Video: Obama ducks question on whether U.S. should have nuked Hiroshima

posted at 7:44 pm on November 13, 2009 by Allahpundit

Why bother answering? We all have a pretty good idea what he thinks. Including the lefty hawks at TNR:

But given his longstanding views about nuclear weapons, I’m actually not certain that Obama agrees with the decision. And I can also imagine him thinking that Hiroshima was the right and necessary thing. But also that Nagasaki–which as I understand it was bombed when serious talks about surrender were already underway within Japan–may have been gratuitous. (A view apparently shared by Dwight Eisenhower, if this source is reliable.)

Not that we’d be very likely to hear that from him, either.

Actually, the fact that he ducked the question here and is skipping a visit to Hiroshima on this trip only makes me more confident that he’d never let KSM go, irrespective of the district court verdict. He knows what the public reaction would be if he apologized for the A-bomb; he knows full well how it would bolster the image of him as being soft and less a defender of American actions abroad than some quasi-neutral arbiter who’s trying to be “fair” to all sides. Freeing the mastermind of 9/11 would be orders of magnitude worse. If he’s unwilling to risk the fallout (no pun intended) from apologizing to a country we’ve been closely allied with for decades, he’s not risking the nuclear backlash (again, not intended) that would come with Khaled Sheikh Mohammed being dropped off in Kandahar and promptly organizing a new squad of 747s to hit American office towers. It would be an electoral Jonestown for Democrats. Click the image to watch.

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Excuse me, Nagasaki was close to where we would’ve landed when we invaded the Island of Kyushu during Operation Olympic.

Holger on November 14, 2009 at 5:47 PM

From Truman’s Speech announcing the bombings:

If they do not now accept our terms, they may expect a rain of ruin from the air the likes of which has never been seen on this earth.

The entire point of the Bombings was a desire that such devastation would convince the Japanese to surrender. Which it did, despite the fact that Tojo et al wanted to continue to the point of a Coup d’Etat.

Like I said, it would’ve been a bigger crime not to drop and go on with the Invasion which would’ve sacrificed several million lives.

Holger on November 14, 2009 at 5:57 PM

unclesmrgol
It’s easy for them, Japan was also an agricultural country and they can grow their own food sufficiently for their military and civilian population for some years and the Japanese were already preparing for a blockade since early 1944.. The Americans found that frightening fact after the war.

The Trinity Test gave them some info of what to expect. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki gave the world a nasty shock on what atomic and nuclear bombs can do to the landscape. Theoretical test in the desert does not compare when they dropped those two bombs on those two cities.

American money vs Japanese lives.Is that how you look at it ? The Americans army were still fighting Yamasita’s men in Northern Luzon, The Aussies were still fighting the Japanese in New Guinea, the British, American and Chinese armies were still fighting in Burma and in China. American ships were still sinking from Japanese torpedoes and dying from Japanese bullets, drowning in the Pacific and the POWs and Western civilians in Japanese concentration camps were dying by the hundreds in August of 1945. And oh yeah, the American B-29 bombers are fire bombing Japanese cities and the japs still fought on.

Truman knew the calculus because he fought in WWI as an artillery officer and he gets the casualty reports from the Pentagon. He knew the options presented to him which were a) A naval blockade of Japan which the navy was pursuing b) continued firebombing of Japanese cities by the US Air force which Le May was proposing c) Operation Downfall, the invasion of Japan d) the Atomic bomb which was untested in the battlefield but with tremendous potential but might fail in real use. Option A will take time and it will doom the Allied POWs and civilians held prisoner in Japan as well as dooming the Japanese civilians unimportant enough for the war effort . It will not end it in 1945. Option B would kill more Japanese civilians and destroyed more Japanese cities, but it will not stop the production of Japanese war materials being made in small towns, caves and the Japanese highlands. Option C gave Truman nightmares especially when he learned of the high probability of American casualties reaching into the millions . D) Was an unknown quantity in the real battlefield, it’s power was demonstrated during the Trinity Test, but in a real life target, it might fail, but if it succeeds, maybe, just maybe, it would end the war sooner than expected. He chose D not because they dumped almost a billion dollars on the Manhattan project, but because he hoped to spare American men lives.

