$6.4 billion in Porkulus money spent in phantom districts?

posted at 12:14 pm on November 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Earlier this morning, Sammy Benoit asked me how it felt to live in a much larger Minnesota, with new Congressional districts popping up all over.  Any thrill of getting extra representation in Congress got muted by the fact that the Obama administration apparently added more phantom Congressional districts (440) than actually exist now (435), and that they somehow showed $6.4 billion in Porkulus money going to these nonexistent districts.  Watchdog.org has tracked down the massive failure to check data at Recovery.gov, the reporting arm of Porkulus for the White House:

Just how big is the stimulus package? Well for one, it has doubled the size of the House of Representatives, according to recovery.gov, which says that funds were distributed to 440 congressional districts that do not exist.

According to data retrieved from recovery.gov, nearly $6.4 billion was used to “create or save” just under 30,000 jobs in these phantom congressional districts–almost $225,000 per job. The web site operates on an $84 million budget and is tasked with monitoring the distribution of the $787 billion stimulus package passed by Congress–which, for the record, counts 435 members–in early 2009.

The site’s monitors, however, are not too savvy about America’s political or geographic landscape. More than $2 million was given to the 99th District of North Dakota, a state which has only one congressional district. In order to qualify for 99 districts, North Dakota would have to have a population of about 60 million people, almost 24 million more people than California.

The stimulus revived 8 recently retired congressional districts. Pennsylvania’s 21st District has received just under $2 million in funds. Mississippi’s 5th District and Oklahoma’s 6th received $1 million from the legislation, respectively. All three were eliminated by the 2000 census.

Many other recipients carried the banner for congressional districts that have been defunct for decades. South Carolina’s 7th took the cake, garnering more than $27 million in stimulus funds, despite being eliminated in 1930. And Virginia’s 12th District may have been written off at the start of the Civil War, but it must carry some sentimental value in Old Dominion–it received more than $2 million, according to recovery.gov.

Some may feel that a $6.4 billion error is simply a rounding problem, but I recall a time when that used to be considered real money.  For instance, that would have been about a seventh of the federal deficit for September, but only about 3% of the federal deficit in October.  Who knew the Obama administration could point to that level of improvement!  Doesn’t that make you feel better about your government’s ability to handle money?

As a former database administrator myself, I am not unaware of the challenges of bad data.  However, that just means that database administrators have to set proper filters to restrict entries to prevent the infiltration of bad data.  One particular strategy for a database built on Congressional districts for reporting would be to load a list of legitimate districts by state as a filter.  That would have caught records for 35 Congressional districts in Washington DC, as an example … since Washington DC doesn’t have any Congressional districts at all.

This again demonstrates the rank incompetence of the Obama administration, and the folly of trusting government to spend our money more than we trust ourselves.  The ostensible reason for Porkulus was to boost the economy, which Obama proposed to do by taking capital out of the markets and spending it on a raft of Democratic pork projects and progressive wish lists.  We knew that the list of spending priorities would do nothing to boost the economy, but even we didn’t foresee just how incompetent the White House would be in tracking the money.  How hard is it to get a list of actual Congressional districts, for Pete’s sake?

Meanwhile, I’ll claim my house as Minnesota’s 27th Congressional district, and the $3.159 million the government apparently wants to throw at it.  Please deliver it in small, unmarked bills.  I promise it will stimulate the local economy, especially the Blu-Ray and computer-equipment industries.

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Ok, so did Obama just get caught giving the money to his friends, or is this more of his administration’s noted incompetence and a reporting error?

18-1 on November 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Pop goes the weasel. Two sides of Obama’s coin. Facade of incompetence begs public opinion leniency for the absolute core of corruption.

maverick muse on November 17, 2009 at 12:52 PM

These same people will be asking for a second stimulus after Duh One makes his Trans-America tour to take the pulse of the economy. BOHICA

ICBM on November 17, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Apparently Messing with Sheriff Joe isn’t hard if you know big numbers. Like ones with more than one digit in them….

mjk on November 17, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Tehy used the same screening procedure as they did for credit cards for their campaign contributions – i.e. no screening at all.

They calim that they knew this could happen, yet still did nothing to plan for it and avoid it.

Very (x20) incompetent.

SouthernRoots on November 17, 2009 at 12:52 PM

So, when it’s time for this guy to finally leave office, who thinks he’ll try to find some way to stick around? I can see him refusing to leave on the grounds that Amerika’s economy can’t handle a shift in political/economic vision at such a time of crisis (16% unemployment and skyrocketing inflation).

