Comments on: Stupak: Don’t test me on abortion, Democrats

By: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Breaking: Senate defeats Nelson’s anti-abortion ObamaCare amendment

Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:05:45 +0000

[...] amendment that passed the House, has sworn up and down that his pro-life coalition will kill the final bill if the abortion language ended up being watered down. If he’s true to his word, not only is [...]

By: Blacksmith8

Blacksmith8 — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:03:28 +0000

I’m beginning to believe that the ‘rats are making this into a poison pill to get out from under Obamacare without having to vote the bastard down. It’s hard to see how the pace of the legislative process isn’t going to run right into the 2010 elections and what Congressman wants the voters to remember that they voted for federally funding abortion or sending people to jail for not having health insurance? Even Jim Moran isn’t that stupid and he’s as dumb as they come.

highhopes on November 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM

When you’re right, you’re right. Remember above all else stinking lib congress critters are self serving first, last, and always. If they feel threatened they find a way out. Our only hope is PeloNAZI mis-mangling the calendar and not having enough time to bribe enough votes.

By: Health Care BS - THE STUPAK PARTY

Health Care BS - THE STUPAK PARTY — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:03:36 +0000

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By: Do The Bartman « Around The Sphere

Do The Bartman « Around The Sphere — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:49:08 +0000

[...] Ed Morrissey: After the House adopted the Pelosi Plan for ObamaCare with the Stupak amendment barring any federal funds for abortion coverage, Democrats attempted to assuage pro-abortion advocates by committing to changing the language in conference committee. Even the White House got in on the act, with David Axelrod promising that Bart Stupak’s language would be “adjusted” before any bill came to the Oval Office. Today on Fox News, Stupak threatened to kill the bill entirely if Democrats “adjusted” his amendment — and took a shot at David Axelrod as well [...]

By: ‘…Mr. Axelrod’s not a legislator; he doesn’t really know what he’s talking about.’ | WTF?! Obama

Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:15:34 +0000

[...] Hot Air for the video. Stupak claims to have more than enough votes to shut down any final version that removes his [...]

By: veteranoutrage

veteranoutrage — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:52:01 +0000

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again

You cannot be a liberal, and be pro life..
Not without pissing off every liberal in the entire usa..

So i wouldnt call this a fault line hell no
i would call it a line in the sand
and its gonna be interesting to see
how they try to hide it..

How much you wanna bet they will do something like

you can only have an abortion if you live in mozambique
and am an american citizen

Pass some bs like this knowing full well
the supreme court would then rule
you cant deny other poor desperate americans this same RIGHT
thats allowed in mozambique..

and volla
there ya go
an abortion option paid for by obami nazi care
all funded by the us tax payer
and even thought they put in language to stop it
they just bypassed it..

This is why no one trusts congress
and personally why i will not ever ever obey any laws this administration passes..

why should i
They are using the legal system to SCREW the us citizenry
and rape the treasury all to buy off political power.

I think a revolt is comming real soon..

By: nondhimmie

nondhimmie — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:36:59 +0000

Anyway of getting out of this in 2010 and 2012?

By: capejasmine

capejasmine — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:28:55 +0000

ncconservative on November 17, 2009 at 5:12 PM

I agree. If this is Stupaks only issue, then we’re doomed with, or without funding abortions. This bill needs to die. I guess that idiot was right. I’m a conservative, and I want this bill to die, and die quickly!

By: kelley in virginia

kelley in virginia — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:55:49 +0000

why should the Dems worry about losing the Catholic vote? is this because Splash is dead? no one to lead them? isn’t Pelosi Catholic?

By: jdp629

jdp629 — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:42:54 +0000

I don’t often get a chance to credit Democrats, but Bart Stupak is doing a great service to our country, IMhO. He’s taking a principled stand – win or lose – which is something I wish the so-called “fiscally conservative” Republicans had done during the first 6 years of the Bush presidency. And, if he’s got 10-20 Dems to vote against the bill without his amendment (plus Cao, who I don’t think would vote for the bill without it), it will be very difficult for the thing to pass in the House, which is good.

By: Yoop

Yoop — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:39:10 +0000

That’s what is nice about Stupak coming from Michigan. Please explain to me one thing that the filthy lying coward in the White House or his corrupt party could do to damage Michigan more than they already have accomplished under Jennifer Granholm! They gonna cut jobs in Detroit as a result of this bill?

highhopes on November 17, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Bart lives in the UP. They may threaten to do away with two jobs of the five people we have left employed up here.

By: Yoop

Yoop — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:32:56 +0000

Bart Stupak is my congressman. I will assure you that Bart will roll over and play dead on the final vote.

Bart lives in one of the few, small urban areas in the wilds of the UP. He is reveling in the attention he is getting. It’s more than he has ever received in all the years in Congress, in the entirety of his career.

Tell me: ever heard of Bart Stupak before, in the 18 years he has been in office?

He has 7 district offices, 3 in the Lower Peninsula and 4 in the Upper Peninsula. They are staffed by a district representative and 8 congressional aides. I have yet to ever talk to anybody who has ever gotten any real satisfaction from them on any issue. Bart Stupak is a “ghost” around the area.

By: ncconservative

ncconservative — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:12:19 +0000

While I’m glad to see Stupak stand up to his Party leaders, it appears that the abortion issue is being used as a smoke screen, as if abortion is the only appalling thing about this bill. This health care bill is disastrous in every way, not just abortion. Higher health care costs, higher taxes, higher deficit, higher national debt and quality of care plummets. You’re telling me that voters from Stupak’s district will re-elect him if this bill passes with his amendment but with everything else going to hell in a hand basket? I ask the same question of Ben Nelson’s constituents. I highly doubt it. If Stupak’s district is like most other Blue Dog districts, this guy will get kicked out on his ear if this bill makes it to the President’s desk.

