British voters say humans not to blame for global warming

posted at 10:55 am on November 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Many think that the British have completely bought into the idea of anthropogenic global warming.  Certainly their government has, as Gordon Brown and the Labourites push for action at Copenhagen.  The Times of London decided to poll on the question, and got a surprising result (via Newsbeat1):

Less than half the population believes that human activity is to blame for global warming, according to an exclusive poll for The Times.

The revelation that ministers have failed in their campaign to persuade the public that the greenhouse effect is a serious threat requiring urgent action will make uncomfortable reading for the Government as it prepares for next month’s climate change summit in Copenhagen.

Only 41 per cent accept as an established scientific fact that global warming is taking place and is largely man-made. Almost a third (32 per cent) believe that the link is not yet proved; 8 per cent say that it is environmentalist propaganda to blame man and 15 per cent say that the world is not warming.

The Times claims that the resistance comes primarily from Tory voters, but in fact none of the political parties have majorities believing in AGW.  Among Liberal Democrats, about as far left as one gets among mainstream political parties in the UK, only 47% buy the AGW argument.  That compares to 45% of Labour voters and 38% of Conservatives.

Even among believers, the priority of the effort has dropped.  Only 28% think AGW is the most serious public policy issue for the government to address.  A majority of AGW believers think it’s serious, but not among the highest priorities.  What is?  The economy, which Copenhagen proposes to wreck.

That hasn’t kept the Labour government from doubling down.  You have to appreciate the Orwellian cant involved in this statement:

Vicky Pope, head of climate change advice at the Met Office, said that growing awareness of the scale of the problem appeared to be resulting in people taking refuge in denial.

“Being confronted with the possibility of higher energy bills, wind farms down the road and new nuclear power stations encourages people to question everything about climate change,” she said. “There is a resistance to change and some people see the problem being used as an excuse to charge them more taxes.”

Knowing more about the problem creates … denial?  Opposition is really therefore support, you see.  Or, it could just be that people think that the weather has changed before, and that creating massive new bureaucracies and taxes has as much chance of affecting the weather as alchemists had in turning lead into gold.


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Rush has said for a long time that the Brits have caught on to the scam. It’s just the political elite that keep pushing for the money grab.

sabu on November 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Typical Libs- always making decisions based on which way the wind blows.

BKeyser on November 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Sadly, David Cameron of the Tories is no better. And he’s up next.

But, hey, the good news is, despite a level of propaganda you Would Not Believe, most people still ain’t buying what they’re selling.

S. Weasel on November 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM

There is a resistance to change and some people see the problem being used as an excuse to charge them more taxes.”

Ding, ding ding!

Wethal on November 14, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Snake oil salesmen hardest hit.

the_nile on November 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM

There’s also a new Rasmussen poll from Friday where 47% of Americans say it is natures fault, 37% blame themselves for going to their Manhattan martini parties in limo’s and Obama for keeping the heat way up in the WH: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/environment_energy/energy_update

William Teach on November 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM

I was shocked and amazed when the “experts” admitted that they had no idea why there were fewer hurricanes this year and why there were less shark bites but boy oh boy, they know everything about global warming.

Cindy Munford on November 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Not surprising. The world shouls have been on its way to burning to a crisp long before now, and it’s not happening.

Sekhmet on November 14, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Wait, doesn’t “warming” mean temperatures are going up?

Because they’re actually going down.

Riposte on November 14, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Shouls = should

Sekhmet on November 14, 2009 at 11:09 AM

I was shocked and amazed when the “experts” admitted that they had no idea why there were fewer hurricanes this year and why there were less shark bites but boy oh boy, they know everything about global warming.

Cindy Munford on November 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM

We know Gobble Worming is true because shut up.

fronclynne on November 14, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Wait, doesn’t “warming” mean temperatures are going up?

Because they’re actually going down.

Riposte on November 14, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Depends on the definition of “warming”.

the_nile on November 14, 2009 at 11:10 AM

We know Gobble Worming is true because shut up.

fronclynne on November 14, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Climax change.

the_nile on November 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Knowing more about the problem creates … denial?

Sure, just as global cooling proves global warming. Any fool knows that.

petefrt on November 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM

I think more and more people all over the world are beginning to think the whole global warming issue is nonsense.

Terrye on November 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM

the planet is dying

all because of us

blatantblue on November 14, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Vicky Pope, head of climate change advice at the Met Office, said that growing awareness of the scale of the problem appeared to be resulting in people taking refuge in denial.