I know, sounds nuts, but didn’t all of this sound nuts a year ago?

pugwriter on November 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I never said there weren’t other mistakes made. I am just saying that the 440 number didn’t create “phantom districts” but was the result of sloppy staffers not doing there jobs.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Keep on digging your own hole.

maverick muse on November 17, 2009 at 12:54 PM

I never said there weren’t other mistakes made. I am just saying that the 440 number didn’t create “phantom districts” but was the result of sloppy staffers not doing there jobs.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 12:52 PM

So we’re supposed to grant the benefit of the doubt on the database to an administration that admits it screwed up on the database?

And besides, how would sloppy staffers adding territories and districts together somehow make better the fact that the database lists billions spent in districts that don’t exist?

amerpundit on November 17, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Of course Obama’s people can’t count or do basic fact checking on job counts either but this issue should be way down the list of problems conservatives have with the White House and Democrats.

Does it help prove they are sloppy and careless? Yes. But that’s about it. Including US controlled territories is the right thing to do since the stimulus bill impacted all of the country.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 12:44 PM

I want a daily barrage from now until election time 2012 of every negative fact (big or small) of this entire group (especially the White House) of politicians as a constant drumbeating reminder to those who vote for these creatures. And I want all of y’all to do the same on an interpersonal level to those you may know who vote for the same said creatures. Do not let it go.

anuts on November 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Phantom districts? Phony statistics? Wild and inaccurate exaggerations? Why the surprise? Chicago political thuggery is now being applied to the entire nation. It’s called being “Obamatized”.

MaiDee on November 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM

I am just saying that the 440 number didn’t create “phantom districts”

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 12:52 PM

What would you call the 15th district of Arizona?

Ronnie on November 17, 2009 at 12:56 PM

I never said there weren’t other mistakes made. I am just saying that the 440 number didn’t create “phantom districts” but was the result of sloppy staffers not doing there jobs.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 12:52 PM

You truly are an idiot. The 440 number is the number of phantom districts. Otherwise it wouldn’t 6.4 billion dollars that went to districts that didn’t exist.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 17, 2009 at 12:56 PM

The audacity of pervasive and massive fraud.

BottomLine5 on November 17, 2009 at 12:56 PM

I wish I lived in the 147th. Instead, I gotta deal with Diane Watson.

unclesmrgol on November 17, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Not sure why I am getting attacked on this issue. The overall numbers are right. Look at the master list and the administration does have the number of representatives for each state correct. See here:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/16593104/Recoverys-Phantom-Districts

Now when you click on the individual states the administration does have the district numbers wrong. That is correct. However, that doesn’t mean the first list is incorrect since I went through and checked it with a list of House members myself.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 12:57 PM

I think taney had a phantom math teacher.

Ronnie on November 17, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Send these cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sacks of monkey sh!t directly to prison.

tru2tx on November 17, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Need a Tylenol ???

Jerome Horwitz on November 17, 2009 at 12:57 PM

I never said there weren’t other mistakes made. I am just saying that the 440 number didn’t create “phantom districts” but was the result of sloppy staffers not doing there jobs.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 12:52 PM

And, he forgot to say, all the other numbers are absolutely precise. Even though the district numbers are wrong due to human error, no human made an error on the number of jobs reported.

BobMbx on November 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Oh, and taney71? The database doesn’t list 440 districts. I made that same mistake.

It lists 440 districts that don’t exist. It’s not that there are a few phantom districts in addition to 435 actual districts. It’s that the database lists an extra 440 districts on top of the actual 435.

amerpundit on November 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM

I’m curious. How many districts in DC? Nmae of the reps?

katy the mean old lady on November 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM

It’s called being “Obamatized”.

MaiDee on November 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM

/arpeggiating diminished 7th falls through chromatic descent

maverick muse on November 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Occasions like this are what a free press was supposed to be about. Of course, I don’t expect the MSM to do a deep investigation here.

Mistakes like this should not have happened at all; it is a big deal. Going by cities as sources, it’s easy to tell in what District the city lies. I can see a mistake of a 9th District in AZ–a simple typo–but not a 15th. Were these people making things up? Something is fishy here.

There may be fraud, too, but a deep look can bear that out one way or other. Too bad for us the MSM won’t do it.