By: JC Silverberg

JC Silverberg — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:08:54 +0000

There is no unified “catholic vote”. There are at least four major groups of “catholics”, engaged in both a civil war and a war with the modern world.
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(1)The liberals: Conciously promoting liberal modernism (heresy/apostasy) these are a clear minority but wield disproportionate influence since they are almost never checked by the hierarchy, a hiererchy they have pervasivly infiltrated.
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(2) Mainstream catholics: A sheepish majority that is rather ignorant about catholic doctrine and morals but nevertheless considers itself catholic but in effect they often follow the dominating secular thought and uses that together with their ignorance as a lens through which they view everything catholic. In a liberal parish/diocese they easily follow liberalism. In a conservative parish they half-heartedly and somewhat confusedly follow conservatism without really figuring out the difference between catholicism and the world. Since the world is liberal this group tends to further and further compromises with liberalism to feel comfortable. The bishops who more often than not fail to cathechise them have alot to answer for.
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(3) Conservative catholics. much smaller than the mainstream group but also many more than the outright liberals. This group is rather diverse but it can be said that it at least makes a concious effort to live a catholic life even though that life doesn’t square too well with secular sensibilities. Unfortunately this group is also rather quitet when it comes to the crisis in the church bc of an overemphaisis on obediece end deference to authority at all costs, even when the authority in question is rather liberal or disinterested in conservative catholic issues.
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(4) Traditionalist catholics, of both the Indult and the Lefebvrian strands. A very small group, (proportion of traditionalists vary greatly) only somewhat bigger than the liberals, but growing. People who are generally heavily invested in the catholic faith and to some extent living a catholic life as before Vatican II in the 60ies.
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This would be the only group that conservatives could count on acting as a “catholic vote” if with that vote is understood something coherent with catholic social and economic doctrine. This group is however so small that it is totally insignificant on the national level.
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The hope is to reach the group of conservative catholics but that is impossible without first reforming the church and restore proper authority – something pope Benedict has initiated but is very far from completing. There will never be order in the church until there is order among the bishops. Pope Benedict himself has said as much.

By: I R A Darth Aggie

I R A Darth Aggie — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:02:06 +0000

I expect that the Usual Supsects will mount a primary challenge to Rep. Stupak. Best of luck with that, Rep. Stupak. I’d wager that this will be your last term in office.

By: Daemonocracy

Daemonocracy — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:58:58 +0000

I don’t know he sounded genuine here on Abortion. They guy might actually stick to his guns even though the media was spinning his amendment as just some sort of political ploy he would be willing to negotiate on in the future.

Are you listening david frum and charles johnson? You despise the pro-lifers yet it might be the pro-life movement which saves us from this disaster of a health bill.

By: madmonkphotog

madmonkphotog — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:51:33 +0000

One word: Bluff.

Three words to the GOP: Don’t act stupidly.

By: The Snooper Report

The Snooper Report — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:39:01 +0000

Defeating the Unconstitutional Health Scare Bill…

Eric Zimmermann / The Hill: …

By: Duncan Khuver

Duncan Khuver — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:22:40 +0000

On the lighter side, should the Stupak Amendment amendment be stripped out, the 10 month waiting period cause by government health care rationing may make the amendment a moot point.

Seriously, you can’t expect the party of “Death to the Innocents” to not pull every trick in the book to keep abortion legal. It is part of their religion.

By: d1carter

d1carter — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:16:37 +0000

I guess Nanzi is going to have up her offer…

By: dogsoldier

dogsoldier — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:15:33 +0000

I agree with the above posters. Stupak is fill of shyte.

By: ‘…Mr. Axelrod’s not a legislator; he doesn’t really know what he’s talking about.’ - Moe_Lane’s blog - RedState

Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:30:33 +0000

[...] Hot Air for the video. Stupak claims to have more than enough votes to shut down any final version that removes his [...]

By: ‘…Mr. Axelrod’s not a legislator; he doesn’t really know what he’s talking about.’ - Moe_Lane’s blog - RedState

Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:30:32 +0000

[...] Hot Air for the video. Stupak claims to have more than enough votes to shut down any final version that removes his [...]

By: highhopes

highhopes — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:16:46 +0000

I know for a fact that the US Catholic Church, led by the bishops, had the opportunity in 1987 to effectuate the reversal of Roe v Wade, which would have become a reality by the early ’90s, but instead they continued to partner with the Democratic Party, making permanent America’s acceptance of abortion as a right.

jay12 on November 17, 2009 at 2:59 PM

IMO, the RCC hierarchy in the US have not been good keepers of the faith. They have wobbled and refused to take stands on fundamental issues like abortion or the sanctity of marriage as being between a man and a woman. It’s not enough to preach these tenets when they also go out there and play “lets make a deal” with the political process. The US Bishops endorsement of Pelosicare did not condemn abortion, merely put in provisions to protect the funding stream. That falls far short of where the Bishops should be on this issue and there is no denying that fact.

By: jay12

jay12 — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:59:10 +0000

For that reason alone, the Bishops need to be the ones fighting this issue. They got this bill through the Congress and now they have to live with the consequences. highhopes on November 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM

I know for a fact that the US Catholic Church, led by the bishops, had the opportunity in 1987 to effectuate the reversal of Roe v Wade, which would have become a reality by the early '90s, but instead they continued to partner with the Democratic Party, making permanent America's acceptance of abortion as a right.