KSM, 4 other 9/11 figures to be tried in NYC

posted at 8:48 am on November 13, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The Obama administration will send five of the 9/11 plotters to New York City to face a criminal trial for their part in the terrorist attacks that killed almost 3,000 people. Among the terrorists to be tried is mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, perhaps the most notorious detainee currently at Guantanamo Bay. The decision will raise questions about security — and what Obama is prepared to do if prosecutors fumble the case:

Self-proclaimed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other Guantanamo Bay detainees will be sent to New York to face trial in a civilian federal court, an Obama administration official said Friday.

The official said Attorney General Eric Holder plans to announce the decision later in the morning. …

Bringing such notorious suspects to U.S. soil to face trial is a key step in President Barack Obama’s plan to close the terror suspect detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Obama initially planned to close the detention center by Jan. 22, but the administration is no longer expected to meet that deadline.

The New York case may also force the court system to confront a host of difficult legal issues surrounding counter-terrorism programs begun after the 2001 attacks, including the harsh interrogation techniques once used on some of the suspects while in CIA custody. The most severe method — waterboarding, or simulated drowning — was used on Mohammed 183 times in 2003, before the practice was banned.

Curiously, though, the White House has not abandoned military tribunals for some of the Gitmo detainees.  Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, one of the terrorists behind the attack on the USS Cole in Aden nine years ago, will not face a criminal trial but will have his case adjudicated by the military tribunals at Gitmo.  So will several other detainees, who will be named in by Attorney General Eric Holder later today.

So why bother to try the 9/11 “suspects” in the Big Apple at all?  One rationale for the split could be that Nashiri attacked a military target while the 9/11 Five attacked civilians.  However, the 9/11 plot also killed almost 200 people at the Pentagon, most definitely a military target.  That alone justifies a military tribunal rather than a criminal trial for KSM and the others.  Besides, if several of these terrorists get tried at Gitmo, trying the 9/11 plotters elsewhere isn’t going to close Gitmo any faster.

What do we get from having the 9/11 plotters tried in criminal court in New York City?  Well, we get to have the city painted as a big, bright target for terrorist action during the entirety of the trial.  Thanks to press coverage, which should be an order of magnitude more obsessive than the OJ Simpson trial in LA fourteen years ago, jihadists will come out of the woodwork to make a big international splash, or more likely a boom.  We also give KSM and his cohorts a big, juicy media platform for their bile.  That was one of their motivations for conducting the attack in the first place, and we finally get to deliver it to them.

Another rationale for exempting Nashiri has to do with evidentiary problems, as the Washington Post reports:

The case of one of the al-Nashiri is complicated by the fact that he is one of three detainees known to have been waterboarded during his interrogation. That means that some of the evidence obtained from him could be tainted. …

That leaves up to 75 individuals remaining at Guantanamo who could continue to be held under the laws of war because they are deemed too dangerous to release but cannot be prosecuted because of evidentiary issues and limits on the use of classified material.

That brings up a key question.  What happens if the judge throws out key evidence over nitpicky technicalities?  What happens if KSM and others get found not guilty because of gaps in the evidence chain resulting from national-security issues or “evidentiary issues”?  Will Obama let them walk away?  If that happens, look for a massive amount of anger to overwhelm the naive Commander in Chief.  And if Obama isn’t prepared to let them walk after a potential acquittal, then it makes a mockery of the criminal trial, and of the justice system itself.

These terrorists belong at a military tribunal, not the justice system employed for Americans to judge other Americans for civil criminal conduct.  Instead of giving these men the oblivion they deserve, we’re incentivizing further attacks on the US by giving them the biggest possible PR platform.  We may as well put them on TV and call it Dancing With the Terrorists, or So You Want To Be A Jihadist Martyr.

Update: As far as Nashiri goes (and I can’t believe it took me this long to remember it), the waterboarding issue doesn’t really fly as an explanation.  Why?  KSM got waterboarded, too, and Obama will put his fate in the hands of a criminal court.


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thanks holder and dear leader…we’ll have you to thank when we get hit again…

cmsinaz on November 13, 2009 at 5:49 PM

We were hit last week. It doesn’t matter if the killer is a Citizen. He is a Moslem. He is Moslem first and foremost, and an American second, by evidence already out there according to his own words.

