Proud Rino on November 17, 2009 at 7:55 AM

Dick.

You stick with the Muslim and Wright and I’ll side with Hagee. My point was McCain was quick to defend Bambi and the GD America preacher while ditching others obviously just as you are!

bluegrass on November 17, 2009 at 2:13 PM

No one said that I was “sticking” with Wright. I dont know who you are referring to when you say “the Muslim” I will assume you mean the President.

Hagee was not McCains Pastor, he was just some nut who endorsed him. I dont think McCain defended anything Wright said, just that his Pastor was not a campaign issue, which in itself is true. Given the totality of the circumstances, however, it was an issue.

You stick with the Muslim and Wright and I’ll side with Hagee. My point was McCain was quick to defend Bambi and the GD America preacher while ditching others obviously just as you are!

Added note…when the economic crisis developed, and he had a chance to expose the dems as being at the forefront…blocking bills, sleeping with the gay lover of Fannie Mae (or Freddie Mac, whichever), pushing for low interest loans and blocking Republican efforts, McCain stood silent.
He had his chance to go on the offensive and he chose to back away. Why? Because of his loyalty to the status quo, and less to the U.S.

right2bright on November 17, 2009 at 6:44 AM

Exactly, if he believed in his heart that he was the man for the job, it should have been “We’ll win this!” Then spend the energy and resources to make sure the word gets out and who not to vote for. Instead he played the “I may have to work with these scumbags again, I better play nice” card.
 
Keeps me wondering how McShame and Obooboo are both members of the CFR.

Schmidt on his shoes.

viking01 on November 17, 2009 at 2:01 AM

Yo bubba, you got schmidt on your shoes. Heh.

I submit that Christian conservatives were so put off by this reaction that they had to find another way of voting for him and that reason was Sarah Palin.

How many Christian Conservative really follow Hagee that closely?

OkieDoc on November 17, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Here is the thing though, I think that there were also plenty of indies who would have otherwise voted for McCain that didnt because of her, my dad (who had not voted Dem his entire life) did just that. I think that number could have been just as high. Which means that making a statement like “he would not have gotten as many votes as he did without her” is dishonest at best without some real hard numbers.

Steve Z on November 17, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Not what I was asking, nice deflection though.

“The only reason he got the votes he did was because he had Sarah as VP.” Mad Mad Monica on November 17, 2009 at 11:43 AM

“I would love to see some real hard statistical proof of this.”

Something like the hard statistical proof of how many jobs were saved or created by Porkulus?

“‘I was told not to discuss Obama’s pastor of twenty years, Jeremiah ‘God Damn America’ Wright,’ Palin writes in the book. ‘I will forever question the campaign for prohibiting discussion of such associations. All the more since these telltale signs of Obama’s views, carefully concealed with centrist campaign-speak, have now been brought into light by his appointments and actions in office.’”

I could never understand why McCain suppressed those associations in his campaign, not only with Jeremiah Wright, but also with Kenyan radicals, Bill Ayers, ACORN, and other Chicago radicals. Since the mainstream media covered up for Obama, it was up to the McCain/Palin campaign to dig up dirt and expose Obama for who he is.

After all the mud thrown at the relatively clean Sarah Palin, why NOT bring Obama’s skeletons out of his closet, before they become czars in the White House?

BTW, real mature with the changing of my name.

Squid Shark on November 17, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Hey, just having some fun Squiddy, that’s was my immediate reaction when I saw your moniker, not personal.
As to your other points,

I was pointing out that McCain was right to dump Hagee off the endorsement list.

and

“The only reason he got the votes he did was because he had Sarah as VP.” Mad Mad Monica on November 17, 2009 at 11:43 AM

“I would love to see some real hard statistical proof of this.”

The two aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive. I submit that Christian conservatives were so put off by this reaction that they had to find another way of voting for him and that reason was Sarah Palin.

As to your requiring ‘hard statistical proof’, you remind me of all the ways government wastes our money i.e. studying the studies.

The only reason he got the votes he did was because he had Sarah as VP.

I would love to see some real hard statistical proof of this.
I agree that he fumbled the ball, but there was not a whole lot he could have done different. You guys think that hammering Wright would have been helpful, I disagree, history was pushing alot of the people that pulled the lever for Obama. I contend it would not have made enough difference and the Republican still would have lost. I dont have the hard statistical proof. But Wright was out there, Ayers was out there, all the info about his voting record ws out there on easily accessible sources. I dont think that McCain “hammering” it would have changed alot of minds.

But Wright was the jugeared messiah’s pastor (for 20 years) and that my friend is really bats&^t crazy.

Why don’t you focus your attention on that one since you are obviously a Christian apologist.

OkieDoc on November 17, 2009 at 11:10 AM

He is, I dont think that there is any debate about Wright being crazy. Saying that here would be like shouting in an echo chamber. I was pointing out that McCain was right to dump Hagee off the endorsement list.

BTW, real mature with the changing of my name.

Could someone please wake the party up and inform them that McCain LOST because he was a bad candidate. The only reason he got the votes he did was because he had Sarah as VP.

No, she’s not perfect, but she’s a heck of a lot better than McCain. And she’s MUCH better than the feller many republicans are starting to shove down our throats: Huckabee.

All you “moderate” republicans had best wake up. We lost in 2008 because we were TOO moderate. If you want to stop Obama in 2012, you’d better get back to core conservatism. Otherwise we’re going to be looking at another for years of American destruction.

Hagee was never his pastor.

And Hagee is bats&^t crazy.

Squid Shark it on November 17, 2009 at 10:40 AM

But Wright was the jugeared messiah’s pastor (for 20 years) and that my friend is really bats&^t crazy.

Why don’t you focus your attention on that one since you are obviously a Christian apologist.

I’m lazy – did CBS do a Fact Check article on those stories?

bluegrass on November 17, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Hagee was never his pastor.

And Hagee is bats&^t crazy.

“‘This time, there wasn’t a family vote,’ Palin told Winfrey. ‘Other steps in my political life, I’ve polled the kids, and I have abided by some of the results of the polls that the kids have partaken in. This time, no.’

“But in September of 2008, Palin told an entirely different story to Fox News’ Sean Hannity.”

There are two stories, but I’m not sure why they seem to think that they contradict each other.

suffering particularly with the insipid McCain standing by impotently, not being half the man their own father is so far as the Palin children’s experience went, protecting innocense. After all, McCain has no such innocence reflected within his Meghan.

maverick muse

Excellent observation.

Part of McCains problem is being in the senate. I think there is a senatorial disease. A contagion if you will. You may not have it when you get there but your going to catch it sooner or later. Egotism.

donh525 on November 17, 2009 at 8:42 AM

Jim DeMint is on record as saying that’s why he tried to get home every weekend if he can. He knows what can happen if one is cut off from one’s old community and only surrounded by the DC cocktail circuit gang.