I hate to tell you this,unclemrgol, but during WWII, all bets were off . It was total war, all cities were fair game as well as civilian targets. Read it up next time.

I don’t care really about your politics, but from your posts, I can detect that the American military dead that numbered 416,800 is not enough for you . You wished it was higher to compensate for the deaths the US military inflicted on the enemy during WWII because you want it to be fair .

And btw, how do you propose raiding Auschwitz-Birkenau to stop the Final solution? Aerial bombardment ? You are certifiably nuts. Allied aerial bombing will do the job faster in killing the Jewish and other political prisoners in that prison complex faster to Hitler’s benefit. How about a commando raid to free 405,000 prisoners? With what, airborne divisions? Read about Market Garden and look at the map of Poland and Germany. How do you proposed they get there without their planes getting shot down by German 88 flak guns, ME109s,Focke-Wulf 190s? And how do you proposed having them resupplied if by some miracle they get there? And how do you think they will last when they faced the German armored divisions with their Tiger and Panther with no artillery, no air support and no supplies? And if by chance, they were able to do that as well, how do you think they can evacuate half a million very sick and very weak prisoners to the nearest Russian lines to the East with the whole German army on their heels? Have you ever think about that??

DinobotPrime on November 14, 2009 at 7:43 PM

DinobotPrime on November 14, 2009 at 7:43 PM

People like him do not think, they feel.

Holger on November 14, 2009 at 8:08 PM

I forget the Japanese word but roughly it means the Destruction of Jewels. It was better that the entire Japanese people be wiped out than suffer the indignity of defeat and occupation…

The military government was planning this. They were training children to fight, issuing sharp sticks, rifles, grenades and shaped-charges on the end of poles to Civilians.

They had used Chemical and Biological weapons on the Chinese resulting in several hundred thousand dead.

Had we invaded, Japanese would be a dead language.

Holger on November 14, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Holger on November 14, 2009 at 8:29 PM

I tried typing “destruction of jewels ww2″ into Google and it came back with “destruction of jews . . .”

I guess the Axis powers were separated by a much smaller gap than anyone had previously thought. :P

Ryan Gandy on November 15, 2009 at 11:51 AM

DinobotPrime on November 14, 2009 at 7:43 PM

I don’t care really about your politics, but from your posts, I can detect that the American military dead that numbered 416,800 is not enough for you . You wished it was higher to compensate for the deaths the US military inflicted on the enemy during WWII because you want it to be fair .

It seems like too many people think of war as a Japanese baseball game – which can end in a tie.

And btw, how do you propose raiding Auschwitz-Birkenau to stop the Final solution? Aerial bombardment ? You are certifiably nuts. Allied aerial bombing will do the job faster in killing the Jewish and other political prisoners in that prison complex faster to Hitler’s benefit. How about a commando raid to free 405,000 prisoners? With what, airborne divisions? Read about Market Garden and look at the map of Poland and Germany. How do you proposed they get there without their planes getting shot down by German 88 flak guns, ME109s,Focke-Wulf 190s? And how do you proposed having them resupplied if by some miracle they get there? And how do you think they will last when they faced the German armored divisions with their Tiger and Panther with no artillery, no air support and no supplies? And if by chance, they were able to do that as well, how do you think they can evacuate half a million very sick and very weak prisoners to the nearest Russian lines to the East with the whole German army on their heels? Have you ever think about that??

Methinks someone’s watched Von Ryan’s Express one too many times.

Ryan Gandy on November 15, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Ryan Gandy

I don’t think he knows that movie nor does he know about Operation Market Garden. Everything is about legalism, war crimes and fairness.

Just to add for mrunclegol’s benefit, the Baltic Sea was a German pond in WWII, so forget about doing a WWII version of Xenophon’s Anabasis.

DinobotPrime on November 15, 2009 at 12:43 PM

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