We got popped again, less than a year into Obama’s reign. To deny that is to gouge out your own eyes and drive chopsticks into your own ears. And/or to be a liberal.

Liam on November 13, 2009 at 6:04 PM

cmsinaz on November 13, 2009 at 5:49 PM

My last wasn’t aimed at you, BTW. Apologies if I was unclear.

Liam on November 13, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Liam on November 13, 2009 at 6:06 PM

no worries…agree with you…I was thinking of retaliation by their cronies overseas during/after the trial…

cmsinaz on November 13, 2009 at 6:12 PM

From HillBuzz:
For our friend Jane, we will do everything in our power to make sure Obama suffers at the ballot box for what he’s doing to New York

lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 6:18 PM

no worries…agree with you…I was thinking of retaliation by their cronies overseas during/after the trial…

cmsinaz on November 13, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Thanks!

They’ll hit us anyway, which they have said for years they intend. Claiming a hit is because of KSM will be cover, to incite American libs against the war Islamism started. It’ll be a ploy, and libs–DEMS–will buy that hook line and sinker for one reason: they want to.

Liam on November 13, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Liam on November 13, 2009 at 6:26 PM

excellent point…

cmsinaz on November 13, 2009 at 6:29 PM

give it a frakking rest
Bill Cinton didnt make the 9/11 attack happen
GW was POTUS for 9 fxcking months

stop blaming innocent people for the acts of evil people

ginaswo on November 13, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Hi, Hillary!

Your first problem is that the 9/11 attacks were supposed to happen on Clinton’s watch, according to bin Laden himself. The only reason they were delayed was because Mohammed Atta told him that they needed more training time. Obviously he was correct, as the final results showed.

Your second problem is that Bill Clinton had more than one occasion to take bin Laden out of action, but conciously passed. To add insult to injury, Clinton had his National Security Advisor steal and destroy classified documents from the national Archives to cover up his crimes. He’s no “innocent” in this at all.

Third, how exactly would you have had Bush prevent the attacks from happening? If he’d tried using warrantless wiretaps or racial profiling, the Democrats would have started impeachment proceedings.

Tell Chelsea I say hi. Monica Lewinsky too!

(sadly shakes head)

Del Dolemonte on November 13, 2009 at 6:43 PM

If inaction by Bush caused 9/11, then it’s fair that Clinton’s calling off three sniper shots at bin Laden is also a cause for 9/11.

Sorry, libs: you can’t have it both ways long as there are Citizens who know better and call you on your willful duplicity.

As MLK said, “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”

Liam on November 13, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Y’all know we can trust Holder and Obama MORE than we can trust our own Army. What’s the problem?

Cybergeezer on November 13, 2009 at 6:58 PM

This action is a recipe for disaster. Think about all the sympathizers in this country, those here illegally and legally.

Consider that in view of the Iranian mosques and skyscraper that the government is seizing and the recent shootout with a terrorist imam and the other recent terrorist attacks here at the recruiting station and at Fort Hood.

Anyone thinking there won’t be trouble is delusional.

With the worlds attention focused there, muslim terrorists will use the attention to make attacks and New Yorkers will be up to their armpits with terrorists.

And Ed, all due respect, but NYPD is not up to the immigration of terrorists from all over the US. With our infrastructure people can get to NY pretty darned fast from all over.

dogsoldier on November 13, 2009 at 7:00 PM

And you thought Obama was trying to bring the country to socialism/communism!
How about Islam?

Cybergeezer on November 13, 2009 at 7:02 PM

How about Islam?

Cybergeezer on November 13, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Atheism is actually the first step. Deny the God of most Americans, who is the God of the Bible. At the same time, marginalize Jews without calling them enemies of peace while at the same time doing so (false respect without acknowledging their God, which is also the God of the Bible).

Once people stop believing in something, they’ll believe in anything. Of course a religion would get in the way of Obama, the Dems, and libs in general. I imagine they’ll be able to blend this later. Now isn’t the ripe time.

