Study shows ObamaCare would cut Medicare services, providers

posted at 9:00 am on November 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

A blockbuster study by the bureaucracy that manages Medicare and Medicaid threw a deluge of cold water on claims by Barack Obama and Congressional Democrats that $500 billion in cuts to Medicare would improve coverage for seniors.  The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services reported that the cuts would likely reduce the number of providers available to seniors, reduce their care options, and create an access crisis.  The only fix that would address that would be to restore much of what Congress has cut — which would wipe out the funding for ObamaCare (via HA reader Geoff A):

A plan to slash more than $500 billion from future Medicare spending — one of the biggest sources of funding for President Obama’s proposed overhaul of the nation’s health-care system — would sharply reduce benefits for some senior citizens and could jeopardize access to care for millions of others, according to a government evaluation released Saturday.

The report, requested by House Republicans, found that Medicare cuts contained in the health package approved by the House on Nov. 7 are likely to prove so costly to hospitals and nursing homes that they could stop taking Medicare altogether.

Congress could intervene to avoid such an outcome, but “so doing would likely result in significantly smaller actual savings” than is currently projected, according to the analysis by the chief actuary for the agency that administers Medicare and Medicaid. That would wipe out a big chunk of the financing for the health-care reform package, which is projected to cost $1.05 trillion over the next decade. …

In the face of greatly increased demand for services, providers are likely to charge higher fees or take patients with better-paying private insurance over Medicaid recipients, “exacerbating existing access problems” in that program, according to the report from Richard S. Foster of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

In other words, the warnings about the Canadianization of the American health-care system have proven correct, especially as far as Medicare enrollees are concerned.  We already have a crisis in providers for the government-run network.  Thanks to unrealistic compensation schedules, many providers have stopped taking new Medicare patients, forcing them to fewer providers and into longer waits for care.  The CMMS study shows that the massive cuts proposed by the Pelosi plan in the House and the Reid plan coming to the Senate floor would — not surprisingly — make a bad situation worse.

Politico reports that the bill would actually increase costs, not reduce them as Democrats promised:

Democrats have promised that health reform would reduce health care costs, but legislation the House passed last week would increase costs over the next decade by $289 billion. By 2019, health costs would rise to 21.1 percent of GDP compared to 20.8 under current law, according to an actuarial report prepared by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. …

In other words, outside of Medicare payment cuts to hospitals, the bill doesn’t curb increasing health care costs. And even the Medicare payment cuts will be difficult to sustain.

We’ve talked before about the difference between price and cost.  CMMS apparently understands that better than Congress.  One does not decrease the costs of providing care by simply capping the price.  All that does is limit the compensation, which means that providers have to either cut services or go out of business.  When producers have to cut back production without a commensurate reduction in demand in conjunction with arbitrary price caps, then the product has to get rationed artificially in order to manage shortages or the producers will go entirely out of business.  That’s as true for health care as it was for gasoline in 1973 and 1979.

Chris Frates picks some highlights from CMMS’ study:

Pg. 3 – “Most of the provisions of H.R. 3962 that were designed, in part, to reduce the rate of growth in health care costs would have a relatively small savings impact.” Translation: Things like wellness and prevention programs and reducing Medicare fraud don’t save much money.

Pg. 8 – The bill reduces Medicare payments to hospitals and nursing homes over time based on productivity targets. The idea is that by paying institutions less money, they will be forced to become more productive. But it’s doubtful that many institutions can hit those targets, which could force them to withdraw from Medicare, the report says.

Pg. 9 – By 2014, Medicare Advantage enrollment would drop 64 percent from 13.2 million to 4.7 million because of less generous benefit packages.

Most interestingly, this particular piece refutes an argument often made by Obama:

Pg. 10 – While many argue that wellness programs decrease costs by preventing expensive-to-treat diseases, they don’t save money. More screenings and preventive care combined with a longer lifespan generally increase costs, the report says.

The CBO said the same thing more than two months ago.  Early detection through screenings and preventive care will reduce treatment for patients who actually catch the diseases for which they get screened — but not overall, as most people don’t ever get those specific diseases.  That’s a fairly obvious point, but one that Obama keeps getting wrong.  That doesn’t make wellness and prevention programs wrong, but they’re not going to save money.  In fact, they’ll make the system even more expensive than it is now.

