Video: Giuliani goes nuclear on Obama over KSM’s trial

posted at 6:36 pm on November 13, 2009 by Allahpundit

On a day when prominent Republicans are piling on, this one obviously carries a little extra weight. It’s 13 minutes long and the best part is at the end of clip two, so skip ahead if you’re pressed for time. Although if you do, you’ll miss his pointed assertion early on that the last terrorist attack on America happened just a week ago.

A few random thoughts to supplement the previous post. One: Unlike Rudy, I’m not worried about the terror threat to NYC from holding the trial here. The NYPD’s been building counterterror resources for eight years; we’re probably better equipped than any other city to deal with it. Two: I haven’t seen it mentioned elsewhere today, but note the perverse incentive this creates. In a sane world, a jihadist who limited his attacks to military targets that are capable of defending themselves would receive more legal protection than one who targeted civilians. In our world, the guy who ordered jumbo jets flown into skyscrapers gets the full complement of constitutional rights in federal district court. Simply put, a terrorist looking to run up a body count is better off going to the mall than to a military base, where the UCMJ might come into play. (Hasan is an obvious example, although his case is unusual because he’s a military man himself.)

Three: Obama and Holder surely realize that the defense is going to try to put Bush on trial by focusing on waterboarding, torture, etc. Is that a feature for them rather than a bug? Nothing would make the left happier than to see Dubya himself in the dock; this is the next best thing, and provides some political cover in case the verdict turns out the wrong way. It’s all Bush’s fault! And four: As you hear the solemn rhetoric pour forth about how this is a glorious victory for due process and the Bill of Rights, bear in mind my point from the Mukasey post. There’s no way they’re letting KSM go. It doesn’t matter what the verdict is or what the judge decides; for reasons of pure national and political survival, Obama and Holder will find a way to reimprison this scum if the trial somehow ends up in acquittal. Which means this is actually the opposite of due process. It’s a stacked deck, right from the get go. So why even bother playing cards?

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All of this is a means for Obama’s Administration to put the Bush Administration on trial–-through the defense lawyers–-so they don’t have to take the political hits for prosecuting the previous administration.

Enoxo on November 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM

Vegas casinos ought to post odds on mistrials.

flyfisher on November 13, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Aww man, I would love to be able to see those videos right now.

There’s no way they’re letting KSM go.

Allah I really hope you are right.

upinak on November 13, 2009 at 6:41 PM

I hope every GOP member of Congress and every challenger to a Dem in Congress from NY makes this an issue in 2010.

Gillibrand will, because Chuckie told her to. I wonder if anyone else wants to walk that plank.

Wethal on November 13, 2009 at 6:41 PM

It’s a stacked deck, right from the get go. So why even bother playing cards?

Because it’s all a political game he’s playing for his nutroot base? Since that explains just about everything this buffoon does, then I don’t understand why it isn’t as simple as that. He actually is that shallow.

AUINSC on November 13, 2009 at 6:42 PM

How soon until we find out the defense attorneys have some ties to Holder?

JammieWearingFool on November 13, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Allah I really hope you are right.

upinak on November 13, 2009 at 6:41 PM

me too…

cmsinaz on November 13, 2009 at 6:44 PM

This, terrorism, immigration, spending, unemployment…2010 is going to be a beauty.

Smart!

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2009 at 6:44 PM

KSM and his terrorists buddies get a trial, a young person refusing to get health insurance goest directly to jail.

SouthernGent on November 13, 2009 at 6:44 PM

for reasons of pure national and political survival, Obama and Holder will find a way to reimprison this scum if the trial somehow ends up in acquittal.

Doesn’t matter if they do. Can you imagine Americans allowing him to walk around after murdering 3,000 citizens? He’ll be dead by the time he reaches the car outside the courthouse. Someone will gladly take the rap and no jury in the country would convict.

amerpundit on November 13, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Rush Limbaugh had this right, and so do you Allah.

This is not going to be a trial of KSM, who has already pleaded guilty and demanded his martyrdom.

This will be a trial of the Bush Administration, of CIA officials, of anyone the radical left can drag out into that kangaroo court to reveal government secrets to their commie Marxist buddies and the Islamofascists of the world.

