AP shocka: Support for ObamaCare craters when trade-offs are mentioned

posted at 9:04 pm on November 16, 2009 by Allahpundit

Yeah, it turns out people aren’t as hungry when they find out the free lunch isn’t free. The next time you hear a lefty droning about conservative misinformation on health care, be sure to point out that those robust poll numbers they like to cite for, say, the public option are usually based on questions that posit no adverse consequences. Toss in an adverse consequence or two, particularly related to cost, and, well…

When poll questions were framed broadly, the answers seemed to indicate ample support for Obama’s goals. When required trade-offs were brought into the equation, opinions shifted — sometimes dramatically…

“These trade-offs really matter,” says Robert Blendon, a professor at the Harvard School of Public Health who follows opinion trends. “The legislation contains a number of features that polls have shown to be popular, but support for the overall legislation is less than might be expected because people are worried there are details about these bills that could raise their families’ costs.”…

For example, asked if everyone should be required to have at least some health insurance, 67 percent agreed and 27 percent said no.

The responses flipped when people were asked about requiring everybody to carry insurance or face a federal penalty: 64 percent said they would be opposed, while 28 percent favored that.

Specify jail time as a penalty and see what you get then. Another example: Support for requiring private insurers to cover people regardless of preexisting conditions drops from 82 percent to 43/31 when respondents are told it would mean higher premiums for everyone. Jay Cost was all over this phenomenon last month with respect to polling on the public option but it’s gratifying to see the AP picking it up, as it might — might — force other pollsters to be more thorough with their questions. Meanwhile, even without running through a checklist of trade-offs, respondents break 41/43 against ObamaCare overall. If support for the program hasn’t yet gotten a bounce from the passage of PelosiCare, when’s it happening?

This is a rare case where it’s worth reading the AP’s poll analysis in full, as it’s littered with quotes from people fretting about costs and, in at least one case, tax hikes. Those wingnuts and their crazy ideas.


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geometric failure.

moonbatkiller on November 16, 2009 at 9:07 PM

The AP will take this down quickly…

d1carter on November 16, 2009 at 9:08 PM

GrowFins starts spinning in …3, 2, 1

AUINSC on November 16, 2009 at 9:08 PM

you mean when reality sets in people are hesitant?

too bad people did not realize this when they voted for mr. hopey/changey.

CWforFreedom on November 16, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Everyone wants to have a unicorn, but don’t want the $10,000 bill in the mail for it.

lorien1973 on November 16, 2009 at 9:09 PM

President Obama talking about how he’s going to totally destroy the deficit next year was the first groundwork for the coming tax hikes.

BadgerHawk on November 16, 2009 at 9:10 PM

The Sleepy Giants are awaken . starving from hybernation we feast on liberals-

hawkman on November 16, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Everyone wants to have a unicorn, but don’t want the $10,000 bill in the mail for it.

lorien1973 on November 16, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Free unicorn! Just pay $10,000 for shipping. But the unicorn’s free!

BadgerHawk on November 16, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Make up your mind, people. Do you want it or don’t you?

Dark-Star on November 16, 2009 at 9:12 PM

incompotence on steroids.
xxx rated ignorance.
hardcore lunacy.

moonbatkiller on November 16, 2009 at 9:12 PM

“Specify jail time as a penalty and see what you get then.”

Young Obowma supporter;

“Yes we can! Yes we…. jail time? What the fu%k?”

Seven Percent Solution on November 16, 2009 at 9:12 PM

They could fix the Health care problem with clinics free/low cost – but its not about care — its a tax on producers and a boom for the John Edwards of America.

wheels on November 16, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Lucky for Dr. Utopia he’s overseas successfully…um, burnishing his image or something.

BHO Jonestown on November 16, 2009 at 9:14 PM

but, but, what about my Obama money from Obama’s stash?…he said he was going to pay my mortgage and no more car payments…

LOL! Obama and his socialists are the biggest gift the undeserving GOP could have ever hoped for.

elduende on November 16, 2009 at 9:15 PM

As I said before, skittle-eating unicorns still produce poop. No one wants to see the poop.

SouthernGent on November 16, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Support for universal healthcare has dropped over 1% since Hillarycare.