And finally there’s this:

Pg 16 – “The additional demand for health services could be difficult to meet initially with existing health provider resources and could lead to price increases, cost-shifting, changes in providers’ willingness to treat patients with low-reimbursement health coverage.” Translation: A crush of newly insured patients could be a shock to the system.

Actually, the translation is this: The reforms proposed by the Democrats go in the wrong direction.  Instead of solving for overuse, they have created a system that will make overuse explode, thanks to removing rational pricing signals for consumers.  The problem with the current system is that we have third parties involved in too many health-care provider transactions.  ObamaCare makes that worse, and creates a strong disincentive for providers to boot.

ObamaCare is a disaster for Medicare — and for the country.  Time to throw it out and start over, and focus on removing third parties from all transactions but hospitalization and catastrophic care.

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BEHOLD!!! The wisdom and power of government.

jimmy2shoes on November 15, 2009 at 9:04 AM

whoomp there it is

ginaswo on November 15, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Ed,We both know those cuts will never happen. They will be rolled-back in a year or two in some midnight session when all the current hubub is over. Congress (both GoP and Dem) have never had much stomach for medicare reimbursement rate cuts.

NPP on November 15, 2009 at 9:08 AM

tried to explain this to my dad…God Bless his liberal loving soul…in one ear, out the other…

cmsinaz on November 15, 2009 at 9:08 AM

“Tough! We Don’t Care. You’re getting it anyway. Obama has staked the success or failure of his presidency on it and we’re shoving it down your throat. How hard is that to comprehend?”

/sarc off

GoldenEagle4444 on November 15, 2009 at 9:18 AM

Oh, no! Another study that shows the U.S. government mismanaging ANOTHER PROGRAM? Can this be racist? Maybe terrorism? We need a Congressional Committee to investigate this Congressional Study, quick! We’ll get to the truth!
Haaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This will make the Daily Report for sure!

Cybergeezer on November 15, 2009 at 9:19 AM

You must be mistaken Ed. The government would never lie to us or steer us wrong. They exist to help us. /s

mizflame98 on November 15, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Wow, this plan keeps getting better and better. They clearly have the people’s best interests in heart. Sign me up!

Grafted on November 15, 2009 at 9:21 AM

And the AARP endorsed this…

Think about that, you seasoned citizens. That group that ‘represents’ you, that you trust to look out for you, that you send your dues in for religiously to fund, just sold you out for a mess of pottage.

MunDane68 on November 15, 2009 at 9:22 AM

AARP?

You there?

Hello?

Joe Caps on November 15, 2009 at 9:22 AM

But, but it will make Democrats feel good. Can’t you see how much they care? Sure, they’ll make things far worse, but all the cool leftists, like the Europeans, have government run healthcare, why can’t we?

trubble on November 15, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Tarring and feathering is too good for that putrid AARP.

rplat on November 15, 2009 at 9:24 AM

I’m going to have a rubber stamp made of Pelosi’s face with that sardonic grimace and use it on all documents sent to employees that are being laid off, or impacted by any tax increases. The caption will read “Merry Christmas”.

Cybergeezer on November 15, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Cybergeezer on November 15, 2009 at 9:28 AM

excellent…

cmsinaz on November 15, 2009 at 9:30 AM

The report, requested by House Republicans, found that Medicare cuts contained in the health package approved by the House on Nov. 7 are likely to prove so costly to hospitals and nursing homes that they could stop taking Medicare altogether.

Why do liberals hate old people and want us all to die?

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 9:30 AM

MunDane68 on November 15, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Joe Caps on November 15, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Why the AARP would be happy to sell you a supplemental policy to make up for Medicate shortfalls….

s/off

Wethal on November 15, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Why do liberals hate old people and want us all to die?

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 9:30 AM

A smaller population is easier to control?

Wethal on November 15, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Pray for obama…Psalms 109:8, through Christs name AMEN.

