Doug Hoffman: I’m un-conceding NY-23

posted at 8:28 pm on November 16, 2009 by Allahpundit

Via Think Progress. Ed’s already written about how improbable a Hoffman win is. Even so, the “count every ballot” schtick is smart politics considering (a) it’s an excuse for Beck and other big-name media figures to extend his time in the spotlight ahead of next year’s rematch with Owens and (b) it indirectly reminds voters of how narrow the margin was in the House for PelosiCare. It was 220-215 with Owens in the NY-23 seat; swap in Hoffman and you’re down to 219-216, with Joe Cao suddenly thinking very hard about just how decisive he wants his vote to be.

Anyway, short clip, and worth it for the Lake Placid line alone.

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Oh My Some let San Fran Nan know her Big Victory is turning into a toss up GRIN.

Dr Evil on November 16, 2009 at 8:29 PM

GOP finally learning how to fight these battles?

TexasDan on November 16, 2009 at 8:29 PM

He’s only 2,000 some behind, and only 3 counties have fully been counted.

On election night, he was 6,000 behind due to false reporting of votes.

Enoxo on November 16, 2009 at 8:30 PM

This aint gonna help. Better to take the seat outright in a year.

2ipa on November 16, 2009 at 8:30 PM

About time someone is willing to fight.

Bishop on November 16, 2009 at 8:31 PM

OT, but I thought I should mention this amazing speech from a True American Patriot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O66qDqfZm7k

AJB on November 16, 2009 at 8:32 PM

True , smart tactics keeping his name and the election alive. Especially when his numbers are better then thought.

the_nile on November 16, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Sort of a stupid gesture at this point, I think.

If the votes are counted and he wins, he could “unconcede” then.

AnninCA on November 16, 2009 at 8:34 PM

What Would Al Franken Do?

BHO Jonestown on November 16, 2009 at 8:36 PM

The aggravation and public discomfort when Pelosi tries to say why every vote shouldn’t count would be worth it.

Especially if there are a lot of absentees from Fort Drum..

Wethal on November 16, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Good for Hoffman . . . fight them to the very end and never give up.

rplat on November 16, 2009 at 8:38 PM

He will take the seat outright in a year, but why not be a pain in Pelosi’s backside until then? She claimed this win as her victory and thus the elections of 2009 victorious for Dems. Wouldn’t it be sweet to take it away from her? In addition to that I am sick and tired of Conservatives giving up close elections because they have been convinced of some garbage about best for the people blah, blah, blah. I never hear that when it is a Lib challenging a close win. If Nixon had challenged in 1960 there is a chance there would never have been a Kennedy Dynasty (or Vietnam or Watergate for that matter), if Allen had challenged in 2006 he might still be in the Senate instead of that pompous jerk that fancies himself a Senator, etc, etc I could keep going. So I say, challenge away and thank goodness SOMEONE is willing to fight!

Govgirl on November 16, 2009 at 8:38 PM

Keep on fightin’ Doug. Make it hurt all the way down for Owen and the Dems. Count every last vote and drain them for every drop.

ted c on November 16, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Count every ballot…

What an interesting concept.

Seven Percent Solution on November 16, 2009 at 8:40 PM

AnninCA on November 16, 2009 at 8:34 PM
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Ah, but this keeps ten thousand Glen Beck fans focused like a laser beam on the process.

That’s ten thousand Beck fans who watched Al Franken steal Minnesota.

His timing is lousy, but I think keeping the pressure on is a Good Idea here. Let the corruptocrats know they’re being watched.

Mew

acat on November 16, 2009 at 8:41 PM

May the Force be with you
God Bless

hawkman on November 16, 2009 at 8:42 PM

I thought AnninCA was leaving HA for good since there wasn’t enough Palin discussion? At least that is what I read over and over again in the Evan Bayh thread. Just like our President, can’t keep her promises.

Back on topic, regardless of the outcome, this is a great move by Hoffman. If he happens to pull it of, granted unlikely, it will be another embarrassment to the left after they touted this as a major victory instead of the two governorships.

DoS_Conservative on November 16, 2009 at 8:43 PM

good move.

moonbatkiller on November 16, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Get the lawyers out and challenge every single ballot, tooth and nail. Senator Al Franken would ask nothing less.

Jaibones on November 16, 2009 at 8:45 PM

Uhm wait what, can he even do that???