Liam on November 13, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Discussing legitimate jurisdiction is one thing, but some of you folks are just way over the top. It’s not like NYC hasn’t had these trials before, in fact KSM is facing a similar fate that his nephew faced.

LevStrauss on November 13, 2009 at 11:19 AM

There’s already been a trial in relation to the 9/11 attacks in the same Federal District Court in Manhattan. That took place in 2003. But for the past 6 years, the Left have totally ignored the results of that trial, calling them “not legitimate”.

What trial was that? The one in which Federal Judge Harold Baer, a Clinton appointee, ruled in a lawsuit brought by 9/11 family members that Iraq played a role in the 9/11 attacks.

Saddam Hussein and a million or so civilians attacked America? It’s one thing to go after whoever was responsible for terrorist attacks on our soil. But what the U.S. military is doing is basically going on a scorched earth jihad through the entire region.

The Dean on November 13, 2009 at 1:52 PM

See above.

Del Dolemonte on November 13, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Del Dolemonte on November 13, 2009 at 7:11 PM

I don’t know about you, but I have no problem with a scorched earth policy against jihad. The fact a lib tried making a value-equity with those who are all-or-nothing tells more about libs and those they support than against our country.

I say we ask no quarter and give none, as the jihadis set the rules. We’re being fair, right? Meeting them on their own standards.

Just like Leftists: change the rules in mid-game. I wonder how they’d like the NFL going by ‘living rules’ during the Super Bowl to the detriment of the team they favor.

Since they were all ‘Americans’ on 9/12, and change that by 9/13, I can only conclude they were never Americans in the first place. They were, are, and always have been sunshine patriots, summer soldiers.

The posts here, by libs, only enhance my low opinion of them.

Liam on November 13, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Looks as though the President forgot something…again
You guys aren’t going to freaking believe this picture. Scroll down a little past the “must reads of the day”. It’s at the end. It is the Terrorist in Chief at the Tomb of the Unknown soldier, everybody else is saluting–guess who isn’t…
UNFREAKINGBELIEVABLE!!!!
http://www.lucianne.com/home/

lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Liam on November 13, 2009 at 7:07 PM

You’re almost there; Hasn’t Obambi been linked to Islam already?

Cybergeezer on November 13, 2009 at 7:29 PM

lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 7:26 PM

My God! His hands are folded! He couldn’t even stand at attention????????

~snarls~

My best friend sent me a shot vid of Obama in Moscow. He extended his hand to about four or five Russian dignitaries, and every one of them passed him by to shake with the Russian following him.

That didn’t make the news, and I wonder (not) why.

If libs value the views of other nations, then that vid shoud tell them a lot.

Damn–Obama couldn’t even stand at attention. He folded his hands like a petulant child or a submissive make facing a BDSM Mistress.

I need to stop coming here. You evil cons keep pissing me off about this guy! /sarc

Liam on November 13, 2009 at 7:31 PM

You’re almost there; Hasn’t Obambi been linked to Islam already?

Cybergeezer on November 13, 2009 at 7:29 PM

I think far enough, maybe too far. The stage right now is atheism, which the Demlibfucks have been pushing for 25 years.

They need this step before getting to the next. It’s a process.

What they fail to realize is people like me would rather boil in oil than denounce the One who saves us. And that isn’t Obama.

I don’t know what you personally believe, but for my life my only Majesty is the Lord Jesus Christ, who died for my sins and was resurrected to eternal life for his sacrifice. After which, I might be allowed to follow–saved by Grace of the Father.

Libs will attack me for that, but that’s what works in my life. Believing costs me nothing, if we go into energy when we die. But if what I believe is true, a lot of people are going to be shocked when they die.

Again, my personal beliefs.

Liam on November 13, 2009 at 7:37 PM

lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 7:26 PM

They’ve changed the picture already, but I found it at google–there’s also the picture at Tom Harkin’s BBQ in 2008 (Harking is my senator–sigh. Thank God he is balanced out by Grassley!)

