two sorts of people in the military: nasty bloodthirsty killbots, and poor people who couldn’t get a job from the greedy capitalists, and who are trying to evade the notice of the killbots long enough to qualify for the benefits. Therefore, if it’s military it ain’t justice. (Note: no public-figure leftists will say that right out loud. Check the comments at Kos et. al., though.)

As for keeping him in jail even if he isn’t convicted — that’s just a lie; it ain’t gonna happen. Declared innocent of all charges, expenses paid for the trip home and the victory parade. I don’t think His Oliness will cab him home in Air Force One, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened.

And when the families of the 9/11 victims complain, they’ll one and all shrug their shoulders. “Not our fault that Bush tainted all the evidence.” You already saw the first ranging shots of that, above (the “unitary executive” snark).

Regards,
Ric

warlocketx on November 18, 2009 at 8:45 PM

In making this and every other decision I have made as Attorney General, my paramount concern is the safety of the American people and the preservation of American values.

Right.
Like taking down those Black Panther dudes who blocked…oh wait

faol on November 18, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Prediction :
KSM’s lawyers will demand a psych exam for their client
The judge will order one
KSM will be examined by Nidal Hasan
and will be diagnosed to be suffering from PTSD
KSM pleads to lifelong psych-care
US taxpayers pay for his mental-health care in Palau

macncheez on November 18, 2009 at 8:55 PM

Holder and Oblahblah the bozo brothers have preempted any chance for a fair trial. Spouting off with their bad boy bad ass ‘We gonna lynch KSM’ bullshit virtually prevents a fair trial anywhere in the US!

sonnyspats1 on November 18, 2009 at 8:56 PM

The silver lining to all this is that this will destroy Obama’s presidency chances in 2012.

Pat Buchanan said this, and he’s absolutely right.

I have been saying for weeks now that anyone who can sit and chew gum at the same time will beat Obama in 2012 because EVERYONE will be hit economically where they live, Republican or Democrat. This trial is just a security nail in Obama’s political coffin for his reelection in 2012. I’m giving odds now against his being reelected, any takers?

Danzo

Danzo on November 18, 2009 at 8:57 PM

Now that this decision has been made, the choice for all those who hold to the rule of law should be clear: we must demand, repeat demand, despite our reluctance to do so, the this man, this villain, this soldier in a war be granted all the rights and privileges as any other common and petty criminal before the bench.

Up to, and including, that he be released from custody if he is acquitted. This, in fact, should be our principal demand. Not because we wish him released, of course. No, but for this reason: we wish to maintain a rigid firewall between those methods necessary in the sometimes-Hobbesian international world outside our borders, and the ones used domestically that have shown to be protective against governmental tyranny. The first are methods of state used for the national defense; the second are methods designed for protection of domestic liberty.

The methods of the courts of the United States are there to protect the citizen from his government, for those that run a government are not necessarily angels. But the world outside our borders is not a necessarily-domesticated arena; it is violent; it is ruthless; and it sometimes requires a virtuous but hard-edged and calculating application of power–a power that would be tyrannical if used at home.

Thus, we should demand that this man, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, be granted every grace and aid in his defense, not for his benefit, certainly–and not because it is justice, for it certainly would be not.

No, it should be done so that the American criminal system does not become a tool of statecraft, does not have for it results foreordained by politicians; does not have corruption entered into it; does not become a tool of calculating politicians, as it comes too close to being these days (especially if the defendant perchance be a Republican).

It should be done so that it becomes clear that the American criminal justice system is not an effective tool of statecraft for the global stage; does not strengthen the national defense, but weakens it if used against foreign enemies who engage us as soldiers; and that those who have repeatedly called for its use are either pie-in-the-sky fantasists with no clear understanding that soldiers fight to overthrow nations, not be vindicated by their court systems; or are those who do not argue in good faith if an administration of political feelings opposed to them is in power, and they find that they need a convenient talking point to bludgeon that administration they are opposed to with.

