Video: Holder says he’ll seek the death penalty for 9/11 plotters

posted at 12:55 pm on November 13, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

This is apparently the comfort that Barack Obama wants to offer America in exchange for turning the adjudication of terrorists into the next OJ trial.  Greg Hengler captures the moment for Townhall, but even this is offered in a defensive manner by Attorney General Eric Holder.  He’s answering questions about the seriousness in which the Obama administration views Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four co-conspirators of the worst attack on American soil — an attack which most Americans saw as an act of war by a foreign entity, not as a crime to be prosecuted in the same courts that protect American liberty:

Sorry, but that hardly conveys a sense of seriousness. These men are enemies of the US, not citizens or residents who committed a few murders. They don’t belong in a courtroom — they belong in a military tribunal, and at the end of a rope afterwards. KSM didn’t commit his “crime” in the US, after all; he committed it abroad, outside of the normal jurisdiction of the American court system.

Holder says he seeks justice for the families of the victims. Some of the families may want a spectacle of a trial in which KSM and his cohorts get to inveigh against the US and its people and call millions to jihad through the US media. That doesn’t seem like justice to many of us in any sense, however. The military tribunals twice authorized by Congress would have given KSM and the rest of the jihadists a chance to challenge the evidence while keeping American intelligence safe from exposure. Andy McCarthy, who successfully prosecuted the Blind Sheikh for the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, wonders whether exposure isn’t what Holder wants anyway:

This summer, I theorized that Attorney General Eric Holder — and his boss — had a hidden agenda in ordering a re-investigation of the CIA for six-year-old alleged interrogation excesses that had already been scrutinized by non-partisan DOJ prosecutors who had found no basis for prosecution. The continuing investigations of Bush-era counterterrorism policies (i.e., the policies that kept us safe from more domestic terror attacks), coupled with the Holder Justice Department’s obsession to disclose classified national-defense information from that period, enable Holder to give the hard Left the “reckoning” that he and Obama promised during the 2008 campaign. It would be too politically explosive for Obama/Holder to do the dirty work of charging Bush administration officials; but as new revelations from investigations and declassifications are churned out, Leftist lawyers use them to urge European and international tribunals to bring “torture” and “war crimes” indictments. Thus, administration cooperation gives Obama’s base the reckoning it demands but Obama gets to deny responsibility for any actual prosecutions.

Today’s announcement that KSM and other top al-Qaeda terrorists will be transferred to Manhattan federal court for civilian trials neatly fits this hidden agenda. Nothing results in more disclosures of government intelligence than civilian trials. They are a banquet of information, not just at the discovery stage but in the trial process itself, where witnesses — intelligence sources — must expose themselves and their secrets.

If justice is what the Obama administration wanted, it had a much better instrument at hand — one they’re still using with other Gitmo detainees. That makes Andy’s argument pretty compelling.


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They should’ve been dead a long time ago.

TrickyDick on November 13, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Actually they’ve been valuable as informers.

the_nile on November 13, 2009 at 1:39 PM

The Nazis received a show trial, rightfully so. These bastards deserve no better.

spmat on November 13, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Those were military tribunals where, rightfully, these terrorists would be tried if the President didn’t love terrorists and Muslims more than Americans and the victims of the 9/11/01 atrocities. It really is that simple and I’m not in the mood for any defense of the filthy lying coward or his treasonous administration.

highhopes on November 13, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Ooooh- spermatazoa is mad at the terrorists!

Missing the real point entirely.

Spies, saboteurs and terrorists caught by the military during wartime, and who confessed to committing warcrimes, do not get civilian trials.

They get a quick process through a local military tribunal, and then are shot.

As they should have been years ago, already.

Bush should have signed their death warrents last December, before the IMBECILE Obama was allowed to screw up this process.

Maybe he thought Barry wasn’t going to be a crypto-marxist LUNATIC.

Better safe than …these sorry s.o.b.’s

profitsbeard on November 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM

says he seeks justice for the families of the victims

YOU LIE!

Beto Ochoa on November 13, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Didn’t they release some of the USS Cole attackers?

the_nile on November 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM

If Timothy McVeigh had been a Muslim he’d be alive today.

repvoter on November 13, 2009

Perhaps he and Terry Nichols should have just admitted it WAS a Muslim conspiracy after all.

JonPrichard on November 13, 2009 at 1:42 PM

And what does that Senator from South Carolina has to say for himself now? Uh, something like this????