Ryan Anthony on November 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM

If Mr. Hoffman had any political sense, he would NOT have conceded in the first place. That would have kept Bill Owens out of the House and kept one less vote for Nancy Pelosi’s Obamacare bill. Hindsight it 20/20, but one has to wonder what the logic was behind that move. Conceding this race may have given Pelosi that one extra vote that passed health care ‘reform’.

I heard Hoffman on Glenn Beck’s radio show today, and Beck asked him if he knew who the Secretary of State was in New York. Hoffman’s answer was “You got me there”. My mouth dropped open. You mean to tell me you don’t know the name of the person who RUNS elections in your state? I like the guy, but come on. If you don’t have a grasp of the basics, how can anyone expect him to effectively legislate? Congress isn’t for amateurs, and unless you’re going to go up there and just vote “no” on everything, it’s probably best you not run at all. Surely there’s a conservative up there who A) Lives in the district and B) understands the basic issues he or she will be dealing with.

NoStoppingUs on November 16, 2009 at 8:49 PM

I imagine for him to do certain things he has to unconcede and make it a contested election again. Even if he just makes them count everything and he makes sure they do it right, good for him.

bluemarlin on November 16, 2009 at 8:50 PM

Govgirl on November 16, 2009 at 8:38 PM

If Ford had asked for a recount in Ohio, we might have been spared Carter.

Wethal on November 16, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Can someone unconseed Obama’s mother? :-D

SouthernGent on November 16, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Fight, fight, fight. Never concede until the last vote has been ruled on by the highest court, but never break the law like Dumbocraps routinely do.

mr.blacksheep on November 16, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Uhm wait what, can he even do that???

Ryan Anthony on November 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Conceding has no legal binding. It’s just a nicety.

If you remember, Al Gore conceded in 2000, and then turned around an hour later and withdrew it.

Enoxo on November 16, 2009 at 8:53 PM

SouthernGent on November 16, 2009 at 8:51 PM

What a dumb thing to post.

Ryan Anthony on November 16, 2009 at 8:53 PM

E for effort

flyoverboy on November 16, 2009 at 8:54 PM

Count every ballot…

What an interesting concept.

Seven Percent Solution on November 16, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Not conceding before every ballot is counted is another interesting concept.

disillusioned on November 16, 2009 at 8:54 PM

Enoxo on November 16, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Oh. Okay then.

Ryan Anthony on November 16, 2009 at 8:54 PM

I hope the repubs are paying attention. Maybe they’ll finally stop wussing out to the dems at every opportunity.

Good luck, Mr. Hoffman!

Dave R. on November 16, 2009 at 8:55 PM

Not conceding before every ballot is counted is another interesting concept.

disillusioned on November 16, 2009 at 8:54 PM

Indeed.

Midas on November 16, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Awesomely awesome.

Philly on November 16, 2009 at 8:56 PM

SouthernGent on November 16, 2009 at 8:51 PM
What a dumb thing to post.

Ryan Anthony on November 16, 2009 at 8:53 PM

I thought it was funny, Southern.

HornetSting on November 16, 2009 at 8:56 PM

My advice for him is to get his teeth fixed and run in a year.

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 8:59 PM

I thought it was funny, Southern.

HornetSting on November 16, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Yeah we’re sick that way.

thomasaur on November 16, 2009 at 8:59 PM

kewlin

I visited Lake Placid and the site of the Olympics during sleepaway camp as a kid, lots of giant ski jump thingys

ginaswo on November 16, 2009 at 9:00 PM

HornetSting on November 16, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Yeah. I laughed. I cried. But mostly laughed.

lorien1973 on November 16, 2009 at 9:01 PM

What Would Al Franken Do?

BHO Jonestown on November 16, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Wait for all those missing ballots from Donk strongholds to show up.

Been there, done that.

Hey GOP, how about not conceding an election ever. That’s would Alinsky would do.

Bruno Strozek on November 16, 2009 at 9:04 PM

America! Fuck Yeah!

Bout time that accountant crunched the numbers on outstanding absentee ballots.

EscapeVelocity on November 16, 2009 at 9:06 PM

Let’s hope Owens does not get all snippy about it…

gridlock2 on November 16, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Hard to believe, BUT, if Hoffman were to somehow come out ahead once all counting is done……….what then? Does that force Owens out or what? I assume there is some kind of process for this but I can’t remember this happening before.

Even if it did, the PelosiCare vote has already happened and this would not reverse it.