Thus, like John Adams in 1770, it is the duty of all liberty-loving Americans to not only insure that this man, Mohammed, gets the fairest trial possible, but that he be acquitted and freed–for it seems inconceivable that the methods of the battlefield that have resulted in Mohammed’s capture, detention, and questioning will meet that standard of police procedure that normally meets the approval of the courts; nor does it seem likely that normally for a case like this the pre-trial publicity would allow for an untainted jury pool.

Thus, merely to hear this case and send it to a jury the court will most likely have to clap a telescope to its supposedly blind eye of justice and declare that it sees no legal issue there–when there clearly would be for a normal civilian trial on the equivalent charge, say like that held for Timothy McVeigh. That trial, if otherwise equal to this one–would it not most likely be found that much of the evidence could be put under attack, that the police procedure made to be viewed as troubled and perhaps fradulent, and the venue ruled unsuitable due to pre-trial publicity and prejudicial statements from the government? And yet for Mohammed’s trial these problems seemingly won’t exist. Thus, not only will the blind eye of justice not be blind, for Mohammed’s trial to even proceed it will most clearly see what is expected of it.

Giving the court the choice of either corrupting the law and doing the thing of justice, or upholding the law and corrupting the justice, is no-fit choice at all. No judge should have to balance this high wire act of the administration’s own making. But here soon sits the case now before a court, and a choice will have to be made. Do we corrupt the law to gain justice today, and perhaps lose both international statecraft and domestic justice tomorrow?

No. It is our duty to assist in the defense of Mohammed, so that we maintain the idea that American courts are for domestic use only, and are not to be corrupted as means of poltics or statecraft; and that until that halcyon day, perhaps never to be realized, when a larger governmental unit is with us and able to take responsibility for such things, affairs of war upon the United States should not be treated as criminal affairs, but affairs of state requiring a forum that is more suited to the nature of the offense, while retaining a virtuous and just form becoming of the dignity of a civilized republic. Such a forum we apparently have, and such a forum we should use, not the criminal justice system.

Horatius on November 18, 2009 at 9:16 PM

The prosecution argues that United States vs. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed sets the precedence that a blatant coerced confession is admissible regardless of retraction.

My understanding of the enhanced interrogations is that they were designed to gather intelligance, not confessions.

onlineanalyst on November 18, 2009 at 9:17 PM

What a dangerous baffoon Holder is. I really hope our country survives the gallery of idiots currently at its helm.

Wine_N_Dine on November 18, 2009 at 9:28 PM

There is a difference between smart and smarmy.

bbh on November 18, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Blabbering idiot.

I would also like to point out to conservatives here that it is wrong to call these guys enemy combatants or that we are in a war. This must be stated as a “war against terrorists”.

These vermin don’t classify as war criminals. They don’t belong to armies. So Geneva rules don’t apply. Also they are not criminals. They are not US Citizen. So they should not get any privileges extended to Americans. He should be executed right away. These terrorists don’t have a right to a trial. If somebody here thinks these terrorists have a right to anything please explain.

KSM was arrested from Rawalpindi in Pakistan. There is no war going on against Pakistan.

GITMO and Military tribunals were created just for such terrorists.

PS: I think he should be taken to 35,000 feet and set free. Easy, cheap and effective.

antisocial on November 18, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Horatius on November 18, 2009 at 9:16 PM

You are a fool. STFU.

The enemy is not entitled to the same rights as OJ.

Really Right on November 18, 2009 at 10:47 PM

KSM wants to plead guilty and be executed by military court.

Smart Holder knows better.

This is not the meaning of the word “smart” used in any dictionary known on this world.

On the Bizarro world, maybe.

