CNN poll: 64% of Americans are … un-American?

posted at 11:36 am on November 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

This weekend, Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) called people who oppose criminal trials in federal court for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the 9/11 plotters “un-American.” It turns out that there is an epidemic of this lack of patriotism, according to CNN.  Their latest poll asked the question of how to handle KSM, and 64% took the “un-American” position of backing military tribunals:

Two-thirds of Americans disagree with the Obama administration’s decision to try Khalid Sheik Mohammed in a civilian court rather than a military court, according to a new national poll. …

The poll indicates that 64 percent believe Mohammed should be tried in military court, with 34 percent suggesting that he face trial in civilian court. Six in 10 people questioned say Mohammed should be tried stateside, with 37 percent calling for the trial to take place at a U.S. facility in another country.

“The decision to bring Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in front of a civilian court is universally unpopular – even a majority of Democrats and liberals say that he should be tried by military authorities,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “Despite that, most Americans say that he will get a fair trial in the U.S.”

CNN conducted the poll in the wake of the announcement by Eric Holder and the Obama administration that KSM and his cohorts would get tried in federal court.  The survey doesn’t include much sampling data, except to say that it polled mainly registered voters over a weekend, traditionally a difficult survey period.  I’d prefer to know more about the composition of the sample, which will eventually get released after CNN stages the publication of its various elements over the next few days.

For instance, the pollster notes that the Obama administration decision was opposed by majorities of Democrats, as well as Republicans and independents.  The published data doesn’t show those breakdowns.  In the overall, though, the 34% who support Obama’s decision on this are a very small minority of opinion, and that will have the White House on the defensive throughout this process.  Also, keep in mind that the process itself will take a long time, and any adverse events — even as mundane and predictable as a KSM rant at a pretrial hearing and widespread dissemination of his vitriol — will have the effect of driving down support even further as people wonder what Obama and Holder were thinking.

Contra Moran, the obvious mainstream-American trend of thought is to use the same military tribunals we have always used for war criminals captured abroad in our past.  Jim Geraghty has a good quote from Holder’s predecessor Michael Mukasey on the subject of Moran and “un-American” views:

“I think he’s lost touch with reality. He ought to get professional help, perhaps from Major Nidal.”

Ouch.  And maybe Moran would like to explain what was so un-American about the Nuremberg trials — which were military tribunals, conducted on foreign soil.

Update: Interestingly, Rasmussen has it at 51/29 against trying KSM in federal court.  However, every age demographic, and almost every income demographic opposes it by majorities or pluralities (under $20K being the exception).  Only 59% of self-described liberals support the Obama decision.  Democrats back Obama 46/30, but independents oppose the decision 56/23, Republicans 72/16.  And the age demographic most opposed to the decision?  18-29 year olds, 62/11.

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What a moran.

Bishop on November 17, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Funny how much of that has been going around since the presidential election. Maybe Congress should establish a, you know, House Un-American Activities Committee.

Drained Brain on November 17, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Smarter than the average Moran.

amerpundit on November 17, 2009 at 11:39 AM

How much is this trial going to cost us?

Knucklehead on November 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I am glad I’m un-American,
And I’m glad that I’m still free.
I wish I was a little doggie,
And this tool Moron was a tree.

Jerome Horwitz on November 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Wait a tick,John Edwards says that there are two America’s,
so that 64 percent figure is accurate,its the Liberal Ameri
ca that is unpatriotic!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on November 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM

How much is this trial going to cost us?

Knucklehead on November 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM

In lives or in money?

Dark-Star on November 17, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Not surprising. This is how out of touch the new aristocracy we call “congress” has become.

Star20 on November 17, 2009 at 11:47 AM

I noticed Jim Moron is from a district in Virginia. Has he maybe seen some internal polling and realized he’s toast next fall? I can’t imagine a sane Congressman would make a comment like that if he was still hoping to be reelected.

Doughboy on November 17, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Moran: def. anyone with an opposing view.

“Get a BRAIN! MORANS” (image)

Mark Boabaca on November 17, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Republicans need to connect with those 18-29 year olds! We are going to need them in order to win 2012. I am blown away by that stat. Amazing.

Can one of these 18-29 year olds run against Moran? What a maroon!

freeus on November 17, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Ah! How dare anybody disagree with Herman Munster!