South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said he supports Holder because the nominee understands the U.S. is in a war against al-Qaeda. Holder “sees the battlefield as the entire globe and he believes that enemy forces should be viewed in terms of the law of armed conflict,” Graham said

Disgusting RINO!

jbh45 on November 13, 2009 at 1:18 PM

The quote you cited, without providing the date and source, was made by Senator Graham in January, not now. So, exactly what does that Senator from South Carolina have to say for himself now?

What awaits us when we bring a 9/11 conspirator like KSM into federal court? Chaos. His trial will be a zoo.

— Lindsey Graham, November 6, 2009 via Twitter

Loxodonta on November 13, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Yeah, I’ll believe it, when I see it.

These are the same people, that exalt abortion, and denounce the death penalty.

I suspect 9/11 plotters in Holders mind, are CIA operatives, and interrogators.

capejasmine on November 13, 2009 at 1:42 PM

What a piece of sh*t. I hate this man, and I have A LOT of trouble hating people. I hope he burns in hell alongside KSM.

This has to stop.

Joe Caps on November 13, 2009 at 1:42 PM

I mean KSM. And about the delays, those would not be because Bush didn’t want a faster trial, it was all the legal moves from people like Holder that held it up. Now Obama wants to ride in on his white horse and bring swift justice tothe “accused.”I think barring a total aquital, Obama wins. If he’s found guilty and gets death or life sentence, Obama will claim he did want Bush couldn’t do. He will be our hero…../sarc

sandee on November 13, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Has KLM been in our custody for 8 years?

sandee on November 13, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Does it really matter? Would he be less of an enemy if it were six years instead of eight? Would he be more of an enemy were it nine years.

Fact of the matter, nothing changes until the real enemy of the state, the filthy lying coward in the White House, is out of power.

highhopes on November 13, 2009 at 1:47 PM

I only asked how long KSM was in custody because of the snarky way Holder implied that Bush was inept in bringing him to trial.

sandee on November 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM

They are a banquet of information, not just at the discovery stage but in the trial process itself, where witnesses — intelligence sources — must expose themselves and their secrets.

But Pete Sestek (sp–Specter’s primary oponent) adamantly told Fox News that this problem would be handled by in-camera reviews. And Alfred E. Newman from Mad Magazine has the line, “What me worry?”

BuckeyeSam on November 13, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Every morning I wake up and try to imagine what crime will be committed against America by this administration. My best guesses never come close to reality…

cibolo on November 13, 2009 at 1:51 PM

This is a load of crap. This is a backdoor trial of the united states not of the terrorists.

clement on November 13, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Holder, do NOT seek the death penalty! They want that badly! The only appropriate punishment is to sentence them to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, and confine them to a 6 x 8 cell until they die. You can even let them watch TV: a constantly looping movie of the carnage they unleashed on the people of NYC and America. They might like watching it at first, but I guarantee you they will get sick of it and scream for mercy after the 6th or 7th MONTH!

As a native New Yorker, I have to ask when the federal government will get a clue!

NavyMustang on November 13, 2009 at 1:51 PM

..seek, maybe, but not find.

VoyskaPVO on November 13, 2009 at 1:52 PM

SHOW TRIAL to support their nonsense.

They’ve already pleaded guilty!

Spinning it so the people say, “hey trying them on us soil really works!”

Holder and Obama are so shifty.

marklmail on November 13, 2009 at 1:52 PM

I only asked how long KSM was in custody because of the snarky way Holder implied that Bush was inept in bringing him to trial.

sandee on November 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM

I believe KSM was being held as an enemy combatant, which could be detention as long as there were hostilities.

Then there were appeals to the Supreme Court, and thanks to swing vote Anthony Kennedy (although Stevens, the only vet on the Court, authored the opinion for the majority), enemy combatants were discovered to have rights no one ever thought they did.

If there are any German POWs still alive, perhaps they should sue the US for false imprisonment, since they never got speedy trials and had to wait for the German surrender.