Liam on November 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM

You truly are an idiot. The 440 number is the number of phantom districts. Otherwise it wouldn’t 6.4 billion dollars that went to districts that didn’t exist.

Are you that dumb. Seriously read this stuff for yourself. The 6.4 went to ALL the 440 “districts” which actually means 435 districts and the FIVE US controlled territories. Seriously what can’t you understand about that?

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM

And they(the obama crew)have no shame. They just go on down the same path not caring a whit that they have been outed and will continue to be. How did they get so indifferent to the concepts of wrong and right?

jeanie on November 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Obama still thinks we’ve got 57 states needing bailouts.

Annie on November 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM

I thought at first some of the error might be that Districts in question might represent State Assembly districts, if it was known how the data was received by the Feds (and some of it might due to State Assemblymen looking to get some credit for the dole out) but it doesn’t explain those district #’s that even exceed the # of the states’ assembly districts.

Anyway, seeing as how the column for congressional districts is significantly screwed up, I’d question the $ amounts, too, and in particular the ones with reasonable congressional districts since these others serve as a distraction.

Dusty on November 17, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Are you that dumb. Seriously read this stuff for yourself. The 6.4 went to ALL the 440 “districts” which actually means 435 districts and the FIVE US controlled territories. Seriously what can’t you understand about that?

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM

*facepalm*

Just how big is the stimulus package? Well for one, it has doubled the size of the House of Representatives, according to recovery.gov, which says that funds were distributed to 440 congressional districts that do not exist.

It lists 440 congressional districts that don’t exist.

amerpundit on November 17, 2009 at 1:00 PM

I’m curious. How many districts in DC? Nmae of the reps?

Have you read my previous posts. I said the extra five are US controlled territories. DC is a US territories with a non-voting delegate who goes to Congress. Her name is Norton.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Obama still thinks we’ve got 57 states needing bailouts.

Annie on November 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Put Barry down for 7 states saved or created. This guy is good … damn good.

Ronnie on November 17, 2009 at 1:01 PM

In order to qualify for 99 districts, North Dakota would have to have a population of about 60 million people, almost 24 million more people than California.

Recovery Act creates millions of people in North Dakota.

BobMbx on November 17, 2009 at 1:01 PM

I never said there weren’t other mistakes made. I am just saying that the 440 number didn’t create “phantom districts” but was the result of sloppy staffers not doing there jobs.
taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 12:52 PM

And, he forgot to say, all the other numbers are absolutely precise. Even though the district numbers are wrong due to human error, no human made an error on the number of jobs reported.
BobMbx on November 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Yeah, let’s put the Genius that screwed this up in charge our healthcare, what could go wrong?

Juno77 on November 17, 2009 at 1:01 PM

It lists 440 congressional districts that don’t exist.

Have you looked at the list? It does not. It lists all 435 districts and the five US territories. Again look for yourself here:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/16593104/Recoverys-Phantom-Districts

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM

They allocated $18 MILLION to this website. For $18,000 and 3 months of work I could have given them a website that blows theirs away, including automatically filling in the Congressional district based on the address entered.

Heck, I could have even verified they were a real business by comparing their entries with business and property tax databases.

Those are some rich monkeys in that recovery office.

PastorJon on November 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Obama still thinks we’ve got 57 states needing bailouts.
Annie on November 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Put Barry down for 7 states saved or created. This guy is good … damn good.
Ronnie on November 17, 2009 at 1:01 PM

LMAO!
+100

Juno77 on November 17, 2009 at 1:03 PM

We will never know where this money went and noone in Washington will do anything about. They don’t care it’s not their money.
This is just sad. We will not hear anything about it.

Brat4life on November 17, 2009 at 1:04 PM

0.3 jobs saved or created in Northern Mariana Islands’ 69th district for only $1.5 million. Who’s the lucky mutant?

Ronnie on November 17, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Recovery Act creates millions of people in North Dakota.

BobMbx on November 17, 2009 at 1:01 PM

And, like the dead, they invariably vote Democrat!

Liam on November 17, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Now when you click on the individual states the administration does have the district numbers wrong. That is correct. However, that doesn’t mean the first list is incorrect since I went through and checked it with a list of House members myself.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Why the need to focus on the first list? If it’s correct (and it appears to be so), then no one will challenge you or the list on it. The focus is on those that no longer exist or were just created out of nothing that $money$ has gone to (or the 2nd list). The fact that that doesn’t bother you is bothersome.

anuts on November 17, 2009 at 1:04 PM

I think that if I would have been an Obama campaign donor donating lets say 1 million, I would probably be getting 10 million from the stimulus.