DougDavis on November 15, 2009 at 9:34 AM

And let’s not forget that boomers are continuing to enter that “Medicare age” and more will be dumped into the system that will not accept them…

texabama on November 15, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Does anyone think AARP has senior citizens interests at heart? They’re in it for the money. Obamacare spells MONEY FOR US!! I rejected them for the liberal slime they are many years (too many) ago. Obamacare = money for AARP
= power for gov’t

donh525 on November 15, 2009 at 9:36 AM

It’s all going to plan – single payer, one service.

OldEnglish on November 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM

I remember a American International movie in the 60′s called “Wild in the Streets”. The hippies/left took over and no one over 30 could vote and they put old people in camps and gave them LSD. Pretty funny at the time. No so much now.

Hummer53 on November 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Why do liberals hate old people and want us all to die?

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 9:30 AM

True and they made sure to exempt themselves.

Jeff2161 on November 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM

the small hospitals in my area will have to close. The administrators whispered this fact before the House vote. My Congressman, Dem Tom Perriello, said that cutting Medicare would not affect hospital services–his staffer told me that.

can’t these people read? do they read? do they care?

kelley in virginia on November 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Ed gets this, but didn’t mention it here: Uncle Barry has not got it wrong; health care is irrelevant to him. His agenda is to wreck capitalism by destroying the economy.

The report only shows that Uncle is right on track for accomplishing his real agenda.

ManUFan on November 15, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Politico reports that the bill would actually increase costs, not reduce them as Democrats promised

But Ed! Nancy said this is our Christmas present!

And with carbon offsetting, we’re not even going to get any coal in our stockings!

Why are liberals like the Grinch who stole Christmas?

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Pray for obama…Psalms 109:8, through Christs name AMEN.

DougDavis on November 15, 2009 at 9:34 AM

If that works, I’m going back to church every day!
Amen, amen, amen, amen!

Cybergeezer on November 15, 2009 at 9:38 AM

An uninformed smaller population is easier to control?
Wethal on November 15, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Where’s my handout?? //s

yoda on November 15, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Why do liberals hate old people and want us all to die?

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 9:30 AM

We don’t produce anything but nasty posts on Hotair exposing their vapidness?

donh525 on November 15, 2009 at 9:39 AM

A plan to slash more than $500 billion from future Medicare spending — one of the biggest sources of funding for President Obama’s proposed overhaul of the nation’s health-care system — would sharply reduce benefits for some senior citizens and could jeopardize access to care for millions of others, according to a government evaluation released Saturday.

I am shocked, SHOCKED I TELL YOU! that San Fran Nan and the Messiah would lie to us.

conservnut on November 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Time to say BBYE to the AARP.

Mojave Mark on November 15, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Wait. You’re saying that Pelosi got them to vote for this without mentioning any of this? That would be kind of dishonest wouldn’t it?

TugboatPhil on November 15, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Why do liberals hate old people and want us all to die?

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 9:30 AM

They are harder to herd into the box cars for relocation.

Aviator on November 15, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Time to say BBYE to the AARP.

Mojave Mark on November 15, 2009 at 9:41 AM

I become eligible for membership in May, I can’t wait for the invite from them to join. I am still formulating my plan for how to tell them to kiss my a$$!

conservnut on November 15, 2009 at 9:44 AM

you know, if the government itself is painting a bleak picture thru their evaluations (this study plus CBO), then you know it is horrible

kelley in virginia on November 15, 2009 at 9:45 AM

kiss my a$$!

conservnut on November 15, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Seems you found the perfect short and sweet response. I think the dollar signs are appropriate.

CWforFreedom on November 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM

tugboatphil: my Congressman, Perriello, 5th CD, Va, a DEMOCRAT, swears he reads each & every bill. So he had to know that this was in this bill. and he claimed he read the prior bill that was the topic of all the townhall debates.

yet he voted for it anyway.

kelley in virginia on November 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM

I can’t believe a study was needed to disprove a half trillion dollar cut would make Medicare better.

Chuck Schick on November 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Why are liberals like the Grinch who stole Christmas?