Wethal on November 13, 2009 at 1:52 PM

I only asked how long KSM was in custody because of the snarky way Holder implied that Bush was inept in bringing him to trial.

sandee on November 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM

I don’t think it’s been 8 years, but it’s been at least 6. The fact that Khalid has already admitted his guilt, is a question now to…why is there going to be a trial? He should just face a judge for sentencing. This is nothing more than a slap in the face to Bush, and the CIA in my opinion.

capejasmine on November 13, 2009 at 1:52 PM

The hole in the wall, beside my computer, just got bigger–I’m starting to use my head instead of my hand….now where did I put that extra bottle of whiskey…

lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Holder, do NOT seek the death penalty! They want that badly! The only appropriate punishment is to sentence them to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, and confine them to a 6 x 8 cell until they die. You can even let them watch TV: a constantly looping movie of the carnage they unleashed on the people of NYC and America. They might like watching it at first, but I guarantee you they will get sick of it and scream for mercy after the 6th or 7th MONTH!

As a native New Yorker, I have to ask when the federal government will get a clue!

NavyMustang on November 13, 2009 at 1:51 PM

..with respectful deference, maybe these trial will have unintended consquences: a constant reminder to New Yorkers how trivially their feelings and memories are regarded with respect to the bloody acts the a**holes committed.

Perhaps turn NY from blue to red?

Maybe something could be worked out so that the new president could take the oath on January 21st, 2013 and push the plunger on these turds at the same time.

Bring it on!

VoyskaPVO on November 13, 2009 at 1:59 PM

This sham is designed by this Marxist/totalitarian administration to do only three things . . . embarrass, undermine and destroy this entire country and its Constitution. These are sad and dangerous times.

rplat on November 13, 2009 at 2:01 PM

I wonder if Holder practices his serious face in front of a mirror?

Sue on November 13, 2009 at 2:01 PM

At the press conference, Holder stated that the 9/11 co-conspirators will be tried in New York city as a Civil case. Holder states that since New York city was the scene of the crime, and American jurisprudence has been extended to these alleged suspects, it only makes sense to bring the trial to NYC.

WTF is the White House thinking? They actually think that they can safely and securely try these defendants in a huge metropolitan city, a city wide open to undocumented immigrants and untraceable multi-nationals? This administration has been trying from day-one to close the only facility available to it that would be the perfect, ultra-secure location to conduct these proceedings – Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Now, these dip shits will open all of NYC to subway bombings, suicide bombers, car bombs, and any extremist Muslim nutcases willing and able to make a statement by attacking the predictable soft underbelly of our civil society in the very place that would please them the most. At Guantanamo Bay, who would care if a car bomb or nail vest goes off outside of the razor wire – the terrorists wouldn’t have a hope of getting close enough to do anything other than flatten some grass outside of the trip wires.

This trial, once it starts, will not be a rapid affair. Putting NYC at such extreme risk for months, or even years, on end is the apex of stupidity. There will be Islamic terrorism in NYC as a result of this brain dead, politically-inspired decision. Even among some very stiff competition for the honor, this has to be the most dangerous and dim-witted thing that this Administration has proposed yet.

Wilbur on November 13, 2009 at 2:03 PM

My congressman just got an email box full from me regading this.

The White House continues to put these Dems in tenuous position to defend these poor positions.

ted c on November 13, 2009 at 2:08 PM

You guys have GOT to hit the link in the HA headline–it’s great. Geraldo won back a little respect from me on this one….
It’s on: Geraldo and Brian Kilmeade vs. NYC jihadist

lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 2:09 PM

If Holder thought any of these terrorists were Bush Administration officials or CIA agents, instead of this PC tap dance, he would really kick some ass.

The bad news is a high publicity, endless trial where just about anything could wrong including acquittal, mistrial, crucial evidence being tossed out on a technicality or even an escape (terrorist rescuers blasting a hole through the side of the building.) But that’s also the good news. Jug Ears has really stuck his neck out by bringing these murderers into our parlor and will suffer the consequences.

MaiDee on November 13, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Virginia Senator Webb came out today with a statement against using civilian courts for these trials It reads (in full)
“I have never disputed the constitutional authority of the President to convene Article III courts in cases of international terrorism. However, I remain very concerned about the wisdom of doing so. Those who have committed acts of international terrorism are enemy combatants, just as certainly as the Japanese pilots who killed thousands of Americans at Pearl Harbor. It will be disruptive, costly, and potentially counterproductive to try them as criminals in our civilian courts.

“The precedent set by this decision deserves careful scrutiny as we consider proper venues for trying those now held at Guantanamo who were apprehended outside of this country for acts that occurred outside of the country. And we must be especially careful with any decisions to bring onto American soil any of those prisoners who remain a threat to our country but whose cases have been adjudged as inappropriate for trial at all. They do not belong in our country, they do not belong in our courts, and they do not belong in our prisons.

