The 50-job lawnmower, and other Porkulus job fables

posted at 1:36 pm on November 13, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

We’ve been aggregating tales of Porkulus fantasy jobs, but this one takes the cake.   Give the New York Times credit for catching this last week, adding Arkansas to the growing list of states with ridiculous levels of inflation in an already-ridiculous calculation of “saved or created” jobs.  In Fayetteville, the government website claimed that the sale of a single lawnmower saved 50 jobs:

In June, the federal government spent $1,047 in stimulus money to buy a rider mower from the Toro Company to cut the grass at the Fayetteville National Cemetery in Arkansas. Now, a report on the government’s stimulus Web site improbably claims that that single lawn mower sale helped save or create 50 jobs.

Earlier that same month, when Chrysler got a $52.9 million stimulus order for new cars for the government, the struggling automaker claimed that the money did not save a single job.

Those two extremes illustrate the difficulties in trying to figure out just how many jobs can be attributed to the $787 billion stimulus program. Last week the Obama administration released reports from more than 130,000 recipients of stimulus money in which they claimed to have saved or created more than 640,000 jobs, but a review of those reports shows that some are simply wrong, while others contain apparently subjective estimates.

They contain “subjective estimates”?  If subjective is a synonym for false, then that last statement is accurate.  Claiming 50 jobs saved from the sale of one $1000 lawnmower is not subjective.  It’s ridiculous and fraudulent, and the system that allows the government to make that claim is the source of the ridiculousness and fraud.

The same kind of thinking went into the claim that $890 for nine pairs of shoes saved nine jobs:

Moore’s slice of the stimulus came in an $889.60 order from the Army Corps of Engineers for nine pairs of work boots for a stimulus project.

Moore says he’s been supplying the Corps with boots for at least two decades. This year, because he provided safety shoes for work funded by the stimulus package, he said he got a call from the Corps telling him he had to fill out a report for Recovery.gov detailing how he’d used the $889.60, and how many jobs it had helped him to create or save. He later got another call, asking him if he’d finished the report.

“The paperwork was unreal,” said Moore, who added that he tried to figure out how to file the forms online, then gave up and asked his daughter to help.

Paula Moore-Kirby, 42 years old, had less trouble with the Web site, but couldn’t work out how to answer the question about how many jobs her father had created or saved. She couldn’t leave it blank, either, she said. After several calls to a helpline for recipients she came away with the impression that she would hear back if there was a problem with her response, and have a chance to correct it. So with 15 minutes to go before the reporting deadline, she sent in her answer: nine jobs, because her father helped nine members of the Corps to work.

“You could fill out the form in 10 minutes, but we were trying to fill out the form correctly,” she said, guessing that she spent up to eight hours on it in total.

There has been some suggestions that the fraudulent job claims are the fault of the filers.  I would recommend that people read through this link to learn what the process is for these folks.  They have no choice but to declare a number of jobs saved and created when receiving stimulus funds, and usually have to either use White House formulas or just guess at numbers.  In this case, it took eight hours for the recipients of the contract to figure out how to account for $900, hardly a salute to efficiency.  (They only found out later that they weren’t required to report it at all.)

In Connecticut, the accounting for jobs saved and created apparently neglected to check the work, claiming that Porkulus funds saved 108 jobs in a police department of 22 officers — who weren’t at risk of being laid off anyway.  In Texas (same link), a contractor hired five roofers and an inspector to replace some fencing and roofs in a town of 900 people, and got credited with saving 450 jobs.

That may not be as silly as the 50-job lawnmower, but it’s every bit as phony.


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I can believe that it takes 50 government workers to sell a lawnmower …

lorien1973 on November 13, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Porkulus funds saved 108 jobs in a police department of 22 officers — who weren’t at risk of being laid off anyway.

Same here in Alaska. Freaking sad.

upinak on November 13, 2009 at 1:39 PM

I can believe that it takes 50 government workers to sell a lawnmower …

lorien1973 on November 13, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Well you know how many it takes to change a light bulb, right?