Somebody knows where that money is actually going to. Obama really learned how to laundry money in Cook County, probably his first job as Attorney for the Chicago Branch of Acorn.

PrettyD_Vicious on November 17, 2009 at 1:04 PM

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Sorry, but the report from Watchdog.org specifically says, “440 congressional districts that do not exist.”

amerpundit on November 17, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Where’s my damn money? If it’s in a dems freezer, I want it back.

Kissmygrits on November 17, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Not that big of a deal.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 12:40 PM

..how’s chugging that Kool-Aid working out for ya? Even if all of these districts, zones, precincts, parishes, counties, municipalities, or other feats of mind-boggling Gerrymandering are true, the 640,000 jobs saved or created number is an absurdly puny result for spending — what? — about 25% of the $787B stimulus.

VoyskaPVO on November 17, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Have you looked at the list? It does not. It lists all 435 districts and the five US territories. Again look for yourself here:

No, it does not. It lists three congressional districts in Maine, the 23rd, the 92nd and the 00. Maine has two congressional districts.

Slublog on November 17, 2009 at 1:06 PM

And again, how would the fact that they didn’t actually add districts but instead totally screwed up how they’re listed make this any better? They still totally screwed up on a multi-million dollar website listing how billions of dollars was spent.

amerpundit on November 17, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Have you read my previous posts. I said the extra five are US controlled territories. DC is a US territories with a non-voting delegate who goes to Congress. Her name is Norton.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:00 PM

It’s not an extra five. It’s an extra 440. Obama has given your tax dollars (assuming you work) to 735 different Congressional districts. You have 439 more Nortons to find, kid.

Ronnie on November 17, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Why the need to focus on the first list? If it’s correct (and it appears to be so), then no one will challenge you or the list on it. The focus is on those that no longer exist or were just created out of nothing that $money$ has gone to (or the 2nd list). The fact that that doesn’t bother you is bothersome.

Good question. My only point was to post that the 440 number includes territories. I’m not doing this to be a defender of Obama (G-d forbid if I did that!). What I wanted to do is inform the website and its readers. I’m getting attacked on pointing out that the Obama administration is sloppy and made an error, but it didn’t impact the first list as they were really referring to districts and territories.

The other lists for each state clearly are wrong and I would guess the jobs numbers are wrong as well (FOR ALL OF THE STATES). Saying that the 440 number = districts and territories doesn’t mean I believe the Democrats on the rest of their numbers or that I defend them.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Have you read my previous posts. I said the extra five are US controlled territories. DC is a US territories with a non-voting delegate who goes to Congress. Her name is Norton.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Yes, I have. 440 NON-EXiSTENT DISTRICTS, moron.Not multiples in territories.

katy the mean old lady on November 17, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Somebody needs to look at that site a lot better, scroll all the pages. The list says AZ has eight districts but on a subsequent page I count 14 districts under the direct heading of Arizona, including specific note of ’15th District’.

Liam on November 17, 2009 at 1:10 PM

It’s not an extra five. It’s an extra 440. Obama has given your tax dollars (assuming you work) to 735 different Congressional districts. You have 439 more Nortons to find, kid.

Look at the master list yourself and do the math. There are 439 other phantom districts. They have the math right on the number of districts and territories right here. Its in the individual lists for each state that you see problems in the numbering of the districts.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/16593104/Recoverys-Phantom-Districts

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:10 PM

There are 439 other phantom districts.

Meant to say “There aren’t 439 other phantom districts.”

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Yes, I have. 440 NON-EXiSTENT DISTRICTS, moron.Not multiples in territories.

Look again because your eyes fail you. The master list has all the states listed with the correct number of districts and it has all the US controlled territories as well. Hence we get the 440 number.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/16593104/Recoverys-Phantom-Districts

I already said the Obama administration was sloppy in not spelling out what the 440 number meant (district and territories). And I certainly haven’t defended anything else that the administration has put out so why are you guys attacking me for being right on this?

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:14 PM

The hands in the pot come up $6.4 billion shy. Hmmm…

I’m sure Maddow and Olberman are on the case because let’s face it: this is definitely Bush’s fault.

MarkT on November 17, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Meant to say “There aren’t 439 other phantom districts.”