BKennedy on November 13, 2009 at 6:45 PM

I hope they don’t stack the jury with muslim jihadists. Or taxi drivers.

bloggless on November 13, 2009 at 6:46 PM

This is all about criminalizing the Bush Administration and emasculating the CIA, FBI, NSA, in short the United States of America. The criminal and corrupt Obama administration should be very, very careful about this. If it applies to the Bush Administration it could very well ensnare the Obama Administration.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Obama spend the rest of his days down at Club Gitmo! The sooner the better.

BetseyRoss on November 13, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Giuliani would make a great president.

jhffmn on November 13, 2009 at 6:46 PM

In a sane world this would be considered political suicide.

But what do I know.

lostineurope on November 13, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Three: Obama and Holder surely realize that the defense is going to try to put Bush on trial by focusing on waterboarding, torture, etc. Is that a feature for them rather than a bug?

Yes. The entire point of this is to drag Bush through the dirt and repudiate his prosecution of the Global War on Terror.

These are show trials, designed to ‘restore’ American values while still delivering ‘justice’.

If this was an honest attempt to fairly prosecute and judge suspected terrorists they’d give them all civilian trials and let the chips fall where they may.

BadgerHawk on November 13, 2009 at 6:47 PM

This is also a set-up for 2012. Holder and Obama plan to have enough info on interrogations released by then so they can run against Bush again.

Whoever is the GOP nominee will be put on the spot of supporting Bush’s policies, and then the MSM will chime in “The GOP supports torture!”

Wethal on November 13, 2009 at 6:47 PM

No way they will let KSM go? You trust that crowd, the same people who made the decision to put terrorists in civilian court in the first place?

Of course Holder said they would find something else to charge the savages with in case they are acquitted on these charges, such as trespassing or similar hard-hitting criminal acts.

Bishop on November 13, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Only an immature, inexperienced, wet behind the ears, know-nothing, community agitator, Marxist punk from Kenya would appoint such a stupid AG and send this matter to a Manhattan courtroom.

This CHILD doesn’t have a clue!

He WILL be directly for more unnecessary American bloodshed, just like Ft. Hood.

bannedbyhuffpo on November 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM

I hope KSM gets the firing squad,
and,they send the video tape to AQ!!
(sarc).

canopfor on November 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM

What worries me is that the circus will get out of control. If Bozo wanted to attract every muslim nut job to New York he picked the best way.

You folks in NY will be up to your armpits in terrorists. They will come from all over the country and some will be well equipped from their supply depots, some of which the government decided to seize.

dogsoldier on November 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Wethal on November 13, 2009 at 6:47 PM

We can only hope that’s what they have to run on. Most Americans don’t care that you waterboarded a guy responsible for 3,000 deaths in the United States. Most are just sorry they couldn’t waterboard him personally.

amerpundit on November 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM

The GOP does not understand that Obama just does not defeat people in elections. He wants to demean and if possible, destroy, them publicly.

Obama and the left wing want to take permanent control of the branches of US government, not only through expanding goverment into every part of life, but destroying the opposition.

Wethal on November 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Giuliani would make a great president.

jhffmn on November 13, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Unfortunately he’s not conservative enough to get elected by the Republican party, afterall he is a RINO.

Norman Blizter on November 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM

When can we impeach Obama?

They’re going to get members of the Bush administration on trial, terrorists are going to lecture their dribble to other jihadists and those on the brink of jihad to take heed at their words and commit the atrocities in the name of Allah, and this is the perfect time for embolden terrorists to commit terrorist acts during the trial.

I have to disagree with you Allah. I don’t think NYC is as safe as you think it is. I go to the subways every week praying that something doesn’t happen. No one is checking the bags. It’s still unsafe.

cubachi on November 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Obama doesn’t have the political capital to pull this off without huge losses in his approval rating.

Watch ‘em fall now.

For a guy with a college degree – he sure seems to be unable to make the correct decisions.

HondaV65 on November 13, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Come to think of it, maybe Holder does have a conflict of interest.

ATTORNEY General Eric Holder toured Guantanamo Bay this week, a “fact finding” visit prompted by President Obama’s “close Gitmo” order.

