KSM, 4 other 9/11 figures to be tried in NYC
posted at 8:48 am on November 13, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The Obama administration will send five of the 9/11 plotters to New York City to face a criminal trial for their part in the terrorist attacks that killed almost 3,000 people. Among the terrorists to be tried is mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, perhaps the most notorious detainee currently at Guantanamo Bay. The decision will raise questions about security — and what Obama is prepared to do if prosecutors fumble the case:
Self-proclaimed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other Guantanamo Bay detainees will be sent to New York to face trial in a civilian federal court, an Obama administration official said Friday.
The official said Attorney General Eric Holder plans to announce the decision later in the morning. …
Bringing such notorious suspects to U.S. soil to face trial is a key step in President Barack Obama’s plan to close the terror suspect detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Obama initially planned to close the detention center by Jan. 22, but the administration is no longer expected to meet that deadline.
The New York case may also force the court system to confront a host of difficult legal issues surrounding counter-terrorism programs begun after the 2001 attacks, including the harsh interrogation techniques once used on some of the suspects while in CIA custody. The most severe method — waterboarding, or simulated drowning — was used on Mohammed 183 times in 2003, before the practice was banned.
Curiously, though, the White House has not abandoned military tribunals for some of the Gitmo detainees. Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, one of the terrorists behind the attack on the USS Cole in Aden nine years ago, will not face a criminal trial but will have his case adjudicated by the military tribunals at Gitmo. So will several other detainees, who will be named in by Attorney General Eric Holder later today.
So why bother to try the 9/11 “suspects” in the Big Apple at all? One rationale for the split could be that Nashiri attacked a military target while the 9/11 Five attacked civilians. However, the 9/11 plot also killed almost 200 people at the Pentagon, most definitely a military target. That alone justifies a military tribunal rather than a criminal trial for KSM and the others. Besides, if several of these terrorists get tried at Gitmo, trying the 9/11 plotters elsewhere isn’t going to close Gitmo any faster.
What do we get from having the 9/11 plotters tried in criminal court in New York City? Well, we get to have the city painted as a big, bright target for terrorist action during the entirety of the trial. Thanks to press coverage, which should be an order of magnitude more obsessive than the OJ Simpson trial in LA fourteen years ago, jihadists will come out of the woodwork to make a big international splash, or more likely a boom. We also give KSM and his cohorts a big, juicy media platform for their bile. That was one of their motivations for conducting the attack in the first place, and we finally get to deliver it to them.
Another rationale for exempting Nashiri has to do with evidentiary problems, as the Washington Post reports:
The case of one of the al-Nashiri is complicated by the fact that he is one of three detainees known to have been waterboarded during his interrogation. That means that some of the evidence obtained from him could be tainted. …
That leaves up to 75 individuals remaining at Guantanamo who could continue to be held under the laws of war because they are deemed too dangerous to release but cannot be prosecuted because of evidentiary issues and limits on the use of classified material.
That brings up a key question. What happens if the judge throws out key evidence over nitpicky technicalities? What happens if KSM and others get found not guilty because of gaps in the evidence chain resulting from national-security issues or “evidentiary issues”? Will Obama let them walk away? If that happens, look for a massive amount of anger to overwhelm the naive Commander in Chief. And if Obama isn’t prepared to let them walk after a potential acquittal, then it makes a mockery of the criminal trial, and of the justice system itself.
These terrorists belong at a military tribunal, not the justice system employed for Americans to judge other Americans for civil criminal conduct. Instead of giving these men the oblivion they deserve, we’re incentivizing further attacks on the US by giving them the biggest possible PR platform. We may as well put them on TV and call it Dancing With the Terrorists, or So You Want To Be A Jihadist Martyr.
Update: As far as Nashiri goes (and I can’t believe it took me this long to remember it), the waterboarding issue doesn’t really fly as an explanation. Why? KSM got waterboarded, too, and Obama will put his fate in the hands of a criminal court.










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They should go free if people like you consider them to have been tortured right? That’s why you don’t extend constitutional protections to enemy combatants.
elduende on November 13, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Hey, appreciate your moral compass that led to the deaths of 13 of our citizens recently. Time to grow up child and take off your pussy Guy Fawkes mask.
How do the rest of you not see that this is simply an avenue for manchild douches like orange to bring members of our intelligence community to trial through the discovery process.
