Quotes of the day
posted at 10:10 pm on November 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
“Please spare us talk of the ‘rule of law.’ If that was the primary consideration, the U.S. already has a judicial process in place. The current special military tribunals were created by the 2006 Military Commissions Act, which was adopted with bipartisan Congressional support after the Supreme Court’s Hamdan decision obliged the executive and legislative branches to approve a detailed plan to prosecute the illegal ‘enemy combatants’ captured since 9/11.
“Contrary to liberal myth, military tribunals aren’t a break with 200-plus years of American jurisprudence. Eight Nazis who snuck into the U.S. in June 1942 were tried by a similar court and most were hanged within two months. Before the Obama Administration stopped all proceedings earlier this year pending yesterday’s decision, the tribunals at Gitmo had earned a reputation for fairness and independence…
“Most Americans, we suspect, can overlook the legal niceties and see this episode through the lens of common sense. Foreign terrorists who wage war on America and everything it stands for have no place sitting in a court of law born of the values they so detest. Mr. Holder has honored mass murder by treating it like any other crime.”
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If this was such a great decision Why in Hades was Der Leader in Asia?? I’m calling him what he is..Chicken Sh!t.
Dire Straits on November 13, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Obama – destroying America one dick move at a time.
Zorg on November 13, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Is Obama a brilliant Marxist strategist, a blowhard Sophist with an agenda, or an aloof “leader” who likes doing what he does best… give speeches?
mjbrooks3 on November 13, 2009 at 11:24 PM
You are too kind. I would call it a pussy move.
proudteadrinker on November 13, 2009 at 11:24 PM
I knew Obama was this dumb. What amazes me is that his handlers didn’t deflect him away from this stupidity. This decision had to come from the top. Maybe I’m wrong, but I see a backlash on this one unlike any we have seen before.
Meremortal on November 13, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Tone deaf and blinded by anger that has been boiling for many years. I agree it won’t go over well so it will be interesting to see what happens when the onslaught of negative polling hits next week and his approval ratings take a dive. He can’t recover from this one.
sherry on November 13, 2009 at 11:24 PM
this is a smokescreen…napalitano also announced that the administration was going to give amnesty to 14 million illegals…they’re trying to take our eye off the ball…remember the christmas present that nancy piglosi promised us…they’re distractions albeit good ones…
Liberty 5-3000 on November 13, 2009 at 11:25 PM
It is as if liberals are arguing that the best way to display to the world our superior American virtues is to give KSM a fair trial in a civilian court with a predetermined outcome.
The outcome, they assure us, is indeed predetermined: ‘No way KSM could not be found guilty and eventually put to death.’
Seems strange. If the outcome is already known, what is the point of the trial? And how would such a trial be fair? Doesn’t seem to be such a great display of our superior American moral code to me.
DarkKnight3565 on November 13, 2009 at 11:26 PM
B Man on November 13, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Every non-sequestered juror will be susceptible to intimidation. I foresee threats to family members. The trial of KSM will likely take a year. The jury will not be sequestered throughout. There is plenty of time for mischief. The state may not get a fair trial.
Basilsbest on November 13, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Will we be in the midst of these trials during the run up to the 2012 election?
d1carter on November 13, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Obama is a rare creature, an incompetent Marxist even whose dumb moves and stupid mistakes lead to a glorious and wondrous communist USSA>
Dhuka on November 13, 2009 at 11:28 PM
If I wanted to change laws in this country, this would be the way I would do it. Obama owns the prosecutors and the defense teams. Think of it: defense teams of enemy combatants have been very left leaning lawyers. DOJ is owned by Obama and Holder. Motions are made, rulings are made, law is set.
With a defense team making the right motion at the right time and DOJ responding a certain way rulings will be made a certain way. New laws are then set. Welcome to Transformation.
Sanmon on November 13, 2009 at 11:28 PM
The arrogance of the Obama administration is exceeded only by their stupidity.
Basilsbest on November 13, 2009 at 11:30 PM
This is going to bother as many or more people than the illegal immigration move.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 11:30 PM
He is intentionally destroying the country.
He is purposely fomenting civil war.