One wonders if his eyes were open to the facts on the ground – given Holder’s evident conflict of interest.

Holder’s previous job, after all, was as a senior partner with Covington and Burling – a white-shoe DC law firm that devotes considerable pro bono time to defending the Gitmo detainees. The job paid $2 million a year, and he expects to collect a like amount this year as part of his separation package.

As a senior partner, he undoubtedly had significant input on what kind of charity cases his firm picked up. He surely knew that dozens of lawyers from from his firm were among the 500-plus civilian lawyers representing the 244 or so remaining detainees (on top of military-court-appointed defenders).

Even now, his Covington colleagues continue to allege rampant torture at Gitmo. They’re fighting hard to have detainees tried through the US court system – essentially given the same rights as US citizens. And their arguments and plans hinge largely on having Holder issue a bad report card.

JammieWearingFool on November 13, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Obama and Holder are not just putting Bush on trial. They are putting the American people on trial.

mobydutch on November 13, 2009 at 6:52 PM

Three: Obama and Holder surely realize that the defense is going to try to put Bush on trial by focusing on waterboarding, torture, etc. Is that a feature for them rather than a bug? Nothing would make the left happier than to see Dubya himself in the dock; this is the next best thing, and provides some political cover in case the verdict turns out the wrong way. It’s all Bush’s fault!

I predict this blows up in their face. We have something to compare Bush to now. I have a feeling this will set off a wave of Bush nostalgia that further deepens the divide between the Dems and Independants.

Dark Eden on November 13, 2009 at 6:52 PM

And four: As you hear the solemn rhetoric pour forth about how this is a glorious victory for due process and the Bill of Rights, bear in mind my point from the Mukasey post. There’s no way they’re letting KSM go. It doesn’t matter what the verdict is or what the judge decides; for reasons of pure national and political survival, Obama and Holder will find a way to reimprison this scum if the trial somehow ends up in acquittal. Which means this is actually the opposite of due process. It’s a stacked deck, right from the get go. So why even bother playing cards?

This is my problem with the whole affair. It seems like both sides have decided that the Constitution doesn’t matter here. Neither really cares about due process, but one just actually wants to pretend to. Can’t decide which is worse.

And, of course, I think KSM deserves to die. As a lawyer I see both sides of this one (use military tribunal or go the criminal route). Honestly, AP’s incentive argument is the best I’ve seen for the military route. All this shit about “oh they’ll give anti-American speeches” is lame. First, who really cares? Maybe it’ll make the boys back home cheer, but it won’t change anything – hell, there’ll be a bi-partisan scorn here at home. And as Allah points out, security’s gonna be HUGE for this one, no one’s escaping/getting attacked.

Trent1289 on November 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM

So per Rudy’s thinking, they should be treated as soldiers, and yet I doubt he would say they deserve Geneva protections.

Free Constitution on November 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Giuliani would make a great president.

jhffmn on November 13, 2009 at 6:46 PM

The next GOP administration, he is the best candidate for Attorney General

ConservativePartyNow on November 13, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Giuliani would make a great president.

jhffmn on November 13, 2009 at 6:46 PM

And he should have been. But he had to go and put all his eggs in the Florida basket.

Disturb the Universe on November 13, 2009 at 6:55 PM

This was,

An Act of War,they should move the venue to say
the former nuclear testing grounds in New Mexico!

Jus sayin!!

canopfor on November 13, 2009 at 6:55 PM

KSM will find some shrewd, smooth talking lib dem lawyer who will unduly influence an ignorant, sympathetic NY upper west side jury (especially one that HATES George Boooooosh) with some quip like …..

“If the glove don’t fit ….. you MUST acquit”.

KSM and hiw cohorts will walk.

bannedbyhuffpo on November 13, 2009 at 6:56 PM

So per Rudy’s thinking, they should be treated as soldiers, and yet I doubt he would say they deserve Geneva protections.

Free Constitution on November 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM

No, enemy combatants, who are not covered by the traditional Geneva conventions. I think to be covered, one must be captured in the uniform of a country that has signed the Geneva conventions (which is why spies aren’t covered).