Thanks for the smart AG Obama, you spit for brains moron.

profitsbeard on November 18, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Obama and the radical lefties want to put Bush & Co. and the CIA on trial for “war crimes.” They have been demanding this for years. The idea of a witch-hunt in the CIA got shot down pretty quick, so a civil trial in NY is how they have decided that they will do it. It makes no sense any other way you shake it out.
They are willing to gamble on the fate of the man who planned the 911 terrorist attack just so they can make sure that world (the world of lefties, that is,) gets a good accounting of how Bush and Cheney and the CIA are meanies and they can try to score political points.
This should make all Americans VERY afraid!

shorebird on November 18, 2009 at 11:38 PM

A Constitutional military tribunal, what the lib idiots wanted, is an oxymoron.

The military operates under the UCMJ specifically because it does not operate under the Constitution!

DSchoen on November 18, 2009 at 4:37 PM

The military is definitly not a democracy.

Johan Klaus on November 19, 2009 at 12:22 AM

The enemy is not entitled to the same rights as OJ.

Really Right on November 18, 2009 at 10:47 PM

That is why he should be tried in a tribunal, so that our civilian courts do not become corrupted.

Johan Klaus on November 19, 2009 at 12:27 AM

The enemy is not entitled to the same rights as OJ.

Really Right on November 18, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Agreed, but, if I read his post right:
Horatius is saying that, if it is held in a civilian court, we’ve got to be sure no precedent is established that would allow the government to proclaim someone not-guilty and then continue holding them after the trial because they’re deemed “dangerous to society”. It’s a good point because it wouldn’t be more than a generation before Pelosi pointed at some of us “teabaggers” and said, “You know, I’ve been thinking…”

rogerb on November 19, 2009 at 1:43 AM

When do the trials for Holder and Obama start for violating the Constitution and treason?
There’s ONE end to this, ONE VALID end and that’s Obama and Holder at the end of a rope.

nelsonknows on November 19, 2009 at 1:55 AM

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

I wonder how long until these islamic jihadists are released into the us population and then they start to go around killing people again..
I wonder if this dumb ass would be so nice..
if they killed his family
if they raped his daughter before beheading her..

I wonder would he be so nice if it was his own families lives on the line.
Somehow knowing the chicken shit democrats and liberals

I doubt it..

veteranoutrage on November 19, 2009 at 2:32 AM

I am sure that since Obamao has pronounced KM and the co-conspirators of 9/11 guilty and as their executioner, already has the power to carry out the sentence.

This will be his ‘swan song’, 3 years down the road while putting us all through a miasma of bullshit in the public arena all the while attempting to redefine the jurisprudence of out America.

It will be used as the final appeal to delegates to give him 4-more-years since He gave them the death penalty despite what his base wanted, appeals be damned.

Hey, jugsie, do us all a favor and do it now, sans the sideshow of snake oil you like to pedal and quit dithering.

They are guilty and in desperate need of
paradise.

Do it now, before they are on CONUS.

OkieDoc on November 19, 2009 at 3:14 AM

His explaination is, as usual, a lot of package with nothing inside. It’s not good to humor or tolerate people who seek to weaken, if not outright, destroy, America. Far too many still don’t get it, or far too many “think” they want it -the Nanny State.

You can’t win a baseball game with a nerfball bat –we need to get much tougher with these guys. To back down when you call the president a liar, is hardly tough. Time to, at the very least, start using truthful language with the same impunity they use language to deceive -purple shirts be damned.

Don L on November 19, 2009 at 5:58 AM

milwife88 on November 18, 2009 at 12:50 PM

I\’m confused. It would seem that someone who taught constitutional law would know not to poison the case like that. There are so many things wrong with this decision it\’s hard to wrap my head around it.

Ann NY on November 19, 2009 at 7:01 AM

The way Sen. Graham smacked Holder down proves that Obama and Holder are both incoherent and that Bush got it dead right the first time. There is no precident for “trying” enemy combatants in Article 3 courts with the same Constitutional rights as American citizens.

What Obama and Holder are attempting to do is to undermine American civil rights and making terrorists/war criminals the moral equivalent of citizens. This is the insanity of Anti-American leftists on display. The American people will not stand for this.

BottomLine5 on November 19, 2009 at 7:04 AM

When you elevate men to posts to which they are clearly unqualified, your good intentions don’t matter.