God help us.
Pray that the military remains true to America- we will need them in the very near future.
justltl on November 13, 2009 at 11:31 PM
Eric “The Coward” Holder has a despicable history with terrorists. Never forget his roll in the pardons of the FALN and Los Macheteros puerto rican terrorists, all 16 of them (I think that was the approximate number). Learn all the details of Eric “The Red’s” disgusting support for those murderers. Holder has a definite “legal” agenda/pattern that exposes his distain, not only of the laws of the land, but the American people also. How did this midget weasel zipper ever get tapped for positions in the Office of the Attorney General? And he kept getting promotioned too – right to the top! I’ve got quite a few really good guesses. Oh, and he even did some legal work for ex Illinois governor Hot Rod Blagojevich and the recently croaked (cause of death: aspirin and rat poison-sure) Christopher Kelly. Humm…… Eric’s got some really serious ‘splanin’ to do. Little Eric is part of the this administrations rot from within. This is another reason to vote every senator, who paved the way for The Red Coward to be the Attorney General, out of office. Birds of feather flock together.
MayorDaley on November 13, 2009 at 11:31 PM
I am afraid that we will get people on the jury like Olberman and Joyless Behar. She probably would want to see these extremist muslims get off just to embarass W. I wonder if she would have the guts to serve on a jury over this?
garydt on November 13, 2009 at 11:32 PM
conservatives—adjust your tactics.
think France WWII… before we got there.
we have them surrounded.
ted c on November 13, 2009 at 11:33 PM
I think you left out a branch of the government there.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 11:33 PM
I suspect that the Obamas and their co-conspirators will themselves be on trial at some point.
justltl on November 13, 2009 at 11:36 PM
gary:
Do you honestly think these people would live even if they were aquited? I don’t think so. In fact I think one of New York’s finest might have a hard time letting that happen. How many cops died that day?
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Get ready for New York turning into Beirut.
Ft. Hood was a foreshadowing of what will come during this trial. Every free-agent jihadi who wants his ticket to the 72 virgins punched will come out of the woodwork.
There will be hostages, murder and carnage.
And the Administration won’t be able to duck the role they played in bringing it about.
We are governed by fools.
Bruno Strozek on November 13, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Now that’s a metaphor.
hillbillyjim on November 13, 2009 at 11:39 PM
We are all wrong!! Geraldo just told O’Reilly the trial should be held in New York. Wonder if Geraldo will keep KSM in his house while on Trial??
PS… Where are our Trolls??? Seems like they would be here to defend Der Leader.
Dire Straits on November 13, 2009 at 11:39 PM
I don’t, who oversees the Judges?
Sanmon on November 13, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Sanmon:
At some point someone has to write the law.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 11:41 PM
The “bend over backwards to give every possible benefit to the accused” mentality of the Warren court planted the seed which yields this fruit.
“Guilty as sin, but free as a bird”, reportedly crowed one Bill Ayers, a beneficiary of this version of justice. One Orenthal Julius Simpson, with the help of the best defense money could buy, managed to turn the trial of himself for murder into the trial of the LAPD for racism.
We have a group of avowed enemies of the United States who plotted to murder thousands of Americans, and who would gladly do so again. They kicked off a war that killed thousands more and rejoice over it.
By using our own overly compassionate attitude toward criminals instead of victims against us, it appears that the best team of defense lawyers oil money can buy will use every trick in the book to see that they walk free.
This must be the new strategy in the War on Terror: to make our enemies laugh themselves sick.
Confutus on November 13, 2009 at 11:42 PM
We can only hope the Mussolini protocols will be in effect…….
dmann on November 13, 2009 at 11:43 PM
Where are the trolls? Are they going ballistic on the Prejean threads but not here?
Bishop on November 13, 2009 at 11:43 PM
I agree with you Terrye, but I serious doubts about some of the media types would want to convict these vermin. Joyless is clueless about our national security as well as Keith Olberman. I also they would be scared shi_____s if they had to serve on the trial.
garydt on November 13, 2009 at 11:44 PM
It is called setting precedents, many laws are formed this way.
