Jim Moran: Daniel Pearl’s family is un-American

posted at 12:55 pm on November 16, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

That’s certainly the conclusion one can draw from two stories over the last couple of days.  Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA), who pushed Barack Obama to bring Guantanamo Bay detainees to the US for criminal trials, says that criticism of the decision is “un-American”:

Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) has strong words for the Republicans opposing Attorney General Eric Holder’s plan to bring five 9/11 suspects to New York City to face trial.

“They see this as an opportunity to demagogue,” he said. “They will seize on any opportunity to do that, and that means they’ll even take a stand that’s un-American.”

“It’s un-American to hold anyone indefinitely without trial,” Moran added. “It’s against our principles as a nation.”

Maybe Moran missed this story from The Hill.  The family of journalist Daniel Pearl, murdered and beheaded by none other than Khalid Sheikh Mohammed himself, took that same “un-American” stand that Moran blasted:

The family of slain Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl expressed disappointment with the Obama administration’s decision to try the professed killer of their son, alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, in a civilian court. …

“We are sorry to learn of the Justice Department decision to try KSM in a NYC Federal Court.

We are respectful of the legal process, but believe that giving confessed terrorists a worldwide platform to publicize their ideology sends the wrong message to potential terrorists, inviting them in essence, to resort to violence and cruelty in order to gain publicity.

We believe that justice is better served if the trial of KSM, the confessed murderer of Daniel Pearl, be held in closed session.”

It’s actually rather amusing to see someone complaining about demagoguery in one breath and accusing his critics of acting “un-American” in the next.

Apart from that, what’s really striking about the statement is the abject stupidity of it.  Congress authorized military tribunals or commissions to adjudicate the cases of those captured as war criminals, which means they would have had an opportunity to challenge the government case in the same setting America has always used for war criminals — military tribunals.  Moran seems to forget that the Nuremberg trials were in fact conducted by the military, not by American civil courts, and no one has seriously suggested that those didn’t work as intended.  In fact, they’re usually the standard by which other efforts are measured.

Jim Geraghty notes that this did not escape the notice of Moran’s challenger, Matthew Berry:

“It is wrong for Congressman Moran to question the patriotism of the millions of Americans who believe that terrorists such as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed should be tried by military commissions rather than in civilian courtrooms. Furthermore, Congressman Moran’s comment reflects a basic ignorance of American history.  Military commissions were used to try war crimes during the Revolutionary War, Mexican War, Civil War, Spanish-American War, and World War II. The use of a military commission to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would have been entirely in keeping with American history and tradition.”

Was Barack Obama un-American when he endorsed military tribunals for KSM in 2006?

Update: Some irony-challenged commenters are objecting to the headline.  No, Moran did not specifically call the Pearls un-American, but he called anyone who objected to criminal trials un-American.  I’m pointing out the demagoguery and applying the Moran standard in a manner that should embarrass Moran, but probably won’t.  And for those who didn’t get it, try reading the first sentence of the post.


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Moran = moron.

journeyscarab on November 16, 2009 at 2:09 PM

I am in favor of Bush’s plan. I do have to ask, however, why KSM et al haven’t been brought to trial yet? What were the Bushies doing for 7 years? Why didn’t we accept the guilty plea from this crowd 6 months ago?

johnboy on November 16, 2009 at 1:28 PM

A) Holder, during the Bush years, kept them consistantly in court (all the way to the supremes) fighting the military tribunal solution.

B) Six months ago Hussein and Holder halted the tribunals.

vapig on November 16, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Libs have no true class, honor, or character–further evidenced by those Leftists who post here with only slander, obfuscation, and everything else they write on these pages.

Liam on November 16, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Couldn’t agree more. Liberalism has to exist, MUST exist, for democracy to be real. I look at it differently from some. I differentiate between liberals and the left-wing, where liberals hold certain beliefs and principles, while the left-wing is constantly out to destroy and hypocritically slander those who are of more conservative beliefs. They do this to Palin every day. She makes a statement questioning why Obama was “palling around with terrorists,” and they rip her to shreds. She, like Bachman and Grayson, make inflammatory statements to call attention to an issue, and I believe that to be wrong too. But the real reason, in my opinion, they go after her, is because she actually questions Obama. Oh the humanity! :)

NathanG on November 16, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Actually, its perfectly american to try unlawful combatants by military tribunals. Anyone who is interested can peruse the prior case-law.

