Quotes of the day
posted at 10:10 pm on November 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
“Please spare us talk of the ‘rule of law.’ If that was the primary consideration, the U.S. already has a judicial process in place. The current special military tribunals were created by the 2006 Military Commissions Act, which was adopted with bipartisan Congressional support after the Supreme Court’s Hamdan decision obliged the executive and legislative branches to approve a detailed plan to prosecute the illegal ‘enemy combatants’ captured since 9/11.
“Contrary to liberal myth, military tribunals aren’t a break with 200-plus years of American jurisprudence. Eight Nazis who snuck into the U.S. in June 1942 were tried by a similar court and most were hanged within two months. Before the Obama Administration stopped all proceedings earlier this year pending yesterday’s decision, the tribunals at Gitmo had earned a reputation for fairness and independence…
“Most Americans, we suspect, can overlook the legal niceties and see this episode through the lens of common sense. Foreign terrorists who wage war on America and everything it stands for have no place sitting in a court of law born of the values they so detest. Mr. Holder has honored mass murder by treating it like any other crime.”
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I watched this earlier.
Charles was thoroughly disgusted.
NeoKong on November 13, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Still crying tears of joy over Obama’s election now CK?
You really are good…the best…but I still have a hard time with criticizing Obama’s actions, but never blaming Obama for them. Holder is a scum-bag…yes, but so is his master.
AUINSC on November 13, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Dr K is spot on….you’re either a criminal or a terrorist…
cmsinaz on November 13, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Nice clip. Rush was on fire about this today, also.
What comes after Waterloo?
Spirit of 1776 on November 13, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Every time I think 0bama has hit rock bottom, he digs through to find a new low.
This particular low, is one shovelful short of hell.
Rebar on November 13, 2009 at 10:18 PM
I can’t see Der Leader’s approval ratings staying above 50% now.
Dire Straits on November 13, 2009 at 10:18 PM
I mean ‘you still have a hard time’…damn, I wish we could edit comments to correct our dumb mistakes.
AUINSC on November 13, 2009 at 10:18 PM
As crazy as this move makes me, I have to ask….why didn’t W dispatch these folks before he left office?
Cindy Munford on November 13, 2009 at 10:18 PM
It’s the new world order./President of the world.
OldEnglish on November 13, 2009 at 10:19 PM
+ 1. I am amazed at this and mad also.
Dire Straits on November 13, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Screw New York.
Towers fall. It happens. Get over it.
Mr. Joe on November 13, 2009 at 10:20 PM
***Off Topic Alert***
I was just thinking that we are totally gonna need to assemble the conservative justice league to take on Obama in 2012. It will be like a final showdown. I see John Stossel and Sarah Palin as Prez and VP with Ron Paul, Michelle Bachman, Tony Robbins, and Pat Buchanan as secretaries of Treasury, HUD, State, and Defense – respectively. What say ye?
abobo on November 13, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Zero and his gang can put another nail in the coffin he has spent his whole life building for our country and its values, rules of discovery, etc. Plus it is a coward’s ploy to put W on trial. Lord help us all.
bbz123 on November 13, 2009 at 10:20 PM
I hope you are being sarcastic. If you are being sarcastic….you should be more careful on how you use snark.
terryannonline on November 13, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Is there anyone anywhere that can defend this idiocy one tenth as well as the those who oppose it?
fourdeucer on November 13, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Elba?
Count to 10 on November 13, 2009 at 10:22 PM
it is totally disgusting that they are going to give KSM rights like any other American…it absolutely makes my blood boil!
this has got to be the beginning of the end for dear leader
cmsinaz on November 13, 2009 at 10:23 PM
One of Obama’s first acts…
… a year wasted, just for his own political agenda.
I don’t think Obama really meant the part of the ‘Oath of Office’
Seven Percent Solution on November 13, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Any lefties that have the balls to wander through this comment page – please – give me some rationale for giving only a handful of these guys a civilian trial.
How is only giving civilian trials to the guys you know you can convict, and holding the rest in detention either indefinitely or sending them through a tribunal not the definition of a show trial?
BadgerHawk on November 13, 2009 at 10:24 PM
I guess we’ll just write this off as a desperate plea for attention.
anniekc on November 13, 2009 at 10:24 PM
There is nothing about this that makes any sense. Rudy was on Greta and he was on fire too.
I’m not sure even garden variety libs can support this blindly.
ORconservative on November 13, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Beyond incredible!