Bank it.
ClassicCon on November 13, 2009 at 12:07 PM
I disagree. I think you are looking at the wrong things and trying to make them primary motivations. Caputuring their guys period is going to motivate to some extent but they are secondary and minor. As Yousef was being transfered to Supermax he stated in the helicopter that those towers will not stand. The motivation was perpetual and started well before those trials even took place. Primary motivation, or I should say justification for recruiting because that is really what we are talking about here since I think true motivation has to do more with the power struggle in the ME, was based on American military and CIA presense in Islamic land, things like Gulf War I had a larger motivation for terrorist actions than some trial. Now Gulf War II and Afghanistan are the primary motivations, those reactions to 9/11 were what Bin Laden wanted because it would stir up Anti Americanism in the region, in addition to support of despots and puppet rulers. Similar to how Soviet intervention in Afghanistan was the motivation for the mujahadeen, who came from multiple countries with global logistics support, to form and fight them in Afghanistan.
LevStrauss on November 13, 2009 at 12:07 PM
So when will the trials be scheduled with respect to the 2010 elections? If the anti-American protest circus I’m anticipating starts going down in the fall of 2010 the trials could prove beneficial to us patriotic conservatives.
kd6rxl on November 13, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Ooof-da…I though Barry was the smartest man on the planet? Well, if he’s going to crap in his mess kit on this deal, I hope he’s prepared to eat it.
Wyznowski on November 13, 2009 at 12:09 PM
You want to know what could happen during the trial? Here’s what could happen, only on a larger scale…
Beslan School Terror
What was going through their minds? “Only one thing: Let it all end soon,” says Zalina, who thought she and her two children would be killed. “When my children fell asleep, I would think, ‘Let it happen to them before they wake.’ ”
As the hours passed into the second day, the hostages were struggling to survive. Elena huddled with her son, Timor.
“When the children and adults couldn’t stand it any longer without water, some started drinking urine. … When I thought I was ready to drink it too, I told my son, ‘I could drink yours.’ He didn’t believe me,” recalls Elena. “I began drinking, from a bottle he had used, covering my nose with my hand. He was looking at me and then said, ‘Mom, leave the last sip for me.’”
It was also difficult for loved ones waiting outside the school. “I couldn’t eat. And my mom couldn’t eat. While this was happening, no one could possibly eat,” says Dariya. “They were thinking, no one who was waiting here for their kids could possibly eat because they know their kids don’t have anything to eat – anything
Zalina was in the gym with her two children, Alana and Alan, and struggled to keep them calm. She had no idea that Aushev had negotiated the release of babies and their mothers. “At first, when they allowed us to take the children out, we were overjoyed, and Alana was too,” recalls Zalina. “But at the entrance to the gym, another terrorist took Alana away from me and told me to go away. I said, ‘I won’t leave, I have a child here.’”
Zalina was forced to choose. Take 2-year-old Alan out to safety and leave Alana, 6, behind. Or stay and risk losing both her children. With Khuchbarov and Aushev watching, the mothers painfully walked out the door. Each of these mothers were leaving an older child behind. One child could be heard crying out, “I want to go with mama.”
What did Zalina see in her daughter’s eyes as she prepared to leave? “Fear, uncertain fear, not knowing what to do,” she says.
Was she able to tell Alana that she loved her before she left? “Yes,” says Zalina. “She said she loved me, too.”
One by one, the mothers left the building. “To leave a child behind, it’s beyond words,” says Zalina. “One has to live through this.”
Eleven mothers carried out 14 babies. At the last moment, a terrorist handed another baby to Aushev. The boy’s mother couldn’t leave her older child behind.
Elena will never forget, or forgive, those terrorists: “They are not human. And there is no place for them on this earth.”
“I saw two large dead women lying at an angle. I tucked my daughter under them and lay on top of her, shielding her from subsequent explosions,” says Sergei.
“After the explosion, there was a pile of dead children’s bodies, and then complete silence,” says Elena, who couldn’t locate her son. “All the children looked the same.”
Only 12 seconds passed since that first explosion.
“I got up. I lifted my daughter, stepped over guts, legs, body parts,” says Sergei. “And I went through the mess. All those wounded, I couldn’t help them. God forgive me
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/20/48hours/main668127.shtml
lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Is that a question?