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Because they see us too happy and wish to steal our happiness for themselves. Kinda Grinchy aren’t they?

donh525 on November 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM

I become eligible for membership in May, I can’t wait for the invite from them to join. I am still formulating my plan for how to tell them to kiss my a$$!

conservnut on November 15, 2009 at 9:44 AM

AARP is like the Government. When you have “earned” membership (by living long enough), you just get a notice that you are now a member – along with your membership card. No need to accept (and they ignore you if you return it). Congratulations!!

ManUFan on November 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Liberals and lies. You can’t have one without the other.

donh525 on November 15, 2009 at 9:51 AM

ManUFan on November 15, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Spot on!

galvestonian on November 15, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Liberals live in zero-sum land. If you prevent disease from becoming chronic you save money on eventual treatments! It’s so logical it has to make sense!

1. Cap costs.
2. …
3. Profit!

Genius!

Neo on November 15, 2009 at 9:53 AM

I can’t believe a study was needed to disprove a half trillion dollar cut would make Medicare better.

Chuck Schick on November 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM

You’ve raised a very important point that must be addressed. I propose conducting a study to determine whether that study was needed.

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 9:54 AM

AARP is like the Government. When you have “earned” membership (by living long enough), you just get a notice that you are now a member – along with your membership card. No need to accept (and they ignore you if you return it). Congratulations!!

ManUFan on November 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Yes! You are a “potential member” for life!

donh525 on November 15, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Expect whatever bastardized form of health care exploit that can be passed with as much liberal agenda in it as will pass because just like every other matter on the Democrat docket, they’re not about anything other than massive growth of government with all of liberty killing and permanent Democrat majority politicization of the country that comes from trashing our founders wildly successful vision of America.

When will the GOP step up and call the left agenda what it is, tyranny.

Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.
Ronald Reagan

Man is not free unless government is limited.
Ronald Reagan

No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth!
Ronald Reagan

Speakup on November 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Say goodbye to any medical services company that advertises on Fox. No more commercials for The Scooter Store, Liberty Medical, Liberator Medical.

meci on November 15, 2009 at 9:57 AM

This is not a suprise to those who wrote the bill:

Medicare cuts contained in the health package approved by the House on Nov. 7 are likely to prove so costly to hospitals and nursing homes that they could stop taking Medicare altogether.

This is a desired result. Providers will be forced to limit Medicare patients or go broke. The limits to access creates public anger which will be spun by the Marxists as “greed” on the part of the heartless mean providers. The solution will be more government riding to the rescue with single payer. If there is only one payer nobody can turn it down you see.

Aviator on November 15, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Poppycock.

Who are gonna believe? Some CMMS report…..or Queen Nancy.

If Nancy tells you a rooster can pull a boxcar…hook him up.

Spider79 on November 15, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Why do liberals hate old people and want us all to die?

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Because the Republicans and conservative party is comprised of old white men.///sarc

canditaylor68 on November 15, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Spider79 on November 15, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Nancy Pelosi is the smartest, most honest and most beautiful woman on earth!

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Pelosi is starring in a Michael Moore movie for the holidays this year; It’s going to be called “MERRY CHRISTMAS, SUCKAS”!

Cybergeezer on November 15, 2009 at 10:06 AM

The truth is vouchers would do more to cut medicare and medicaid costs than any top down socalled reform.

Terrye on November 15, 2009 at 10:07 AM

NPP

not so fast! Orszag has thoughtfully constructed an iMAC panel to make these pesky decisions, like the one they have in the UK that denies Avastin to women with breast cancer

this way the pesky Seniors cannot lean on Congress

I think they really plan to cut Medicare bennies, SS is up next when my GEN X will be well and truly reamed

ginaswo on November 15, 2009 at 10:07 AM

The bad news is that your pacemaker is not approved. The good news is that your $10.00 donut hole co-pay is now covered! Celebrate, Grandma!

bloggless on November 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Somebody wake him up! He’s having a nightmare!

Cybergeezer on November 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM

The good thing is that Nancy has said the her bill will reduce waste and fraud. The bad news is that libs think most elder care is a waste and fraud.

bloggless on November 15, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Why do liberals hate old people and want us all to die?