Incompetence exposed, and it is becoming more clear every day just how incompetent Obama is, will be your downfall.

thgrant on November 19, 2009 at 7:45 AM

Bill Bennett’s position is that there is absolutely no logic and no standing whatsoever to substantiate Holder’s fiasco. Islamic Pigs Fly

Bill Bennett’s interviews confronting Holder’s prosecute-Bush/ACLU-”trust me” decision included Bill Krystol and Congressman Pete Hoekstra this morning.

As with all on yesterday’s Fred Thompson Show, EVERYONE unanimously agrees that Lindsey Graham roped Holder by the horns.

maverick muse on November 19, 2009 at 8:07 AM

The Bennett bet is that Holder’s going to be forced to reconsider his death wish on America.

maverick muse on November 19, 2009 at 8:08 AM

maverick muse on November 19, 2009 at 8:08 AM

I sure hope so!

cmsinaz on November 19, 2009 at 8:19 AM

I liked Kyl’s logic the best. Why try a guy who’s confessed?Go straight to sentencing.

I just saved the feds millions in NYC security costs.

BuckeyeSam on November 19, 2009 at 8:24 AM

Barnum and Bailey would be proud……..

JoeinTX on November 19, 2009 at 8:27 AM

Heard the clip of this clown being “interviewed” by that Jim Lehrer about this. No challenge by Lehrer on any of the idiotic “reasoning.” No “Are you kidding me?!” in response Holder’s preposterous statement that he hadn’t talked to his boss about it. But when asked who he did speak to and he mentioned his brother, the retired Port Authority officer, Lehrer let out this little delighted squeal.

Now that’s hard-hitting journalism.

curved space on November 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM

A Constitutional military tribunal, what the lib idiots wanted, is an oxymoron.

The military operates under the UCMJ specifically because it does not operate under the Constitution!

DSchoen on November 18, 2009 at 4:37 PM

The military is definitly not a democracy.

Johan Klaus on November 19, 2009 at 12:22 AM

On the contrary, our Military operates WITHIN the Constitutional Republic precisely as it has to date since our Revolution, the Great Cause, and never as a democracy. Even our Constitutional Republic that the USA exists as amalgamates a democratic republic. Not every segment within our government operates under the same circumstances. Our Military organized subsequently to our Declaration of Independence, but predates our Constitution. Hence, the Military has its own construct and regimen. The Constitution that was defined years following our victory against subjugation by the British monarchy and parliament, made provisions for our Military to function as a proper military force under the tradition of authority as vested by the Constitution.

Btw, Sen. Graham was a military lawyer in the Air Force and speaks as one with authority according to the LAW.

Holder, AG, is an ACLU wannabe big shot who bit off more than he can legitimately chew, and who is effect functioning HIMSELF as a terrorist within the construct of our Constitutional Republic, destroying the balance of powers, destroying the function of the Judicial Branch and terrorizing the American citizenry with his own radical agenda.

Pres. Obama is TAINTING the evidence against terrorists by calling legal harsh interrogation techniques “torture”, paving the way for the dismissal of evidence as “tainted” just as Bill Ayers’ prosecution was dismissed because his lawyers argued evidence to convict had been “tainted”.

COWARD HOLDER
COWARD OBAMA
Traitors of Justice

How are those NYC liberal progressives embracing their vote for CHANGE?! How does “We will NEVER forget” mesh with Obama’s “Quit complaining and get in line” antipathy for America expressed by his administration’s conspiracy to coerce a civil trial for the terrorist who masterminded and participated in the destruction of 9/11/01? Liberalism is a mental disorder. The NYC liberal voters bear the onus to right their ship and nip this ACLU travesty in the bud. They want closure, they’d better rope in and corral their own madmen and prevent their own loose canons from unleashing MORE evil.