“I have consistently argued that military commissions, with the additional procedural rules added by Congress and enacted by President Obama, are the most appropriate venue for trying individuals adjudged to be enemy combatants.”

Webb is wrong on a lot of stuff, but on this he’s right.

hawksruleva on November 13, 2009 at 2:22 PM

I wonder – does Obama think this specatacle will allow him to keep using Bush as an opponent in 2010 and maybe even 2012? If so, he’s likely to get a nasty surprise at the ballot box.

hawksruleva on November 13, 2009 at 2:25 PM

For Obama, Holder and the crazy lefties this is how they plan to put Bush on trial.
This has nothing to do with anything other than political pay back… (for what I never understand… not being hated?)

Success for Holder is if KSM goes free and he can say it was because of Bush evidence gathering… Yeah that’s comforting alright.

So next war… before we bomb or go into battle do we need to drop leaflets with Miranda warnings on them? In case we take prisoners.

This administration is totally and completely insane.

Is there a way to get rid of Holder? Can we impeach him for incompetence?

petunia on November 13, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Perhaps turn NY from blue to red?

Maybe something could be worked out so that the new president could take the oath on January 21st, 2013 and push the plunger on these turds at the same time.

Bring it on!

VoyskaPVO on November 13, 2009 at 1:59 PM

This should turn the entire country red! Who in the world will vote for Democrats after this? Not any real American I know of.

If Obama’s numbers don’t drop after this I think that will be proof positive that the polls are rigged!

petunia on November 13, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Just off the top of my head. A jury of peers:
1. Van Jones
2. John Kerry
3. Jane Fonda
4. Nidal Hasan
5. Bill Ayers
6. Bernadine Dorn
7. Carol Browner
8. Andy Stern
9. Jeremiah Wright
10.Cass Weinstein
11.John Holdren
12.Jack Murtha

lilium on November 13, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Every morning I wake up and try to imagine what crime will be committed against America by this administration. My best guesses never come close to reality…

cibolo on November 13, 2009 at 1:51 PM

I know it is like trying to understand pure evil. It is always worse than I could try to come up with!

Even when I have heard a rumour before the actual story hits it is still such a shock when the rumour turns out to be true.

How did this whole wing of Americans totally miss the patriotism gene? Or even the knowledge of right and wrong gene?

petunia on November 13, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Precedent: Zombies, Vampires, Werewolves, and Other Monsters Exploit Obama Terrorism Precedents http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/08/vampires-werewolves-and-other-monsters.html

Mervis Winter on November 13, 2009 at 2:35 PM

The key issue has been raised by Andrew McCarthy.

“Nothing results in more disclosures of government intelligence than civilian trials. They are a banquet of information, not just at the discovery stage but in the trial process itself, where witnesses — intelligence sources — must expose themselves and their secrets.”

Holder and Obama have taken deliberate action to undermine our country.

Jasper61 on November 13, 2009 at 2:43 PM

when just one of these animals walks free because of this, we should seek the death penalty for Holder and his ilk.

Viper1 on November 13, 2009 at 2:46 PM

12.Jack Murtha

lilium on November 13, 2009 at 2:31 PM

What’s ol’Jack up to these days anyway? Is he gonna testify as a character witness for the defense?

BobMbx on November 13, 2009 at 2:49 PM

So best case scenario, we convict these vermin and then they spend 20 years on death row acting as martyrs to islamofascism.

Worst case, they walk out of court as free men.

I suggest we take them to the next building demolation set in any major US city, and let the scum ‘ride her down’, just as they did to those who died on 9-11 in NYC.

DrW on November 13, 2009 at 2:49 PM

This is just sickning. How much worse can things get from the White House? Seriously there is nothing good coming from the WH. Oh Lord help us!

Brat4life on November 13, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Who gives this dummy the authority to trump the U. S. Military?

Cybergeezer on November 13, 2009 at 3:02 PM

There are no words to describe this pond scum and his boss. Stupid democrats and liberals put these people in Washington. Morons! Absolute morons! Progreeeeeesiiiiiive values on display.

ultracon on November 13, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Congratulations America.

This is your freely elected United States Government and your blood, sweat, and tears hard earned tax dollars at work.

There is no one to blame but ourselves.