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:11 PM

You’re an idiot, it lists all of the phantom districts and those phantom districts add up to 440.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 17, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Hey, dead people need stimulous money too…afterall, they are a crucial voting block for Democrats.

Wyznowski on November 17, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Look at the master list yourself and do the math. There are 439 other phantom districts. They have the math right on the number of districts and territories right here. Its in the individual lists for each state that you see problems in the numbering of the districts.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Arizona has 15 congressional districts listed. How much math is required to know that’s more than 8?

Ronnie on November 17, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Need a Tylenol ???

Jerome Horwitz on November 17, 2009 at 12:57 PM

heh….

tru2tx on November 17, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Ed Pound, Director of Communications for the board, said that the faulty information came from recipients of stimulus funds.

“People make errors, and we’ve found people are making errors in these reports,” Pound said…

Recipients file their reports on a password-protected site. That information is then relayed to officials who oversee the recovery.gov website to post, Pound said. Unless an egregious error is noted, Pound said they post the information exactly as it is received.

“Our job is data integrity, not data quality,” he said.

Invalid data has no integrity, moron. This guy has no idea what he is talking about. You could say the data is consistent, but it is defintely has no integrity.

For data to have integrity, it has reflect what it is representing in the real world. Since this data included districts that do not exist, it is not reflective of what it is meant to represent, so it HAS NO INTEGRITY.

WTF is wrong with these people.

Joe Caps on November 17, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Just think of the creativity we will see if ObamaCare passes…

d1carter on November 17, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Arizona jobs cost
district 00 30 $761,420

Alaska jobs cost
district 99 25.6 $9,530,356

etc. etc.

Every state has that kind of garbage. There are over 870 districts receiving money and where jobs are being created in a country with only 435. That’s more than double. There are actual numbers plugged in these non existent places. A ‘clerical mistake’ is not sufficient enough of an explanation.

anuts on November 17, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Meant to say “There aren’t 439 other phantom districts.”

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:11 PM

You’re an idiot, it lists all of the phantom districts and those phantom districts add up to 440.

I hate repeating myself but here’s what I said before:

They did include US territories to get to 440. If you look at the underlining data and the itemized list of areas where the money was spent you will see the Obama administration is including DC, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Northern Mariana Islands, and Puerto Rico in its list.

Ok, they can’t figure out the difference between a US territory and a district but it isn’t that bad.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Could they be have been referring to districts in the individual State Houses/Assemblies?

I kinda doubt it, but I thought I’d throw the possibility out there.

forest on November 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM

No. North Dakota, for example, only has 47 districts in its legislature:
http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/61-2009/dist-legis.html

This is out and out fraud, a looting of the American Treasury to enrich these marxist, socialists, fascists and George Soros.

rbj on November 17, 2009 at 12:28 PM

I should have know better than to give this administration any benefit of the doubt.

forest on November 17, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Arizona has 15 congressional districts listed. How much math is required to know that’s more than 8?
Ronnie on November 17, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Exactly, the really big question is : Where did that money go?

Juno77 on November 17, 2009 at 1:19 PM

They did include US territories to get to 440.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:18 PM

What did they include to get to 875? Other planets?

Ronnie on November 17, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Oops…a “clerical mistake” on my part

anuts on November 17, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Arizona has 15 congressional districts listed. How much math is required to know that’s more than 8?

As I said before I am not defending every number or the individual state lists. All I am saying is HOW the administration got the 440 number. It is coming from districts (435) plus territories (5) which equals 440. The master lists shows that.

Admitting this doesn’t mean you or I support Obama or believe the jobs numbers are correct or that the other lists don’t have problems.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:20 PM

I hate repeating myself but here’s what I said before:

They did include US territories to get to 440. If you look at the underlining data and the itemized list of areas where the money was spent you will see the Obama administration is including DC, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Northern Mariana Islands, and Puerto Rico in its list.

Ok, they can’t figure out the difference between a US territory and a district but it isn’t that bad.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:18 PM

I hate repeating myself to idiots. Look at the friggin list. It’s 440 districts that DO NOT EXIST.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 17, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Hey, FDR tried to pack the Supreme Court when he didn’t like how they were legislating. With all the problems Obamacare®, card check and cap & trade are having, maybe this is the White House’s effort to pack Congress, upping House membership to 875, to go along with those 14 senators from the seven extra states Barack was talking about on the campaign trail last year…

jon1979 on November 17, 2009 at 1:20 PM

I guess the new catch phrase will be “congressional districts saved or created…”

cannonball on November 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM

What did they include to get to 875? Other planets?