Sanmon on November 13, 2009 at 11:44 PM
And if Obama tries to prosecute said hypothetical cop, a national hero, he’s going to have to slink out of the country and live out the remainder of his days in exile.
FloatingRock on November 13, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Well said, Confutus.
By the way, how do you pronounce your handle? It sounds like maybe it should be the eighth word on Carlin’s list.
Welcome.
hillbillyjim on November 13, 2009 at 11:47 PM
Sanman:
I get your meaning, I just think you are oversimplifying things.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 11:50 PM
gary:
I doubt they will be on the jury..but who will be?
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 11:51 PM
Good advice -thanks! I actually cried when we got to our 1st TEA Party…I thought I was alone…until I saw thousands of people! Now I drag my family, friends, and as many teenagers as I can, to area TEA events. Protest with a purpose – it is awesome. Go!
redwhiteblue on November 13, 2009 at 11:51 PM
I’m wondering the same thing. Remember when Getalife would always say that “The Adult’s are in Charge”.
Dire Straits on November 13, 2009 at 11:51 PM
True.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 11:52 PM
I doubt they would be on the jury too but their comrades in arms might be. Muslims living in NYC and other leftists could and and serve and raise havoc. This is terrible and I hope the AG changes his mind.
garydt on November 13, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Of course I am over simplifying. I am not writing for the Yale Law review like Harold Koh did when he laid this out before joining the Obama administration.
Sanmon on November 13, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Sanmon:
Okay then.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Here is part of Palin’s latest Facebook post….I love the last three lines…..
It is crucially important that Americans be made aware that the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks may walk away from this trial without receiving just punishment because of a “hung jury” or from any variety of court room technicalities. If we are stuck with this terrible Obama Administration decision, I, like most Americans, hope that Mohammed and his co-conspirators are convicted. Hang ‘em high.
Oh to have someone in the Oval Office that is willing to DEFEND AMERICA!!!!
A prayer for Obama….
Psalms 109:8
Let his days be few; Let another take his office.
PappyD61 on November 13, 2009 at 11:56 PM
I think Obama looks at this as a win-win for himself and his political philosophy. Out of the trials, he gets two possible outcomes:
1) KSM and others are convicted. Win for anti-terrorism. BUT, during the trial, Bush and others are dragged through the mud resulting in propaganda for the libs. In addition, in order to achieve a conviction, the what, where, why, and how of intelligence gathering techniques are revealed — resulting in a win for Obama’s other buddies, those who revile and hate the US OR
2) KSM and others are acquitted. As someone else pointed out, Obama can’t let KSM walk, so he’s going to have to over-rule the judiciary and/or go around its decision. This will occur with the approval of the majority of the American people — some of whom will point out that this was foolish to begin with, but will still support whatever legal shenanigans are used to make sure KSM. Actually, I think this is the outcome Obama and the statists in his administration would prefer. He gets to set a precedent for setting aside a judicial decsion, for putting someone in double jeopardy, and essentially subverting the American legal system. He will do this with the approval of the majority of the American people because of the situation. But, once the precedent is set, it sets him up for other such abrogations, a little at a time, thereby eventually relegating the Constitution to an “interesting historical document” that served well in its day, but is no longer relevant in our more complex, advanced society. Obama gets the other wins stated above in addition.
The cynical part of me wouldn’t be surprised if they set conditions up for decision 2 because they benefit more from it.
AZfederalist on November 13, 2009 at 11:03 PM
+1000 AZ, you should be part of whatever team is going to go for POS in 2012. We are in serious trouble, and by the content of this post, you know what they are up to and can see around corners.
tigerlily on November 13, 2009 at 11:56 PM
Confutus. Rhymes with Locutus (of Borg).
Confutus on November 13, 2009 at 11:57 PM
gary:
I doubt if Holder will change his mind. There are all sorts of people living in NYC, that is true. But remember, 343 Firefighters and 72 police officers died that day. They lived there too.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Obama’s jihad against America.