JoeinTX on November 16, 2009 at 9:23 PM

Bigger question…. How LEGALY did they seat the Dem, when the Election had not been certified yet?

Romeo13 on November 16, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Newt Gringich
Doug Hoffman
Lindsey Graham

Move over fellas, the girls have arrived.
Liz Cheney
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Bigger question…. How LEGALY did they seat the Dem, when the Election had not been certified yet?

Queen Nasty hath declareth it.

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 9:28 PM

The House rules permit a member to be seated IF SOMEONE CONCEDES… No concesion = no vote by Owens for PelosiCare.

Hoffman (and all future Republicans in this situation) SHOULD NEVER CONCEDE AN ELECTION UNTIL ALL THE ABSENTEE BALLOTS ARE COUNTED AND THE ELECTION IS CERTIFIED!!

If Hoffman wins and is certified to be the winner, Owens is out and Hoffman gets the seat.

Khun Joe on November 16, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Man would that be rich if he actually won. After Pelosi and Axelrod and the liberal pundits spinning this race as an endorsement of Obamacare and a rejection fo the Tea Parties only to have it backfire in their faces, lol.

Also, no way would Cao vote for Obamacare if he were to be the deciding vote. He waited to be the second to last vote last time just to make sure he wasn’t the deciding vote so he would do a complete 180 this time. That only leaves 1 vote left to be the decider and which Blue Dog wants to be that one vote???

Daemonocracy on November 16, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Anyway, short clip, and worth it for the Lake Placid line alone.

I enjoyed that too.

shick on November 16, 2009 at 9:33 PM

I predicted Hoffman would catch up to Owens on the Hoffman thread here election night, and I’m sticking to my story

I look forwards to the Usual Suspects squealing like Stuck Pigs if Hoffman does pull this off and Owens gets yanked out of the House ( where he proved he’s a lying Twat )

All politics is a roller coaster ride……..

Janos Hunyadi on November 16, 2009 at 9:33 PM

The House rules permit a member to be seated IF SOMEONE CONCEDES… No concesion = no vote by Owens for PelosiCare.

Hoffman (and all future Republicans in this situation) SHOULD NEVER CONCEDE AN ELECTION UNTIL ALL THE ABSENTEE BALLOTS ARE COUNTED AND THE ELECTION IS CERTIFIED!!

If Hoffman wins and is certified to be the winner, Owens is out and Hoffman gets the seat.

Khun Joe on November 16, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Hoffman is new to the game and the Republicans, as usual, weren’t thinking strategically. Owens also went back on his word he would vote against a public option.

I agree withy ou though. I was upset Hoffman conceded so soon and you are right, no conservative should ever concede until the last vote is counted. There is nothing wrong with doing this.

Daemonocracy on November 16, 2009 at 9:35 PM

What Would Al Franken Do?

BHO Jonestown on November 16, 2009 at 8:36 PM

+100

unclesmrgol on November 16, 2009 at 9:36 PM

If Mr. Hoffman had any political sense, he would NOT have conceded in the first place. That would have kept Bill Owens out of the House and kept one less vote for Nancy Pelosi’s Obamacare bill. Hindsight it 20/20, but one has to wonder what the logic was behind that move. Conceding this race may have given Pelosi that one extra vote that passed health care ‘reform’.

NoStoppingUs on November 16, 2009 at 8:49 PM

I think you are dead wrong on the above points. If not Owens, Pelosi had the votes before the whore ever brought the bill to a vote. Somebody else would have been bribed, outcome the same. And, given the supposed vote count, Hoffmann would have looked bitter and desperate not to have conceded.

The real story here, if any, is how Pelosi was legally able to seat Owens without the vote being certified and what happens should the outcome change (unlikely).

I’m not a big Hoffman fan. I like his ideas but he comes off with a creepy Mr. Rogers vibe. I’d rather see him in Congress than Owens but the really important thing here was that Scozzafava was denied the seat (also a vote for Pelosi on healthcare BTW). The bigger story was Republicans taking their party back from the people who thought that Scuzzy was an acceptable “moderate” candidate. On that score, mission accomplished.

highhopes on November 16, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Make them sweat and curse!

4shoes on November 16, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Move over fellas, the girls have arrived.
Liz Cheney
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 9:27 PM

5CubClub

By the way, Lake Placid is sacred ground just like Lexington Green. The site of the greatest American sports upset in the country’s history when our ragtag hockey squad defeated the invincible Soviet Union and set the stage for the rise of Reagan and the decline of the Evil Empire.

