Video: The obligatory “Carrie Prejean melts down on Larry King” clip

posted at 5:34 pm on November 12, 2009 by Allahpundit

Yeah, I know, almost all of you have seen it already. But (a) there’s always that one hungover reader who just woke up, (b) it’s funny enough to warrant a second viewing anyway, and (c) it gives me an excuse to post the clip from her appearance on last night’s “Red Eye” too, when Gutfeld asks her to rate how hot the secret sex tape is on a scale from one to 10. Question: Is this the moment when the tide officially turned against CP, even among conservatives? Glenn Beck and his crew were riffing about her this morning and she ended up canceling a bunch of media appearances, presumably out of humiliation over the King fiasco. If it is the end, it’s probably the best thing that could happen to her. As Dan Calabrese says, Conservative Icon Prison is no place for a 22-year-old:

You and I think hypocrisy is when you say one thing and do another. Prejean upset the likes of Perez Hilton by saying that marriage is between a man and a woman. So what would make her a hypocrite? If she married another woman, of course. (Or if she, say, performed a wedding ceremony between the aforementioned Mr. Hilton and, er, maybe, Jon Gosselin.)

Then she would be a hypocrite as you and I define it. But that’s not the definition that applies here.

The definition that applies here works like this: She is a conservative and a Christian. Conservatives and Christians are judgmental prudes who a) claim to be perfect; and b) judge everyone else for not being perfect. So it doesn’t matter that she never denounced topless photos. It doesn’t matter that she never denounced “sex tapes.” Every prudish, judgmental belief that has ever been imagined by a critic of Christians and conservatives is hereby ascribed to Carrie Prejean. Anything she has ever done in contradiction of these imagined beliefs thereby proves her hypocrisy.

Conclusion: Gay marriage is awesome. And all because TMZ has a video of Carrie Prejean masturbating. It’s good to be alive.

Ain’t it the truth. To balance your reading, Big Hollywood has an interview of Prejean by Lynn Vincent, a.k.a. Sarah Palin’s collaborator on “Going Rogue.” I recommend it, but more for Vincent’s introduction about being demagogued as a raging homophobe by Andrew Sullivan than for the interview itself. Don’t take it personally, Lynn. It was just your turn.


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What is a Carrie Prejean?

Fed45 on November 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Thank you for being the definer of what it means to be a Christian

Conservative Voice on November 12, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Oh, I get it. I see now. You’re a Mormon. Oh, now it makes sense. The Bible says Mormons aren’t Christians and you don’t like that. Well get used to it because God’s Word doesn’t change no matter how many books the LDS church tries to replace it with. By the way, where are those golden plates that angel Moroni supposedly gave to Joseph Smith??

apacalyps on November 12, 2009 at 7:35 PM

I guess I just dont get it. The misogyny about this woman is breath taking.

Carrie Prejean didn’t melt down on Larry King. He broke the prearranged agreement that stipulated the questions. King wouldn’t ask about the settlement and Prejean wouldn’t have to talk to phone in callers.

Larry King was being a douchenozzle, got called on it and Prejean was more than polite enough about enforcing their agreement.

This video was edited to remove the explanation of why Prejean was walking (phone in caller).

Hardly a “meltdown”.

PoliTech on November 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM

Fuck you, Allahpundit.

How about that?

Jim Treacher on November 12, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Jim, are you ok?

Do you need an aspirin? Maalox? Maybe a Snickers?

You seem a little … upset?

Joe Pyne on November 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM

I am so sick of the meme that Christians think they are perfect and that’s why they tell everyone else how to live. NO IDIOTS! We KNOW WE AREN’T PERFECT. But just because we are morally flawed, and fail to live up to the moral standards we believe in doesn’t make us hypocrites, it makes us human, in need of forgiveness, and striving to be better.

Society seems to think what we need to do is just throw out moral standards, since people have such a hard time meeting them all the time. The right thing is STILL the right thing EVEN after you screw up and do the wrong thing.