SilverStar830 on November 13, 2009 at 3:17 PM

That SOB dropped a done deal against the Black Panthers in the voter intimidation case. Now he makes sure that KSM can avial himself of the best criminal lawyers on Earth.

To top it all off I have no doubt that someone is going to do this pro bono.

None of those scum sucking bottom dwellers provided the same for the Haditha accusees.

Eric Holder is a bastard.

Hmm…. maybe KSM is related to Marc Rich………

drjohn on November 13, 2009 at 3:17 PM

I wonder if it has occurred to this idiot that this might not be the only socalled death penalty. What happens if some suicidal terrorists decide to blow up a delivery truck full of explosives a half block away and kill hundreds of people?

That is a very real threat.

Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 3:23 PM

The quote you cited, without providing the date and source, was made by Senator Graham in January, not now. So, exactly what does that Senator from South Carolina have to say for himself now?

What awaits us when we bring a 9/11 conspirator like KSM into federal court? Chaos. His trial will be a zoo.

— Lindsey Graham, November 6, 2009 via Twitter

Loxodonta on November 13, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Doesn’t change the fact the Graham was all up in Holder’s cookies. He could’ve, nay should’ve, voted against the nomination based on Holder’s past. As Michelle Malkin says, “God save us from bipartisanship!”

SouthernGent on November 13, 2009 at 4:05 PM

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

NO NO you got the headline all wrong
According to ALL the democrats and liberal nut jobs

The DEATH penalty must be imposed for
TEA party protestors
American Veterans
Rich white conservative folks (lets the liberal wakos off the hook)
Christians
Gun owners
NRA members
and all People who watch fox news..

The islamic terrorist and 9/11 plotters
and all of the islamic nazis here we have captured so far
are to be flown to bermuda
all at taxpayer expense
and then given free aid
all hosted by hollywood celebrities
and their leftist communist masters..

veteranoutrage on November 13, 2009 at 4:38 PM

I wonder how long he had to deliberate over pursuing the death penalty…

what a joke

gatorboy on November 13, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Doctrinaire liberal ideologue judges aren’t much swayed by geography, in my understanding of the world, and you won’t find more idiotically leftist judges than in New York City.

So this leftist nitwit Holder can bluster all he wants about his proposed show trials being near to Ground Zero at the WTC, but he’s turning terrorists into U.S. citizen criminals for the purpose of neutering our war on terror, that’s all. And he knows that these maggots will get the most liberal rules and judgements available anywhere in the U.S. court system right there in NYC.

Jaibones on November 13, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Holder, you’ve already demonstrated your illogical sympathy for terrorists who attack our nation.

Why the f*ck should we believe that this won’t end up in front of an anti-Bush judge and a sympathetic jury of ignorant NY upper west side lib dems who will most likely acquit and release KSM just to get revenge on “George Boooosh”. You stupid fool. The blood of the victims of the next attack will be ON YOUR HANDS, Holder.

You are the poster boy for an ingorant anti-American A$$hole.

bannedbyhuffpo on November 13, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Holder says he’ll seek the death penalty for 9/11 plotters

Whoopdee friggin’ doo. I feel so much better now.

RadClown on November 13, 2009 at 5:43 PM

Holder will drop the case because the terrorists were racial minorities and therefore presumed to be Democrats.

malclave on November 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM

We see how well that Death Penalty worked for Van Jone’s buddy Mumbia.

They miss the whole point, we have a large number of Truther wack jobs in NYC now, all we need is one idiot to get jury duty and Kaleedy here gets life in prison, where he can sue us because he didn’t get his chunky peanut butter.

Rbastid on November 13, 2009 at 7:07 PM

There may be some BIG jurisdictional problems with this as the DOJ may not have jurisdiction to prosecute and the U.S. Court System may not have jurisdiction to try these animals which is precisely one of the 3 reasons the UCMJ was created in 1950.
It would NOT surprise me in the least to see these animals tried, convicted and released on appeal because of lack of proper jurisdiction and guess what, they can’t be tried again under double jeopardy.

nelsonknows on November 13, 2009 at 7:42 PM

EARTH TO HOLDER…

THAT’S WHAT THESE CIA OPERATIVES CALLED TERRORISTS FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T EXIST (AL-QAEDA) WANT!

BobAnthony on November 14, 2009 at 8:35 AM

And in Arabic, al-qaeda means—THE TOILET!

BobAnthony on November 14, 2009 at 8:41 AM

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