And when asked if it’s the government’s role to give healthcare, 16% drop this year. And over a 44% drop in the last decade.

No one wants this crapcake.

Enoxo on November 16, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Support for ObamaCare craters when trade-offs are mentioned

One of the hallmarks of modern liberalism is that there are no tradeoffs.

Obamacare will cost the government less, cost you less, give better healthcare, and give it to more people.

Cap n’ Tax will save the environment, produce large numbers of green jobs, and reduce energy costs.

Etc etc.

Now, this is all BS – but that is the way the Obamanauts and the State Media cover it. And given that, it is a surprise that both aren’t wildly popular. I guess, much like in the Soviet Union, people can see that the media is lying to them, though perhaps they don’t get the scope of the deceit.

18-1 on November 16, 2009 at 9:17 PM

Whatchu mean a free lunch ain’t free?

/s

ted c on November 16, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Yes we can! Yes we…. jail time? What the fu%k?”
Seven Percent Solution on November 16, 2009 at 9:12 PM

+5

ted c on November 16, 2009 at 9:19 PM

Say it isn’t so….Free healthcare is not FREE?
Fo-Shizzle.

HornetSting on November 16, 2009 at 9:20 PM

Everyone loves the free lunch… until they find out about the Kool-Aid.

ajacksonian on November 16, 2009 at 9:20 PM

But it’s free if we just borrow the money.

pedestrian on November 16, 2009 at 9:20 PM

I just spent the day at the CA DMV and Social Security offices. Anyone who would want that same experience to taint their health care is just plain loco maximoso.

bbz123 on November 16, 2009 at 9:21 PM

Yes, but it is free when the rich pay for it.

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 9:23 PM

But, why do I have to go to jail, Barry?

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 9:24 PM

you would think people are happy with their current options.

rob verdi on November 16, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Well no s$it. Jail time is so appealing /

bazil9 on November 16, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Lucky for Dr. Utopia he’s overseas successfully…um, burnishing his image or something.

BHO Jonestown on November 16, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Can I come home yet?

BadgerHawk on November 16, 2009 at 9:27 PM

That is the way people always answer these questions on just about anything. Want to cut green house gas emissions? Well, yeah…What if it means higher energy costs? Screw that.

Terrye on November 16, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Broken record here I know but Obama’s approval numbers are creeping up! How come? I’m so disappointed in my fellow Americans…

It’s probably like this poll. In the abstract people still like him. And he’s off TV 24/7 while in Asia.

Do people vote in abstract or details?

petunia on November 16, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Yes, but it is free when the rich pay for it.

Ed Zachary!

So, tax and regulate all of those mean rich people out of all their money and………uh, wait

JoeinTX on November 16, 2009 at 9:28 PM

For example, asked if everyone should be required to have at least some health insurance, 67 percent agreed and 27 percent said no.
The responses flipped when people were asked about requiring everybody to carry insurance or face a federal penalty: 64 percent said they would be opposed, while 28 percent favored that.

So 40% of people asked don’t know the definition of “required”?

malclave on November 16, 2009 at 9:29 PM

More tax hikes? Obama doesn’t just want to lose the next election, he wants to do it by a record margin.

“Are you better off than you were four years ago?”

MTF on November 16, 2009 at 9:30 PM

But it IS free…

It is free for the lobbyists, bureaucrats, and politicians who wrote the bill and exempted themselves from it for life.

Everyone else will have to foot the bill or go to jail, but hey…

… anything to keep that smile on Nancy Pelosi’s puss, and another take over of a part of the country for Obowma.

Don’t you just love it when a plan comes together?

Seven Percent Solution on November 16, 2009 at 9:31 PM

There will be a Conservative majority in power for a generation after Obama-Pelosi have finished.

EscapeVelocity on November 16, 2009 at 9:32 PM

But it’s free if we just borrow PRINT the money.

pedestrian on November 16, 2009 at 9:20 PM

FIFY…

Khun Joe on November 16, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Lucky for Dr. Utopia he’s overseas successfully…um, burnishing brandishing his image backside or something.

BHO Jonestown on November 16, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Sorry, I had to fix that!

4shoes on November 16, 2009 at 9:33 PM

I’d like top see a poll where simple questions are asked.