Nope I don’t either.

upinak on November 13, 2009 at 1:44 PM

“the government website claimed that the sale of a single lawnmower saved 50 jobs…”

Actually I agree; matter of fact more than 50 jobs were likely saved or created, since subject lawn mower was likely an import that probably came from Hong Kong. Bravo Obama… saving or creating 50 jobs in Hong Kong… good work… Oh wait… wasn’t he suppose to “save or create” jobs here in USA?

IntheNet on November 13, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Meanwhile, billions of tax payer dollars are being funneled to unions, and White House Admin/ Tax free Swiss bank accounts.

Because as we all know…what’s allowed for Obama, is not allowed for anyone else.

capejasmine on November 13, 2009 at 1:45 PM

But think of all the jobs that will be created just to fill out the paperwork alone! That’s a job and a half just figuring that out!

/s

4shoes on November 13, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Good catch, Ed.

Since this was in the New York Times, it must have printed in their tiniest font and buried at the bottom of the local classifieds.

Gator Country on November 13, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Actually it was East Arkansas that saved those jobs. East Arkansas is the 53rd state.

rbj on November 13, 2009 at 1:46 PM

I can believe that it takes 50 government workers to sell a lawnmower …

lorien1973 on November 13, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Nah. Takes 50 to run it.

Aviator on November 13, 2009 at 1:46 PM

It’s always the same with Democrats and their policies, smoke and mirrors. Meanwhile, when GWB did a stimulus, the MSM would hound him if he only gained 100,000 jobs in a quarter. What a difference being a dem!! At least some of the press is taking to time to point out the bad accounting going on.

bflat879 on November 13, 2009 at 1:46 PM

I can believe that it takes 50 government workers to sell a lawnmower …

lorien1973 on November 13, 2009 at 1:38 PM

One to hold the rope and 49 to tug the lawn mower away from the rope.

mwdiver on November 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM

So, I bought a Toro Recycler mower. Does that mean I created or saved 8 jobs? If so, when are they showing up to cut the grass?

Jason Coleman on November 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Where is the outrage regarding Obama continuing to state the “saved jobs” lie in the face of overwhelmning evidence to the contrary? Does the American public now simply accept that our president is a liar?

GaltBlvnAtty on November 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM

If some one lost their job, you can’t get by with false claims with them. They know better.

seven on November 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM

One to hold the rope and 49 to tug the lawn mower away from the rope.

I see where I messed up, I bought the electric start model.

Darn.

Jason Coleman on November 13, 2009 at 1:49 PM

I can believe that it takes 50 government workers to sell a lawnmower …

In all fairness… Only 35 to manufacture the lawnmower, 8 to supervise them, 4 in management and five in accounting to check everyone’s math.

Tom_OC on November 13, 2009 at 1:50 PM

..what is the ubiquitous comment proffered for articles like these? Oh yeah:

“Shocked, I tell you, I’m shocked!”

VoyskaPVO on November 13, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Given the sad test scores in math & critical thinking skills areas for American students, I am not surprised by all this creative accounting.
Lots of ‘scientists’ make stuff up, too.
If they insert Global Warming into their research proposals, they get cash.
If you are a Fish & Wildlife biologist, you can lie about your numbers to reduce someone’s grazing allotment (& no other information outside the govt data collector’s stuff is often admissable).
Junk science is now king. Junk accounting is now king.
Census data is manipulated the same exact way.
I wish real math & statistics were taught in school.

Badger40 on November 13, 2009 at 1:51 PM

One to hold the rope and 49 to tug the lawn mower away from the rope.

I see where I messed up, I bought the electric start model.

Darn.

Jason Coleman on November 13, 2009 at 1:49 PM

That’s okay, you can claim the other 42 were needed to file the grievance with the union for violating federal workplace rules.

Gator Country on November 13, 2009 at 1:51 PM

The same kind of thinking went into the claim that $890 for nine pairs of shoes saved nine jobs:

Eighteen if they hop.

unclesmrgol on November 13, 2009 at 1:51 PM

In all fairness… Only 35 to manufacture the lawnmower, 8 to supervise them, 4 in management and five in accounting to check everyone’s math.