Notice the similarities?
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/11/veterans-day-at-the-tomb-of-the-unknown-photo-of-the-day-.html

lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 8:02 PM

I think Benedict Obama’s refusal to recognize Major Hasan as a terrorist, swiftly followed by his decision to try the 9/11 conspirators in New York mark the beginning of the end for Obama. I think at some point his own party, after Pelosi and Reid are replaced, will ask Obama to resign.

Hermeticus on November 13, 2009 at 8:12 PM

Guess what, the Terrorist in Chief will salute a flag–THE RUSSIAN FLAG!
http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2009/11/13/obama-again-fails-to-salute-americans-but-remembers-to-salute-russian-flag/

lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 8:13 PM

I should be clear – I have no idea if Nashiri’s confessions were actually false or not. Nobody does, since he was tortured to give them. That’s why you don’t use torture.

orange on November 13, 2009 at 11:56 AM

This is REAL torture:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/11/obama-reduces-september-11th-act-of-war-on-america-to-a-law-enforcement-.html

lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 8:26 PM

***
HI FATAL@2:43 PM. Good points on aircraft stuff. Although there are a few problems with the WTC attacks.
***
The aircraft hit the upper floors of the towers–probably more than 500 ft. high. Ground effects occur pretty close to the ground–probably 100 ft. or less. At 500 ft. and higher they are probably negligible. And they work better over smooth ground or water–jagged skyscrapers in the area probably give a really “wild ride”.
***
I was involved in Improved Hawk Missile System tests at White Sands Missile Range in the 1960′s. One day the Air Force made low altitude supersonic runs on us with a F-111 swing wing fighter–bomber–at max speed.
***
We could see the sonic shock wave kicking up the dust a few hundred meters behind the aircraft as it came in–probably at 100 meters altitude. The sonic boom was tremendous–our instrumentation van–with door open–rocked over 30 degrees to one side and the items in cabinets and on tables fell on the floor. And the backswing dumped us all on our rear ends! The generators and radars shut down since the G.I.’s had failed to shut the doors on the equipment–the shock wave tripped the circuit breakers on them.
***
On the second run all was “buttoned up” and things worked properly. Pass 3 was aborted halfway through the run since these runs really use up the fuel–the plane had to go home early while it could still make the home field.
***
Yes–airplanes really can go like hell at low altitude–for a while! And they really impress the bystanders.
***
John Bibb
***

rocketman on November 13, 2009 at 8:36 PM

QUESTION?

CAN THE 9/11 TRUTHERS LIKE ALEX JONES BE ON THE DEFENSE AND CLAIM “REASONABLE DOUBT” CLAIMING IT WAS BUSH WHO KNOCKED THE TOWERS DOWN NOT KHALEK A BEAK A SHEIK A MOOOSEHAMMED!?

Will Bush be called as a witness. This might make O.J. look like a cake walk.

rednebulastudios on November 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM

You all know the injustice of this decision hurts the American people the most.

KSM is laughing his ass off

Kini on November 13, 2009 at 10:58 PM

The decision of the Obama administration and the Holder Justice Department to bring Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four of his main cohorts to stand trial in US Federal Court is a blunder of monumental proportions. As I see it, once the lawyers and the judges get involved, look for these defendants to walk.

As a DEA agent, I spent my career working with the federal courts in prosecuting drug traffickers. Though I am not a lawyer, I do know the rules of procedure pretty darn well. Unless there are some provisions of the Patriot Act that I don’t know about, this is what I see coming.

Once these defendants are brought to the US, here come the defense lawyers. Here come the motions for discovery of evidence against their clients-including probably, evidence that is sensitive to our intelligence-gathering process including the identities of foreign sources (and informants) who wish to remain secret. What foreign intelligence service is going to want to work with us on terror matters now knowing that they are likely to be divulged in a US Federal Court?

Do you doubt for a moment that the defense lawyers are going to claim their clients’ rights to a speedy trial have been violated since they have been sitting in Gitmo for some 5 years. (Defendants in federal courts have a right to a speedy trial.) How about throwing out the confessions of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed based on the fact that he was water-boarded? Do you really think his confessions are going to hold up? How about evidence gathered from wiretaps not approved and sign off on by some federal judge? How about a challenge for change of venue since New York was the scene of the World Trade Center attack. Obviously, these poor defendants cannot get a fair trial there.