Wethal on November 13, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Unlike Rudy, I’m not worried about the terror threat to NYC from holding the trial here. The NYPD’s been building counterterror resources for eight years; we’re probably better equipped than any other city to deal with it.

What about the jurors and their families?

Buy Danish on November 13, 2009 at 6:56 PM

To me a simple fact is now crystal clear: if Barrack Hussein Obama (and much of his administration) are not members of Al Qaeda they are absolutely sympathizers of Osama Bin Laden.

To me there is no difference between Barrack Hussien Osama and Osama bin Laden.

From now on he is Barrack Osama.

babylonandon on November 13, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Obama and Holder are not just putting Bush on trial. They are putting the American people on trial.

mobydutch on November 13, 2009 at 6:52 PM

Exactly.

the_nile on November 13, 2009 at 6:58 PM

How does this play out: Maybe the answer is easy to find. Harold Koh was picked by this administration to be one of the top State Departments lawyers. He was Dean at Yale Law school and you don’t leave that job just to push papers at State Department. Harold Koh has written that Shari law can and should be used within the American Justice system in some cases. Koh also believes in Transnational Law.

This is not a trial of KSM this is trial to implement Transnational Law. Yea, I know tin foil hat thinking. Watch how this one plays out, every American will know the words Transnational Law before this trail is over, it is time to start doing a little home work.

Sanmon on November 13, 2009 at 6:59 PM

What about the jurors and their families?

Buy Danish on November 13, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Good point. The mob sometimes finds out who the jurors are in mob trials despite efforts to keep them anonymous. All it takes is one talkative juror who tells all (or a chatty relative.) on who the jurors were. Imagine the book deal.

Wethal on November 13, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Norman Blizter on November 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Go back to the last thread so we can keep poking fun at you contradicting yourself.

Thanks!

BadgerHawk on November 13, 2009 at 7:00 PM

JammieWearingFool on November 13, 2009 at 6:51 PM

I hope Rush brings it up… maybe give it to John Zeigler as well, who can scream better then anyone.

upinak on November 13, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Obama has him aquited and appoints him “Islamic Relations Czar”.

conservativecaveman on November 13, 2009 at 7:00 PM

So per Rudy’s thinking, they should be treated as soldiers, and yet I doubt he would say they deserve Geneva protections.

Free Constitution on November 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM

They’re unlawful soldiers , the Geneva conventions doesn’t apply.

the_nile on November 13, 2009 at 7:00 PM

One: Unlike Rudy, I’m not worried about the terror threat to NYC from holding the trial here. The NYPD’s been building counterterror resources for eight years; we’re probably better equipped than any other city to deal with it.

Allahpundit I admire your confidence, I heard Holder today bragging how NY was hardened for these trials, and I don’t mean to imply you are bragging, but no city can no matter how well protected needs to tempt terrorists by doing this.

fourdeucer on November 13, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Giuliani is the best person for Attorney General, the position was invented with him in mind. He in 15 minutes explained the whole reason that Obama and cadre are doing this, so that even the imbecilic left can understand

The Obama administration will be forever know for stupidity if smoething bad happens because of this inane decision.

The most uncaring, the most sinister, the most corrupt administration ever.

jainphx on November 13, 2009 at 7:01 PM

I can hear KSM on the witness stand now screaming “Allahpundit Akbar” (the “blogging deity is great” jihadist new blogging cry) as he describes being tortured by Bush/Cheney.

All we need now is the Muslim Johnny Cochrane.

The insane patients are now officially running the asylum, and we’re totally f*k’d.

Sweet_Thang on November 13, 2009 at 7:02 PM

If Bozo wanted to attract every muslim nut job to New York he picked the best way.

dogsoldier on November 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM

dogsoldier: Thats, “BO FU The Clown” !!!!:)

Obama will answer to the American people if anything should
happen to the Big Apple!!:)

canopfor on November 13, 2009 at 7:03 PM

And as Allah points out, security’s gonna be HUGE for this one, no one’s escaping/getting attacked.

Trent1289 on November 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Terrorists only escape in tiny little pieces! They’re not very concerned about escape.

donh525 on November 13, 2009 at 7:03 PM

These are definitely show trials. The only question is what show are they after. I think the main goal is to smear the previous administration, and to make Obama look better to his base.