It was a continuation of the war, the war since the beginning of time between the soul of man and He who would enslave us forever.

And to the big guy above, don’t tell us you were not smiling from on up high.

It was 1980, and the Cuda and I and all America pinned our hopes on those boys.

Why will Sarah win?

Because Americans cannot resist an UNDERDOG fighting the machine.

Sapwolf on November 16, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Man would that be rich if he actually won. After Pelosi and Axelrod and the liberal pundits spinning this race as an endorsement of Obamacare and a rejection fo the Tea Parties only to have it backfire in their faces, lol.

Daemonocracy on November 16, 2009 at 9:33 PM

The only “national race” according to Gibbs. Completely ignoring the fact that the filthy lying coward’s people were running Corzine’s campaign in the end.

As to Cao, his vote is understandable if opportunistic. I was living in New Orleans last year when he was elected. Nobody even knew how to prononce his name the week before the vote. His election was only because the rules changed so that there was a real primary system. The soon to be incarcerated William Jefferson had defeated other Democrats to get to the general election. Under the old system, the race would have been between two Democrats. In short, Cao is representing a welfare culture who are wild about Obamacare. It may be partly politics but the unproductive, ignorant, takers of New Orleans are fully supportive of Cao’s vote.

highhopes on November 16, 2009 at 9:45 PM

It is very strange that the votes were so far off on election night. And that it had such a huge consequence in getting that vote. There was hanky panky, Pelosi ordered no doubt. What ever the final outcome the Dems stole this election, like so many others. They are really good at cheating strategically.

And what would Al Franken do? Cheat.

petunia on November 16, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Move over fellas, the girls have arrived.
Liz Cheney
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Actually, competent and smart conservative women have arrived. They are formidible because of their intellect not because of their sex. Therefore, calling them girls plays into the hands of their detractors who want to dismiss them as inconsequential.

highhopes on November 16, 2009 at 9:48 PM

He’s only 2,000 some behind, and only 3 counties have fully been counted.

On election night, he was 6,000 behind due to false reporting of votes.

Enoxo on November 16, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Hell, that’s only 3.5 trunkloads of ‘misplaced’ ballots!!

Get Franken on the horn, STAT!!!

BigWyo on November 16, 2009 at 9:49 PM

I worked on the campaign in Plattsburgh and on election morning we knew 3 voting machines in another country had to be impounded because they weren’t recording right. Hoffman shouldnt have conceded at all, citing those machines and wanting to wait for the military ballots. His inexperience and conservative diffidence.

I think conservatives should be bold and as a matter of course refuse to concede any time there is an irregularity, if they are at all close. And they should lawyer up expecting the other side to cheat. And when the media asks why they are being so suspicious, they should seize the teaching moment and start listing all the examples of fraudulent voting dating back to JFK, in reverse order, until the reporter begs them to stop.

Every non-liberal candidate trailing closely, with any irregularity in the voting, should do this. It should be SOP. What a way to flush out the ACORNoids and edumacate the public.

YehuditTX on November 16, 2009 at 9:49 PM

By the way, Lake Placid is sacred ground just like Lexington Green. The site of the greatest American sports upset in the country’s history when our ragtag hockey squad defeated the invincible Soviet Union and set the stage for the rise of Reagan and the decline of the Evil Empire.

Sapwolf on November 16, 2009 at 9:41 PM

The most remarkable part of that 1980 victory, IMO, was the fact that it wasn’t even the championship game- which became almost inconsequential after the US beat the USSR. I

I miss having things to be proud about this nation. The filthy lying coward has so trashed this nation in the world that my only focus is doing what I can to protect the troops from the worst excesses of a CINC that hates them.

highhopes on November 16, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Actually, competent and smart conservative women have arrived. They are formidible because of their intellect not because of their sex. Therefore, calling them girls plays into the hands of their detractors who want to dismiss them as inconsequential.

highhopes on November 16, 2009 at 9:48 PM

they are girls. Same as Barry and his boys. It denotes power that one should not underestimate.

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Daemonocracy on November 16, 2009 at 9:35 PM

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 9:27 PM

You both nail it. Thank you!

Bruno Strozek on November 16, 2009 at 9:55 PM

Actually, competent and smart conservative women have arrived.

highhopes on November 16, 2009 at 9:48 PM

What would the point of departure be here?

disillusioned on November 16, 2009 at 9:59 PM

highhopes on November 16, 2009 at 9:53 PM

When they played I believe Finland after the Soviet Union to win the Gold, everybody I knew was totally confident the USA would win.