Get ready for a big circus trial in which the defense throws out all the dirt about Bush, Cheney, the Patriot Act, Gitmo, the NSA intercepts, waterboarding and everything else they can think of.

I can really see whoever the judge is assigned to these trials throwing the cases out of court altogether. Even if not, and the defendants are convicted, the appellate courts and the Supreme Court will eventually get involved.

These prisoners in my view are not entitled to anything other a military tribunal. They don’t qualify for the Geneva Convention, and there is no need to hand them over to the federal courts. Is this what we are going to do with every terrorist we capture overseas? Watch our courts get clogged up in a hurry.

The example that should have been followed is the case involving the German saboteurs who landed on our shores in World War II, were captured and tried by military tribunals. (Most were hanged.) That is exactly what should have happened here. Instead, our government now chooses to hand them into the federal court system that may eventually have to kick them free on some legal technicality.

But you know what? I suspect Obama, Holder et al already know this.

gary fouse on November 14, 2009 at 12:28 AM

If the terrorists had been given a military trial, would Obama have to sign their death penalty order? Just wondering.

redwhiteblue on November 14, 2009 at 1:32 AM

If the terrorists actually receive the death penalty in a New York criminal trial, is the death penalty order signed by the governor? Just wondering.

redwhiteblue on November 14, 2009 at 1:35 AM

Hopefully, Obarfy just toasted his chances in 2012. He just lost New York and Pennsylvania, as well as every swing state in the Midwest.

Wilberforce_chick on November 14, 2009 at 2:58 AM

You all know the injustice of this decision hurts the American people the most.

KSM is laughing his ass off

Kini on November 13, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Not sure where this sentiment is coming from. Other countries charge and prosecute terrorists successfully. We have a history of doing this… in New York of all places!

These people are criminals. They deserve to be treated and processed as criminals. If you treat them like an army you are giving them too much respect.

The notion that bringing these people to court will somehow put Americans at risk is utterly preposterous. We have an excellent conviction record already…

lexhamfox on November 14, 2009 at 4:50 AM

I would love to see thousands of New Yorkers march on the federal courthouse the first day of KSM’s trial demanding his release to them after which they’d hang him from the nearest tree or light pole and be done with it.

iceman1960 on November 14, 2009 at 8:19 AM

This administration has no regard for you, me, or anyone except themselves.

How-else can one explain the whim to treat a professed terrorist who has admitted their gilt to the same rights as a U.S. citizen.

Those held at Gitmo are enemy combatants and any lib that thinks otherwise has not done time (in the military or group that demands a high degree of discipline).

MSGTAS on November 14, 2009 at 8:52 AM

KSM is laughing his ass off

Kini on November 13, 2009 at 10:58 PM

And the Taliban are laughing so hard they can’t shoot straight! I guess the death toll will go down, temporarily.

Cybergeezer on November 14, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Even Jimmah Cahta was more patriotic!

Cybergeezer on November 14, 2009 at 9:58 AM

It’s not like NYC hasn’t had these trials before, in fact KSM is facing a similar fate that his nephew faced.

LevStrauss on November 13, 2009 at 11:19 AM

NY has not had a trial of this magnitude. Same type, yes. Same scale no. KSM will draw crazies from everywhere and the defense team will put Bush on trial.

Yeah that makes Bozo happy, but he is stupid and doesn’t see the consequences of his actions, much in the same manner as a spoiled five year old.

dogsoldier on November 14, 2009 at 10:28 AM

A refresher to those who forget.
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(Viewer discretion please)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avapThKUn3s
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An American & New Yorker.

diogenes on November 14, 2009 at 10:46 AM

From HillBuzz:
For our friend Jane, we will do everything in our power to make sure Obama suffers at the ballot box for what he’s doing to New York

Yeah, they swung the election so much in ’08. (sarc) I appreciate their “coming around” to the realities of the dem/marxist party, but they still worship the ground the Clintons walk on. BARF. They’re delusional if they don’t think Hillbilly operates under the same mindset as Oblahblah. And to think that “Big Dawg” is “all that” is sickening.

sabu on November 14, 2009 at 11:14 AM

If, say, the fourth plane made it all the way to its assumed destination and killed some members of congress what kind of court would they try the terrorist in then?