What was this community organizer thinking-if the mental process being employed at the time could even remotely be called thinking?
Amendment X on November 13, 2009 at 10:24 PM
I thought Glenn would hit on it tonight but his show was great.
fourdeucer on November 13, 2009 at 10:26 PM
America is merely another country./Obama.
OldEnglish on November 13, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Air Force One is ready for the trip :)
Spirit of 1776 on November 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Gonna be hard for Osama Obama to protect the USA against domestic enemies, since he’s one of them. Just sayin’….
MrScribbler on November 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM
He thought it was the “Oaf of Office”.
Patrick S on November 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Jumped the Shark on November 13, 2009
EricPWJohnson on November 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM
This is an absolute travesty.
I’m not sure how the process works and all, but can New York refuse to have the trials? I understand it’s a federal court, but do the states just have to go along with whatever the feds want?
AScott on November 13, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Cool. Perhaps they should pick up KSM at Gitmo on the way and drop him off in Bermuda….from about 30,000 ft.
Patrick S on November 13, 2009 at 10:29 PM
I dont see how this will make him popular.
the_nile on November 13, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Why is this necessary, to try KSM in New York? Why not a federal court in Nebraska (if at all)!
Some say Obama wants to prove that our justice system is the best in the world. No, what he wants is to undermine the system by forcing it to “live up to its rules”.
“What,” he would say, “You don’t think we can give him a fair trial? You think us incapable?”
Bear in mind that the goal of the Cloward Piven strategy was to create a crisis that lead to the the distribution of income.
GTR640 on November 13, 2009 at 10:30 PM
I saw this earlier and the entire panel thought it was insane, wrong, stupid, crazy….etc.
Charles is right, this is designed to insult the American people.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Times up….
dmann on November 13, 2009 at 10:30 PM
More evidence that Democrats care more about their political agenda than our national security. Democrats have always been weak on national defense.
pearson on November 13, 2009 at 10:30 PM
They can’t, and they know it. I’ve been trying to get some kind of answer all day. There’s nothing other than flat out partisan vitriol supporting this decision.
It’s like the administration’s stance on Honduras, only several orders of magnitude worse. I tried for weeks to get any of our lefties to provide some logical reasoning behind that position. They couldn’t then, and they can’t now.
But rather than admit it, they’ll stick to petty attacks on tangential points or avoid the thread completely.
BadgerHawk on November 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Look for Beck to go full bore Monday. Meanwhile MSNBC will take the Bush/Cheney attack mode when they are not bashing Carrie Prejean and Sarah Palin.
Dire Straits on November 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM
“A show trial” that minimizes terrorism and berates Bush is grotesque, and that’s exactly what Team Barry wants. Holding these trails in New York to embarrass Barry’s political predecessors and detractors, while simultaneously providing terrorists with ample legal means to suppress evidence, change venue, etc., is an unbridled dishonor to the 3000 Americans massacred on 9/11.
Barry should be tried for crimes against all humanity.
anXdem on November 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM
There is only one question worth asking about KSM. Why is he still alive?
pearson on November 13, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Exhile.
Hopefully.
Kenya’s a nice place… for the natives.
SilverStar830 on November 13, 2009 at 10:32 PM
It will make him popular wit that 20% that call themselves liberal and it will make him popular with the transnational anti American left. No wonder the Europeans like him. He is basically one of them.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 10:32 PM
I have to think this decision leads him to political exile. I mean, dude! Once people get reminded what KSM did, normal citizens shiver at giving him American civil rights. Makes NO sense.
Spirit of 1776 on November 13, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Obama is the perfect example of a passive aggressive.
B Man on November 13, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Hear, hear!
Claypigeon on November 13, 2009 at 10:37 PM
For those of you who are going to be killed by Obama’s reckless, childish, and ideological driven mentality that would have otherwise lived very long and fruitful lives…
… Do you at least want to ask these fools that after you are burned alive and ground into pulp, that your family has the right to sue the government for your untimely death?
Seven Percent Solution on November 13, 2009 at 10:38 PM
yeah now he has dug deep enough to find water. We’re in Mars now
proudteadrinker on November 13, 2009 at 10:39 PM
The only way for him to work it out is to save the economy, and by the looks he wont. And people will totally lose their approval of him and what he does playing around with terrorists and not fixing real jobs.
The “Bush did” card is consumed.
the_nile on November 13, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Sorry but had to fix that for you.
Dire Straits on November 13, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Every day brings something more outrageous.