Tom_OC on November 13, 2009 at 1:50 PM

That adds up to 52. You must be using that new Omath.

mwdiver on November 13, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Its obvious, it took 50 employees to think up how the frame the lie, I thought it was obvious…

angelwing34215 on November 13, 2009 at 1:53 PM

The same kind of thinking went into the claim that $890 for nine pairs of shoes saved nine jobs:

Eighteen if they hop.

unclesmrgol on November 13, 2009 at 1:51 PM

+10

Gator Country on November 13, 2009 at 1:53 PM

[quote]IntheNet on November 13, 2009 at 1:44 PM[/quote]

Toro is based in Minnesota. I believe the majority (all?) of their products are still made in the US.

strictnein on November 13, 2009 at 1:54 PM

35 to manufacture the lawnmower, 8 to supervise them, 4 in management and five in accounting to check everyone’s math.

Tom_OC on November 13, 2009 at 1:50 PM

35 + 8 + 4 + 5 = 52

Hi Obama.. nice for you to visit HA today!

upinak on November 13, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Fraud

royzer on November 13, 2009 at 1:54 PM

I say we ask to see Michelleda’s shoe closet. Bet ya she has more pairs than Imelda had.

capejasmine on November 13, 2009 at 1:54 PM

That adds up to 52. You must be using that new Omath.

mwdiver on November 13, 2009 at 1:52 PM

It is you, sir, who are wrong!!!!
Wrong, wrong, wrong!
Using Omath produces a sum of 57.

Tom_OC on November 13, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Tom_OC on November 13, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Gotcha it is that NEW math! The phantom 5.

upinak on November 13, 2009 at 1:56 PM

So with 15 minutes to go before the reporting deadline, she sent in her answer: nine jobs, because her father helped nine members of the Corps to work.

The correct answer would have been the number of employees laid off from Moore’s business if the $889.60 order hadn’t crossed their counter, or the number of extra employees they had to hire to build the nine pairs of boots.

Look the number of jobs saved to be a lot less. I’m suspecting the Moores’ will not be getting any more Government business as a result of the Times’ reporting.

unclesmrgol on November 13, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Public school math paying off in government now, eh?

ted c on November 13, 2009 at 1:56 PM

If the White House held itself to the same standards it demands of the accounting departments of private companies it would be serving two life terms in prison with Bernie Madoff.

This Democrat “stimulus” is in the running for the cruelest joke ever perpetrated on the American people by their government. And it’s a strong field of contenders.

These clueless collectivist creeps in the Obama Administration then turn around and have the BALLS to demagogue private business accounting practices and CEO pay?

This is what people like Norman Blitzer consider “success” in the Obama Administration.

Obama “job statistics” = Onion article

Good Lt on November 13, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Ed, shame on you! You’re not counting all the jobs saved or created to produce the smoke and mirrors used for porkulus accounting.

Loxodonta on November 13, 2009 at 1:57 PM

So, I bought a Toro Recycler mower. Does that mean I created or saved 8 jobs? If so, when are they showing up to cut the grass?

Jason Coleman on November 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM

ditto that. I could use a couple mo fu’s to do a little rakin’ before they mow the place. That’s got to be worth another 10-15 jobs, no make it 75.

Mathematics.

ted c on November 13, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Criticize at your own peril.
Obama Math Camp awaits!

Tom_OC on November 13, 2009 at 1:59 PM

I bought a Slushie at 7/11 for lunch today.

*Bam!*

12 jobs “created or saved”.

Wait until I get a grande Double Chocolaty Chip Frappuccino at Starbucks tomorrow.

amerpundit on November 13, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Campaign slogan for Democrats in 2010:

Putting America Back to Work, One Lawnmower Sale At a Time

amerpundit on November 13, 2009 at 2:01 PM

So, I bought a Toro Recycler mower. Does that mean I created or saved 8 jobs? If so, when are they showing up to cut the grass?

Jason Coleman on November 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM

If I were you, I’d be worrying about the IRS letter demanding all the payroll taxes you failed to pay.

Loxodonta on November 13, 2009 at 2:01 PM

They contain “subjective estimates”? If subjective is a synonym for false, then that last statement is accurate.

Barack Hussein Obama- America’s first subjective President.