Bruce Hendrix on November 14, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Obama is into Banana Republic stuff, you go after you predecessors to discredit and defame them, maybe ruin their abilities and careers yet. They are doing so by having the trial in the NYC.

We have judges on record that have said they should be released. Hopefully next Prez will by executive order move them back to the Military Tribunals.

father on November 14, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Former Attorney General Michael Mukasey said today that it is highly likely that terrorists will attack New York City as a consequence of the Obama administration’s decision to send five alleged Sept. 11 plotters there for trial in federal court.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/13/bombshell-obama-bringing-ksm-to-nyc-for-trial/

I just read that over at Michelle Malkin’s site. Seems like I’m not the only one who sees this.

dogsoldier on November 14, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Justice for victims of 9/11 terror vs. victims of the Ft. Hood terror attack:

President Barack Obama on Saturday urged Congress to hold off on any investigation of the Fort Hood rampage until federal law enforcement and military authorities have completed their probes into the shootings at the Texas Army post, which left 13 people dead.

On an eight-day Asia trip, Obama turned his attention home and pleaded for lawmakers to “resist the temptation to turn this tragic event into the political theater.” He said those who died on the nation’s largest Army post deserve justice, not political stagecraft.

What a contrast. As these trials progress, Obama and Holder are going to become stage masters of a farcical production with tragic unintended consequences.

ReagansRight on November 14, 2009 at 12:48 PM

You want to know what could happen during the trial? Here’s what could happen, only on a larger scale…

Beslan School Terror

What was going through their minds? “Only one thing: Let it all end soon,” says Zalina, who thought she and her two children would be killed. “When my children fell asleep, I would think, ‘Let it happen to them before they wake.’ ”

As the hours passed into the second day, the hostages were struggling to survive. Elena huddled with her son, Timor.

“When the children and adults couldn’t stand it any longer without water, some started drinking urine. … When I thought I was ready to drink it too, I told my son, ‘I could drink yours.’ He didn’t believe me,” recalls Elena. “I began drinking, from a bottle he had used, covering my nose with my hand. He was looking at me and then said, ‘Mom, leave the last sip for me.’”

It was also difficult for loved ones waiting outside the school. “I couldn’t eat. And my mom couldn’t eat. While this was happening, no one could possibly eat,” says Dariya. “They were thinking, no one who was waiting here for their kids could possibly eat because they know their kids don’t have anything to eat – anything
Zalina was in the gym with her two children, Alana and Alan, and struggled to keep them calm. She had no idea that Aushev had negotiated the release of babies and their mothers. “At first, when they allowed us to take the children out, we were overjoyed, and Alana was too,” recalls Zalina. “But at the entrance to the gym, another terrorist took Alana away from me and told me to go away. I said, ‘I won’t leave, I have a child here.’”

Zalina was forced to choose. Take 2-year-old Alan out to safety and leave Alana, 6, behind. Or stay and risk losing both her children. With Khuchbarov and Aushev watching, the mothers painfully walked out the door. Each of these mothers were leaving an older child behind. One child could be heard crying out, “I want to go with mama.”

What did Zalina see in her daughter’s eyes as she prepared to leave? “Fear, uncertain fear, not knowing what to do,” she says.

Was she able to tell Alana that she loved her before she left? “Yes,” says Zalina. “She said she loved me, too.”

One by one, the mothers left the building. “To leave a child behind, it’s beyond words,” says Zalina. “One has to live through this.”

Eleven mothers carried out 14 babies. At the last moment, a terrorist handed another baby to Aushev. The boy’s mother couldn’t leave her older child behind.

Elena will never forget, or forgive, those terrorists: “They are not human. And there is no place for them on this earth.”

“I saw two large dead women lying at an angle. I tucked my daughter under them and lay on top of her, shielding her from subsequent explosions,” says Sergei.

“After the explosion, there was a pile of dead children’s bodies, and then complete silence,” says Elena, who couldn’t locate her son. “All the children looked the same.”

Only 12 seconds passed since that first explosion.