But I’m not so sanguine that a conviction is assured. Granted, Obama is not about to simply release KSM, but he might well release him if he can say, “He was given a fair trial, and the judge ordered him released.” It’s all about who to blame.

tom on November 13, 2009 at 7:04 PM

screaming “Allahpundit Akbar”

Sweet_Thang on November 13, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Sweet_Thang: Hehe,you is baaaaaaaaaaad,:)

canopfor on November 13, 2009 at 7:04 PM

The AP headline says this will bar evidence gathered under duress. That pretty much is everything of any value. This stinks like yesterdays diapers. Sorry about the diaper reference, I baby sat my 1 year old grandson today.

sandee on November 13, 2009 at 7:04 PM

I dont post a whole lot, but read everyday.

Alla,
the last bit says it all;

There’s no way they’re letting KSM go. It doesn’t matter what the verdict is or what the judge decides; for reasons of pure national and political survival, Obama and Holder will find a way to reimprison this scum if the trial somehow ends up in acquittal. Which means this is actually the opposite of due process. It’s a stacked deck, right from the get go. So why even bother playing cards?

It’s Bush’s fault, period!

snowman423 on November 13, 2009 at 7:04 PM

Will they put KSM in a cell with an ObamaCare violator?

jgapinoy on November 13, 2009 at 7:06 PM

I love Rudy Guilianni, not as a presidential candidate, but as a plain speaking New Yorker, pulls no punches, covers no asses, gotta love him, the greatest New Yorker

Willie on November 13, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Iran will probably “go nuclear” next.

Cybergeezer on November 13, 2009 at 7:07 PM

OT: Cold Cash Jefferson got thirteen years in the slammer for corruption.

Wethal on November 13, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Allahpundit I admire your confidence, I heard Holder today bragging how NY was hardened for these trials, and I don’t mean to imply you are bragging, but no city can no matter how well protected needs to tempt terrorists by doing this.

fourdeucer on November 13, 2009 at 7:01 PM

If the military cant protect itself , you got to wonder where is it safe.

the_nile on November 13, 2009 at 7:09 PM

All we need now is the Muslim Johnny Cochrane.

Sweet_Thang on November 13, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Will he be the one to standup for his fellow Muslim ?

http://www.isna.net/assets/2007%20keith%20ellison,%20kelsey.jpg

macncheez on November 13, 2009 at 7:09 PM

These are definitely show trials.

tom on November 13, 2009 at 7:04 P

Someone finally agreeing with me. I’m not used to be in trollville as far as extreme minority positions go, but the whole ‘he’s doing this so he can let them go’ is just a tad bit tin-foil hat for my taste.

BadgerHawk on November 13, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Simply put, a terrorist looking to run up a body count is better off going to the mall than to a military base, where the UCMJ might come into play.

Not sure if that’s the case. If Dear Liar is trying KSM et al., in civilian court, then He’s saying they are civilians. Civilians are not subject to UCMJ even if they commit a crime on a military base. Unless there’s a weird quirk of law I’m not familiar with.

If they are acquitted somehow, any habeas corpus petition gets them out. They now have lawyers and are being considered civilians. What would be worse, KSM walking out a free man or a US government that continues to hold innocent civilians. At least with Bush they were considered unlawful enemy combatants, creating a special category that only a few fit in. Under this new administration having someone not convicted continue to be held without charge is frightening. What’s next, those who refuse to get health insurance?

rbj on November 13, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Obama will answer to the American people if anything should
happen to the Big Apple!!:)

canopfor on November 13, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Something just happened in Texas, and he doesn’t seem to feel like he needs to answer anything. Meeting with SEIU for another “Jobs Summit” soon…wait and see if those icky military folks can come up with a script for Afghanistan thats more to his flavor. Other than that..ho-hum.

It was a major terrorist attack.
It was on his watch.
It’s business as usual for Barry.