Revenant on November 16, 2009 at 1:05 PM

IIRC unlawful combatant is supposed to describe someone found in battle without insignia or marks identifying them as the enemy. Yet they engaged US troops. I prefer to call them “bat-shit stupid”.

Blacksmith8 on November 16, 2009 at 2:10 PM

The Notorious G.O.P on November 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM

You forgot a biggie. It is Un-American to jump to conclusions when a Muslim starts shooting up an Army base and killing soldiers while screaming Allah Ahkbar.

highhopes on November 16, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Proud Rino on November 16, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Well, you would know.

He did not say daniel pearl’s family is unamerican. he said its unamerican to not put a criminal on trial.

Vincenzo on November 16, 2009 at 1:18 PM

He went even further than that. He also said it was an unAmerican stance to oppose these trails. At the very least, he’s saying Pearl’s family is taking an unAmerican stance.

Your headline kinda proves his point about demagoguery. Pathetic.

Grow Fins on November 16, 2009 at 1:28 PM

His own comments expose his own demagoguery. Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Esthier on November 16, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Illegal combatants, according to the Geneva conventions, can be me are to be shot on sight.

MarkTheGreat on November 16, 2009 at 1:17 PM

FIFY

Blacksmith8 on November 16, 2009 at 2:19 PM

President Bush initially called for military tribunals which the left immediately used as an issue.

Instead of giving more political ammo, regardless of the value, to the insane left he let it sit

Sonosam on November 16, 2009 at 2:20 PM

I’ll tell ya what’s un-American. It’s un-American to continue electing that dumb-”donkey” Moran to public office.

scullymj on November 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Ah, the noted comment fabricator and liar is here today. I thought you might like a chance to be creative with one of mine. Try to pick out some choice words to string into a quote from me.

“Hey liberal America, what does terrorist ass taste like?”

See what you can do with that.

Also…

Shame on Ed for adding one plus one and coming up with two.
Ah yes. Logic. Yes, really logical headline. Like Moran said, “demagoguery.”
Grow Fins on November 16, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Grow Fins, you put the backquote’s around what you’re quoting, not your words. How long have you been posting here?

hawkdriver on November 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Virginia, get rid of this loser!

SouthernGent on November 16, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Your headline kinda proves his point about demagoguery. Pathetic.

Grow Fins on November 16, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Ah, the roaches do scurry to the corner, whenever their core beliefs are carried to their logical conclusion. Too bad you’re too much of a coward to just stand up for what you believe in. If you believe that those who think that trials for foreign terrorists are a bad idea, are un-American, than have the pair to stand up for what you believe in. Embrace your inner moran!

MNHawk on November 16, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Ed,

It’s a completely fair and accurate headline. Ignore the willfully ignorant giving you greif about it.

You have to have your head up your @ss if you can’t connect the dots to see that Moran is implicitly saying that.

I’m tired of the “tip-toeing” around what people say. He said it… he owns it.

Nineball on November 16, 2009 at 2:42 PM

“It’s un-American to hold anyone indefinitely without trial,” Moran added. “It’s against our principles as a nation.”

So Moran would release KSM should he be acquitted?

drjohn on November 16, 2009 at 2:43 PM

So Moran would release KSM should he be acquitted?

drjohn on November 16, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Of course! That would make our nation ‘great’ in the eyes of the world!

Liam on November 16, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Update: Some irony-challenged commenters are objecting to the headline. No, Moran did not specifically call the Pearls un-American, but he called anyone who objected to criminal trials un-American. I’m pointing out the demagoguery and applying the Moran standard in a manner that should embarrass Moran, but probably won’t. And for those who didn’t get it, try reading the first sentence of the post.

Ed, I enjoyed your headline. And the irony was obvious from the headline itself. Please don’t let the idiots stop you from clever writing.

thuja on November 16, 2009 at 2:52 PM

He went even further than that. He also said it was an unAmerican stance to oppose these trails. At the very least, he’s saying Pearl’s family is taking an unAmerican stance.