“The people are too dumb to think for themselves so we will do it for them.”

Bishop on November 14, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Shouldn’t these folks be working on a contingency plan for the stray comet or meteor or did Hollywood work that one out for them? I think if they could get China to adopt some simple sanitary and air quality measures that would help their citizens the world would be in a lot better shape. The things these folks want to go crazy about is just weird.

Cindy Munford on November 14, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Global Warming is government control…government won’t give it up.

right2bright on November 14, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Opposition Is Support is the new Orwellian Pyramid slogan in INGSOC Oceania.

profitsbeard on November 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Recycle congress! Save the planet Constitution.

Christian Conservative on November 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM

“The people are too dumb to think for themselves so we will do it for them.”

Bishop on November 14, 2009 at 11:15 AM

You’ve just described 70% of the Democratic Party and a Pelosi medal of honor will be forthcoming.

Rovin on November 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Shouldn’t Vicky Pope be Pope Vicky?

Holding the Scepter of Climate Primate?

profitsbeard on November 14, 2009 at 11:24 AM

37% blame themselves for going to their Manhattan martini parties in limo’s and Obama for keeping the heat way up in the WH:

William Teach on November 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM

And aren’t their panties going to be in a twist when the city is in lockdown for the trials.

PS: Love your user name.

katy the mean old lady on November 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Okay, at 2,000+ pages, and each congress person, each senator, every scribe, received one…probably at least 1,000 printed, which makes it about 2,000,000 pages printed.
Figure about 80,000 pages per tree (one estimate from the internet)…that one bill took out 25 trees.

right2bright on November 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM

HOAX

Philly on November 14, 2009 at 11:27 AM

When the voters actually take the iniative and vote out those politicians that don’t agree with them on this issue, then the whole climate (to use a phrase) will change in the vast halls of government.

Politicians, especially American liberal types, see a cash cow where they can take in money and really don’t have to account for how they spend it. They don’t even have to see results because, as we know, humans aren’t responsible for global warming so the climate will do things on its own. When it does, the politicians will take credit when it’s cooler and raise taxes when it warms up again. Life is good.

bflat879 on November 14, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Knowing more about the problem creates … denial?

Well, they were probably directly modeling it on their response to Islam.

BL@KBIRD on November 14, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Maybe there’s still hope for the Brits.

beachgirlusa on November 14, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Wait, doesn’t “warming” mean temperatures are going up?

Because they’re actually going down.

Riposte on November 14, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Depends on the definition of “warming”.

the_nile on November 14, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Depends on the new living definition of up and down.

BL@KBIRD on November 14, 2009 at 11:39 AM

That lady on Glenn Beck yesterday nailed it. These Enviros are watermelons. Green on the outside, Red on the inside.

Communism didn’t get defeated, it just dispersed and hiding under the guise of other movements.

p0s3r on November 14, 2009 at 11:41 AM

“There is a resistance to change and some people see the problem being used as an excuse to charge them more taxes.”

Gee, how perceptive of people. Is Ms Pope prepared to say that government WON’T charge more taxes?

GarandFan on November 14, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Many think that the British have completely bought into the idea of anthropogenic global warming. Certainly their government has, as Gordon Brown and the Labourites push for action at Copenhagen.

That’s why the IPCC is the “Intergovernmental” Panel on Climate Change. “International” would sort of imply the people are involved, when it’s really the governments going behind the people’s backs.

zmdavid on November 14, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Half get it right, the rest are ignorant or morons, or both.

Ever since Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, resigns at the IPCC when his study showed no earth energy imbalance, it’s been rough sledding for the hoaxers. Video here — http://ceiondemand.org/2009/11/06/cooler-heads-event-on-emissions-trading-w-matthew-sinclair/

tarpon on November 14, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Since when does real science take polls?

Mojave Mark on November 14, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Because they’re actually going down.

Riposte on November 14, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Yeah..but they’re not going down down.
/s

Itchee Dryback on November 14, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Time for the frikkin’ political climate to change.

profitsbeard on November 14, 2009 at 12:01 PM

The polls show most don’t believe in man-made global warming this year, but what about twenty years from now? The Libs have taken over the education system and feed the “prisoners” propaganda daily. Wasn’t Al Gore’s movie required viewing in the UK? This type of propaganda has to have some effect in the long term.

mullethead on November 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Proof that people will listen to a whisper in the wind, but flinch and question the din.