They were in the ZONE.

Sapwolf on November 16, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Having said that, Hoffman is arrogant to not at least attempt to bone up on local issues. It does make him look like a carpet-bagger even though he lived in the area his whole life.

But enough NY 23 residents wanted a non-liberal even with his faults, that he got this close. Even in a part of the country that is like Western PA in that it depends to some extent on Washington largesse and therefore is pulled toward electing porkmeisters. That’s why Murtha can get away with lying about our troops and dissing his working class constituency and they still vote for him.

Hoffman got so close anyway even in a disctrict not extremely friendly to small government. or maybe it was the abortion issue. But if he had shown he cared and learned about local issues he would have walked away with it no matter what Scozzafava did. Now the question is …. which advisor/manager/friend let him get away with being so unprepared?

YehuditTX on November 16, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Khun Joe on November 16, 2009 at 9:29 PM

A House rule is NOT a Law… and does not bind a State… who is in CHARGE (Constitutionaly) of its own election Laws.

Ergo, until the State of New York says he is their Representative… the House has no legal standing to Seat a Representative.

Dang that there Constitution… Amazing when a House RULE can Trump the Constitution and a States Power.

Romeo13 on November 16, 2009 at 10:03 PM

What Would Al Franken Do?

BHO Jonestown on November 16, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Uh…. I don’t know… snort a big line of cocaine, and be unfunny?

JohnGalt23 on November 16, 2009 at 10:05 PM

What Would Al Franken Do?

BHO Jonestown on November 16, 2009 at 8:36 PM

what he has always done. Nothing.

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 10:09 PM

I didn’t see this thread until just now but as I said on the one in Headlines, more was being made out of a Beck appearance than was there and so it was and I just posted this on that thread, as well:

Via Twitter

@yidwithlid DOUG HOFFMAN DID NOT UN-CONCEDE : I spoke to his campaign this afternoon, it was just Glenn Beck show joking around –#NY23

KittyLowrey on November 16, 2009 at 10:16 PM

How times change. Once, it was car boots full of booze, now it’s ballots.

OldEnglish on November 16, 2009 at 10:16 PM

And I didn’t hear the program, just went by the transcript in the breathless accounts Hoffman had “unconceded”.

KittyLowrey on November 16, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Move over fellas, the girls have arrived.
Liz Cheney
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman

Actually, competent and smart conservative women have arrived. They are formidible because of their intellect not because of their sex. Therefore, calling them girls plays into the hands of their detractors who want to dismiss them as inconsequential.

highhopes

I’m a conservative female and it doesn’t bother me one bit if someone says girls or fellas, etc.

beachgirlusa on November 16, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Ergo, until the State of New York says he is their Representative… the House has no legal standing to Seat a Representative.

Dang that there Constitution… Amazing when a House RULE can Trump the Constitution and a States Power.

Romeo13 on November 16, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Are you sure about that one?

disillusioned on November 16, 2009 at 10:22 PM

Fight them tooth and nail, Mr. Hoffman!

dogsoldier on November 16, 2009 at 10:24 PM

highhopes on November 16, 2009 at 9:37 PM

I disagree 100%. A) So what if Pelosi would have still found the votes? It would have made her have to work all the harder. B) So what if it would have made Hoffman look bitter? The issues we face today are well worth it. Especially knowing the Dems wouldn’t have thought twice about what others thought. C) Pelosi was able to seat Owens because Hoffman conceded. This election should never have been conceded until all the votes were counted. Conservatives need to learn a good lesson today and learn how to stand up and fight damn it!

galvestonian on November 16, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Good! Let’s hope the results will end up being fair (regardless of who wins) unlike that DISGRACEFUL senate race in Minnesota.

But, not gonna hold my breath, though.

Dr. ZhivBlago on November 16, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Right-on Hoffman, count every vote, fight on!

Dollayo on November 16, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Finally, somebody on the right knows how to stay in it. What does he have to lose?

Mojave Mark on November 16, 2009 at 11:35 PM

Too bad this isn’t a huge area with 8 Mil votes.

If Hoffman could string this along for 3 or so months and jump right back into Campaign mode he’d be remembered when it comes time to vote.

Rbastid on November 16, 2009 at 11:55 PM

Fight for every vote an find some in your car…ever it takes.