I have to ask because if you took my reply as anything but sarcasm it indicates that you are none to bright and may not understand proper punctuation.
So if that was a question you should be young, very pretty, female and willing to pay your own way otherwise I’m not interested. Oh and experienced cause I just don’t want to be bored by a newbie.
RagTag on November 13, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Only on the walls of some of our leftest friends.
RagTag on November 13, 2009 at 12:13 PM
You are right, but that does not negate the fact that the blind sheik was a motivator. Quibble with the 9/11 commission. This is a bad move. NYC is up front and center while Gitmo is an abstraction. The process may or may not motivate them but only one of these locations affords a media platform, accessibility, and plenty of innocent bystanders.
elduende on November 13, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Why am I seeing Beslan posts today on different blogs? I don’t mind, i think we need to confront that possibility here, head on. But I find it odd that it is one so many minds today.
ORconservative on November 13, 2009 at 12:17 PM
i don’t understand your point. Please clarify.
RagTag on November 13, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Oh dear! Thats like anti matter white wash. Crazy fu*k talk.
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I wonder how the dance to keep “Islam” out of things will go? I imagine new legal language will have to be constructed to shield Islam from exposure. What if the defendants insist on acting like “Muslims fighting in the way of Allah”? Let them off for insanity?
BL@KBIRD on November 13, 2009 at 12:17 PM
I think she meant with the pretrial motions, but expect the jury to be impaneled for at least a year I would think
ginaswo on November 13, 2009 at 12:17 PM
did the Russians try the Beslan massacre evil doers in a civilian court? Is that why perhaps?
ginaswo on November 13, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Am I the only one who sees a discontinuity with Holder seeking the death penalty for these guys, while at the same time is going to prosecute the CIA for torture?
Will Holder not use any of the information the CIA got out of KSM et al because it is ‘tainted’ by torture?
Wonder how it will play out…
sultanp on November 13, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Undoubtedly, someone has already mentioned this, but who in the world do they expect to get as jurors? Those with death wish? Those with no family? And if for some reason the defendants opt for a bench trial (highly unlikely), who will protect the judge and his/her family?
With each decision, Obama demonstrates his naivete and ignorance of the real world.
LASue on November 13, 2009 at 12:19 PM
The courtroom in NYC will be destroyed prior to the trial.
Obama’s political future will be destroyed during the trail and after the acquittals.
omnipotent on November 13, 2009 at 12:19 PM
No, I’m arguing that since we set out to iniate a military action, not a criminal investigation and prosecution, the prosecutors are already hamstrung by what will be portrayed as procedural abuse. Jackass.
No, I’m arguing that the Federal takes precedence over the State, and that the National takes precedence over both. Or don’t you feel our nation as a whole was attacked? Do you even feel it’s your nation? Jackass.
They could’ve been killed on the battlefield by people exactly like me. But you don’t know a thing about people like me other than what you’ve read that’s been written by people like you, only marginally brighter. Jackass.
What?! Jackass.
F**k international law. You can “reflect” the U.S. Constitution or international law, not both. And yes, in the legal sense, they are mutually exclusive. I’m a U.S. citizen; I’ll take the Constitution. And the terrorists couldn’t care less about moral superiority or fair trials; they regard all that as weakness. And since I’m subject to UCMJ, why isn’t good enough for them? How do you really feel about the U.S. military? Jackass.
Of course I do. It’s just that I think they’re willing to compromise all that for a self-beneficial political purpose. Especially that weasel, Tiny Dancer. Jackass.
Since it was all part and parcel of a single plot, wouldn’t that constitute double jeopardy, genius? Jackass.
Doorgunner on November 13, 2009 at 12:20 PM
We are so screwed…
lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 12:20 PM
We are so screwed, this is not well thought out, and will turn out horribly.
ORconservative on November 13, 2009 at 12:21 PM
If KSM is found not guilty — then what? He stands on our soil, after all.
If KSM is found guilty — then what? Our enemies the world over get to use it as richly documented propaganda, whipping up anti-American hostility in every corner and harping on this trial for the foreseeable future as a Kangaroo court.
If KSM is found guilty — where is he now incarcerated, and who with? Who does he get to have contact with? What are his new “rights” now that he is in legal terms a “United States Person”?
How many more terrorists will we convert to United States Persons who gain a whole raft of new undeserved rights in doing so? Good night!