Obama failed to chest his cards on this gamble. This Obama/Holder determination to destroy our Judicial Branch will in turn destroy our entire nation’s self defense. And though Obama, Inc. hold at the moment the keys of authority, they do NOT have popular support, and they do NOT stand on the law. Rather, Obama is burning the law and fiddling in Asia while our nation burns as if he won’t get scorched.

maverick muse on November 19, 2009 at 8:46 AM

DSchoen on November 18, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Johan Klaus on November 19, 2009 at 12:22 AM

My point being, though the Military does not function according to Constitutional Civil Law, it functions under the Constitution according to their own construct as you both point out their unique status, rules and traditions.

Just as our Constitutional Rights necessarily apply to US Citizens (not foreigners), protection according to international treaties like the Geneva Convention apply according to that treaty, and no further just as no less than what the treaty stipulates.

maverick muse on November 19, 2009 at 8:53 AM

The Bennett bet is that Holder’s going to be forced to reconsider his death wish on America.–maverick muse on November 19, 2009 at 8:08 AM

I sure hope so!–cmsinaz on November 19, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Ironically, via his own decision, Holder has served his own head to America on a silver platter.

He must step down. He has lost ALL credibility. America will NOT swallow this, no matter how Obama serves it. And if Obama remains tied to Holder, Obama’s going to provide America with his own impeachment.

maverick muse on November 19, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Yet another example of affirmative action gone wrong. You’re unqualified to issue dog licenses, tool………..

adamsmith on November 19, 2009 at 9:09 AM

AG Holder would set precedence: to revise the prosecution as a second defense having dismissed the terrorism charges against the defendants, and tainting all grounds for evidence into defense material. This international terrorist is going to a civil court where he will not be prosecuted, but doubly defended.

When asked why, Clinton responded, “Because I could.”

YES WE CAN!
THAT’S CHANGE NYC CAN BELIEVE IN?

America refuses to accept the Obama-Holder decision.

maverick muse on November 19, 2009 at 9:11 AM

SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM, (R-S.C): Can you give me a case in United States history where a enemy combatant caught on a battlefield was tried in civilian court?

ERIC HOLDER, ATTORNEY GENERAL: I don’t know. I’d have to look at that. I think that, you know, the determination I’ve made –

GRAHAM: We’re making history here, Mr. Attorney General. I’ll answer it for you. The answer is no.

HOLDER: Well, I think –

GRAHAM: The Ghailani case — he was indicted for the Cole bombing before 9/11. And I didn’t object to it going into federal court. But I’m telling you right now. We’re making history and we’re making bad history. And let me tell you why.

J_Crater on November 19, 2009 at 9:28 AM

You sowed Affirmative Action votes, America? You reap the Affirmative Action whirlwind.

Yephora on November 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Aside from the fact that everything about this case was and is always going to be political, I’m curious what the expected political benefits of this trial are?

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM

This is easy to understand. the Liberal spin on terrorism is that it is a criminal act, not an act of war. Trying them in civilian court is only to reinforce that line of thought. The libs want to fight terrorism with police, not military. If they try them in military tribunals, they reinforce the Bush stance. Simple.

I firmly believe they are full of crap, and will do more harm than good, especially since they have to show some sort of constitutional protection of the defendants to pull this off. That to me is a bastardization of or legal system, and may blow up in thier faces, leaving us covered in thier feces.

Phil-351 on November 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM

When asked what actions inspired his decision Holder replied:

“A coyote in a Road Runner episode.”

viking01 on November 19, 2009 at 10:04 AM

The libs want to fight terrorism with police, not military.

Phil-351 on November 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM

They are the most twisted sophists ever to corrupt the face of the earth. Those libs would also unleash a authoritarian militarized police force (DHS) against conservative citizens they already are depriving of Constitutional Rights extended to international terrorists.

maverick muse on November 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM

You know … holding such a public trial, in New York no less is a great al Qaeda recruiting tool.

darwin on November 19, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Congress has the authority to set jurisdiction for the federal courts and they should revoke this decision. AG Holder should not be allowed to make or participate in any decision regarding terrorists because his law firm has been involved in trying to represent most of these scumbags at Gitmo.