Mojave Mark on November 13, 2009 at 11:58 PM
If the terrorists had received a military trial, would Obama have been the one who would have to sign a death-penalty order?
redwhiteblue on November 14, 2009 at 12:00 AM
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/holder_conflict_of_interest_OW5H1WOvXCkQadaLMSO3OO#ixzz0Wo5x6EMT
Sanmon on November 14, 2009 at 12:03 AM
I made this in anticipation that they would be:
Obamalini.
justltl on November 14, 2009 at 12:03 AM
Someone correct me if I’m wrong…Didn’t it take FOUR YEARS to convict Moussaoui the twentieth hijacker. Do we really need to put New York City through this??
Dire Straits on November 14, 2009 at 12:04 AM
And another one, since someone mentioned Locutus of Borg:
Obumus
justltl on November 14, 2009 at 12:07 AM
Yes but expect this to take 10 years.
Sanmon on November 14, 2009 at 12:07 AM
It did take a long time and the man was pretty much off his rocker by the time it was over.
Terrye on November 14, 2009 at 12:08 AM
Ahhh, but it didn’t pass with RADICAL LEFT WING SUPPORT. And Obama IS the radical left wing.
American Elephant on November 14, 2009 at 12:12 AM
I can’t believe that my last attempt at posting wouldn’t go through.
All it had was a mention of the seven words you can’t say on the air…
hillbillyjim on November 14, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Is there any possible way this plays well for Democrats in 2010?
Oh wait, the stupid party.
:/
aikidoka on November 14, 2009 at 12:20 AM
Forgive my re-post, but I really do wonder about this. Is it possible, given his refusal to identify the Ft. Hood shooter as a terrorist, that Obama is not willing, or able, to put some people to death? It might explain the bow. And so much more. I’m just wondering.
redwhiteblue on November 14, 2009 at 12:20 AM
I hate Obama more than anyone but you two are batsh*t crazy.
If KSM is acquitted BO is a worldwide laughing stock.
Basilsbest on November 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM
I was thinking that just for fun I’d try to defend/explain Obama’s action here — but I’m just totally stumped.
Can he really think he knows how this will play out? The uncertainties are boundless, the dangers real.
Their announced confidence in a conviction is so breathtakingly ignorant because conviction isn’t the main issue — it’s safety. Besides, if they’re doing this to demonstrate America’s “fairness” then STFU about how sure you are of a conviction.
You’d think they would have thought through the possibilities before making this step but it’s pretty obvious that they haven’t.
I think about how hot and incredulous I am about this but I live a thousand miles from NY — the locals must be flipping out. I guess the celebration over the Yankees is history.
The only idea I have in his 0′s defense is that he may know something we don’t. Is there anything that anyone can imagine that could explain this?
Pythagoras on November 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM
This is nothing more than a circus to make Chaney Bush and CIA look bad. And I think it backfires bigtime.
Dire Straits on November 14, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Hang em high… That’s not very diverse and mutually respectfully understanding of her.
She is SO out of step with elites, damn woman.
/
B Man on November 14, 2009 at 12:24 AM
The part about “once people get reminded what KSM did” makes me think that this whle thing will backfire on Obama. People have been falling into a 9/10 mentality, this will remind thjem of 9/11. Preople have forgoteen that they liked Bush (he had a 90% approbval rating after 9/11), this will remind them why they did. People are already missing Bush due to O’s failures up til now, I can only imagine what they’ll feel after this. Cheney’s approval rating has already climbed.
Hey, O, bring it. Americans are already angered at just the thought of a federal trial for KSM and your poll numbers will fall because of that alone; but when people see this show on TV everyday, are reminded of 9/11 and what they liked about Bush, your numbers will tank. Go ahead, make my day.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on November 14, 2009 at 12:25 AM
Barry just put a target on the Sears Tower.
And Coit Tower.
And any skyscraper in America.
Thanks for that, Judas.
omnipotent on November 14, 2009 at 12:25 AM
Thats just icing on the cake. This is about changing laws in this country.
Sanmon on November 14, 2009 at 12:27 AM
Will the MSM start to show the Americans (and others) jumping from the World Trade Center on 9/11 to their deaths to avoid the flames caused by these Muslim animals?
(crickets)
omnipotent on November 14, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Remember the mantra that “Bush is dumb?”