Fight like a monkey.

rickyricardo on November 16, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Fight for every vote and find some in your car…whatever it takes.

Fight like a monkey.

(Bluetooth keyboard battery fading fast!)

rickyricardo on November 17, 2009 at 12:00 AM

You got Doug. The troupes will bring in in for you.
I enjoy getting Doug’s emails-very positive attitude.

dragondrop on November 17, 2009 at 12:54 AM

Article I

Section 2 – The House

The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

The STATEs choose their representatives… NOT the House of Reps themselves…

The State has NOT certified the election… efgo they have NOT choosen their Representative.

So, the Congress has, in effect, choosen the NY23 Representative FOR the State, by seating the dem before the election process was complete.

Romeo13 on November 17, 2009 at 2:09 AM

GOP finally learning how to fight these battles?

TexasDan on November 16, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Wrong. It’s THE CONSERVATIVES DOING ALL THE FIGHTING AGAINST LIBERALISM.

Establishment Republicans are nothing but FREE RIDERS.

TheAlamos on November 17, 2009 at 4:46 AM

Vote for Sarah here.

Sapwolf on November 17, 2009 at 4:50 AM

Well if Hoffman did un-concede, it hasn’t made any headlines here in NY.

I live in Saratoga county and there are no reports of this on any of the local news outlets.

Perhaps he’s looking into it?

Talon on November 17, 2009 at 5:35 AM

Uhm wait what, can he even do that???

Ryan Anthony on November 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM

If the vote count hasn’t been certified yet – and since they’re still counting votes, it apparently hasn’t – he can. Certification is what makes it official.

Bobbertsan on November 17, 2009 at 6:58 AM

GOP finally learning how to fight these battles?

TexasDan on November 16, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Yes. Remember the Torricelli.

curved space on November 17, 2009 at 7:34 AM

election should never have been conceded until all the votes were counted. Conservatives need to learn a good lesson today and learn how to stand up and fight damn it!

galvestonian on November 16, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Every election is conceeded before all the votes are counted. You really think that the final tallies were in before Corzine and Deeds conceeded?

highhopes on November 17, 2009 at 8:11 AM

Shut up and smoke your bong.

Coronagold on November 17, 2009 at 8:48 AM

If Hoffman wins and is certified to be the winner, Owens is out and Hoffman gets the seat.

Khun Joe on November 16, 2009 at 9:29 PM

About 20 years ago, a Republican won and was certified in a California district, but the House, which was controled by Democrats, voted to seat the Democrat instead.

MarkTheGreat on November 17, 2009 at 8:49 AM

The most remarkable part of that 1980 victory, IMO, was the fact that it wasn’t even the championship game- which became almost inconsequential after the US beat the USSR. I

highhopes on November 16, 2009 at 9:53 PM

That game was on tape delay in Atlanta. I had worked hard to avoid hearing what the outcome was before the game was broadcast.
About halfway through the game, during a commercial break, the local sportscaster jumps in with a tease for the eleven o-clock news. He told us to turn in hear about the surprise upset in olympic hockey.

The guy wasn’t fired the next day. But he should have been.

MarkTheGreat on November 17, 2009 at 8:53 AM

So, the Congress has, in effect, choosen the NY23 Representative FOR the State, by seating the dem before the election process was complete.

Romeo13 on November 17, 2009 at 2:09 AM

The constitution gives the HOuse sole authority to decide the qualifications of it’s members.

MarkTheGreat on November 17, 2009 at 8:56 AM

I read through a lot of the comments and discovered that you can tell the RINOs from the Conservatives based merely on whether or not they think Hoffman should fight or not. Those later folks are the same guys who said that Republicans shouldn’t fight, or invoke the “Nuclear Option” regarding SCOTUS nominees when Dems played dirty because we have to be honorable and lose with dignity. I’m beginning to think those comments had serious ulterior motives based on this Dede chaos.

Sultry Beauty on November 17, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Kick’em in the ass, Doug.

joe btfsplk on November 17, 2009 at 2:07 PM

On the other hand, this could actually be brilliant.

Think about it: Owens and the vote-stuffing Democrats have already gone home. After the concession, why did they need to continue wasting resources stealing that election when there are other places for their malfeasance to fester?

There is no way they will be able to organize a campaign to defraud with ballots stuck in people’s cars and the like at this point.

BKennedy on November 17, 2009 at 5:11 PM