Man Caused Disaster= The Obama Administration.

highhopes on November 13, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Every day I get more and more sick of this blatant lying to the American people.

WisCon on November 13, 2009 at 2:02 PM

We all saw the Styrofoam stage columns in Denver last year. We can’t say we weren’t warned.

Fletch54 on November 13, 2009 at 2:04 PM

There has been some suggestions that the fraudulent job claims are the fault of the filers. I would recommend that people read through this link to learn what the process is for these folks

I would insist that the responsibility for accurate reporting lies with the administration, not the filers. The public trust for spending these millions of dollars flows through the corrupt Obama administration. If there is any fraud in the numbers it is the fault of the government officials that handed over the money, not the worthless reasons the recipients got it.

highhopes on November 13, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Every day I get more and more sick of this blatant lying to the American people.

WisCon on November 13, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Don’t get sick. Devote some time to helping Wisconsin Districts 3 & 8 flip to Republican next November.

Loxodonta on November 13, 2009 at 2:06 PM

We all saw the Styrofoam stage columns in Denver last year. We can’t say we weren’t warned.

Fletch54 on November 13, 2009 at 2:04 PM

That was mere hubris. It was the “Office of the President Elect” complete with logo that should have been the tip-off.

highhopes on November 13, 2009 at 2:08 PM

I bought a Slushie at 7/11 for lunch today.

*Bam!*

12 jobs “created or saved”.

Wait until I get a grande Double Chocolaty Chip Frappuccino at Starbucks tomorrow.

amerpundit on November 13, 2009 at 1:59 PM

ROFLMAO!!! That gave me a good laugh, and I sure needed it today. Thank you!!! LOL

capejasmine on November 13, 2009 at 2:10 PM

See I told you government can run healthcare!

/ Bleeds Blue
/ crr6
/ Grow Fins

gwelf on November 13, 2009 at 2:11 PM

bought a Slushie at 7/11 for lunch today.
*Bam!*
12 jobs “created or saved”.
Wait until I get a grande Double Chocolaty Chip Frappuccino at Starbucks tomorrow.
amerpundit on November 13, 2009 at 1:59 PM

That’s a Peace Prize!

LASue on November 13, 2009 at 2:11 PM

That was mere hubris

More than hubris. An obvious signal that the Obama show is a giant illusion of stage props, smoke and mirrors.

Fletch54 on November 13, 2009 at 2:12 PM

“The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.”
— Thomas Jefferson

reaganaut on November 13, 2009 at 2:12 PM

That adds up to 52. You must be using that new Omath.

mwdiver on November 13, 2009 at 1:52 PM

It is you, sir, who are wrong!!!!
Wrong, wrong, wrong!
Using Omath produces a sum of 57.

Tom_OC on November 13, 2009 at 1:55 PM

lol thanks guys i needed that today.

God save us all!

Joe Caps on November 13, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Most thinking Americans do not need specific examples to know that Porkulus was/is a miserable failure.

We only need look at its authors.

David2.0 on November 13, 2009 at 2:13 PM

gwelf on November 13, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Maybe they’re in dire need of a brain scan, and just want others to pick up the tab!?!

capejasmine on November 13, 2009 at 2:13 PM

The ads just write themselves…

The trick is to keep this nonsense in front of the voters, now through 2014. Dont let up, keep harping and pointing out the fraud and lies. Some people take longer than others to realize the true state of things…

JusDreamin on November 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM

I tell ya, this wonderful government efficiency is exactly why we need government run health-care.

There are millions of people dying in streets every minute.

And greedy doctors amputate hundreds of thousands of left legs EVERY DAY when a simple blue pill would have treated the toenail fungus.

Clearly, when the reports come in, government run health-care will save over a billion lives and two-billion legs each and every year.

Rod on November 13, 2009 at 2:19 PM

It’s a Crying shame that while we are working a living – (if we are lucky to have a job ) some of us are wondering what our crazy Uncle Sam (Scam) is stealing from us this time ? you go home and look around to see what’s missing ..

wheels on November 13, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Can we now say the propaganda is crumbling? Between these lies and the 17.5% unemployment rate and all the other bulldip slung by Bozo’s regime, they have negative credibility.