Sporty1946 on November 19, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Terrorists tried in civilian courts will be entitled to the whole panoply of legal protections any American charged with a crime (key word crime – not an act of war against the USA), such as the presumption of innocence, the right to a fair trial, the right to exclude evidence obtained in violation of Miranda rights, the right to a speedy trial, the right to confront one’s accusers, the right to a change of venue, the right to examine the evidence against you, and the right to subpoena witnesses and evidence in one’s defense.

Members of Congress have it in their power to put an end to this lunacy right now. If they don’t, they are as complicit in Mohammed’s civilian trial as the president. Article I, Section 8, and Article III, Section 1 of the Constitution give Congress the power to establish the jurisdiction of the lower federal courts and to create exceptions to that jurisdiction.

Congress could pass a statute limiting federal court jurisdiction to individuals not subject to trial before a military tribunal. if not, then they have more Rights then our own military.
Ah, the unexpected Consequences

blue1 on November 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Is it legal for him to say that?

the_nile on November 18, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Sure it’s “legal”. I’m sure KSM’s attorney wants Barry and Holder to keep talking. Heaven forbid we jump to any conclusions about the outcome.

Fed45 on November 19, 2009 at 12:22 PM

When asked what actions inspired his decision Holder replied:

“A coyote in a Road Runner episode.”. “I watch a lot of “Law and Order”. I also greatly admire Lionel Hutz”

viking01 on November 19, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Fed45 on November 19, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Let’s see:
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– Eric Holder, before he became Attorney General, worked at Covington & Burling.
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– Covington & Burling represents, pro bono or otherwise, represents fifteen Yemenis being held at Guantanamo Bay.
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– This “otherwise” representation might involve Middle Eastern money, that tracks back to Kuwait; there are occasional rumors to this effect.
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So, what are the chances that Holder has recommended the change to Federal court, in order to increase the chances that the cases are thrown out, on some technicality, and the financiers, if any, of the Yemenis, get their clients back, still young, alive and in one piece.
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My guess is that one or more of the Yemenis are related to wealthy Yemenis or know too much about something that affects the powerful of Yemen (or both).
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There was a Norwegian model, a few years ago, found dead shortly after a young Yemeni that she had been “dating” left her hotel/apartment and returned to Yemen, where Norwegian police could not and still cannot touch him, even though his father claims he’s completely innocent.
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Is there a chance that Holder is trying to safeguard some personal financial arrangement, or maybe protect / pay back Covington & Burling?

Arbalest on November 19, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Hey Eric,

Keep f**kin that chicken.

Sincerely,

OHV

Old Hippie Vet on November 19, 2009 at 1:03 PM

maverick muse on November 19, 2009 at 8:59 AM

roger that

cmsinaz on November 19, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Holder: I picked criminal court because … I’m really smart

Somehow I imagine an underachieving 5th grader is smarter than you bub.

Yakko77 on November 19, 2009 at 1:48 PM

OMG…you will all be happy….I am speechless.

keldog on November 19, 2009 at 2:42 PM

I doubt it. The pressure here is to win a conviction. Stakes are too high for political grandstanding.

Bleeds Blue on November 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM

These dirtbags were set to plead guilty in a military commission 11 months ago, until this administration decided to put a hold on the entire thing.

How would that not have been a guaranteed conviction?

VekTor on November 19, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Holder isn’t trying the Cole bombers in civilian court because it happened, um, when? Who was President? Wouldn’t want Billy boy stained again.

Then 9/11 came under Bush’s watch (though it was planned – and financed – under that other guy’s watch).

This will be a monkey trial, with Bush and Cheney as the defacto defendants. Secrets will get out, and Bin Laden will be informed again (see trial of blind sheik). These asshats are willing to get Americans killed to trash the GOP (who the left see’s as the real enemy).

And America will be attacked again. Who knows how many how many will die this time. Please, oh please, let it be in one of our liberal bastions. That would just be like they lanced a big pimple, anyway.

Squiggy on November 20, 2009 at 6:45 AM

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