NathanG on November 17, 2009 at 11:47 AM

And the age demographic most opposed to the decision? 18-29 year olds, 62/11.

I’d like to talk to these people cause they were between 8-19 when 9-11 happened. I’d like to know if teachers or so called news organizations helped them shape their decisions on this. I wondering if teachers covered 9-11 at all and if they did how did they. How do they go about teaching about wars. Or do the teachers even say this is a war? Interesting.

Brat4life on November 17, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Ed, you broke hotair in the other thread. HTML skills learned from Ace, once again, I see.

lorien1973 on November 17, 2009 at 11:50 AM

I feel like a reworking of the old phrase, “If loving you is wrong, I don’t want to be right.”

If being American means being liberal, I don’t want to be American.

RagTag on November 17, 2009 at 11:51 AM

I think it is safe to say that vastly more than 64% of our citizens are smarter then Rep. Moran.

Cindy Munford on November 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Maybe it’s Moran who is “un-American”.

GarandFan on November 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM

JUMPED. THE. SHARK.

a capella on November 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Hopey/Changey better Hope,nothing bad happens in New York
with this trial!!

canopfor on November 17, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Moran, along with Obama and Holder could care less what the nation thinks of this show-trial. Disagreeing with your government is un-American. You must cower and bow before your emperor or plan on reporting to re-education camps in the near future.

Rovin on November 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM

In this war on terror, sometimes Obama looks like he’s one of them and not one of us.

Falz on November 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Eventually one of these Beltway dingleberries will tell us that Congressmen and terrorists are more patriotic than those dang-blasted “teabaggers.”

Aitch748 on November 17, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Holder’s firm was these bastards’ pro bono defenders, now a partner in that firm is prosecuting them.

Right.

Akzed on November 17, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Memo to muslims: On your next attack…

SouthernGent on November 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Moran is another

Commie
UltimateBob
Never
Trusts

Probably because he

Can’t
Understand
Normal
Thinking

UltimateBob on November 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Holders stepping up to the podium right now to announce he’s now going after the “local” financial terrorist, (Fraud and Financial Task Force). I hear there’s five spots open down at Gitmo soon.

Rovin on November 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism racism, racism, racism! You Racist!

Speedwagon82 on November 17, 2009 at 12:10 PM

There’s your answer.

No, they (the representatives in both houses) haven’t learned any lesson from election results.

To them, elections have NO consequences. I DO hope public will remember this.

Sir Napsalot on November 17, 2009 at 12:14 PM

The rationale (and I use the term loosely) that liberals use to justify their radical opinions is just mind-boggling. When Bush was in office, dissent was patriotic. Not so much anymore, eh? Moran is a traitor to this coountry, as is Pelosi, Reid, Durbin, Kennedy (R.I.H.), and a score of others in the democRat leadership. Sic Semper Tyrannus.

Jarhead68 on November 17, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Actually, Moran, we’re not so much un-American as un-terrorist. It’s people like Jim Moran who think that terrorists are as good as Americans.

Moran’s senior senator, Democrat Jim Webb, also opposes civilian trials for terrorists. So Moran thinks his own superior is un-American.

ChrisB on November 17, 2009 at 12:14 PM

“American… you keepa using dat word… I don think it means whata you think it means…”

Romeo13 on November 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM

I was thinking about this upcoming trial and wondering which side is going to call Osama bin Laden as a witness…

Or the defense wants to try to get the case thrown out because one of the prime defense witnesses (Saddam Hussein) was “illegally” terminated by the US govt. so he could not help prove Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was not helping al Queda…

This trial is going to have lots of possibilities!

albill on November 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Jim Moran, the East Coast’s Jim McDermott.

Doorgunner on November 17, 2009 at 12:17 PM

I can’t believe even that many believe this is a good idea. The terrorist attacks were an act of WAR. These people are our ENEMIES. You try people like Charles Manson or Jeffrey Dahmer in a civil court, not JIHADIS.

This folly would go on for years and years and years. Mr. President likes to talk about notions…the notion that this is a good idea is ridiculously insane. It’s beyond the pale. It’s LUDICROUS. Hold your head up and fight these terrorists like a man, Mr. President! Show them the might of a military trial!

scalleywag on November 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Moran: def. anyone with an opposing view.