If they keep up this pace, by someday in, say 2011, we will awaken to the news that Barry gave Michelle the original Constitution on which to wipe her ample butt.
justltl on November 13, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Why didn’t Pres. Bush have these guys executed while he was in office? Does everyone think that Congress would have blocked it?
Cindy Munford on November 13, 2009 at 10:45 PM
This Administration is throwing every wrench from the tool box into the machine — it started in 2006 with Palosi and Reid — Can’t Drill our way to Independence — But Hell Yes we can spend our way to it — And lets bring the Bad Guys to New York — That’s the Ticket –
wheels on November 13, 2009 at 10:45 PM
This is true. But I don’t think he can pull it off. He will be lucky if he can get the economy back to where it was when he got the job. The truth is Bush might be starting to look pretty good to some folks in the months ahead…maybe that is why Obama wants to enlist the aid of his terrorist buddies to trash the man in open court.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Considering what Bush had to go through just to get the Military Commission Act passed, yes, they would have blocked it.
Now, if he had just had them shot outright on the battlefield..
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Someone looking for attention; deserves the BOOT!
PaCadle on November 13, 2009 at 10:48 PM
They are determined to bring back up the torture stuff. It will do more damage, but it will change the subject.
And they really are miserable with the HCR discussion.
AnninCA on November 13, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Lawyers, they could screw up a wet dream.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 10:48 PM
The terrorists have a friend in the Kenyan idiot.
Hening on November 13, 2009 at 10:49 PM
I thought the same thing but then I don’t think Bush thought that BHO was totally insane at the time. Now we all know.
d1carter on November 13, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Just like ever before its nowhere near anything to do with jurisprudence, libs could give a crap less about KSM, health care or the health of the planet either, politics, pure
unadulterated politics.Bringing terrorists to US territory for circus trials puts every American they’ve ever come in contact with on the witch trials, witness stand, and under oath.
With every one of hundreds of opportunities to politicize, publicly expose and make demons out of CIA operatives, security officers, members of the last administration (Cheney?) anyone involved that could possibly fulfill the most rabid anti-American, radical liberal’s fondest desires.
Speakup on November 13, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Charles may want to leave the room. Palin weighed in on the decision this afternoon and I’m sure her wording will cause CK to further look down his nose at her. My favorite part of her post: HANG ‘EM HIGH.
yogi41 on November 13, 2009 at 10:49 PM
I won’t pretend that I know what goes on inside the head of a New York liberal, but one has to think that the horror of being in Manhattan that September morning will override their stupor.
What the terrorists were attacking were the very concepts that are enshrined in the document that Obama has just cloaked them in.
It is not an act of magnanimity to extend constitutional rights to enemy combatants – it is an act of folly.
As far as I am concerned, it is impossible for a domestic enemy of the United States to defend against a domestic enemy of the United States. The moment that he took that oath, he violated it.
turfmann on November 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM
It won’t. People don’t like this drama, and that’s all this is: unnecessary drama.
AnninCA on November 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM
I’d like to greet the return of Air Force One from Asia with a 21 straitjacket salute.
OBAMA IS SIMPLY MAD.
profitsbeard on November 13, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Ann:
Yes, I think that is the idea, but I am wondering how much damage it will do and who it will do it to. After the shooting at Fort Hood people might not be feeling all that concerned about what the CIA did to KSM and his friends. It will do more damage in that it will give the terrorists a theater in which to play out their nasty little drama. The propaganda for their ilk will be a real shot in the arm to AlQaida.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 10:51 PM
bad day
rob verdi on November 13, 2009 at 10:52 PM
This is outrageous and crazy–to people with common sense.
In Obama’s world and those who espouse these radical, socialist, ideological positions (include the MSM here)–this is their normal, their worldview, their default.
Unfortunately, we’ll all suffer as a result.
conservative pilgrim on November 13, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Here is a list of the federal judges (kack-asses?) who might try the case:
http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/judges.php?show=district
I guess we need to know their political inclinations, distantce under tio Colonials;
GTR640 on November 13, 2009 at 10:53 PM
sorry that was meant to be (jack-asses).
GTR640 on November 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM
If the CIA hasn’t gotten rid of all the tapes yet I hope they are on it. Does anyone think that someone will find a reason in this trial to release the rest of the Abu Gariab (sic?) pictures? I know it doesn’t have anything to do with these folks but the WH has been dying to get them out in the public. He needs something to remind folks that they were unhappy with Pres. Bush.
