* adjective: afflicted with or characteristic of mental derangement

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* adjective: very foolish

Example: “Took insane risks with his eternal life”

Keep quoting, you’re still not making any sense.

“go not beyond what is written”

“Go not beyond what is written.”

“Go not beyond what is written.”

Don’t you feel kind of foolish running from that one little verse?

Offend doesn’t mean what you think it means. Especially not in Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek.

“GO NOT BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN” you seem so hell bent on following what you think is the word and then you blatantly ignore this direct and simple command. I wonder why?

By twisting and perverted and interpreting for your own ends, it’s more appropriate for you to be considered the one mocking.

“Go not beyond what is written”, apacalyps. It’s comical now that you’re so afraid of this verse that you haven’t be able to address it and have avoided it at all costs. It’s pretty obvious to the outside observer why you’re doing this.

I’ve seen few to equal your hubris and dishonesty, apacalyps.

More than anything, I’m just having fun.

I do however find it fascinating the lengths people will go to in order to square what they want scripture to say with what is actually says. Further, I am also very interested in how people misinterpret dogma for actual scriptural instructions.

But mostly just for fun.

Apacalyps,

Come on man, that wasn’t even an attempt to address “go not beyond what is written”.

Let’s hear it, square up “go not beyond what is written” with what you’ve done. At least try.

(there is a) difference between lust in the mind (thought) and lust in the heart (intent),

Bizarro No. 1 on November 20, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Bizarro, there is freedom from masturbation. You don’t have to live in that sin. Thank you.

You have a problem with masturbation too?

apacalyps on November 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM

LOL you moronic pipsqueak, the only problem I have with masturbation is when religious nutcases like you, who are incapable of understanding the significance of the difference between lust in the mind (thought) and lust in the heart (intent), spout off about it and think God cares about the issue the same way you.

A weirdo like you probably believes that people who have wet dreams are sinning in their unconsciousnesses! Go away now, back under the rock from whence you came, you dork!

Jason, I’ve still been following this thread, ..I see and respect your efforts,

Bizarro No. 1 on November 20, 2009 at 8:45 PM

You have a problem with masturbation too?

I see and respect your efforts, but I can’t think of a more appropriate time to bring up, “don’t cast your pearls before swine…” Can you?

“Go not beyond what is written” I think I’ve shown beyond any shadow of a doubt that you’ve done just that.

Jason Coleman on November 20, 2009 at 5:14 PM

You haven’t proven that I’m wrong. And you certainly haven’t proven the Bible wrong. The only thing you have proven is that you are a liar and a coward who doesn’t admit when you are wrong. That’s all you’ve done. That’s all you’ve accomplished.

I’m sure I do “misunderstand” scripture in your mind

You know, the Bible warned us that was going to happen. It says in 2 Peter 3:3, “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts.” It says they are going to walk after their own lusts. And that is exactly what you’re doing. You are a scoffer walking after your own lusts arguing that masturbation is not a sin.

because according to you, scripture doesn’t have to be taken in context, we don’t have to pay attention to what words actually mean

I asked you for an example where you don’t have to lust to masturbate? You never supplied one. Know why? Because you can’t find one. You claim that people masturbate without lusting without a shred of evidence. Try arguing your case before the judge without any evidence. See what happens. They’ll throw you out of the courtroom. Bottom line: People masturbate because it is a passion of lust. So don’t tell me there’s no lust involved. Don’t tell me your doing it for the glory of God. You’re doing it because of lust! You’re doing it because you don’t have self control! You know one of the things Paul really presses upon Timothy? Presses upon Titus? Presses upon these men — these young men? “Flee youthful lusts” (2 Timothy 2:22). Be self controlled. It’s a self control issue. And I’ll tell you this, if you’re burning with sexual passion get married. God doesn’t give you an outlet with masturbation. He says get married. Be self disciplined, and if you can’t control yourself get married. There’s no other. That’s the only two. You stay single and pure, control your bodies in holiness and in honour, or get married and the outlet for that is the marriage bed. You know what Scripture says in Romans 6:13, “Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.” Is there anybody who thinks that presenting your sexual organs to God in masturbation is righteous! Anybody think that’s presenting your members to God!