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 9:30 AM

You have it wrong, Lox…it’s the Republicans who want us to die quickly, remember?

Grayson

ladyingray on November 15, 2009 at 10:11 AM

The truth is vouchers would do more to cut medicare and medicaid costs than any top down socalled reform.

Terrye on November 15, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Are you trying to ruin our Sunday funnies?

Cybergeezer on November 15, 2009 at 10:11 AM

I’m going to have a rubber stamp made of Pelosi’s face with that sardonic grimace and use it on all documents sent to employees that are being laid off, or impacted by any tax increases. The caption will read “Merry Christmas”.

Cybergeezer on November 15, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Thanks for the miseries.

justltl on November 15, 2009 at 10:12 AM

justltl on November 15, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Nice; But I want it in black!

Cybergeezer on November 15, 2009 at 10:14 AM

I don’t really understand why you don’t quote me in this debate. Seriously, it’s been my life. If I have expertise on anything, it would be this. But it’s OK. Let me correct one minor detail if you will be discussing it as an ‘expert’ here.

The CMMS study shows that the massive cuts proposed by the Pelosi plan in the House and the Reid plan coming to the Senate floor would — not surprisingly — make a bad situation worse.

It’s ‘CMS’. How do I know? It’s the regulatory body that strikes fear in insurance companies and agents alike. What they say goes. . . period. That’s why HHS used them to sick Humana.

I bet you’d give me more credit if I were Catholic. I’ve found that Catholics give other Catholics the benefit of the doubt. And non-Catholics get to play second fiddle if there is a choice. Sort of like reverse ‘anti-Catholic’ bias where Catholics give other Catholics advantages they wouldn’t give a non-Catholic. It happens all the time. This is the first I’ve brought it up but it’s why Steele gets a pass on everything. . . and likely why Gingrich converted (to get a pass on stuff because after all. . . he’s Catholic). The Catholics are responsible for the Stupak amendment. . . but that means they are OK with the destruction that will happen to the entire system so long as they get this abortion stance on the books. They won’t get Pelosi or Kerry and other Catholics to be against abortion (the reason it is still legal now). . . but they want to make sure they get credit for being ‘anti-abortion’.

Abortion is the least of the problems with this bill. But it’s good that the Catholic bishops show concern for legislation. For the record, it’s CMS. . . you don’t have to quote me. . . it’s common knowledge.

ThackerAgency on November 15, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Ed gets this, but didn’t mention it here: Uncle Barry has not got it wrong; health care is irrelevant to him. His agenda is to wreck capitalism by destroying the economy.
The report only shows that Uncle is right on track for accomplishing his real agenda.

ManUFan on November 15, 2009 at 9:38 AM

.
Cloward-Piven Strategy

iurockhead on November 15, 2009 at 10:33 AM

House Democrats Unveil Health Care Bill Cutting Billions from Medicare on Steps of Aztec Ziggurat http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/10/house-democrats-introduce-health-care.html

Mervis Winter on November 15, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Why do liberals hate old people and want us all to die?

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 9:30 AM
A smaller population is easier to control?

Wethal on November 15, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Younger people are easier to indoctrinate.

AZCoyote on November 15, 2009 at 10:38 AM

AP Newsflash: Nancy Pelosi introduces new legislation entitled The Senior Citizens Suicide Act Of 2010. “Due to cuts in Medicare spending resulting in senior citizens dying painfully without proper care, the Democrats in the house, to show their compassion for senior citizens, have introduced this legislation” Said the Speaker in a brief to the press. ” We don’t wish to see a single senior suffer” she said. /sarc

donh525 on November 15, 2009 at 10:41 AM

donh525 on November 15, 2009 at 10:41 AM

Nancy Pelosi is the kindest, most compassionate and most generous woman on earth!

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Surprise, surprise!!! Like she really cares.

GFW on November 15, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Here are a few of links to a story done with John Toussaint, MD of ThedaCare in Appleton WI. (I’ve had first hand experience with this healthcare system and been involved with their LEAN process, the “Toyota model”. It has saved millions in expenses while IMPROVING the care of patients. Something that can be implemented WITHOUT government intervening into our lives).