Truth doesn’t change just because you got caught in a lie. Morality doesn’t change just because you got caught being immoral.

If your standards are only as high as your behavior, then my friend, you are just another loser liberal who thinks whatever you want to do is all you should hold to.

As a Christian myself, who’s failed in many ways more often that I can count, I still hold high the standards. NOT because I HAVE MET THEM, but because Jesus SET THEM. My failings don’t suddenly render standards false or unworthy of extolling.

flyfishingdad on November 12, 2009 at 7:45 PM

I love how they took Larry’s camera view off and then went wide on her for the potential walk-off. Now as far as healthcare goes, who is keeping Larry King alive? My god. They must keep him in a cryogenic tank some place along side Dick Clark.

johnnyU on November 12, 2009 at 7:46 PM

apacalyps on November 12, 2009 at 7:35 PM

how funny, because I challenge your Christianhood…you must challenge my religion and tell lies about it. ( Fact the Book of Mormon doesn’t replace the Bible…as we still read the Bible as scripture )
I am Mormon, proud of it, thanks for again proving to everyone that you are not a Christian, but a stone thrower who thinks that if he tears down someone’s beliefs that somehow that makes his religion more true.

Conservative Voice on November 12, 2009 at 7:50 PM

God, I hope you’re being sarcastic. I think you get the “hypocrite” tag even if you JUST skank yourself out with boob jobs paid for by the pageant system, and then you try to sell yourself as a conduit of morality, and oh, whoops- forgot about that truly idiotic sextape you sent off to a guy with the morals of a snake. This is a trashy girl who wanted to be famous at any cost, she just jumped on the “conservative” bus when it suited the situation.

anniekc on November 12, 2009 at 6:28 PM

I see 3 fingers pointing back at you as you say that. You are simply not a nice person.

Bizarro No. 1 on November 12, 2009 at 7:51 PM

She’s very pretty, and I like her for being gutsy, but her inexperience is, and has been, showing. Her ambitions seem to be outrunning her maturity. Too bad for her — I think she’s really a nice kid.

mr.blacksheep on November 12, 2009 at 7:04 PM

That’s

exactly

how I see it.

Bizarro No. 1 on November 12, 2009 at 7:55 PM

The definition that applies here works like this: She is a conservative and a Christian. Conservatives and Christians are judgmental prudes who a) claim to be perfect; and b) judge everyone else for not being perfect.

What a bunch of garbage! Jesus came to seek and save the lost. He didn’t come to condemn the world but that the world might be saved through him (John 3:17). Christians are about their Father’s business, not judging but endeavoring to introduce people to Christ. This guy’s been watching too many Hollywood stereotypes of Christians. He should meet a few. Oh and Allah, thanks for the “So true” agreement with him.

Christian Conservative on November 12, 2009 at 7:56 PM

I should think that Mr. Treacher has the better of the argument, just from what little I know of this business.

happyfeet on November 12, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Yeah, I know, almost all of you have seen it already. But (a) there’s always that one hungover reader who just woke up

How dare you call me on the carpet in front of everyone! Actually, I take that back… not because it’s not true, but because I don’t make a habit of using phrases when I don’t know their origins. WTF is “called on the carpet”?

Anyway, I have no beef with Prejean the woman, but I do believe she has been an embarrassment since someone decided to turn her in to a conservative hero.

Was she treated wrong for her answer during the pageant? Yeah. And even though she was on the right side of the debate, did she articulate her position clearly? No. That should have been a clue to stop her media circus short. Every time this girl opens her mouth she makes Palin look like a genius in the Charlie Gibson interview (and I say that as one of Palin’s biggest fans, but come on… that was bad.)

The point is, this girl shouldn’t be and should never have been set up as an icon. Are boob jobs to win pageants conservative… or even Christian values? Add to that the nude pictures… Now the solo-show tape. Time to go Carrie, your time is up.