Obama is stupid on steroids…
shorebird on November 14, 2009 at 12:29 AM
We are seeing the “terminal phase” of Bush Derangement Syndrome.
The motivation is to put Bush/Cheney on trial in abstentia.
Bruno Strozek on November 14, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Sorry for the typos… would you believe I even previewed it? I was typing fast since my first attempt was eaten by my computer and I didn’t want to forget what I wrote.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on November 14, 2009 at 12:29 AM
This thread makes me think of when getalife used to post endlessly about how horrible Gitmo was and torture, so on. So glad she’s gone!
NathanG on November 14, 2009 at 12:33 AM
Good screen name. The rwb family loves Narnia — especially Aslan! :)
redwhiteblue on November 14, 2009 at 12:33 AM
This administration is spiraling in, and POTUS is asking for more throttle!
2ipa on November 14, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Welcome back to September 10, 2001. If you all think Obie is going to send 40,000 more troops to Afgan region I want some of what you are smoking.
Dire Straits on November 14, 2009 at 12:35 AM
For almost a year now, the ((pressure)) has been kept on and on. It’s a real shame the MSM does such a lousy job of extrapolating the consequences of this administrations actions…they have no heart or they have no brain, tragic.
Alinsky on November 14, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Thanks! I’ve been a Narnian since I was eight, and I’ve probably read the series 20 or more times. Made my nephews Narnians, too :) Always nice to meet another!
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on November 14, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Confutus, Pythagoras, and Alinsky, all on the same thread?
Not to mention that Allahpundit fellow…
This is some heady stuff.
hillbillyjim on November 14, 2009 at 12:42 AM
Once they are on US soil, what can stop them from sueing the US government?
We might be attempting to prosecute them for crimes, but their claims could be unrelated to that.
I wonder if this is Holdren’s plan? His old law firm will be involved in all of these proceedings.
Freddy on November 14, 2009 at 12:44 AM
I was just thinking about how unpleasant the Carter years were. The misery index was very real, but I don’t remember feeling like Jimmy hated America…he just had wrong ideas and was naive and clueless about how to govern and lead America. He was a fool, but America overcame! This time, it’s different. There is an obvious hatred for America coming from Obama & Company. As I read & listen to everyone trying to justify or figure out whether Obama is doing this intentionally or if he is simply a fool, I find myself praying harder than I ever have before…please let him just be a fool.
redwhiteblue on November 14, 2009 at 12:49 AM
I can’t fathom the level of cowardice and the level of cynicism that exists in the Obama administration.
Waiting until Obama is half a world away to roll this out on a Friday is the latest example of gutlessness demonstrated by Obama.
I realize that 35% of the country is intent on running off the cliff with him, but I’m praying that by March 1 the remaining 65% is screaming for his figurative head.
BuckeyeSam on November 14, 2009 at 12:52 AM
If only we were that lucky.
Alinsky on November 14, 2009 at 12:54 AM
No, he makes the US a world-wide laughing stock by showing how our justice system can be so easily subverted. He then rescues *his* image both at home and abroad by “not letting such an abuse stand”. The rest of the world is pretty much already statist, so they nod sagely and agree with him, he only alienates those who already like us and whom he cannot stand.
/Yeah, I wish this was a crazy theory — I want to be proven wrong. His actions thus far don’t support such a happy conclusion however.
AZfederalist on November 14, 2009 at 12:54 AM
I have read all these posts, and the real concern to me is not the travesty of kangaroo trials, it is that it is now plainly obvious to our enemies that this president is clearly out of his league, unable to make decisions, dithers, and extremely immature under pressure.
If the rogue nations start to increase the mischief on a concerted basis, we are in big trouble.
Starlink on November 14, 2009 at 12:57 AM
Not from their point of view. O will blame Boosh/Cheney for not mirandizing the $#!&head, and they will chalk it up to “open hand…hearts, and minds” and pat themselves on the back for improving our world image. The world will know it is due to lack of brass ones, but the Obamanatons will delude themselves.
Laura in Maryland on November 14, 2009 at 1:00 AM
Small potatoes really.