Should have been a Guantanamo-based military tribunal all the way. His and his cohorts’ feet should never have hit our soil. We all know this.
Edouard on November 13, 2009 at 12:22 PM
I’m gonna guess you’re not too hip to constitutional knowledge.
The Calibur on November 13, 2009 at 12:22 PM
I would think that anything found during his stay at Gitmo would be tainted evidence and not allowed for the prosecution. On the other side of the coin I would expect that anything done during his stay at Gitmo would be allowable evidence for the defense and most likely grounds to dismiss.
RagTag on November 13, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Political survival is only important to someone who has to stand for election. No election – no political consequences.
The real purpose of this insanity is to goad someone – anyone – from the right to commit a violent act. Then the arrests can begin.
lonesomecharlie on November 13, 2009 at 12:24 PM
The anti-American left gets to put the USA on trial for all the world to see.
petefrt on November 13, 2009 at 12:26 PM
She also needs to pick those bugs out from her teeth. That is what happens when you have sh*t for brains….
lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 12:27 PM
They actually have (or think they have) a way around the problem by using “clean teams.” They reinterrogate tortured detainees to pretty much review their duress confessions and then *poof* they’re magically not under duress.
The Calibur on November 13, 2009 at 12:27 PM
You forgot,
Then the national emergency is declared. Martial law is declared. The Constitution is suspended and thus elections. BO is given the position of acting ruler until the crisis is over. Soon after he dissolves the congress and he declares himself Emperor. It was all in a movie a few years ago.
RagTag on November 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Sounds good but will consul get to be involved? I would think that if so then that not to much would be allowed to happen.
RagTag on November 13, 2009 at 12:30 PM
You know what? I’m not going to make any assertions there at all. I’m positve that what I don’t know exceeds what I do re constitutional law. But please, subsequent to telling us where you got your J.D. and picking apart my jusrisdictional assertions, tell us how this isn’t the rankest political ploy of our new millenium.
Doorgunner on November 13, 2009 at 12:32 PM
I have stated before, and I will again…
TORTURE is having to choose between dying in a fire raging in your office, or jumping out the 82nd floor window, knowing you didn’t tell your childre/hussband/wife/mother that you loved them one last time.
Maybe you should watch the tapes of the victims falling to their deaths. Maybe you should HEAR the sound of their bodies hitting the sidewalk, as the police and firemen did…
Being tortured by 182 FREAKING DROPS OF WATER IS NOT TORTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All of you libs that believe that can go to hell!!!
lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Wouldn’t most people say that you couldn’t get a fair trial and wouldn’t hold it in New York anyway. Man I’m scared that I can’t figure out the complete idiocy and possibly nefarious reasons behind this.
It is so stupid it is scary.
I almost wish it was just pure stupidity, but I fear it isn’t.
tomas on November 13, 2009 at 12:33 PM
BO gets his diversion for the next few years.
BO gets to claim the high moral ground for his wonderfulness.
BO get to push off any consequences of the whole thing to the next administration. Come on folks, doesn’t the “could go on fro ten years” seem a little to convenient for BO.
RagTag on November 13, 2009 at 12:33 PM
What we need now is a few Jack Ruby’s…
lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 12:33 PM
If KSM walks becausing of waterboarding, it becomes Bush’s fault for the not so deep thinkers in the Obama column.
RobCon on November 13, 2009 at 12:37 PM
OBAMA IS NOW OFFICIALLY INSANE.
profitsbeard on November 13, 2009 at 12:38 PM
I didn’t know that, I just posted this because I have always been so affected by it as my grandson was starting school that year, and I saw all the children as my grandson. I have never forgotten this event, and have often wondered what would happen if that happened here? GOD FORBID…
lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 12:39 PM
No I don’t think so. I believe the operation is already done or in the process. You can check one of the articles I found yourself:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/11/AR2008021100572.html
It’s slightly old but still a good read.
The Calibur on November 13, 2009 at 12:42 PM
People have no clue what torture is. We sit around in a cushy house living a cushy life and truly believe being dined HOB is cruel and unusual punishment or that yelling at somebody is torture. Torture is being beaten every day, having glass rods shoved into your penis and broken or a hose shoved up your butt until you start puking water. Torture is going though that and never being asked a question. These things do and have happen to people around the world. What happen to these animals in Gitmo wasn’t even as harsh as their everyday lives in their world.