1) Do you have health insurance?

2) Are you satisfied with your health insurance?

3) Are you willing to pay more for yourself and for, say, about three or four others, not family members, so you all can get mediocre health care provided?

4) Are you willing to pay a massive fine or face jail time for not enabling others to get “free” health insurance on your dime?

coldwarrior on November 16, 2009 at 9:34 PM

There’s more! Government Task Force Says Women Don’t Need Mammograms In Their 40s The rationing begins disguised as science.

jdkchem on November 16, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Wait, I thought only “someone else” was going to pay for all this.

stldave on November 16, 2009 at 9:34 PM

There’s more! Government Task Force Says Women Don’t Need Mammograms In Their 40s The rationing begins disguised as science.

jdkchem on November 16, 2009 at 9:34 PM

I saw the same thing! And I thought the same thing. The rationing begins.

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 9:35 PM

If you like your doctor, you can will be required to keep your doctor.

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 9:36 PM

There’s more! Government Task Force Says Women Don’t Need Mammograms In Their 40s The rationing begins disguised as science.

jdkchem on November 16, 2009 at 9:34 PM

The subtle creep of the death panel.

jimmy2shoes on November 16, 2009 at 9:38 PM

jdkchem on November 16, 2009 at 9:34 PM

I know two women who developed breast cancer in their 30′s. Under the “new” system, scientific, of course, they’d have been dead a long long time ago….long long before they hit their 50′s.

coldwarrior on November 16, 2009 at 9:40 PM

This Gigantic Pile of Shite will never become law, partly because too many people in Congress realize that ten seconds after the first American citizen is put in jail for not buying insurance, The Shooting starts.

Janos Hunyadi on November 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM

The secret plan to gain popular support for DemocratCare is gaining momentum: Noriel Roubini says unemployment is going higher and it’ll stay high for at least two more years (if not longer).

MTF on November 16, 2009 at 9:47 PM

The AP must have reasigned a couple of the 11 fact checkers.

unseen on November 16, 2009 at 9:48 PM

BadgerHawk & 4shoes – LOL! Such comments reconfirm my love for HA. PS – I visited http://www.iOwnTheWorld.com & I will gladly return.

BHO Jonestown on November 16, 2009 at 9:53 PM

One of the hallmarks of modern liberalism is that there are no tradeoffs.

Obamacare will cost the government less, cost you less, give better healthcare, and give it to more people.

18-1 on November 16, 2009 at 9:17 PM

One of the big contradictions of Leftism is that the private sector is cold, heartless and ruthless in wringing efficiency out of workers and industries, except in the health insurance industry, where apparently there are just billions and billions of dollars to be saved in “overhead”, which, when asked, they’ll identify as “marketing” and “underwriting” and “executive salaries”, all of which together add up to a few percentage points of premium dollars.

And, contrary to their statements, most of marketing is actually explaining to policyholders what their benefits are, so not going to be able to save a lot there. Underwriting may not be required per se, but you still need actuaries to figure out the costs, in order to set tax/premium rates and while you might be able to save a few million (let’s say $100 million or even $1 billion) in executive salaries, that’s a drop in the bucket in a multi-trillion dollar industry.

And, counteracting those savings will be the massive increase in fraud endemic to all government programs.

No way this thing gives better health care coverage and costs less. No way, no how.

venividivici on November 16, 2009 at 9:54 PM

I know two women who developed breast cancer in their 30’s.

Well, not Cancer – cancer, right? Because if it was Cancer – cancer and those women couldn’t get screening in their 30′s without paying for it out of pocket, that would be government intervention in health care decisions, something like “Death Panels”, and we all know that those are words uttered by illiterate, winking, moose-hunters to scare us! They could never become real.

Well, not Real – real! Right?

drunyan8315 on November 16, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Well, at least we can confidently predict the eradication of one disease if Obamacare passes and the obvious rationing starts.

Democrats.

drunyan8315 on November 16, 2009 at 10:01 PM

OT: Obama and Holder are an absolute disgrace.

Key West Reader on November 16, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Yeah, it turns out people aren’t as hungry when they find out the free lunch isn’t free. The next time you hear a lefty droning about conservative misinformation on health care, be sure to point out that those robust poll numbers they like to cite for, say, the public option are usually based on questions that posit no adverse consequences.