PootyPoot on November 14, 2009 at 1:01 AM
Know when you have the upper hand?? When the trolls totally dodge a thread/blog post. Seems to me that they can’t even defend Obie and his crew. But boy they can sure beat up on Carrie Prejean. This speaks volumes.
Dire Straits on November 14, 2009 at 1:07 AM
Barack Obama is just playing the fool, the fop, the nitwit to lull all of America’s enemies into a false sense of security and I must say he is a very fine actor.
He is acting, isn’t he?
PercyB on November 14, 2009 at 1:07 AM
Yo Allah,
Make this a thread bro.
Lindsey Graham Censured By SC GOP
H/T: Ace
Geochelone on November 14, 2009 at 1:09 AM
Scary sh!t. You start to think about Russia/former satellites, China/Taiwan, NoKo/ SoKo, Iran/everywhere and mix in some Al-Qaeda all going off at once? Maybe those damn Mayans knew something…
2ipa on November 14, 2009 at 1:11 AM
On the Miranda theme, I think that would be the best possible outcome: the judge just throwing the case out on the first day. In a perfect world, he could even say explicitly “this court has no authority to try this case.”
There’s no way KSM makes it all the way through to a guilty verdict anyway, not without the trial being reduced to a farce that the Left, which has collectively been reduced to a one-track-mind on how it perceives state-sanctioned punishment, could (rightfully) decry as a disgrace. This would just further drag us down the road of effete navel-gazing in the face of an existential enemy, as if the findings of a US court have (or have ever) been concerned with factual reality rather than protecting the citizen-defendant’s benefit of the doubt.
HitNRun on November 14, 2009 at 1:11 AM
Just another glaring example of the democrats displaying once again that they don’t believe that 9/11 was an act of war.
They are running as fast as they can back to their 9/10 mentality and the failures of the Clinton administration.
This comes on the heels of a major terrorist attack on our soil at Ft. Hood and Obama laying the ground work for retreat in Afghanistan.
Not to mention the bit#h slapping Mr. 57 states is getting from Russia,N. Korea, and Iran.
Obama will be in front of his teleprompter telling America how “tough he is on terrorism” and it will look as ignorant and dishonest as him claiming the stimulus is working.
That’s some real “smart power” you liberals have instituted in the “hope and change” era.
Baxter Greene on November 14, 2009 at 1:16 AM
We cannot all be hillbillyjim, after all.
hillbillyjim on November 14, 2009 at 1:23 AM
Very good, it’s about time the people sending these RINOs to Congress start yanking on their leashes.
Apparently bothers the libs some, they’ve got some trolls on that link predicting the demise of the Republican party because of these “purges”.
AZfederalist on November 14, 2009 at 1:24 AM
To hell with Lillyliver Lindsey Graham and the rest of the weak-kneed pretenders.
Getting along for the sake of getting along is not only a sign of weakness and lack of moral fiber; it is a guaranteed blueprint for failure.
The good people of this nation deserve better than this kind of lame “leadership”.
hillbillyjim on November 14, 2009 at 1:38 AM
Except the days be shortened there would be no flesh saved – Bible, look it up.
will sass u on November 14, 2009 at 1:56 AM
I’m convinced that after Barry’s first full day on the job, he went to bed telling Wheezie that he knew he was totally f***ed because he knew that he had to actually make decisions and couldn’t spend the next four years simply giving speeches. He’s been trying ever since to duck his responsibilities and hide behind TOTUS. Barry knew he was in over his head and now doesn’t know how to handle it.
Fed45 on November 14, 2009 at 2:01 AM
As Kramer would say: “Ohhhh Yeah!!!!” This has to have Al-Qaeda dancing in the street! “Wait! You mean if we fly planes into buildings the worst that’s going to happen to us is being run through the U.S. criminal justice system? Ooooo. We’re so scared! We better change our strategy”
Fed45 on November 14, 2009 at 2:08 AM
KSM isn’t being put on trial – America is.
This “trial” is meant to show Americans the reason why you deserve to be hit by terrorism – allowing Obama to totally submit, as a penance to the Islamic world.
OldEnglish on November 14, 2009 at 2:11 AM
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