They laugh at us.
RagTag on November 13, 2009 at 12:42 PM
I repeat:
OBAMA IS NOW OFFICIALLY INSANE
FUBO
profitsbeard on November 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM
The MSM would be wondering if it was truly an act of terror and the WH would be telling us not to jump to conclusions.
Liam on November 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM
I think about it all the time, probably almost daily when I send my kids off to school. It could happen so easily here.
4shoes on November 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM
You might wanna brush up on United Stats V. Lee
The Calibur on November 13, 2009 at 12:45 PM
faraway on November 13, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Wait, New York doesn’t have the death penalty….does this mean KSM cannot be put to death?
awake on November 13, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Osama Obama is merely following the rules he learned back in the Madrasa days, which were reinforced by some of his shadowy pals who pushed him through college and his early “career.”
The Traitor-in-Chief knows damn well what the potential consequences of the public trial can be. All would fit his agenda for destroying the nation.
Holder is, I think, merely corrupt and in way over his pay grade.
MrScribbler on November 13, 2009 at 12:50 PM
OBAMA- CERTIFIABLY INSANE AS OF THIS DAY.
And our country will have to pay the price for his seizures.
profitsbeard on November 13, 2009 at 12:50 PM
It’s a federal trial so the death penalty still is on the table.
Mike Honcho on November 13, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Treason
bill30097 on November 13, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Oh my, this sounds like a very purposeful “distraction”, what better way to get the spot-light pointed in another direction?
But, I thought this President had “distractions” listed as “bad” things? I guess not when they distract away from his complete inability to lead or govern.
Fatal on November 13, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Let’s be realistic here faraway. The filthy lying coward in the White House and his administration doesn’t care. Never has and never will. If the fury gets too much, they’ll just blame Craig, who they’ve already thrown under the bus. Nevertheless, the bottom line remains the same. Public outrage just doesn’t matter.
highhopes on November 13, 2009 at 12:58 PM
It has to be evidentiary issues. Different evidentiary rules apply in federal courts than in military courts. I would assume that the Obama Admin is banking on that they have enough admissible evidence to convict the 5 in NYC federal court, but not enough on the individual going to the military tribunal.
Your theory on jurisdictions, that one attack was physically in the US and the other was not, would be a truly scary policy choice from the Administration. The Administration would be telling terrorists that if they attack US civilians within the US border, they will go before a much more favorable jurisdiction than if they attack the US military overseas.
Conservative in NOVA on November 13, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Drudge finally puts a headline up…
“ATTORNEY GENERAL PLANS TO SEEK DEATH PENALTY AGAINST 9/11 SUSPECTS…”
Totally missing the point, IMO.
ornery_independent on November 13, 2009 at 1:25 PM
Don’t know if this has already been said, but is it possible these pricks figure this is a way to get Bush and/or Cheney on the witness stand?
PatMac on November 13, 2009 at 1:27 PM
This isn’t incompetence – this is calculated! It has to be daily because if they don’t keep us in a constant state of outrage, then we have time to muster together to stop their power grab and social engineering.
TN Mom is right – this is merely another distraction to keep people off balance long enough to push through their agenda.
vapig on November 13, 2009 at 1:30 PM
Whatever the WH has us focussing on is not the real story. The NYC circus is not the story we need to be looking at.
ORconservative on November 13, 2009 at 1:37 PM
This kind of thing only emboldens those who aspire to follow in their footstep. Obama and all of his administration are complete idiots.
TrickyDick on November 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM
HillBuzz is all over this today!
http://hillbuzz.org/
lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Here’s a good article to get the libturds going!
The Man Who Despises America
By Mark Hyman on 11.11.09 @ 6:09AM
http://spectator.org/archives/2009/11/11/the-man-who-despises-america/
lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Excuse me–but WTF? This case is about a boat!!!! Please explain your reasoning…
U.S. Supreme Court
United States v. Lee, 274 U.S. 559 (1927)
http://supreme.justia.com/us/274/559/case.html
WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH “TORTURE”????
lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Saddam Hussein and a million or so civilians attacked America? It’s one thing to go after whoever was responsible for terrorist attacks on our soil. But what the U.S. military is doing is basically going on a scorched earth jihad through the entire region.
The Dean on November 13, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Yeh, I’m a newbie. Did you come down with the rain?