Itchee Dryback on November 13, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Will they put KSM in a cell with an ObamaCare violator?

jgapinoy on November 13, 2009 at 7:06 PM

No way
Obamascare violators will be held at Gitmo
Thats why they are not closing it down yet
KSM will be moved to Palau

macncheez on November 13, 2009 at 7:12 PM

If the military cant protect itself , you got to wonder where is it safe.

the_nile on November 13, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Just try to imagine getting the jury notice in the mail and the terror of having your family, relatives, and friends all being in jeopardy.

fourdeucer on November 13, 2009 at 7:13 PM

It’s not that he will be let go, it’s all the last 8 years being dragged through the courts and the vilification of The Bush administration, CIA etc. A little red meat for Obamas rabid base.Real brave of Obama .Hide behind the “law” to get to his real prize. We all know what that is and we the people are part of it. He wants to take over ever branch of Government. Scary times.

sandee on November 13, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Giuliani would make a great president. jhffmn on November 13, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Unfortunately he’s not conservative enough to get elected by the Republican party, afterall he is a RINO.

Norman Blizter on November 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Well, we can’t all go thinking for ourselves, now, can we?

tom on November 13, 2009 at 7:15 PM

The only logic I can come up with,is that Team Liberal
wants to find out how many sleeper Operations are will
ing to come to New York!!

Outstanding and most brilliant leadership,and Obama is
a Master Tactical Idiot!!
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On the otherhand,maybe this is the REAL OBAMA,calling out
the Jihadys,and bring it on style,

from,his Community Organizing Agitating Chicago Thug method!

Only tho,Obama won’t be the one getting hurt!!

canopfor on November 13, 2009 at 7:15 PM

“Our criminal justice system is geared to let guilty people go free if there’s any doubt.”

Not if there’s “any doubt”, if there’s a reasonable doubt. Does anyone think there’s a reasonable doubt in this case?

Obama and Holder will find a way to reimprison this scum if the trial somehow ends up in acquittal.

…which would never happen anyway. Your point is like saying “Ted Bundy was obviously guilty, and we’d never let him go free of he were acquitted because he’s so dangerous, so why bother having a trial?!?!? It’s all a charade!!!!

crr6 on November 13, 2009 at 7:16 PM

How soon until we find out the defense attorneys have some ties to Holder?

JammieWearingFool on November 13, 2009 at 6:43

If you read Michelle’s book Culture of Corruption starting on page 118-126 she points out his connection to previous detainees at Gitmo who were released only to return to jihad. The law firm was Covington & Burling. The attorney’s name who defended them is Mark Falkoff who went on to publish a book of poems written by the detainees. It won’t take long to connect the dots.

milwife88 on November 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Wonder if the trial will get some stimulus money? If this is part of the master plan by Obamaramadama to offset the 10% unemployment by creating 5 million security jobs (unionized by SEIU) in NY? Oh, and another 2 million lawyer jobs?

Robert17 on November 13, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Even with a “perfect” arrest, there are ways to find technicalities to get the defendant released. Here we have possible habeus corpus “violations”, not to mention “torture” (enhanced interrogation). Most judges won’t fall for it, but the terrorists’ lawyers will find the one judge who will bite.

I predict 5 years of wrangling, and all the presumed innocent will be acquitted without trial, based on our horrific treatment of them, poor little darlings.

stonemeister on November 13, 2009 at 7:20 PM

It’s all a charade!!!!

crr6 on November 13, 2009 at 7:16 PM

OMG! I agree!

donh525 on November 13, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Why doesn’t Obama do what this liberal Democrat president did:

A military tribunal for German wartime spies.

fred5678 on November 13, 2009 at 7:22 PM

I was waiting for Guiliani to weigh in. He and Andy McCarthy, who prosecuted the Blind Sheikh, recognize that the acts of these jihadists are indeed acts of war, not civil crimes. Given the asymmetrical warfare conducted by the jihadists, whether as part of a plot or as lone wolves, their rightful day in court should be before military tribunals. Their role as enemy combatants does not qualify them for Constitutional rights or protections, nor do the Geneva Conventions apply.

onlineanalyst on November 13, 2009 at 7:23 PM

We can only hope that’s what they have to run on. Most Americans don’t care that you waterboarded a guy responsible for 3,000 deaths in the United States. Most are just sorry they couldn’t waterboard him personally.

amerpundit on November 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM

If he gets the death penalty and they need somebody to throw the switch, I’m willing to pay my own travel costs.