TinMan13 on November 14, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Brit Daniel Hannan on Hannity discussed Copenhagen boondoggle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v00dClFASPM

marklmail on November 14, 2009 at 12:51 PM

People, who are you going to believe, your own skin telling you its not getting hotter, or activists who want all of your money to? You should believe your betters!

/s

theCork on November 14, 2009 at 12:51 PM

The more I think about it the more I think the french had the right idea on how to handle their elites after their revolution.

unseen on November 14, 2009 at 12:57 PM

You have to appreciate the Orwellian cant

You bet! I broke out laughing.
Ed, you have become a real believer in the last couple of years. Congratulations.

burt on November 14, 2009 at 1:56 PM

How long before environmentalists realize that only wealthy countries in good economic shape have the resources to waste on their crap?

29Victor on November 14, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Or, it could just be that people think that the weather has changed before, and that creating massive new bureaucracies and taxes has as much chance of affecting the weather as alchemists had in turning lead into gold.

Ed, love that line!

Conservative Voice on November 14, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Knowing more about the problem creates … denial? Opposition is really therefore support, you see.

…and we have always been at war with Eastasia.

Vashta.Nerada on November 14, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…..

Jimmy Doolittle on November 14, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Why is it, those who are thee most adamant about global warming are the ones who stand to make the most, if this tax is passed, and have the most to lose, if it doesn’t?

It’s a get rich quick scheme, and only a few are allowed to profit from it. Al (private plane) Gore leads the charge!

capejasmine on November 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Al Gore is one big piece of Shit. He made Vietnam solders look like baby killers, which got him into politics, now he is making a career out of the Global Warming Calamity. He should be made to eat his vomit lies. Carbon Sequestering is much more effective if it was about the environment. Cap and Trade and other laws similar are designed for wealth distribution on global scale. Carbon is easy for them to use as a vehicle for their smoke and mirrors show. Another impediment to the Free Market. China is a super polluted place. They cook and heat with Coal bricks. One night I awaken 3 am in a five star hotel in China to what I thought was the hotel was on fire, then I remembered that is what China smells like. The Coal mines is where thousands die each year in accidents. The power base behind coal in China is too much for any upcoming bureaucrat to interfere with in anyway. Chinese bureaucrats don’t want to step on any big toes. Coal is a big toe. Environmental products some day will be hot items in China, because they cannot continue this way forever.
When they assign carbon emissions, it is related to manufacturing output, but what about third world burning of garbage or cooking with coal. The US rivers, water and air have made tremendous improvement in last 50 years. The US should sell it’s environmental technology to China and rest of world. Instead every one blames the US for worlds Carbon emissions. They also focus on Carbon (oil and coal) that has been removed from the ground and put into the Air. There is an unbalance created by man, but the evidence that it is having major effect on weather is unproven. Even so, the simple solution would be Carbon Sequestering, such as with Bio-Char. Liberals have hijacked the environmental issue as it was used against business. People in flyover country, mostly conservative, appreciate the environment more than city dwelling liberals. Conservatives are better for environment because the focus will be on improving the environment and not some carbon pyramid scam to control the free market.

Ed Laskie on November 15, 2009 at 6:51 AM

Vicky Pope, head of climate change advice at the Met Office, said that growing awareness of the scale of the problem appeared to be resulting in people taking refuge in denial.

“The people are too dumb to think for themselves so we will do it for them.”

Bishop on November 14, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Dude, that is exactly what I heard. Whoa.

Blacksmith8 on November 15, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Sadly, David Cameron of the Tories is no better.

Alas, I must agree.

And he’s up next.
S. Weasel on November 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM

For better or worse this is not yet guaranteed. Even at this stage of the lumbering disaster that is the socialist Labour government of the UK, the Labour party still has a fighting chance of winning the next election because “David Cameron … is no better”, in all sorts of ways.

YiZhangZhe on November 15, 2009 at 12:00 PM

So 8% of my fellow Brits have their heads screwed on tightly. Sounds about right unfortunately, although it’s heartening to know that a sizable number almost have the full deck. Maybe there is hope for Europe yet.

Sharke on November 15, 2009 at 12:14 PM

ven at this stage of the lumbering disaster that is the socialist Labour government of the UK, the Labour party still has a fighting chance of winning the next election because “David Cameron … is no better”, in all sorts of ways.