I was being sarcastic too. Couldn’t you tell?
Guess you’re none too bright.
fogw on November 13, 2009 at 1:59 PM
lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 2:00 PM
I think you’re cracking a pretty funny joke with U.S. v Lee, but justin case, it’s 1984, 5th Court- TX sheriff’s deputy using “water torture” to elicit confessions.
The question remains jurisdictional, though. KSM actually committed no crime on U.S. soil.
Doorgunner on November 13, 2009 at 2:05 PM
It’s a Fifth Court of Appeals decision, providing the latest precedent on water torture. Sorry I should have been more specific. Anyway, guy water boarded someone and was prosecuted for torture.
The Calibur on November 13, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Don’t answer it? The rest of the forum can’t answer the question of whether the U.S. incites these attacks because they have an indefensable position.
It’s just curious that Ed claims KSM’s words will incite violence while our actions which actually lead to deaths do not incite anti-US sentiment. Civilians of these countries haven’t wanted us there since 2004 at the latest. That’s all.
The Dean on November 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Doorgunner on November 13, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Oh, sigh–wrong case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0
lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Thanks, I couldn’t see a connection between the 1927 case…Still, in my opinion–it wasn’t torture compared to the 9-1-1 victims…
lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Shameful.
Ayers,Wright, the terrorists wet dream? To put American policy on trial. Some candidates that I bet they try to bring into this circus: All of Bush’s team (that is a given), but I think they will go all the way back to Carter then and the start of the Afghan/Russia war to help “explain” why KSM “had” to plan this attack and then try to bring in key players from every admin since especially Clinton’s admin.
And I don’t doubt for a minute that this decision was reached after Obama was embarrassed by Bush and Laura going to comfort the troops and families at Ft Hood. He is that vengeful and that shortsighted as to the goals of the terrorists.
And I don’t doubt that we will get at least 1 not guilty because if there is a trial by jury aren’t they entitled to a jury of their peers? Which would mean they would have to have some Muslims on the jury. Want to bet that the imams in NY and elswhere have been thinking about this day since KSMs capture and have been training some of their worshippers in how to answer jury questions so that they can get on a jury like this? I don’t doubt it.
journeyintothewhirlwind on November 13, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Let me be clear, evidence has been corrupted and a mistrial has happened. So we must stick to the rule of law. His rights must be respected. We will return him to his home country….
Greed on November 13, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Late response, but I just couldn’t let this go. Leftists don’t much like killers, unless they are killing the inconvenient (babies in the womb, people on life-support, and soon the elderly who need expensive medical assistance).
Leftists don’t much like killers – what a freaking laugh!!
Fatal on November 13, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Precedent: Zombies, Vampires, Werewolves, and Other Monsters Exploit Obama Terrorism Precedents http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/08/vampires-werewolves-and-other-monsters.html
Mervis Winter on November 13, 2009 at 2:34 PM
LMFAO!!!!
Having flown a super-sonic fighter at over 1000 mph at less than 50 ft above ground (water), I can pretty much guarantee you that it is indeed “aerodynamically possible”!
LOL!!
P.S. Try looking up “ground effects”
Fatal on November 13, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Every freaking day the Obama administration does something that just makes me doubt their collective sanity.
This is insane. It really is.
I know the liberals are thinking that this will be their opportunity to make an issue of waterboarding etc. We will have to watch the preening, posturing, self righteous, sanctimonious yammering of these people as they pretend respect for the American legal system.
Truth is, it would be fine with a lot of those folks to see these guys go free, if they could blame it on Bush and the Republicans. That is the only enemy half these morons care about defeating.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 2:56 PM
A friend sent me this…
Psalm 2009
FIRST BOOK OF GOVERNMENT ..
Obama is the shepherd I did not want.
He leadeth me beside the still factories.
He restoreth my faith in the Republican party.
He guideth me in the path of unemployment for his party’s sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the bread line,
I shall fear no hunger, for his bailouts are with me.
He has anointed my income with taxes,
My expenses runneth over.
Surely, poverty and hard living will follow me all the days of my life,
And I will live in a mortgaged home forever.
I am glad I am American,
I am glad that I am free.
But I wish I was a dog …
And Obama was a tree.
Plus the airliners hit high up in the towers, nowhere near ground level. And 500mph isn’t full throttle for an airliner.