“I got up. I lifted my daughter, stepped over guts, legs, body parts,” says Sergei. “And I went through the mess. All those wounded, I couldn’t help them. God forgive me

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/20/48hours/main668127.shtml

lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Spot on…

What if 2 or 3 Beslan’s happened and a flight was arranged for these terrorists to return to their homelands?

Has it happened before.

Sure, has foreign governments, India, have arranged for planes and vehicles for captured terrorists to flee.

father on November 14, 2009 at 1:38 PM

So why bother to try the 9/11 “suspects” in the Big Apple at all?

I’ll go with the “lets try Bush” by proxy plan.

Who is the prosecutor in this case?

Preet Bharara

Who is Preet Bharara?

Preet Bharara, was appointed U.S. Attorney for NY’s Southern District by Obama.
Preet Bharara IS a political appointee.

Preet Bharara, WAS Sen. Chuck Schumer’s chief counsel on the Senate Judiciary.

What is Preet Bharara “claim to fameYour gonna love this, ready?

Bharara made his name as the Senate staffer who helped drive Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez from office by uncovering and investigating the Bush Administration’s firing of prosecutors for allegedly political purposes.

Yes-ser-re bob!

Preet Bharara, who is NOW a political appointee, discovered that political appointees are appointed to political position by politicians AND politics plays a roll in who politicians appoint to political positions.

Ya just can’t make this stuff up.

DSchoen on November 14, 2009 at 2:59 PM

The notion that bringing these people to court will somehow put Americans at risk is utterly preposterous. We have an excellent conviction record already…
lexhamfox on November 14, 2009 at 4:50 AM

Lets see, “We have a history of doing this… in New York of all places!” .

Your talking about the 13 or so that were prosecuted for the 93 WTC bombing?

13 or so out of 174 indicted (including OBL and KSM) is successful?

From that trial we learned how we tracked em down, what are tactics were and were not.

Ya know who else learned how we tracked em down, what are tactics were and were not?

OBL and KSM, along with the entire world.

Perhaps it escaped you, but that info helped AQ and all avoid capture, meaning all those thousands of deaths as a result of AQ and all, are a direct casualty of those “successful trials”.

Before you bring up Nurembreg note the war was OVER when those trials took place.

Utterly preposterous?

Its utterly preposterous to think you can read the future.

It’s utterly preposterous to ignore the past.

DSchoen on November 14, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Ya just can’t make this stuff up.

DSchoen on November 14, 2009 at 2:59 PM

unstinkingbelievable

*shaking the head*

cmsinaz on November 14, 2009 at 5:20 PM

So if I was a terrorist, I’d just sit tight for the next ten years or so while they sort out all the motions and after the trial, at the sentencing phase, when they bring in all the 9/11 families to testify, I’d blow the courthouse sky high. Thank goodness I’m not a terrorist.

God willing, Obama will be a history lesson by 2012 and we will have moved these goons back to Gitmo, where we will be conducting their tribunals in the courthouse we only spent how many years and how many millions of tax dollars building.

BOStinks

gopmom on November 14, 2009 at 5:47 PM

BOStinks

gopmom on November 14, 2009 at 5:47 PM

I could not have said it better with the way I feel tonight after reading the days news.

Miss Molly on November 14, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Maybe tomorrow morning the guards at Gitmo will be shocked, shocked to find that KSM and all of his cronies have hanged themselves in their cells to protest this change of venue?

Inshallah.

profitsbeard on November 15, 2009 at 1:45 AM

Is there a public building in NYC that has a lobby that has really dark wood paneling done in large squares,plus a large gold sunburst clock on the wall? I’m only asking because for a couple of weeks, I’ve had the same dream each night of there being some kind of big fight there. Some stories up, there was a group of women looking down from a balcony and screaming. I usually do not remember my dreams,and I’m sorry if this sounds wierd,but it just won’t go away.I know I’ll get creamed by the usual nasties but I have to ask it.

lizzee on November 15, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Criminal act vs. act of war.

Liberals it would seem can’t tell the difference… and that is dangerous for us all.

Yakko77 on November 15, 2009 at 10:19 PM

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