Lou Budvis on November 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM

KSM will have to be let go. There is no way around it.

Civilian criminal law will not allow the admission of evidence gained without search warrant, wire tap warrant, or coercion.

If the judge holds true to the law, and to precedent, KSM is a free man.

Mark this day, KSM goes free.

Holger on November 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Although I don’t think that criminal courts are appropriate for war crimes, if these men are in fact put on trial in NYC, does that mean they will also be put on trial in DC? What about justice for those in the PA flight crash? Does Holder prosecute that?

MeatHeadinCA on November 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM

If you read Michelle’s book Culture of Corruption starting on page 118-126 she points out his connection to previous detainees at Gitmo who were released only to return to jihad. The law firm was Covington & Burling. The attorney’s name who defended them is Mark Falkoff who went on to publish a book of poems written by the detainees. It won’t take long to connect the dots.

milwife88 on November 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM

milwife88: I found this video,it helps to make your point!!
-:)

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=9701

canopfor on November 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM

“Our criminal justice system is geared to let guilty people go free if there’s any doubt.”

Not if there’s “any doubt”, if there’s a reasonable doubt. Does anyone think there’s a reasonable doubt in this case?

Will any of the evidence against KSM be excluded because it was illegally obtained?

Everybody knew that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murder, too. There was plenty of evidence. But once enough of that evidence was thrown out of court, enough reasonable doubt was raised that he was acquitted.

The verdict in a trial can’t be based on evidence that everyone knows about, but was excluded by the judge. Giuliani’s point remains: the court system deliberately slants in favor of the accused, and there are tons of maneuvers to exclude one piece of evidence after another. Plus, if we treat this as a regular criminal trial, then KSM’s right to a speedy trial has already been violated.

Obama and Holder will find a way to reimprison this scum if the trial somehow ends up in acquittal.

…which would never happen anyway. Your point is like saying “Ted Bundy was obviously guilty, and we’d never let him go free of he were acquitted because he’s so dangerous, so why bother having a trial?!?!? It’s all a charade!!!!

crr6 on November 13, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Again, O.J. Simpson. For that matter, your favorite terrorist, William Ayers, who famously said, “Guilty as sin, free as a bird! What a country!”

My own prediction if this farce goes through, is that KSM will be acquitted on all these charges, and the Obama administration will turn around and charge him with another crime, for which they will win a conviction, and make him serve 5-10 years. So technically they won’t just release him, but he’ll still be quite literally getting away with murder.

tom on November 13, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Not if there’s “any doubt”, if there’s a reasonable doubt. Does anyone think there’s a reasonable doubt in this case?

Courthouses around the country are full of beyond a reasonable doubt cases that were thrown out on technicalities.

ICBM on November 13, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Why doesn’t Obama do what this liberal Democrat president did:

A military tribunal for German wartime spies.

fred5678 on November 13, 2009 at 7:22 PM

The New Left that the 60s brought aren’t liberals. I don’t know what to call them but they are not liberal.

terryannonline on November 13, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Spys and sabatours have no geneva convention protections, ask F.D.R….

huckelberry on November 13, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Never again should any soldier capture a terrorist on the battlefield–just kill them. Period.

Special K on November 13, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Why do KSM & Friends get a civil trial when all Herman Goering and his buddies got was a trial for ex post facto laws before a military tribunal?

Lou Budvis on November 13, 2009 at 7:32 PM

I don’t know what to call them but they are not liberal.

terryannonline on November 13, 2009 at 7:30 PM

According to Jonah Goldberg, they’re “liberal fascists” and I think he made a darn good argument.

Special K on November 13, 2009 at 7:32 PM

“Our criminal justice system is geared to let guilty people go free if there’s any doubt.”

Not if there’s “any doubt”, if there’s a reasonable doubt. Does anyone think there’s a reasonable doubt in this case?

crr6 on November 13, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Rudy studied law at NYU, where he graduated cum laude and also made the Law Review. He also was a US attorney prosecuting cases in the same US District Course where these guys will be tried.

What’s your legal resume?

Del Dolemonte on November 13, 2009 at 7:33 PM

Courthouses around the country are full of beyond a reasonable doubt cases that were thrown out on technicalities.