“Get a BRAIN! MORANS” (image)

Mark Boabaca on November 17, 2009 at 11:47 AM

And guns, don’t forget most of us “opposers” have guns and opinions :)

rgranger on November 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Team Hopey/Changey,along with GaffeBiden and
Treacherous Pelosi,are Un-American!!

canopfor on November 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM

So will the State Media now damn Moran for questioning other people’s patriotism?

Also, this again shows the leftist tendency to project their own dark desires onto others. We spent 8 years being told that Bush was questioning the patriotism of those who disagreed with him and that was a sign of rising authoritarianism, yet as soon as the left took power, they started questioning the patriotism of those that disagree with them.

18-1 on November 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM

I’d prefer to know more about the composition of the sample, which will eventually get released after CNN stages the publication of its various elements over the next few days.

You’ll have to wait until CNN gets the list of phantom congressional districts, (supplied by your government), before you get the clear picture.

Rovin on November 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM

You misspelled his name; it’s evidently Jim Moron.

PoodleSkirt on November 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM

I noticed Jim Moron is from a district in Virginia. Has he maybe seen some internal polling and realized he’s toast next fall?
Doughboy on November 17, 2009 at 11:47 AM

He’s from the 8th District – solid blue northern Virginia (Alexandria area, which would reelect him no matter what he does or says.

BacaDog on November 17, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Since the Democrats think it is such a good idea to make Limbaugh the poster boy for the Republican party, I say, let’s make Moran the poster boy for the Democrats.

In every single district and state, Republicans need to make ads showing these comments, and then demand that their opponent respond. Do they agree or disagree with Moran?

MarkTheGreat on November 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM

However, it is anti-American to bring illegal enemy combatants into the civilian court system.

Obama: weakening and undermining America daily.

profitsbeard on November 17, 2009 at 12:30 PM

And the age demographic most opposed to the decision? 18-29 year olds, 62/11.

Hmm, the age group most likely to have to fight any wars caused by this disaster of a president.

MarkTheGreat on November 17, 2009 at 12:31 PM

And the age demographic most opposed to the decision? 18-29 year olds, 62/11.

QOTD

nyx on November 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM

How much is this trial going to cost us?

Knucklehead on November 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM

In lives or dollars?

MarkTheGreat on November 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM

New CNN poll reveals: 64% of CNN viewers are dumb-asses.

la.rt.wngr on November 17, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Can one of these 18-29 year olds run against Moran? What a maroon!

freeus on November 17, 2009 at 11:47 AM

You have to be 25 to run for congress.

MarkTheGreat on November 17, 2009 at 12:33 PM

This assh*le in chief needs to impeached in 2010 when the GOP gains control of either the house or the senate. Hope he weeps like a baby when it happens.

nyx on November 17, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Hmm, the age group most likely to have to fight any wars caused by this disaster of a president.

MarkTheGreat on November 17, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Darn skippy. Bush’s turned out bad enough; I don’t even want to think about how a ‘war’ prosecuted by this doofus would go!

Dark-Star on November 17, 2009 at 12:36 PM

What are these people like Moran smoking?

Christian Conservative on November 17, 2009 at 12:37 PM

It would be accurate to describe the backers of this atrocious decision as law doves. So naturally, those who oppose can be described as hawks.

And the age demographic most opposed to the decision? 18-29 year olds, 62/11.

I find it fascinating that this demographic would be the most hawkish.

anuts on November 17, 2009 at 12:37 PM

I find it fascinating that this demographic would be the most hawkish.

anuts on November 17, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Unfortunately, most of this demographic would be total chickenhawks if push came to shove and shove came to shooting.

Pwning random people and bots on Halo/CoD/etc. is one thing…a war in RL is quite another.

Dark-Star on November 17, 2009 at 12:40 PM

I can’t believe even that many believe this is a good idea. The terrorist attacks were an act of WAR. These people are our ENEMIES. You try people like Charles Manson or Jeffrey Dahmer in a civil court, not JIHADIS.

