Bush AG Mukasey rips Obama over KSM decision
posted at 5:56 pm on November 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
No word yet from the Cheneys. They must be brewing something sweet.
Speaking at the Federalist Society’s National Lawyers Convention, Mukasey described the move, as “a decision I consider not only unwise, but based on a refusal to face the fact that what we are involved with here is a war with people who follow a religiously-based ideology that calls on them to kill us, and to return instead to the mindset that prevailed before Sept. 11 that acts like the first World Trade Center bombing, the attacks on our embassies in Africa and other such acts can and should be treated as conventional crimes and tried in conventional courts.”
Describing a pattern of decisions made since the the Obama administration pledged in January to close Guantanamo Bay prison within a year, Mukasey said that, “What’s followed has seemed in many instances to be a system in which policy is fashioned to fit and proceed rhetoric rather than being thought out in advance with arguments then formulated in support of it.”…
The difficulty of trying terror suspects through civilian courts, he said, is that the discovery process, the public presentation of evidence, and other elements of a trial “could turn a criminal proceeding into a cornucopia of information for those still at large and a circus for those in custody.”
He pointed out that when capturing the enemy combatants, pieces of information “were not gathered, nor was evidence gathered, on the assumption that they would be presented in a federal court.”
There would also be tremendous security issues involved with making sure that courthouses, jails, the judge and jury, were all safe.
Much more at the link. The problem with starting late in the day when a big story’s already broken is that the best rants have already been written and the best points have already been made, so let me just ask this: Given the fact that there’s zero chance of KSM going free, what’s the point of having a trial?
The political calculation here, I assume, is that Mohammed’s virtually certain to be convicted; even a jury of bleeding-heart Manhattanites isn’t likely to spring the guy who’s been known as the mastermind of 9/11 for upwards of a decade, especially with the courthouse a five-minute walk from Ground Zero. So The One figures that, even if all the tainted evidence is thrown out, he’ll still get a conviction and then he can crow about having been right all along about prosecuting terrorists in civilian courts. But assuming that 1,000 to 1 shot of an acquittal comes through, what then? There’s no earthly way Obama would let him go. He’d be finished politically, as would the Democrats for the foreseeable future, and no Democratic president would be trusted again on national security for the next 50 years. The “blame Bush” gambit wouldn’t work either: Try as the left might to claim that it’s all Dubya’s fault for having obtained tainted evidence under duress, the hard fact of the matter is that we had this turd locked away at Gitmo and Obama let him go.
So he can’t let him go, but then what are his other options? Defying the verdict outright and insisting on re-imprisoning KSM regardless is a non-starter, as it would not only provoke a constitutional crisis but reveal what a sham the whole process was all along. Presumably they’d either come up with some pretext to send him back to jail (e.g., “Um, there’s another crime we think he committed so we’re going to try him for that … eventually”) or they’d extradite him somewhere where he’s wanted for terrorism. One possibility: Pakistan, where he’s been implicated, via both his own confession and video evidence, in the murder of Daniel Pearl. The Pakistanis wouldn’t want the headache of trying him, but they’re already in for a penny with their military assault on the Taliban so they might as well be in for a pound with KSM. Besides, we have plenty of leverage over them in the form of civil and military aid. If The One needs them to bail him out by making this guy go away for good, he has strings he can pull.
The real worry isn’t that KSM will go free it’s that some of his lesser-known cohorts, to whom the public might be willing the give the benefit of doubt, might. I can only assume Obama and Holder have got plenty of non-tainted evidence against the whole crew, because the risks here — of terrorists targeting NYC during the trial, of KSM and company turning it into a soapbox to rail against America — are tremendous.










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Arrest … warrant … fair trial. These all have to do with crime and punishment. KSM is a terrorist. He wasn’t arrested, he was captured. There was no need for a warrant. The only trial he should get is a military tribunal.
What was it the 9/11 Commission said? They were at war with us, but we were not at war with them.
tom on November 13, 2009 at 6:41 PM
Sadly there are probably any number of sympathetic character witnesses and willing jurors ready to throw the trials.
fourdeucer on November 13, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Yes, Bush’s rock solid approval ratings among the base during his Presidency, and conservative’s continued subservience (Just look at NY-23 !!!!!) shows that we’re incapable of thinking for ourselves.
You’re totally winning this argument.
BadgerHawk on November 13, 2009 at 6:43 PM
He’s not arguing…by his own admission. He’s just spinning…and failing.