Ever get the impression liberals simply don’t want KSM or others convicted of anything? And they’ll deny or thwart any evidence that risks penalty for what are essentially crimes against humanity?
Liam on November 13, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Well most of you New Yorkers voted for this POS!
Good Time for another Manhattan photo-op flyover there Berry.
try again later on November 13, 2009 at 3:19 PM
How about “criminal”, “unconstitutional”, and “treasonous”?
Cybergeezer on November 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Unbelievable!!!!!! What about the thousands people that stood in the top of those buildings for hours and waited to be incinerated alive, or even worse, jumped to their deaths so this would not be their fate? They weren’t tortured?
Poor, poor terrorists, they don’t know what torture is!!!!
Susanboo on November 13, 2009 at 3:36 PM
I believe the idgit is talking about the plane that hit the Pentagon. It bellyflooped on the 8B and it’s wing even hit a taxicab on the road before it flew into the side of the Pentagon at ground level. There were lots of witnesses to that and no one has any doubts it was a plane!
vapig on November 13, 2009 at 3:42 PM
I want to go back to the good old days.
Originalism and all of that.
Mr. Joe on November 13, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Well, I for one have no idea what bozo expects to gain from this.
But I would like to buy Doorgunner a beer…
JusDreamin on November 13, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Just be glad KSM and Co. aren’t being charged with voter intimidation. The Obama DoJ would’ve already let them walk.
tgharris on November 13, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Now that’s some funny Sh!t right there… :)
JusDreamin on November 13, 2009 at 4:02 PM
I agree with the assertions made here that this is nothing more than a back-door attempt at getting at intelligence people from the Bush administration. I know who were dealing with here, but still, there is no other logical explanation.
labrat on November 13, 2009 at 4:12 PM
From Rush…
“Eric Holder said these terrorists will be tried by ‘a jury of their peers.’ These guys are not citizens! Who the hell are their peers? The only one I can think of is Chris Matthews.”
I add, Cindy Sheehan, Codepinkos, Olby, Rosie
reshas1 on November 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM
I have to admit that “FU” as sarcasm escaped me the first time I read it. On further review I do see that it is indeed subtle sarcasm.
Sir or Madam I salute your literary prowess.
You are correct in that I am none too bright as I am a liberal and as everyone knows liberals are none to bright. If we were we wouldn’t be liberals now would we?
RagTag on November 13, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Noooooooooooooo
Not the Sheehan!
Please don’t bring back Bush era protesters.
RagTag on November 13, 2009 at 4:16 PM
I also think that all the wreckage was a dead give away to it being a plane. Of course there was also the little issue with broken street lights, marks on the walls from the wings, a hole the size of the fuselage and numerous other physical evidence.
RagTag on November 13, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Most of its post was related to the Towers.
But, for sake of argument, let’s say the planes hit the towers at 200mph. Would the result have been any different?
No, of course not.
It was all just a try at spinning the debate and this thread out of control. What the lib ignored is that AQ claimed credit for that horrible day. Lib can’t ignore that fact and sure as all hell hope 330 million of us forget it to the same measure.
It seems, by their own posts, they want any Islamic terrorist to be exonerated by any means necessary. Worse than a perpetrator is someone who seeks to defend them at all cost.
Liam on November 13, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Then how did the claim there was no wreckage come about? Libs have been saying this for years. Where did they get that?
Just curious. I can imagine the aluminum frame of the plane flat-out melted, but there has to be something. Can you direct me someplace where I can be able to refute that myth?
Would appreciate it!
Liam on November 13, 2009 at 4:28 PM
There were lots of picture that showed no wreckage. There were also lots showing wreckage. All they did was show the pictures without the wreckage to bolster their case. Some searches on the net should find you lots of info on it.
RagTag on November 13, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Palin calls the decision “atrocious,” “horrible.”
“Hang ‘em high.”
Ted Torgerson on November 13, 2009 at 4:52 PM
As I expected! Thanks!
Liam on November 13, 2009 at 5:05 PM
I say drop them so far through that trap door their heads tear off. They want to be martyrs so bad, let’s indulge them.
Liam on November 13, 2009 at 5:07 PM
absolutely asinine!!
thanks holder and dear leader…we’ll have you to thank when we get hit again…
cmsinaz on November 13, 2009 at 5:49 PM
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