YiZhangZhe on November 15, 2009 at 12:00 PM

I wouldn’t be too sure. Brits are currently divided into three: dumbos who will vote Labour their whole lives because it’s a family tradition, those who believe that the Conservatives will always be better (by varying degrees) and those who think both Labour and the Tories are full of sh’t but hey, why not give the Tories a chance just for a change because they couldn’t possibly be worse than New Liebour. Lifelong lefty Michael Caine has just announced his allegiance to this category.

The majority fall within the last two groups. There are some die hard areas of the UK in which Labour will always win, Glasgow being one of them. But on the whole, Brits are so sick of the mess the left has made on their country that Labour does not stand a hope in hell and I’d put a large sum on that.

Sharke on November 15, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Maybe there’s still hope for the Brits.
beachgirlusa on November 14, 2009 at 11:38 AM

I think there is much reason for cautious hope.

As might be expected, the loudest voices in politics and the media in the UK are self-congratulatory members of the sneering classes whose acquaintance with the processes of rational thought is only by hearsay and whose incessant babbling and chanting drowns-out anything that might contradict the group-think slogans that they ignorantly mistake for evidence and reasoning.

Apathy, along with the sheer scope and momentum of the liberal and socialist onslaught in all areas of life, have caused subscribers to opposing viewpoints to become isolated and disorganised; they have not yet found any loud or coherent voice nor provided any substantial political opposition, nor has any credible person arisen to champion their many causes.

Given the lack of prominent opposition, it might superficially appear therefore that the whole of the UK has gone ‘soft in the head’ and succumbed to the liberal malaise but, while there is no justification for complacency, the truth is much more complex and slightly more comforting.

YiZhangZhe on November 15, 2009 at 12:34 PM

But on the whole, Brits are so sick of the mess the left has made on their country that Labour does not stand a hope in hell and I’d put a large sum on that.

Sharke on November 15, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I wish your gamble well, but I’m not yet persuaded to join you in placing that bet.

For me, the most notable thing about the Conservative party is that, despite the depth and breadth of the unpopularity of the government, the Conservatives are still failing to impress anyone except their own cheerleaders. Throughout the past 12 years the breathtaking malice and incompetence of the Labour party government has been matched in value only by the unprincipled bungling of the official opposition party which has spectacularly failed to oppose pretty much anything.

Labour were already deeply unpopular in 2001 and 2005 yet still won those elections.

There remains plenty of time for the Conservatives to make themselves look even worse than they presently do and if, as a consequence of their impotence and sterility, the opposition vote gets split amongst several parties then I fear that Labour might yet hold enough parliamentary seats to retain power.

YiZhangZhe on November 15, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Too bad that voters in both countries no longer have a say in government. At least not the present ones…

Army Brat on November 15, 2009 at 6:48 PM

“Being confronted with the possibility of higher energy bills, wind farms down the road and new nuclear power stations encourages people to question everything about climate change,” she said.

New nuclear power stations? Bring them on!

How about some new nukes over here, Barry O?

Steve Z on November 16, 2009 at 11:19 AM

The US should sell it’s environmental technology to China and rest of world.

Amen to that. American coal-fired power plants are nearly twice as efficient as Chinese coal plants, meaning that if we sold our coal technology to China, they could get the same power from half as much coal (and emit half as much CO2), and American companies would make money and create jobs.

Even so, the simple solution would be Carbon Sequestering, such as with Bio-Char.

Carbon Sequestering is thus far unproven technology, and compression costs to reach “supercritical” pressures could add 30 to 40% to the cost of coal-generated electricity. Even a representative of the Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection told me that Carbon Sequestering is about 20 years from being economically viable.

One of the by-products of any gas compression process is heat, which is usually thrown away to the atmosphere or cooling water. Such heat is usually available at relatively low temperatures such as 150 to 200 F, which is too cold to make steam, but warm enough to heat water, which could eventually be used to heat houses in winter.

If the government wanted to incentivize carbon sequestration, it could allow power plants to SELL waste heat in the form of hot water piped into homes or office buildings in winter, in competition with natural-gas or heating-oil suppliers. This would require a contractual arrangement with local governments for building the hot-water pipes from power plants to inner-city buildings and private homes, to be at least partially borne by the power companies, but this could enable free-market forces to take advantage of “waste heat” to reduce overall fossil-fuel consumption. Current environmental regulations do not allow power companies to SELL hot water to communities, so the heat is now routinely thrown away.

Such schemes have been successfully implemented for decades in Scandinavian countries, which do not have much fossil-fuel resources and high home-heating requirements.

Steve Z on November 16, 2009 at 12:03 PM