More importantly, make sure your elected officials know how ya feel.

highhopes on November 16, 2009 at 10:08 PM

OT: Obama and Holder are an absolute disgrace.

Key West Reader on November 16, 2009 at 10:07 PM

OT definitely not “Off Target” in this case.

highhopes on November 16, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Heh, I saw my first “Who is John Galt” bumper sticker on the car ahead of me stopped at a traffic signal.

onlineanalyst on November 16, 2009 at 10:09 PM

This Gigantic Pile of Shite will never become law, partly because too many people in Congress realize that ten seconds after the first American citizen is put in jail for not buying insurance, The Shooting starts.

Janos Hunyadi on November 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Let’s keep in mind that the filthy lying coward in the White House and his corrupt party do not have to win the hearts and minds of America to seize national healthcare. They need only bribe about 218 Congressmen and 60 Senators. Factor in the fact that many are closet socialists and the numbers become even less formidible.

highhopes on November 16, 2009 at 10:12 PM

OT: Obama and Holder are an absolute disgrace.

Key West Reader on November 16, 2009 at 10:07 PM

That video gave me chills…all over again.

I will never forget seeing high school juniors filing into my classroom in tears and shock, telling me to turn on the television. Most had just come from a social studies class where they had seen the news of 9/11 in the making.

I have nothing but contempt for ObaMao and Holder. Their loyalties do not lie with our nation and its security.

onlineanalyst on November 16, 2009 at 10:23 PM

OT …but another great video re: “The Bow”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U6fL7Y4BZA&feature=player_embedded#

CWforFreedom on November 16, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Is AP finally doing their job?

Eyvonne on November 16, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Discovering cancer costs too much. So in order to help reduce waste in our healthcare system, Pelosicare will not cover mammograms until you are in your fifties.

ASK YOUR BEAUROCRAT IF MAMMOGRAM IS RIGHT FOR YOU.

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Everyone wants to have a unicorn, but don’t want the $10,000 bill in the mail for it horn in their hinie.

lorien1973 on November 16, 2009 at 9:09 PM

dhunter on November 16, 2009 at 10:35 PM

The secret plan to gain popular support for DemocratCare is gaining momentum: Noriel Roubini says unemployment is going higher and it’ll stay high for at least two more years (if not longer).

MTF on November 16, 2009 at 9:47 PM

Heh. Noriel Roubini predicts a peak of 11% I hope she’s right as I could see it getting far worse.

If unemployment like this lasts for a full year, I would fully expect to see heads rolling. If it lasts for two years, you’ll see more than just heads.

I think she’s right about how long the unemployment will last. I just hope she’s right about that peak.

Chaz706 on November 16, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Discovering cancer costs too much. So in order to help reduce waste in our healthcare system, Pelosicare will not cover mammograms until you are in your fifties.

ASK YOUR BEAUROCRAT IF MAMMOGRAM IS RIGHT FOR YOU.

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 10:30 PM

News out today that it is better for women and more cost effective to have a mammogram every two years and not every year! I kid you not heard it on the news!
Rationing has begun with the help of the media!

I’d like to know the surviaval rate for brest cancer discovered in the 23rd month vs the 11th!

OmamaCare killin off people to contain costs and libs have no problem with that!

dhunter on November 16, 2009 at 10:40 PM

When, when, when will we see a breakdown of support based level of taxes paid? If 50% of Obamacare supporters are already people on the public dole and not likely to be impacted by the higher taxes then frankly I don’t give a damn what they think. Polls like this should be restricted to taxpayers.

DerKrieger on November 16, 2009 at 10:47 PM

As Robert Heinlein used to say: there ain’t no such thing as a free lunch!

Dhuka on November 16, 2009 at 11:09 PM

Reality’s a bitch, sometimes.

hillbillyjim on November 16, 2009 at 11:41 PM

So while they are going to start cutting back on mammograms for women, what are they going to cut back on for men?

silvernana on November 17, 2009 at 1:44 AM

But it’s free if we just borrow the money.

pedestrian on November 16, 2009 at 9:20 PM

According to a tape I heard of some woman in Detroit, Obama has a stash.