This folly would go on for years and years and years. Mr. President likes to talk about notions…the notion that this is a good idea is ridiculously insane. It’s beyond the pale. It’s LUDICROUS. Hold your head up and fight these terrorists like a man, Mr. President! Show them the might of a military trial!

scalleywag on November 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM

This President is not a man. He is an unAmerican eunuch who is willing to give the finger to the people who elected him. He supports anyone against America anytime anywhere and thus, he will support these scum having court trials in New York. The date this moron got elected is a day that will live in infamy. This moran-in-chief along with Moran-in-congress both need to be removed from office.

nyx on November 17, 2009 at 12:41 PM

***
Like Maxwell Smart might ask, “Would you believe 75% in Texas?”. Send KSM here for trial–we could FAST TRACK it a little bit.
***
John Bibb
***

rocketman on November 17, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Darn skippy. Bush’s turned out bad enough; I don’t even want to think about how a ‘war’ prosecuted by this doofus would go!

Dark-Star on November 17, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Given his dithering on Afghanistan, neither does the doofus.

ChrisB on November 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Given his dithering on Afghanistan, neither does the doofus.

ChrisB on November 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Yeah, and he inherited that conflict. Just imagine the disaster if he (somehow) decided to start one.

Dark-Star on November 17, 2009 at 12:46 PM

That’s disgusting! Why, we ought to line them all up against the wall and… wait, they’re the ones with the guns!

unclesmrgol on November 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Darn skippy. Bush’s turned out bad enough; I don’t even want to think about how a ‘war’ prosecuted by this doofus would go!

Dark-Star on November 17, 2009 at 12:36 PM

How many attacks on American soil while Bush was President? How many since?

unclesmrgol on November 17, 2009 at 12:52 PM

How many attacks on American soil that made it to the public news while Bush was President besides 9/11? How many since?

unclesmrgol on November 17, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Ftfy.

We were more safe under Bush, with all his faults, but please don’t fall into the trap of thinking a hawkish president makes the nation terrorproof.

Dark-Star on November 17, 2009 at 12:54 PM

So it is unAmerican to do what American has always done before and it is American to what has never been done before?

America has never had government control of the auto industry before, so it must be American to seize control and unAmerican to oppose it.

America has always been unAmerican before Obama.
I would love to give Obama an enema with a cattle prod.

The Rock on November 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM

How many attacks on American soil while Bush was President? How many since?

unclesmrgol on November 17, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Under Obama’s appeasment policies, it’s the future attacks I fear the most uncleS. How many more “ground zeros” do we have to endure before the lesson is learned?

Rovin on November 17, 2009 at 1:03 PM

UltimateBob on November 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM

I like your acronyms.

Maybe we can call the 30% who thinks that it’s a good idea un-intelligent or maybe insane. Either one works for me.

orlandocajun on November 17, 2009 at 1:03 PM

And the age demographic most opposed to the decision? 18-29 year olds, 62/11.

They have the longest to live in the U.S.A. Obama leaves behind.

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Moran is a fool but it also makes one wonder about those that elect him.

rplat on November 17, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Just so I understand this…

We’re going to hold a federal trial for KSM and his buddies in New York… because? If there’s one place in the country that these people will not get a fair trial, it is there.

The 6th Amendment requires an impartial jury – would Holder and Obama like to present how in the hell that will ever happen anywhere in the United States? How will the selection of the jury even be successful? Won’t the defense be able to disqualify virtually any potential jury member for this trial?

Why not hold the trial in Oklahoma or some other random place instead of the place where KSM wants it to be held? I mean, seriously, what in the hell is the Obama legal team even thinking? Are they thinking? This is insanity put into action.

Oh well, knowing Obama, he’ll probably cave on the decision soon and do something completely different (and dumb) instead.

Seixon on November 17, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Or maybe just smarter than Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA).

A bag full of Jello is smarter, nicer, and of more value than Jim Moran.

highhopes on November 17, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Moran is a fool but it also makes one wonder about those that elect him.

rplat on November 17, 2009 at 1:09 PM

It’s the usual trick. Gerrymander the district so that there isn’t a radical or welfare recipient in Northern Virginia that isn’t part of Moran’s district. All the mouth-breathers demanding the government provide for them, are in Moran’s district. Ditto aging hippies and others who despise Virginia politics but are too damned lazy to move to Maryland and their own kind.

highhopes on November 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM

And the age demographic most opposed to the decision? 18-29 year olds, 62/11.