Esthier on November 16, 2009 at 2:13 PM

That’s not what Moran said, and I’m no fan of Moran.

He said:

“It’s un-American to hold anyone indefinitely without trial,” Moran added. “It’s against our principles as a nation.”

You would agree with that point if it came from someone other than the moron Moran. It certainly is against our priciples.

Now that being said, a military tribunal is just as “trialy” as a “trial in court.”

See? I’m no hippy sympathizer.

Ed,
As one of your biggest fans, and a registrant at Hotair on day one, I simply expect a headline to be a headline. It’s just not your style to bait like that.

Vincenzo on November 16, 2009 at 2:54 PM

War games bombing run ends in tragedy. Several B-1 bombers flew off cousre and dropped 72 bombs on the Gitmo prison complex. Remarkably no US service persons were killed or wounded since they were testing the fallout shelters at the time. Pilots said sorry.

Problem solved.

faol on November 16, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Ultimate facepalm.

Track-A-'Crat on November 16, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Typical…. the face of the left. What a maroon!!

ultracon on November 16, 2009 at 3:10 PM

War games bombing run ends in tragedy. Several B-1 bombers flew off course and dropped 72 bombs on the Gitmo prison complex. Remarkably no US service persons were killed or wounded since they were testing the fallout shelters at the time. Pilots said sorry.
Problem solved.
faol on November 16, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Whoops!

As they say, excrement befalls.

They wouldn’t have to go through the trouble of tearing the place down and we would have a new bombing range to boot!

Juno77 on November 16, 2009 at 3:12 PM

The headline is fine. Moran probably does think he has more authority than than the Pearl family. Another leftist scumbag breaking out the hate for anyone who disagrees. This trial will be a circus and as stated breaks with the entire American history. Forget criminal trial. Forget military tribunal. Kneel each of these monsters down and put a bullet in their heads. Film it. Send the tape to Al-Jazeera. Then Islamic jihadists will get the message.

chicagojedi on November 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Moran is not from MY part of Virginia, but I still feel the need to apologize for putting moron in office.

hawksruleva on November 16, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Forget military tribunal. Kneel each of these monsters down and put a bullet in their heads. Film it. Send the tape to Al-Jazeera. Then Islamic jihadists will get the message.

chicagojedi on November 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Don’t worry, they’re getting the message now, too. It’s just a different message than the one any sane American would send.

hawksruleva on November 16, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Moran is not from MY part of Virginia, but I still feel the need to apologize for putting moron in office.

hawksruleva on November 16, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Moron’s part of Virginia is getting smaller everyday. I doubt Alexandria would take him back.

Roy Rogers on November 16, 2009 at 3:27 PM

So Moran would release KSM should he be acquitted?

drjohn on November 16, 2009 at 2:43 PM

And if not, what’s the going rate for a pardon, under Bagboy for Bribes Holder, $100 grand?

MNHawk on November 16, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Don’t worry, they’re getting the message now, too. It’s just a different message than the one any sane American would send.

hawksruleva on November 16, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Sad but true. We are a weak horse in their eyes again. I wonder if Obama will blame Bush when he gets called out for being a paper tiger.

chicagojedi on November 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Didn’t the Congress specify Military Tribunals ?

Does this rise to Impeachable Offense ?

Filecchio on November 16, 2009 at 3:44 PM

I\’ll vote for the fantasy football guy.

thedudesblog on November 16, 2009 at 4:38 PM

I used to live in this POS’s district. He’s about the lowest form of pondscum in the entire Congress. I once saw him take the seat on the dais of a chaplain when the chaplain went to the podium to give an invocation. I also remember when one of his “girlfriends” came to his door wearing just a raincoat, planning a great birthday surprise for him. Unfortunately one of his other floosies answered the door and the two hags got into a hair pulling fight on his front lawn. I believe he was married at the time.

Yet he gets reelected by huge margins.

BitterClinger on November 16, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Remember when liberals were constantly whining about being called “Un-American” by conservatives for being against The War on Terror even though the libs could never site the sources of the insults?

Good times….

29Victor on November 16, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Oh, and apparently “Campaign Obama” was un-American too.