AUINSC on November 13, 2009 at 6:44 PM
The Bush Administration may end up looking even better than it does now, by the time these jerks get around to trying the Gitmo jerks. Odds are, unfortunately, that there will be additional terroist attacks in the US before any such trial.
GaltBlvnAtty on November 13, 2009 at 6:45 PM
And you’re totally making an ass out of yourself. You’re missing the larger point here.
Norman Blizter on November 13, 2009 at 6:45 PM
I saw this on Rush’s site
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html
macncheez on November 13, 2009 at 6:46 PM
In 1950, the Supreme Court, in Johnson v. Eisentrager, had this to say about granting our enemies access to U.S. civilian courts:
They had it right then. As years pass by, apparently so does our common sense.
Erich66 on November 13, 2009 at 6:47 PM
The jury of KSM’s peers
scroll down
macncheez on November 13, 2009 at 6:48 PM
It doesn’t appear that you’ve made a larger point, but if you want to give it a shot I’m all ears. Petty name-calling is a waste of time for both parties.
BadgerHawk on November 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Hey Norm,
After 9/11, those idiots successfully prevented any more attacks on American soil. Since Bambi took over, there have been two – Arkansas and Ft. Hood. But don’t let facts get in your way.
I really, REALLY hope KSM is acquitted. Bye-bye, Democrat majorites. Bye-bye, Democrat President.
Hello, Sanity.
misterpeasea on November 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM
You must be irony-immune. “Thinking for yourself” means considering the issue on its merits, and thinking about the benefits and consequences. “I’ll trust Obama” is a statement that requires zero thought.
You don’t even seem to realize you’re contradicting yourself.
tom on November 13, 2009 at 6:50 PM
Yeah, he told me I’m missing his larger point, but on page one he said he wasn’t making an argument.
He’s having a tough time spinning this one.
BadgerHawk on November 13, 2009 at 6:55 PM
The only one missing would be Michael Moore. Maybe as a backup juror.
fourdeucer on November 13, 2009 at 6:56 PM
This trial is a political one and has nothing to do with the murders he participated in. Chicago thug style till the end. I think this will enrage New Yorkers and work against the Dhimmicrats.
Mojave Mark on November 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Absolutely not. It’s shocking how little Americans know about their own system of government, their own Constitution. The Bill of Rights protects American citizens from this kind of treatment. The Bill of Rights does not apply to foreigners.
And it was AN ACT OF WAR!
I’m getting a bit frustrated with my fellow citizens.
misterpeasea on November 13, 2009 at 6:59 PM
I was 21 for just over 3 weeks when 8/11 happened and I immediately knew we would have to go to war because I remembered the USS Cole, the embassy bombings and the original WTC bombing were all connected to the same familiar names – Al Qaeda and Bin Laden. I figured this all out quickly at 21 when I was just starting to truly pay attention to international affairs and Obama still hasn’t figured it out.
Daemonocracy on November 13, 2009 at 6:59 PM
This may not be real good for our NY citizens, who likely now will be targeted for this additional reason. I wonder what impact that threat will have on the jury?
GaltBlvnAtty on November 13, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Y’all know we can trust Holder and Obama MORE than we can trust our own Army. What’s the problem?
Cybergeezer on November 13, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Let me throw a twist in here. If there are going to be civilian trials for captured terrorists; will the terrorists circuit shop and now concentrate their efforts in the ninth circuit?
meci on November 13, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Yeah, he told me I’m missing his larger point, but on page one he said he wasn’t making an argument.
He’s having a tough time spinning this one.
BadgerHawk on November 13, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Is he shame-immune, too? I guess the next comment will tell us…
tom on November 13, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Today, Obama and Osama are… one.
TXUS on November 13, 2009 at 7:09 PM
His running away from this thread would indicate that he does indeed know the concept of shame.
BadgerHawk on November 13, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Which is exactly why the guy may go free — there’s virtually no possibility of a fair trial in NYC. The grandstanding in setting the venue for the trial in NYC is for naught — it’s got to be moved.
This is all White House kabuki theater, and I’ll double down on a smart defense seizing upon that fact. All they need is one juror.
unclesmrgol on November 13, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Since KSM’s trial will not be televised live on TruTv, Micheal Moore will endup with the rights to film the trial while its on , inside the court-room. Then he’ll release it as a documentary, supporting jihad and bashing Bush. With appropriate “editing” ofcourse
macncheez on November 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM
What Bush Inherited, and What He Left Left Behind [Victor Davis Hanson]
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OWYzNWE3ZGZjN2IxMmRiZmZkMDkyZDMxNmQ4ZGFhZTk=
lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Goodness, I hadn’t thought of that.