ICBM on November 13, 2009 at 7:29 PM

It only takes one juror out of twelve to cause a mistrial.

fourdeucer on November 13, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Holder said NYC is hardened for the trials??!!

What’s to prevent some jihadi from walking into, say, Macy’s and emptying a 9mm pistol on Day 1 of the trial? And another on Day 2 emptying a 9mm into the lobby of, say, the Pierre Hotel? And another jihadi on Day 3…..you get the drift.

ex Dem from Miami on November 13, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Never again should any soldier capture a terrorist on the battlefield–just kill them. Period.

Special K on November 13, 2009 at 7:31 PM

We did it to the Japanese in WWII. The Japanese would fake surrender. They’d pull the pins on grenades and tuck them under their armpits. When they got close enough to the Marines they’d raise their hands fully and boom!

If there weren’t officers around, the enlisted would not take prisoners and they admit that they did it to this day.

Holger on November 13, 2009 at 7:35 PM

This is also a set-up for 2012. Holder and Obama plan to have enough info on interrogations released by then so they can run against Bush again.

Whoever is the GOP nominee will be put on the spot of supporting Bush’s policies, and then the MSM will chime in “The GOP supports torture!”

Wethal on November 13, 2009 at 6:47 PM

The only problem is that brilliant strategy has already backfired.

ddrintn on November 13, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Spys and sabatours have no geneva convention protections, ask F.D.R….

huckelberry on November 13, 2009 at 7:31 PM

The New Left think presidents like Truman are war criminals (remember what Jon Stewart said?) …. they only invoke F.D.R. and Truman if they want some new government programs that is it.

terryannonline on November 13, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Not if there’s “any doubt”, if there’s a reasonable doubt. Does anyone think there’s a reasonable doubt in this case?

crr6 on November 13, 2009 at 7:16 PM

I don’t think that there is a reasonable doubt that the Ft Hood massacre was partially motivated by Islamic religious teachings and perhaps even some nationalism. Do you?

MeatHeadinCA on November 13, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Obama is guilty of Treason and should be immediately removed from office for failure to fulfill his oath of office.

Specifically “to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States..”

PappyD61 on November 13, 2009 at 7:38 PM

What’s to prevent some jihadi from walking into, say, Macy’s and emptying a 9mm pistol on Day 1 of the trial? And another on Day 2 emptying a 9mm into the lobby of, say, the Pierre Hotel? And another jihadi on Day 3…..you get the drift.

ex Dem from Miami on November 13, 2009 at 7:34 PM

That would be unfortunate; however, that alone is not the best argument for why the trials shouldn’t be held in NYC. One could argue that it could be dangerous to then prosecute organized crime in NYC… As has been pointed out by numerous people, it appears they should be prosecuted as WAR CRIMINALS.

MeatHeadinCA on November 13, 2009 at 7:38 PM

The verdict in a trial can’t be based on evidence that everyone knows about, but was excluded by the judge.

We don’t know how much evidence is inadmissible, I’d be willing to bet that there’s still plenty that is admissible even if we exclude evidence obtained through illegal means. Hasn’t KSM confessed to the crimes himself, numerous times?

Regardless, even if nearly all of inculpatory evidence is excluded, every jury in the country would convict the guy, and no appellate court in the country would hold on appeal that the verdict was not supported by the evidence.

crr6 on November 13, 2009 at 7:40 PM

We can only hope that’s what they have to run on. Most Americans don’t care that you waterboarded a guy responsible for 3,000 deaths in the United States. Most are just sorry they couldn’t waterboard him personally.

amerpundit on November 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM

If he gets the death penalty and they need somebody to throw the switch, I’m willing to pay my own travel costs.

Lou Budvis on November 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM

A syrenge full of air stuck into their temple if that does’nt work a turkey baister connected to a compressor will do the trick. I volunteer to do the job…

huckelberry on November 13, 2009 at 7:41 PM

And we all got all worked up over this ?
How silly of us

macncheez on November 13, 2009 at 7:42 PM

So, where are they going to find a jury of his peers? Gitmo?

mctowler on November 13, 2009 at 7:42 PM

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