Even the biased liberal media is getting embarrassed to repeat the obvious phony crap.

CBS – the Slimes and the Globe all recently slammed the fraudulent numbers put out by Bozo…

dogsoldier on November 13, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Maybe the jobs created or saved were for doing all of the paperwork.

cat-scratch on November 13, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Toro is based in Minnesota. I believe the majority (all?) of their products are still made in the US.

Most of their small product, (push mowers, trimmers, blowers) come from Mexico. Their larger and commercial grade products are built in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Nebraska.

Oh, and as a former Toro employee and husband of a current Toro employee, I would like to thank all of you who bought this Toro product with your tax dollars. Still trying to figure out where the 50 jobs came in though…

Major Nuisance on November 13, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Well you know how many it takes to change a light bulb, right?

Nope I don’t either.

upinak on November 13, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Oh..that’s an easy one…it takes one more.

Fighton03 on November 13, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Claiming 50 jobs saved from the sale of one $1000 lawnmower is not subjective. It’s ridiculous and fraudulent

Any claim of any job savings or creation, made in any sort of economic situation, by anyone, is ridiculous and fraudulent. Whenever any politician claims a policy will create jobs, that politician, by so doing, brands himself a liar.

hicsuget on November 13, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I keep hearing this stuff and then I hear someone on the left claim the number again.

The Whitehouse created a perception and it became reality.

How do we break through and get people to see that these are deliberate lies? Why are his numbers still above 50%?

Why do people still think it is okay for Obama and his cronies to completely lie with no accountability?

The country has gone insane.

petunia on November 13, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Well you know how many it takes to change a light bulb, right?

Nope I don’t either.

upinak on November 13, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Oh..that’s an easy one…it takes one more.

Fighton03 on November 13, 2009 at 2:36 PM

I don’t know but it saves 100 jobs to change 1 light bulb! Green jobs too! Go ask Alice when she’s 12 feet tall.

petunia on November 13, 2009 at 2:43 PM

My son is working on his first US Army Corps of Engineering job and said the paper work is far more daunting than the 2 year earthwork project itself.

DanMan on November 13, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Actually Obama is to congratulated. His stimulus money has created MORE jobs than his own figures show, viz:

130,000 Union enforcers and agitators to gently encourage recalcitrant businesses to unionize.

220,000 ACORN employees to encourage 13 year old Guatemalan girls the values of the free enterprise system

50,000 additional employees for Eric Holder’s DOJ to prosecute Dick Cheney and to defend WTC terrorists.

25,000 laborers to cut Al Gore’s grass and to manage the palatial estate he built as the result of global warming profiteering.

500,000 emissaries designated to run around the world apologizing for US sins. This would also include people needed to transport, feed and cloth these people.

75,000 new IRS auditors to target “hit list” income tax returns.

10,000 beauticians to keep Pelosi’s face wrinkle free.

MaiDee on November 13, 2009 at 2:49 PM

…claiming that Porkulus funds saved 108 jobs in a police department of 22 officers — who weren’t at risk of being laid off anyway.

The near future:

Obama: “Ya know, Joe, the numbers on this saved/created thing just aren’t working out. So we’re going to add “enhanced”. Got it? Jobs created/saved/enhanced.”

ROCnPhilly on November 13, 2009 at 2:55 PM

That may not be as silly as the 50-job lawnmower, but it’s every bit as phony.

OK, hold on a second. Obama and his team is correct, it saved 50 jobs because at least 50 people had something to do with that lawnmower. There was a salesperson, and bolts person, a tire person, gas station attendant that will sell gas for it, a truck driver that delivers gas for that lawnmower, a tire manufacture, rope manufacture, blades, do I need to go on? And that does not include all those people going into their communities and spending the $0.50 each one got from the sale of that lawnmower. That is 50 peoples lives saved by that lawnmower, and countless others/

/s

WoosterOh on November 13, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Just occurred to me. I guess we could say all those Porkulus jobs were created. As in: fabricated, made up.

ROCnPhilly on November 13, 2009 at 3:00 PM

10,000 beauticians Magicians heavy equipment operators to keep Pelosi’s face wrinkle free.