Cindy Munford on November 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM
“The idea of giving him the rights of an American citizen is absolutely unconscionable.”
Bingo.
The Ugly American on November 13, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Cindy:
I know that Obama wants to remind people that they were unhappy with Bush, but in the months following 9/11 Bush’s approval rating was almost 90%. Bringing the whole thing to Manhattan might also make people remember Bush standing on that pile of rubble with the blow horn in his hand. That is something Obama might not want them to think about.
As for the pics, who knows? But no one died at Abu Ghraib, the same can not be said for Ground Zero. Those are the pics the people will see. Who knows, maybe they will play scenes of that day, scenes of people jumping from the building.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Exile in St. Helena and then death, if you follow historical precedent.
Fallen Sparrow on November 13, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Hard to predict. I feel badly for New Yorkers, though. I take it that this court has dealt with some other cases. But still, the publicity will be hurtful.
AnninCA on November 13, 2009 at 11:01 PM
CK hits it on the head. How ghastly is it that this time it is our own President and Attorney General who have turned on us, and for nothing more than to throw red meat at their nuttiest political allies? It is infuriating.
evergreen on November 13, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Krauthammer is absolutely right. The sole purpose of trying KSM as a criminal in NYC is to put the Bush administration on a show trial to humiliate them. This is the most shameful conduct of a White House administration in history! Add to this gross misconduct the crapulus pro-corruption bill, the socialist health care bill, the takeovers of banking and automobile industries…it just gets worse and worse!
stonemeister on November 13, 2009 at 11:02 PM
“…and will to the BEST of my ability, PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES….”
Barack Hussein Obama (MMMMM, MMMMM, MMMMM) is guilty of TREASON and should be impeached and removed immediately from office.
I called our U.S. Senators and our House Rep and told them this (for the first time today)…..after his Terror Trial decision.
What is it going to take people before we realize that this man is trying to Destroy the Republic that our Founding Fathers fought and died for?
TREASON!!!!!
PappyD61 on November 13, 2009 at 11:03 PM
I think Obama looks at this as a win-win for himself and his political philosophy. Out of the trials, he gets two possible outcomes:
1) KSM and others are convicted. Win for anti-terrorism. BUT, during the trial, Bush and others are dragged through the mud resulting in propaganda for the libs. In addition, in order to achieve a conviction, the what, where, why, and how of intelligence gathering techniques are revealed — resulting in a win for Obama’s other buddies, those who revile and hate the US OR
2) KSM and others are acquitted. As someone else pointed out, Obama can’t let KSM walk, so he’s going to have to over-rule the judiciary and/or go around its decision. This will occur with the approval of the majority of the American people — some of whom will point out that this was foolish to begin with, but will still support whatever legal shenanigans are used to make sure KSM. Actually, I think this is the outcome Obama and the statists in his administration would prefer. He gets to set a precedent for setting aside a judicial decsion, for putting someone in double jeopardy, and essentially subverting the American legal system. He will do this with the approval of the majority of the American people because of the situation. But, once the precedent is set, it sets him up for other such abrogations, a little at a time, thereby eventually relegating the Constitution to an “interesting historical document” that served well in its day, but is no longer relevant in our more complex, advanced society. Obama gets the other wins stated above in addition.
The cynical part of me wouldn’t be surprised if they set conditions up for decision 2 because they benefit more from it.
AZfederalist on November 13, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Everything you say makes perfect sense but I distrust our shiny new president and his tactics are horrendous. This seems like such a bad decision that I am trying to find a reason he would think there is an upside. I am probably getting a little to creative in my thinking.
Cindy Munford on November 13, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Well, Obama is often very tone deaf. This will not go over well.
AnninCA on November 13, 2009 at 11:03 PM
In order to survive, this country needs a leader like Patton who understand Conservatives Like Reagan. All others sit on the bench.
I am tired of apologizing to our enemies. Folks We are at war and when in the history of time has leader EVER told his military, his nation, his people not to jump to conclusions and then cower away.
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It’s sick, just plain sick.
Indian Outlaw on November 13, 2009 at 11:05 PM
I’ve always loved weekends! Now the Marxist pigs are even ruining Fridays! Why do they keep sneaking their filthy dirty-work under our noses every single weekend? There is nothing, nothing, absolutely nothing good or trustworthy or decent about the Barack H. Obama Administration! Nothing. And this monstrous scheme of a trial is exactly what CK calls it….THE SECOND PART OF A TERRORIST ATTACK ON AMERICA!
redwhiteblue on November 13, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Bush should have hanged KSM and all the rest before he left office.