Listen Jason, I’ve debated a lot of people and people are like puzzles. Sometimes it takes time to figure them out –and I’ve solved the puzzle that you are. You have NOT defeated the word of God with your lies and avoidance of the obvious, you have only condemned yourself! God’s wrath abides on you Jason like a dark cloud, and when you die in your sins you will go to hell. Masturbation is a sin whether you belive it is or not. God is gonna punish thieves, and liars, blasphemers, fornicators. Someone who’s had sex out of marriage and adulterers. You need to repent of your sins and put your faith or trust alone in Jesus Christ. Save yourself before time runs out. Thank you.

“Go not beyond what is written” I think I’ve shown beyond any shadow of a doubt that you’ve done just that.

I’m sure I do “misunderstand” scripture in your mind, because according to you, scripture doesn’t have to be taken in context, we don’t have to pay attention to what words actually mean and if we want to just say something is something even if it’s not, we can.

Again, you just can’t bring yourself to address it, can you.

“Go not beyond what is written.”

Simply not true, you don’t have to lust after someone to masturbate.

Jason Coleman on November 19, 2009 at 8:39 PM

I want an example where you don’t have to lust to masturbate. You haven’t given one. And not that silly illustration about waking up with an erection because of a full bladder, lol. And by the way, masturbation is still a sin whether lust is involved or not. I gave you several examples in Scripture to support that. Each one of us needs to control his own body in holiness and honour. The Bible says we are responsible for the actions of our flesh, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.” 2 Corinthians 5:10

Don’t worry about my afterlife. All I have to do is ask for forgiveness and I’ll be fine if I’m wrong about what is or isn’t out there.

Jason Coleman on November 20, 2009 at 6:26 AM

Another misunderstanding of Scripture.

Knocking down morning wood is VERY well documented and has nothing to do with lusts and arousal via sexual thoughts.

Jason Coleman on November 20, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Show me the documentation.

The erection is a response by your unconscious to prevent you from pissing all over yourself in your sleep.

That is your body doing what it’s supposed to do to prevent you from wetting your bed when you are asleep. When you have a full bladder during sleep the body reacts with an erection to hold the urine in your bladder — this is a natural thing. What does it have to do with masturbating? Are you saying people like masturbating with a full bladder? Are you saying people like having sex when it feels like they are going to wet their pants? I hope not. That’d be either ignorant or lying. What’s really happening is when people wake up in the morning (or whenever) with an erection and a full bladder they first go empty their bladder. Afterwards then think, “Hey! Maybe I should do something with this. I’m feeling a little frisky.” They want sex and are seeking to fufill that desire without being married, which is a sin. So don’t tell me there’s no lust involved. Don’t tell me your doing it for the glory of God. You’re doing it because of lust. You’re doing it because you don’t have self control.

HAHAHAHA

Jason Coleman on November 20, 2009 at 6:26 AM

I should have gone a long time ago, but this breaks my heart. Your mind is so hardened that it has become reprobate, and the Bible warned about this in Romans 1:18-28. This is the result when you continue to rebel and carry on with your sin, violating your own conscience.

You state masturbation is sin.

I’m making a mistake trying to reason with a reprobate, but I wanna see how far gone you are. I’m gonna dumb this down for you OK, Jason. We’ll look at it from a different angle. The Bible says the only sex that is allowed is sex within the marriage. Masturbation is sex with yourself. Therefore, masturbation is a sin. It falls under the category of adultery and fornication (Hebrew 13:4). Paul says if you’re burning with sexual desires let a man take a wife:

“I say therefore to the unmarried and widows (everyone not married), it is good for them if they abide even as I (good to stay single). But if they cannot contain (refrain from having sex), let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:” 1 Corinthians 7

That’s it. That is it. If they cannot exercise self-control they should marry. So there is only one way. There is only one way that God advocates. That’s in marriage.

I’ll ask you again. You get it now?

Come on now, it’s almost comical how you bend over backwards to avoid confronting that one simple verse.

“Go not beyond what is written.”

Don’t worry about my afterlife. All I have to do is ask for forgiveness and I’ll be fine if I’m wrong about what is or isn’t out there.

You have a much bigger problem. Here you are, confronted by very simple and easy decisions, and rather than face scripture, you have to misrepresent what is written by substituting your own maniacal twist on it.

Once again, as simple as one can make it:

The Bible states masturbation is unclean.
The Bible states that unclean and sin are different.
The Bible says to “go not beyond what is written.”

You state masturbation is sin.
You state that unclean and sin are the same.
You go beyond what is written.