So much for 40 more years of Democrat Rule according to James Carville’s book. So the youngsters are not buying hope and change, good for them. This means they probably don’t like the Democrats pulling the plug on their grandmas either :)

Dr Evil on November 17, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Seixon on November 17, 2009 at 1:17 PM

I want to know how much the filthy lying coward’s decision is costing in terms of security, lawyers, and assorted expenses. We spent $52M on courtroom facilities in GITMO. We should be using those instead of engineering the release of terrorists on technicalities like not Mirandizing them after storming the cave.

highhopes on November 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Northern Virginia has been so polluted with carpetbagging liberals that they even elected a guy who talks like Ted Kennedy (Moran was raised in Boston suburb, Natick, Ma) to be one of their representatives.

MaiDee on November 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM

He’s from the 8th District – solid blue northern Virginia (Alexandria area, which would reelect him no matter what he does or says.

BacaDog on November 17, 2009 at 12:28 PM

We just elected a Republican Gov & House of Delegates. Maybe Moron’s district won’t be so comfortable in 2012.

Filecchio on November 17, 2009 at 1:38 PM

I happen to be in the age demographic most opposed, and it seems to me that for many of us in that group, 9-11 was the first major act of terrorism we actually experienced/comprehended, and it has stuck with many of us. We have had friends go off to war because of what those rat-bastards did to us, many of them not returning. That was a defining moment for many people, and probably the first time the majority of people in my age demographic ever experienced pure evil on such a scale, and were welcomed to the real world.

While it seems like my fellow 18-29 year olds just don’t get it when it comes to domestic issues and as a whole are still refusing to barf up the Hope&Change kool-aid, I believe that more of us than expected are rather hawkish when it comes to dealing with anyone related to the 9-11 attacks. Just my opinion and all…

change is for suckers on November 17, 2009 at 2:17 PM

They are so bound and determined to take down Bush, that they fail to see the damage they do to themselves. It kind of makes me think of Captain Ahab and the great white whale.

Terrye on November 17, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Holder’s firm was these bastards’ pro bono defenders, now a partner in that firm is prosecuting them.

Right.

Akzed on November 17, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Damn, that link just ruined my day! Holder is a complete, and utter assh*le. To think he was involved in the delay of all those trials…it makes me fearful of what this trial will bring.
WHAT COULD GO WRONG???

lovingmyUSA on November 17, 2009 at 3:17 PM

You guys really should read that link that Akzed provided, this is what we have to look forward to with the trials…
Justice Delayed
Holder’s friends in the al-Qaeda bar caused the trial delays he now criticizes.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjJjYTIxNGFlZjRiNzFmYzFiM2ZhMGI4NTRmMWNhMzg=

Of all the infuriating aspects of the decision to transfer five 9/11 war criminals to civilian federal court, the one that grates most is the contention that the Obama administration is finally moving forward after “eight years of delay” — as Attorney General Eric Holder put it at his Friday press conference — during which the Bush administration managed to complete only three military-commission trials.

This is chutzpah writ large. The principal reason there were so few military trials is the tireless campaign conducted by leftist lawyers to derail military tribunals by challenging them in the courts. Many of those lawyers are now working for the Obama Justice Department. That includes Holder, whose firm, Covington & Burling, volunteered its services to at least 18 of America’s enemies in lawsuits they brought against the American people. (During 2007 alone, Covington contributed more than 3,000 hours of free, top-flight legal assistance to our enemy detainees.)

Almost from the moment President Bush authorized military commissions in 2001, this legion of litigators flooded the courts with habeas corpus petitions, contending that military detention and trials violated the Constitution, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and the Geneva Conventions…

lovingmyUSA on November 17, 2009 at 3:25 PM

How about the fact that Holder’s firm defended a bunch of these terrorists????

CONFLICT within this Administration’s cabal of corruption!

marklmail on November 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM

The Leftist Administration’s attack on the USA continues.
This is not about prosecuting terrorists — its about persecuting American patriots and the heroes who have kept US safe since 911. The sooner we relize it, the better able we’ll become to counter these anti-USA thugs.

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on November 17, 2009 at 4:31 PM

I noticed Jim Moron is from a district in Virginia. Has he maybe seen some internal polling and realized he’s toast next fall? I can’t imagine a sane Congressman would make a comment like that if he was still hoping to be reelected.

Doughboy on November 17, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Unfortunately, this guy IS a MORON. I used to live in his district, and during an election cycle some time ago I came close to physically throttling him in the middle of a farmer’s market (I was that upset with him, and dying to get out of his district…he responded to ZERO of my too-many-to-count faxes on amnesty).