MaiDee on November 13, 2009 at 2:49 PM

FIFY

Aviator on November 13, 2009 at 3:02 PM

.

If you are incapable of Dazzling ‘em with Brilliance; Baffle ‘em with Bull$hit! -Barackus Hubris Maximus et.al.

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SilverStar830 on November 13, 2009 at 3:06 PM

So the fraud-infested total is 690,000 jobs created or saved. That’s still 310,000 short of the million that Obama is claiming.

They can’t fake their fake numbers up to the fake level that Obama is claiming? They’re not only criminals, they’re clumsy criminals.

hawksruleva on November 13, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Obama should claim all Government jobs were saved. They have done that for other jobs by saying the money that was going to the different places for years were suddenly Stimulus money.

WoosterOh on November 13, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Here’s an $83,000 award to Toro that generated only 4.4 jobs:

Wassssup?

FreakyBoy on November 13, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Oh, and as a former Toro employee and husband of a current Toro employee, I would like to thank all of you who bought this Toro product with your tax dollars. Still trying to figure out where the 50 jobs came in though…

Major Nuisance on November 13, 2009 at 2:31 PM

How many people did Toro hire this year? Or, as Obama would ask it; how many people did Toro NOT FIRE this year?

hawksruleva on November 13, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Aviator ‘heavy equipment operators’ LMAO

A backhoe and a couple of steamrollers ought to do it.

MaiDee on November 13, 2009 at 3:11 PM

“So with 15 minutes to go before the reporting deadline, she sent in her answer: nine jobs, because her father helped nine members of the Corps to work.”

A perfect example of the administrations habit of, “Don’t ask…just tell.”
It doesn’t matter if it’s a lie, as long as it’s a lie that benefits the Won.

Army Brat on November 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM

I would venture a guess that not a single job has been created. Starting a business and hiring people creates jobs. Putting people to work for a few days is not creating a job.

vegasguy on November 13, 2009 at 3:56 PM

So, you can’t leave it blank…I get why they did that. That doesn’t mean you can’t put a zero in there.

James on November 13, 2009 at 4:26 PM

In Fayetteville, the government website claimed that the sale of a single lawnmower saved 50 jobs

But it was a special lawnmower.

BDU-33 on November 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM

What is happening here — besides out-and-out fraud and lying — reminds me in a perverse sense of a business in which I once worked.

Our product sold for $1/unit and we made 100 million units per year. The competition was hammering us on cost. Our marketing folks decided we’d compete with them on price by boosting production and selling these additional units at “incremental cost”.

Within six months it was apparent this strategy was hurting our market share and (miniscule) profits but marketing wouldn’t relinquish the strategy. So I cynically suggested that in the coming year we sell all but the first unit produced on the “incremental cost” basis. If we priced the first unit by loading on it all the “true costs” that typically were spread out over 100 million units then surely we’d make a killing.

All we needed was a willing customer upon whom we could unload that first unit with its $100,000,000 price tag. Marketing wasn’t amused. The business shortly thereafter died a merciful death.

It appears that the Porkulus Package is widely infested with similar overpriced first units.

ya2daup on November 13, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Ok, Dems, here’s the plan:

We need to give the illegals immediate stimulus money with a subsidy to Western Union to send it home, free bus rides to and from the border with extra luggage space sealed from law enforcement dogs, health insurance and free housing and ‘culture sensitive’ public and private education and community review of local police and businesses. Then we should give them all the affirmative action, set asides and other nonsense for their next 10 generations (or 150 years, we have a precedent) while they grace our shores.

I actually thought that this woman was smarter than she is acting.

IlikedAUH2O on November 13, 2009 at 5:25 PM

How many people did Toro hire this year? Or, as Obama would ask it; how many people did Toro NOT FIRE this year?

hawksruleva on November 13, 2009 at 3:09 PM

If I recall correctly, Toro eliminated about 150 good paying white collar jobs at their HQ in Bloomington, MN. I guess according to Obama, it would have been 200. Good thing they bought that mower.

Major Nuisance on November 13, 2009 at 5:46 PM

Fraudulent by design.

Socratease on November 13, 2009 at 8:08 PM