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541625,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/25995300/what-is-thedacare.htm#q=thedacare

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/25995302/increased-quality-of-care.htm#q=thedacare

lyfsatrip on November 15, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Politico reports that the bill would actually increase costs, not reduce them as Democrats promised:

They must of got an F in obama math.

Brat4life on November 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM

I hope Medicare is cut to the bone and all those oldsters who voted for Dems for 50 years get what they deserve.

angryed on November 15, 2009 at 10:56 AM

We needed a study for this?

Skandia Recluse on November 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM

My first question is why don’t they cut MEDICAID and why is it paid out of SS funds.

Seniors at were forced to pay SS all their working lives, MEDICAID recipients paid nothing.

If SS was paid only to people who contibuted and hadn’t been dumped into the general fund BY DEMOCRATS, it wouldn’t be in the shape it is in to-day.

Since Obummer thinks all SS recipients represent his “tyical white woman” grandmother I guess he just doesn’t give a s**t.

concernedsenior on November 15, 2009 at 11:08 AM

AARP is like the Government. When you have “earned” membership (by living long enough), you just get a notice that you are now a member – along with your membership card. No need to accept (and they ignore you if you return it). Congratulations!!

ManUFan on November 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Oh I bet if I try hard enough, I can get them to want to get rid of me. :-)

conservnut on November 15, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Picking away at medicare costs, raised taxes, loss of services may madden most Americans but it plays to the insidious liberal agenda because by default attacking the edges of the leftist dream, authoritarian ravenous monsters automatically validates their premise of government oppression by force.

We’re fully justified with our revulsion of the symptoms, but its a cauterizing nuclear device detonated at the very core of the seething, oozing, diseased, beast, in a full, high gear enslavement drive to succeed, that’s needed.

America needs leaders more than ever before.

Speakup on November 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM

The Democrats want old people to die.

rbj on November 15, 2009 at 11:26 AM

What else is new?

Gov’t gets involved imposing artificial guidelines and cost structures not related to market realities and……….BS ensues.

This bill is sheer madness but it’s perfectly suited to the liberal left mindset.

JoeinTX on November 15, 2009 at 11:26 AM

And the AARP endorsed this…

Think about that, you seasoned citizens. That group that ‘represents’ you, that you trust to look out for you, that you send your dues in for religiously to fund, just sold you out for a mess of pottage.

MunDane68 on November 15, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Yes, under this plan AARP would need to totally change their business plan ot go out of business.

BigMike252 on November 15, 2009 at 11:31 AM

All of you folks reluctant to call your senator or congress person has better log their contact number somewhere close because if this sham sh*t goes into effect you will be dealing with these idiots to try and arrange health care. You need to sear that in your memory as you seem to be incapible to reason it out yourself. Drink your kool-aid and staighten the silk screen picture of Obamster up on the wall, its leaning too much left.

bluegrass on November 15, 2009 at 11:43 AM

AnninCA needs to weigh in on the penultimate wisdom of government run healthcare. I always enjoy her inane drivel regarding this subject.

mossberg500 on November 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Blue…thanks for the kick in the butt. Writing snail mail letters right now. The Email function is an option but I think a real letter means more.

CWforFreedom on November 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM

AnninCA needs to weigh in on the penultimate wisdom of government run healthcare. I always enjoy her inane drivel regarding this subject.

mossberg500 on November 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Who doesn’t enjoy a thread hijacking by “all about me” anencephalic?

Aviator on November 15, 2009 at 11:55 AM

The report, requested by House Republicans, found that Medicare cuts contained in the health package approved by the House on Nov. 7 are likely to prove so costly to hospitals and nursing homes that they could stop taking Medicare altogether.

I can’t imagine how they could cut payments to hospitals and doctors any lower. My mom had open heart surgery in June at Cedars-Sinai…they billed $300,000, medicare paid $44,000.

nyrofan on November 15, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Bill Clinton: “There is No Perfect Bill,” “Worst Thing We Can Do is Nothing”

I guess he has not read about the bill and medicare.