29Victor on November 16, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Update: Some irony-challenged commenters are objecting to the headline. No, Moran did not specifically call the Pearls un-American, but he called anyone who objected to criminal trials un-American. I’m pointing out the demagoguery and applying the Moran standard in a manner that should embarrass Moran, but probably won’t. And for those who didn’t get it, try reading the first sentence of the post.

Some of us distinguish between “calling” and “implying by a line of reasoning devised by a sensationalist headline-writer who disagrees with one.” What will you say tomorrow, if Jim Moran calls a named individual un-American? Will you just adapt the headline and expect your readers to go along? I’ve talked back to you before for this sort of click-begging. It’s annoying and it erodes trust. I was developing a habit of thinking twice before I “click through” to one of your posts, because I resent “being had.” I thought you had learned, but I see that you have not.

Kralizec on November 16, 2009 at 5:14 PM

I also remember when one of his “girlfriends” came to his door wearing just a raincoat, planning a great birthday surprise for him. Unfortunately one of his other floosies answered the door and the two hags got into a hair pulling fight on his front lawn. I believe he was married at the time.

Why anyone would fight over this man is beyond me. He belongs with Carol Shea-Porter. Two of the ugliest people I’ve ever seen.

NathanG on November 16, 2009 at 5:18 PM

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

ALL of congress is UN-AMERICAN
ALL OF THE POLITICANS ARE Treasonist BASTARDS
ALL of the DEMOCRATS are WORKING FOR THE ENEMY..

and this creep should be handed over to the taliban
to be be-headed ..
I think it would be poetic justice..

veteranoutrage on November 16, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Moran is a complete idiot. The truth is the Bush administration tried for years to put these terrorist on trial. Liberal lawyers blocked them for years. First there was the Hamdam decision and then the Boumediene decision. Congress actually passed the Military Commissions Act just to satisfy legal challenges.

If the standard that had been applied throughout most of our history had been allowed to stand, a lot of these people would already have been tried and convicted.

Terrye on November 16, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Virginia, get rid of this loser!

SouthernGent on November 16, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Ugh, the 8th district is comprised of Arlington, Alexandria, Falls Church, and Reston. I.e., this liberal moron has a job for life.

Firefly_76 on November 16, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Fair and accurate headline. Before I clicked on it, I thought “you gotta be shiiteing me!” Then I read the post. Got it. Right away. Ahhhhh….our glorious GrowFins. Sometimes, you have to wonder if it’s not AP, or someone else Greenwalding, just to have easy pickins.

bikermailman on November 16, 2009 at 6:47 PM

MORAN defends SHEER INSANITY.

Is the A in his name a typO?

profitsbeard on November 16, 2009 at 7:14 PM

How long will normal thinking people (Dems & Repubs) there are a few normal thinking Dems. keep voting these A*****es into office,
Dems. have had the majority in congress since Nov. 2006, this made Bush a lame duck and yet they still continue to blame the Republicans.

THE WHOLE MORTGAGE MELTDOWN WAS BARNEY FRANK/CONGRESS/FANNIE MAE/FREDDIE MAC AND NOW GOOD OLD BARNEY WANTS TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN.

DEMS MIGHT HAVE SOMe CREDABILITY IF ONE OF THEM, JUST ONE WOULD GROW A PAIR(Barney excluded)

concernedsenior on November 16, 2009 at 7:42 PM

I think we all have strong words for Moran too, have fun working at Best Buy after 2010.

After the putz from Fl. made his remarks its like these Dems are trying to out stupid each other. Is Obama looking for a new VP?

Rbastid on November 16, 2009 at 11:39 PM

Hooray for VA: a candidate is now running against Moran!!! From Moe Lane’s blog: “Matthew Berry. Not the ESPN guy: the former Clarence Thomas clerk/DoJ/FCC guy. He’s running on a fiscal conservatism/national security/ethics platform; and opposing the infamous Jim Moran, believer in Israeli conspiracies. His statement about Moran’s blathering* on the NYC show trials works for me”

As a resident of Moran’s district, I’ll sure work to get Berry elected!!!! cheers

chai on November 17, 2009 at 7:11 AM

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