Kralizec on November 13, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Prediction – Jury selection to begin in … 2013.
darkpixel on November 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Is there no scenario in which a judge might be forced to let him walk? Agreed it’s doubtful, but still…
flipflop on November 13, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Obama will take it from every side if it looks like the trial’s being delayed for political reasons.
flipflop on November 13, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Yep. Thanks for the clarification.
JellyToast on November 13, 2009 at 7:49 PM
There is always a chance…just consider a Charlie Sheen as the jury foreman.
betsyz on November 13, 2009 at 8:23 PM
This trial is of America.
KSM is just the means.
Suck on it, Obama voters.
profitsbeard on November 13, 2009 at 8:44 PM
That’s awesome.
And Mukasey very eloquently burned the Barry. That was like, effortlessly brutal. I would love to hear what Cheney has to say about it. I hope this doesn’t make Mukasey a racist.
Dork B. on November 13, 2009 at 8:47 PM
chickasaw42 on November 13, 2009 at 8:56 PM
That’s definitely the best I’ve seen today.
For awhile, I thought Obambi had one thing he somehow wasn’t going to F’up: Afghanistan/War on Terror. Apparently he just hadn’t gotten around to it.
2ipa on November 13, 2009 at 9:08 PM
AP- you have a remarkably optimistic view of the determination and competence of Obama and his cohorts to put together a concrete case against KSM.
Jay Mac on November 13, 2009 at 9:41 PM
The whole thing is absurd. They are doing tribunals right now, and they were going to do KSM’s as well, before Obama changed the venue. They should have just given him his day in a military court and then sent him to his virgins.
Terrye on November 13, 2009 at 9:42 PM
C-SPAN has the video here.
Jobius on November 13, 2009 at 11:02 PM
I can see you haven’t fully figured out yet that Norman hasn’t developed psychologically beyond the age of 4.
Look again at his inability to make coherent statements/arguments, and then try telling me I’m wrong.
Bizarro No. 1 on November 14, 2009 at 12:34 AM
It’s true he knows shame, but not like you or me.
The little boy got caught with his hand in the cookie jar again, pulled it out while denying it was ever there, then apologized when we pulled out the video of it being there, and then stuck his tongue at us while saying that he never had his hand in the jar in the first place after we turned the tape off.
Bizarro No. 1 on November 14, 2009 at 12:48 AM
I ain’t running away from anything. I made my point and that’s it. Grow up and move on BadgerHawk.
You fools don’t know what your’re talking about and thus I refuse to discuss the matter any further.
Norman Blizter on November 14, 2009 at 2:31 AM
Norman–don’t let the door hit you in the a$$–it might hurt your brains!
lovingmyUSA on November 14, 2009 at 4:07 AM
I watched Mukasey/Federalist Society on C-SPAN last night. Longing for days gone by, listening to a rational and Constitutionally coherent former Attorney General sum things up:
If a poll were taken of all living former US Attorney Generals regarding this Obama decision, who among them all would defend the worst judicial decision any POTUS to date has determined?
BTW, that C-SPAN program was followed by the Canadian Supreme Court trashing the US while arguing their 9/11 Muslim citizen terrorist’s request/demand to be returned to Canada.
The Canadian Justices raked their government’s attorney over the coals repeating the same line of questioning to get the same answers over and over and over. I lost patience.
When I returned, the terrorist’s defense attorney submitted a report that the judges determined inapplicable for the present proceeding since the attorney could not give any synopsis as to its content, if any new material was being introduced. Yet they allowed this “report” to be the attorney’s ludicrous argument as substantiating proof of what he had no substance to claim.
Where the Canadian justices had been repudiating the government’s attorney whose argument was succinctly in form with their Constitution as he expounded, they bent over backwards to not berate the defendant’s attorney whose argument was based upon his “report” submitted which he himself could neither outline nor defend, merely regurgitate that its contents proved XYZ without doubt.
maverick muse on November 14, 2009 at 8:06 AM
“In 3-7 years, Obama’s success will prove what an utter idiot you are right now”
Do you know something the CBO doesn’t? NOTHING this President is doing right now will contribute in any way to anything that resembles a success.
stevezilla on November 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM
“America we support your war of terror”-Borat
It took a comedian to correctly describe things
Spathi on November 14, 2009 at 12:35 PM
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