Kini on November 13, 2009 at 11:07 PM
+ 1 trillion
Cindy Munford on November 13, 2009 at 11:08 PM
CK is on fire today. Chack out his Townhall Post
Indian Outlaw on November 13, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Bloomberg, at least, has already expressed his support for Obama’s kangaroo-court show trials.
FloatingRock on November 13, 2009 at 11:09 PM
I Hope that these terrorists get the best and the brightest minds to defend them. I hope that they use every trick in the book in the defence of these animals.
Let everyone see just how stupid and ignorant the Obama administration is.
Vince on November 13, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Here is the definition……..see if it fits.
TREASON – This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.
“…and will to the best of my ability, PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND the Constitution of the United States…”
Is he guilty?
Will it take a NUKE or several NUKES going off on American Soil and then have him urge “Caution and Restraint”?
Will Americans weeping from the nuclear fallout be heard in the White House?
Will he call for a U.N. Commission to investigate the nuclear “tragedy”?
Will he tell his Homeland Security chief to not use the word “nuclear attack” but instead call it a “Warm Population Reducer“?
Come on people………HE MUST GO!!!
He is a Traitor!!
PappyD61 on November 13, 2009 at 11:10 PM
So, polls are falling and this is what we get. The hell with us…. Piss on our opinion. Piss on our history and our wants. Whatever happened to you working for us Mr. President? You do not have the freedom to do what you want. You think trials are the right way to go for this guy. You think we have the “best system” and then troll this little ditty out once you’re off eating sushi? Hell no, just wait until your own….
ted c on November 13, 2009 at 11:10 PM
From CK Town Hall:
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Indian Outlaw on November 13, 2009 at 11:11 PM
I dunno, I think being passive aggressive is worse then being a fool.
When you’re a fool, you don’t know any better. When your PA, you do and you’re slimy about it.
I’m pretty sure that KSM will be convicted because he basically sang like a bird to his interrogators.
Thi sis just another thing in the growing pile of CREEPY things that O and his buddies have ok’d.
It’s just CREEPY.
One minute O is being dangerously naive, the next he’s being just a total creep about stuff like this.
Well at least he isn’t doing things that the country likes, which means more then ever, he’s a lame duck.
B Man on November 13, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Did KSM commit a crime on American soil? Even the conspiracy being what it was, and coming to fruition, means that he led to crimes being committed, but did he, in fact, commit a crime within the Constitutional reach of our courts? I do not believe he did, therefore, even though Holder is ‘guaranteeing a conviction,’ I don’t think he can get it.
TinMan13 on November 13, 2009 at 11:12 PM
+1
I’m sure Obama also looks at is an an opportunity to continue his assault on Bush using KSM as his proxy.
FloatingRock on November 13, 2009 at 11:12 PM
AZfederalist on November 13, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Rats, got interrupted, that one sentence should have said:
AZfederalist on November 13, 2009 at 11:14 PM
Perhaps the hope is the Media Circus sure to come will take our minds off of health care and captain trade.
Disgusted disgusted disgusted…
Dhuka on November 13, 2009 at 11:14 PM
Yep, it’s the lowest yet I’ve seen. This president and his administration are truly un-American.
4shoes on November 13, 2009 at 11:15 PM
O’Reilly just pounded Der Leader. Guess he did not want that interview after all since Palin is coming on The Factor.
PS.. Karl Rove said that the Bush Adminstration was blocked by some nut root attorneys from holding Tribunals for KSM and company.
Dire Straits on November 13, 2009 at 11:16 PM
To be honest, I have no idea what is going on their minds..I think you have to get creative when you try to figure it out, because in a rational world it makes no sense. No sense at all.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 11:16 PM
That is why they passed the Military Commissions Act in the first place…to get past all the lawyers who were gumming up the works. From the gitgo they had lawyers arguing with them about everything they tried to do and after the Hamdan decision from the Supreme Court they had to write legislation to satisfy the Justices as well. It was a long haul just to get to the place where they could try them.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 11:19 PM
Take a deep breathe, subsume some of your rage for now, but resurrect it for the next TEA-PARTY.
If you have not gone to one yet, get off your butt and go. We need to become conservative activists. The Fed is not your friend.
Geochelone on November 13, 2009 at 11:19 PM
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