Where is the 875 number coming from? Ed mentions the 440 and so does his link and the master list’s first page.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Ok, they can’t figure out the difference between a US territory and a district but it isn’t that bad.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:18 PM

So what about the money and jobs that went to these ‘places’? You’re making an excuse for the semantics of an argument that is superfluous to our point.

anuts on November 17, 2009 at 1:22 PM

We have 11 fact checkers on Sarah’s book and a ‘news’ segment fact checking an SNL skit. But none on hard data presented for review?

And since when are integrity and quality two different things?

Liam on November 17, 2009 at 1:22 PM

I say we have our own stimulus project. This year on tea party April 15th we all go to our payroll office and take 9 dependents. I am not saying to stop paying taxes all together, I am just saying to stop having them withheld for a while. I think if millions of us did it for a couple of quarters, maybe even just one quarter. The government would be on their knees begging us what could they do to please US the tax payers!

Lets continue the Alinsky on them and thousands and thousands of us start filing freedom of information requests on these reports. Overwhelm their system!

patriotparty1 on November 17, 2009 at 1:23 PM

I hate repeating myself to idiots. Look at the friggin list. It’s 440 districts that DO NOT EXIST.

Not sure why you need to attack me but I’ll say it again. The master list says on its first page summary 440 districts. Scroll down to the itemized listing of states/territories and you’ll see they have listed correctly each state and its total number of districts PLUS US controlled territories.

It’s not the hard.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Where is the 875 number coming from? Ed mentions the 440 and so does his link and the master list’s first page.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Wow… that list that they were showing at the link was a list that THEY created, it didn’t come from Recovery.gov. They compiled a list of their own showing the number of districts that they found to be false.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Recovery Act creates millions of people in North Dakota.BobMbx on November 17, 2009 at 1:01 PM

But how do you find jobs for all those people?There were a lot of instances of \”99th\” Congressional District, even though NO state has that many, including the Virgin Islands. I sometimes handle large amounts of (weather) data, and a string of 9′s usually denotes missing data (no wind direction for calm conditions, or some temperature or pressure sensor not working). Maybe the 99th Districts meant that whoever entered the data didn’t know to what district the money went. But if they didn’t know the district, could they know how much money went there and how many jobs were “created or saved”? Even so, this is a sign of mass incompetence. Or is that Judgment to Lead? /sarc

Steve Z on November 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM

So what about the money and jobs that went to these ‘places’? You’re making an excuse for the semantics of an argument that is superfluous to our point.

I never said I was defending the other numbers just clarifying the 440 one. I think the Obama administration is making a lot of crap up but that doesn’t mean I can’t point out what the 440 number really stands for even if the White House was too sloppy to check its own work.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:25 PM

All 440 phantom districts have voted for Obama in 2012. It’s a LANDSLIDE…
/s

Jeff2161 on November 17, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Um, we are going to have the people stealing from taxpayers thrown in jail right?

jhffmn on November 17, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Newsflash: Sarah Palin is on the Rush Limbaugh Show right now. Great interview so far:)

Dire Straits on November 17, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Exactly, the really big question is : Where did that money go? Why didn’t Palin pay for her own clothes a year ago?

Juno77 on November 17, 2009 at 1:19 PM

FTFY

LibTired on November 17, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Reading comprehension, math, and logic clearly aren’t taney71′s strong points.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 17, 2009 at 1:28 PM

So what about the money and jobs that went to these ‘places’? You’re making an excuse for the semantics of an argument that is superfluous to our point.

I never said I was defending the other numbers just clarifying the 440 one. I think the Obama administration is making a lot of crap up but that doesn’t mean I can’t point out what the 440 number really stands for even if the White House was too sloppy to check its own work.
taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Where did that money go?

Juno77 on November 17, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Where is the 875 number coming from? Ed mentions the 440 and so does his link and the master list’s first page.

taney71 on November 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM

The list is just the 440 that don’t exist. Recovery.gov lists the other 435 as well. 435+440=875.

Ronnie on November 17, 2009 at 1:28 PM

How to take over the House of Representatives:

Have one conservative voter declare him/herself a resident of each imaginary district in this report and elect him/herself to Congress by 1 vote to zero. In addition to tipping the balance in the House, these people can claim credit for the job they created (their own!).