The problem is, MORON represents parts of Fairfax County, Alexandria City, and out to Reston (ah, gotta love that gerrymandering!), and his consituents are dyed-in-the-wool LibTards who will never vote other than D. The Republican opponents are rarely strong-willed enough to go after him head-on, to their detriment.

MORON has:
1. called Repubs the “Taliban” ticket
2. accused constituents of lying about their identity (Health Care Town Hall)
3. outed gay discharged soldiers to end DADT
4. accused Jews of starting the Iraq War (the latest war, that is)
5. accused the US of “ethnically cleansing” Baghdad
6. spoke on national tv to the pro-Mexico pro-illegal amnesty crowd on May Day 2006

Let’s not forget he’s known for drinking too much and the rumor of sheriffs being called to his mistress’ house for domestic violence.

Miss_Anthrope on November 17, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Ftfy.

We were more safe under Bush, with all his faults, but please don’t fall into the trap of thinking a hawkish president makes the nation terrorproof.

Dark-Star on November 17, 2009 at 12:54 PM

I assume by your “fixing” the link quote that you believe that there were additional terror attacks on US soil after 9/11, but these attacks were never reported by the media?

Please tell us about these attacks.

Del Dolemonte on November 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM

I assume by your “fixing” the link quote that you believe that there were additional terror attacks on US soil after 9/11, but these attacks were never reported by the media?

Please tell us about these attacks.

Del Dolemonte on November 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Well I’d love to, but you see I don’t have inside contacts in the military or the press, so unless a terror attack is foiled and then made available to the news media at large, I don’t hear of it. Nor do you, unless you happen to have insiders on the aforementioned groups.

Law enforcement on the local, state and federal levels foil all manner of baddies every week, regardless of who wins the elections. To blame our past or current president for every failure of same or to laud him for every success is foolishness. Sure, he can help or hinder, but the POTUS is hardly the be-all and end-all on antiterror activity.

Dark-Star on November 17, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Well I’d love to, but you see I don’t have inside contacts in the military or the press, so unless a terror attack is foiled and then made available to the news media at large, I don’t hear of it. Nor do you, unless you happen to have insiders on the aforementioned groups.

Law enforcement on the local, state and federal levels foil all manner of baddies every week, regardless of who wins the elections. To blame our past or current president for every failure of same or to laud him for every success is foolishness. Sure, he can help or hinder, but the POTUS is hardly the be-all and end-all on antiterror activity.

Dark-Star on November 17, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Seems to me that if a “terror attack” happened after 9/11 on Bush’s watch, we would have heard about it by now, simply because terror attacks generate casualties. And the Bush-hating media and those who hated Bush within his own government would have no problem leaking the details of such attacks in order to discredit him. Why have we never heard of any? They would be impossible to keep a secret.

I’m not denying that many foiled plots went unreported. Former Bush terror advisor Jack Goldsmith said in a speech in Boston a couple of years ago that Bush in fact under-reported the number of terror threats he was dealing with, so as not to generate panic.

As for your last paragraph, remember that Clinton treated terror attacks as a criminal issue, and as a result failed. bin Laden himself said the 9/11 attacks were supposed to happen on his watch but had to be delayed. Why else do you think he had his National Security Advisor steal and destroy classified documents from the National Archives?

Del Dolemonte on November 17, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Bishop on November 17, 2009 at 11:39 AM

I think you have hit on it. I’ve been wondering for years when they are going to start spelling his name the way it’s most often pronounced.

Buford Gooch on November 17, 2009 at 6:59 PM

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

Personally if i see these islamic terrorist punks
ever on the street
I will SHOOT them on the spot
no questions asked
no thought about trials
kill the islamic nazi bastards..

then piss on their rotting bloody corpses
and cover their dead terrorist ass in bacon bits..

veteranoutrage on November 17, 2009 at 7:53 PM

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

perhaps these so called CREEPS and THUGS we call congressman should watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVh75ylAUXY&feature=player_embedded#

veteranoutrage on November 17, 2009 at 9:33 PM

What an incredible circle jerk.
Will Holder let them plea bargain?
This will be more of a circus then the Moussaoui trial.
This is just to beat up on the Intelligence guys. Period

elclynn on November 18, 2009 at 7:43 AM