BuckeyeSam on November 17, 2009 at 2:55 AM

It appears that cousin Pookie is headed to the pokie, as per
The Warden.

betsyz on November 17, 2009 at 5:03 AM

The expression “pig in a poke” comes to mind.

Kafir on November 17, 2009 at 7:12 AM

What’s the problem?
Just make rich people pay for it.
Nothin’ wrong with spreadin’ the wealth around a bit.
Yeah, that’s the ticket.

justltl on November 17, 2009 at 7:33 AM

People are stupid. How can you not know that “FORCING A BUSINESS” to undercharge ONE person is going to influence the costs for the others? I guess that as long as GUBMENT makes up the difference and it’s not the PEOPLE paying, it’s OK, right? ;)

marklmail on November 17, 2009 at 7:36 AM

Even China isn’t buying into Obamacare

mizflame98 on November 17, 2009 at 7:58 AM

We have to get the message out as to the consequences of the bill. This is why the Dems are pushing so hard to get it done right away. Shine a light into the corners of the bill and the cockroaches flee.

skatz51 on November 17, 2009 at 8:02 AM

Discovering cancer costs too much. So in order to help reduce waste in our healthcare system, Pelosicare will not cover mammograms until you are in your fifties.

ASK YOUR BEAUROCRAT IF MAMMOGRAM IS RIGHT FOR YOU.

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 10:30 PM

News out today that it is better for women and more cost effective to have a mammogram every two years and not every year! I kid you not heard it on the news!
Rationing has begun with the help of the media!

I’d like to know the surviaval rate for brest cancer discovered in the 23rd month vs the 11th!

OmamaCare killin off people to contain costs and libs have no problem with that!

dhunter on November 16, 2009 at 10:40 PM

I heard these two items today, and heard the word “effectiveness” used, also. My jaw dropped at the sheer audacity of the propaganda.

The radio announcer’s summary was sarcastically, and succinctly, put this way:

“Obviously, there are women in their fourties whose lives are saved by early detection…just not enough of them.”

Palin elegantly captured the core of government controlled health care with the term “Death Panel”, a sign that she can distill the essence from confusing concepts. That’s called intelligence…most folks call it common sense.

David Brooks, and others like him, cannot wrap their heads around simplicity. They confuse it with stupidity.

Brooks repeated his meme last Sunday framing Sarah Palin as an affront to intellectualism. Yet, I hardly ever recognize anything he says as evidence of noticeable intellect. He’s definitely a purist when it comes to sophistry, though. He is the quintessential pretender, and a gossip to boot.

Brooks et al, would be well advised to learn the underlying weight of these two observations:

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, and small minds discuss people.

Eleanor Roosevelt

If you can’t explain it simply, you do not understand it well enough.

Albert Einstein

Saltysam on November 17, 2009 at 9:03 AM

From the HA headlines this morning:

Death Panels Proposed By The Ruling Class

This story deserves its own post, donchya think?

Saltysam on November 17, 2009 at 9:12 AM

It’s typical….no one cares if “someone else” (like “the rich”) have to pay for things. That changes when the “someone” is me. I still think the most effective way to combat this horrendous bill is to show what a family of two, four, etc. would actually have to pay per year. Show Johnny that he’ll have to pay $25K or go to jail and suddenly, the support will wane in a hurry.

search4truth on November 17, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Yes, but it is free when the rich pay for it.

bloggless on November 16, 2009 at 9:23 PM

And RICH is always someone who makes MORE than I do. /s

katiejane on November 17, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Truth and facts always does this to the AP … the fountain head of the lamestream media.

tarpon on November 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Obama: But it’s only gonna cost, what it’s gonna cost, he’p me out here, we gotta get revved up. (TOTUS failure).

Townhall protesters and Tea Partiers: You got us revved up, now what’s it gonna cost???

Steve Z on November 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Instead of worthless teabags, lets refuse to pay taxes next 4/15. Everyone can’t be arrested.

jgdp on November 17, 2009 at 8:56 PM

There’s going to be health care for everyone!!!

(Yaaaaaay!!!!)

…and you’re going to pay for it!!!

(Booooooooooo!!!!!!)

landlines on November 17, 2009 at 9:00 PM