Steve Z on November 17, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Exactly, the really big question is : Where did that money go? Why didn’t Palin pay for her own clothes a year ago?
Juno77 on November 17, 2009 at 1:19 PM

FTFY
LibTired on November 17, 2009 at 1:26 PM

LOL! Thanks.

Juno77 on November 17, 2009 at 1:30 PM

And we all thought that ACORN had been defunded. Looks like the jokes on us!!

Dire Straits on November 17, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Guam has one non-voting delegate in the House. On the list so generously provided, I count SIX districts listed individually.

I think we proved our case well enough.

Liam on November 17, 2009 at 1:31 PM

For example, taney:
The list shows the 15 districts for Arizona that don’t exist.
Recovery.gov lists 22 districts for Arizona. 7 of them are real.
http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=stateSummaryAllCD&statecode=AZ

Ronnie on November 17, 2009 at 1:31 PM

tane71:

You are interpreting the docstoc numbers wrong. By each state it gives the correct number of districts. However the jobs created and amount spent for those jobs is for the phantom districts. For example, New York officially has 29 districts. However if you click on the link for that state and go to the actual recovery.gov list of districts you will see those 29 PLUS an additional 11 districts. In those 11 districts 146 jobs were created or saved for 9.7 million dollars – the same numbers as in the docstoc list. Also on the docstoc list, starting on page 5 it lists all the phantom districts by state or territory. I didn’t add them up but it definitely is in the hundreds of EXTRA CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS. Therefore the 6.4 billion dollar figure is for PHANTOM districts NOT REAL districts.

peterargus on November 17, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Ed Pound, Director of Communications for the board, said that the faulty information came from recipients of stimulus funds.

“People make errors, and we’ve found people are making errors in these reports,” Pound said…

Recipients file their reports on a password-protected site. That information is then relayed to officials who oversee the recovery.gov website to post, Pound said. Unless an egregious error is noted, Pound said they post the information exactly as it is received.

“Our job is data integrity, not data quality,” he said.

Doesn’t data integrity mean correctness and accuracy?

Wouldn’t the “officials” who “oversee” the website think a non-existent congressional district is an “egregious” error?

Actually, Pound is his middle name. His last name is Sand.

Steve Z on November 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Actually, Pound is his middle name. His last name is Sand.

Steve Z on November 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM

*falls over laughing!*

Liam on November 17, 2009 at 1:36 PM

tane71:

You are interpreting the docstoc numbers wrong. By each state it gives the correct number of districts. However the jobs created and amount spent for those jobs is for the phantom districts. For example, New York officially has 29 districts. However if you click on the link for that state and go to the actual recovery.gov list of districts you will see those 29 PLUS an additional 11 districts. In those 11 districts 146 jobs were created or saved for 9.7 million dollars – the same numbers as in the docstoc list. Also on the docstoc list, starting on page 5 it lists all the phantom districts by state or territory. I didn’t add them up but it definitely is in the hundreds of EXTRA CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS. Therefore the 6.4 billion dollar figure is for PHANTOM districts NOT REAL districts.

peterargus on November 17, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Like I said, math, reading comprehension, and logic is not their strong points.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 17, 2009 at 1:36 PM

taney? You still there? Hello? taney?

Ronnie on November 17, 2009 at 1:40 PM

I wish Dear Leader was a phantom and not my worst hallucination come to life.

nyx on November 17, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Recipients file their reports on a password-protected site. That information is then relayed to officials who oversee the recovery.gov website to post, Pound said. Unless an egregious error is noted, Pound said they post the information exactly as it is received.

Since when do funding *recipients* drive accounting data? That’s like asking all of your vendors to get together and write your annual report.

This is frightening, honestly. Since only a fraction of the total stimulus money has been spent, I can only surmise that $6.4 billion is just the beginning.

Missy on November 17, 2009 at 1:44 PM

It’s the amature hour in full swing. What an Obamination. Wasting all that tax payewr money chasing windmills.

I can’t wait till 2010 when America rebukes this rookie.

saiga on November 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Phantom Districts, that ACORN was going to be in charge of counting during the 2010 census LOL!

When do we all stop pretending this isn’t the MOST Corrupt American Government, we have had to deal with in a long time?

Dr Evil on November 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Wait wait wait! What’s the website number for recovery.gov again???

change is for suckers on November 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM

hmmm… to quote an old chessnut… Follow the money. I really want to know who cashed that check.

Karmashock on November 17, 2009 at 1:48 PM

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