CWforFreedom on November 15, 2009 at 12:25 PM

The last thing the Democrats will do is throw out the bill and start over. They’ve got way too much ego involved now.

GarandFan on November 15, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Why do liberals hate old people and want us all to die?

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 9:30 AM

A smaller population is easier to control?

Wethal on November 15, 2009 at 9:33 AM

A younger population is easier to fool.

You no longer provide more revenue to the state than you use. The most effecient measure is to have you to die off as quickly as possible, with help when required, to reduce the cost of your lingering exitance.

Franklyn on November 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Blue…thanks for the kick in the butt. Writing snail mail letters right now. The Email function is an option but I think a real letter means more.

CWforFreedom on November 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM

So true. At least they have to count it and a number is recorded of how many pieces of mail has been recieved with perhaps a notice of how much space they take up in the goverment recieving department while waiting to be shredded.

Emails are so much easier to deal with and take up no costly space at all. A quick scan to see who it is from, a flick of the finger and its gone. Have your ever heard a number that marks how many emails have been received, other than a ball park figure when the servers are overloaded or crashed?

Franklyn on November 15, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Nancy Pelosi is the kindest, most compassionate and most generous woman on earth!

Loxodonta on November 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Either you are Obama, a liberal who is blind and deaf and doesn’t notice that they are, or you have had way more than one too many from the empty bottle laying on the floor in front of your nose distorting the view of the ass of the rat on the other side of the bottle.

Franklyn on November 15, 2009 at 1:25 PM

The liberals just don’t believe this. They think that the evil providers are skimming and charging way to much in order to make a large profit. The bureaucrats are projecting here because waste and fraud is the way the government operates!

Vince on November 15, 2009 at 2:01 PM

The Health Care Scam is all about control and power. The Liberals need to ram this plan through so they can make sure the masses depend on the government for all of their needs.

yoda on November 15, 2009 at 3:55 PM

This is a desired result. Providers will be forced to limit Medicare patients or go broke. The limits to access creates public anger which will be spun by the Marxists as “greed” on the part of the heartless mean providers. The solution will be more government riding to the rescue with single payer. If there is only one payer nobody can turn it down you see.

Aviator on November 15, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Exactly.

About 50-60% of the patients we see in our practice are Medicare. I talk to them frequently about Obamacare, trying to do my bit to educate, and I’ve found that 80-85% of them are already adamantly opposed to the proposed changes (my sample is taken from seniors in Texas, which may skew it some). They seem to understand what is going on better than the actual staff of our two offices, who voted 11-1 for Obama and are still very supportive of him, including our Muslim female OB who is a strident abortion supporter (which, I understand, is kind of like being a pro-abortion Catholic).

inmypajamas on November 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Why are liberals like the Grinch who stole Christmas?

Because they see us too happy and wish to steal our happiness for themselves. Kinda Grinchy aren’t they?

donh525 on November 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM

I can’t recall where I saw this quote, but I think it’s appropriate here:

“Socialism doesn’t work because since you can’t make everyone equally happy, you have to make them equally miserable.”

Xiphos on November 15, 2009 at 4:36 PM

my Congressman, Perriello, 5th CD, Va, a DEMOCRAT, swears he reads each & every bill. So he had to know that this was in this bill. and he claimed he read the prior bill that was the topic of all the townhall debates.

yet he voted for it anyway.

kelley in virginia on November 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM

kelley,

I have Rick Boucher out here in the 9th. He has been in office since Reagan and watched the New River Valley and the coal fields of far southwest Va. dry up. But every time he gets a chance to vote for something that is bad for the area, he does.

Apparently Nancy gave him permission to vote no on this. We’re stuck with him forever. His biggest accomplishments; taking transportation funds to build bike paths and hiking trails for all those tourists that swamp SW Virginia.

I followed the Goode/Periello race since it got wide coverage on the Roanoke stations. Right before the election he ran a radio spot with his late dad slamming Virgil for being mean to l’il Tom. After his dad died I wondered who he’d get to fight his fights. Looks like he might just duck punches as long as he can.

TugboatPhil on November 15, 2009 at 6:26 PM

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