RightWinged on November 12, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Pay no mind to apacalyps, I thought that Huckatroll was going to go after Huckashmuck finally left the 2008 race, but I was wrong. Ignore his Huckabigotry.

BKennedy on November 12, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Her only mistake was not walking out of the studio the second she got the wires off of her. King is a dolt.

The Reasonable Man on November 12, 2009 at 6:08 PM

I dunno about those mikes and audio ppl put the guests on, but darn, they’re like shackles! Cables on the side, earset, the one that runs all the way down to the waist (must be from the ear cable), plus the mini-mike that pinches on clothing. Look at Hannity, he looks like SS bodyguard! She would have needed some help, unless y’all wanted a “live” show on the show.

I wanna ask you guys…why in the world do you not feel like hunting down the jackass, find where he lives, how much money he got from WHOM, he is at Levi’s levels right now! I know this is not a case of a “damisel in distress” but there are no Prince Charmings here!/?sarc

ProudPalinFan on November 12, 2009 at 8:06 PM

I’m sick of her. She’s kinda hot though.

iamse7en on November 12, 2009 at 8:07 PM

I see 3 fingers pointing back at you as you say that. You are simply not a nice person.

Bizarro No. 1 on November 12, 2009 at 7:51 PM

Sorry Toots, no dice. Somehow I managed to get through 40 years of life without making a sex tape, having a pageant paid boob job, and defining myself with situational morals. I don’t care if you want to idolize Carrie Prejean, just be honest about what you are defending. She’s been exposed for being less than what you’ve fantasized about- unless all you’ve given her credit for was being very, very pretty.

anniekc on November 12, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Yeah, I know, almost all of you have seen it already. But (a) there’s always that one hungover reader who just woke up,

I’m not hungover, I just wasn’t paying attention, honest.

Dollayo on November 12, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Good time to start a private eye agency for those wanting to earn cash. There will be work for you to do, because it is time to play Global Thermonuclear War.

Horatius on November 12, 2009 at 6:18 PM

AIIIGGHHTT…. J.O.S.H.U.A. says, “Greetings, Mr. Faulken!”

ProudPalinFan on November 12, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Carrie: Don’t look for an ” knights in shining armour ” to come to your rescue.

donh525 on November 12, 2009 at 6:56 PM

especially on this board.

ProudPalinFan on November 12, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Liberals love Conservative Christians and Conservative Christianity’s relationship to Conservativism. It is a big target, easy to hit and it works wonders.

Holger on November 12, 2009 at 8:15 PM

anniekc on November 12, 2009 at 8:07 PM

good for you, now put down the stone will ya

Conservative Voice on November 12, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Sorry Toots, no dice. Somehow I managed to get through 40 years of life without making a sex tape, having a pageant paid boob job, and defining myself with situational morals. I don’t care if you want to idolize Carrie Prejean, just be honest about what you are defending. She’s been exposed for being less than what you’ve fantasized about- unless all you’ve given her credit for was being very, very pretty.

anniekc on November 12, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Idolizing and defending are two entirely different things. I’ll defend her from trashing by people like you but certainly don’t idolize her. You’re an exceptional person having gone through 40 years of life perfectly. You know about glass houses don’t you?

donh525 on November 12, 2009 at 8:18 PM

I love how they took Larry’s camera view off and then went wide on her for the potential walk-off. Now as far as healthcare goes, who is keeping Larry King alive? My god. They must keep him in a cryogenic tank some place along side Dick Clark.

johnnyU on November 12, 2009 at 7:46 PM

That’s why Rush calls him “Larry King Alive”. I mean look at all the dead he has covered…I said it again with Michael Jackson….”And he’s still alive!”

ProudPalinFan on November 12, 2009 at 8:19 PM

I don’t get how that is a meltdown. She did not play the old fool’s game of trying to trap her or back her in a corner.

When he tried to play Perez Hilton and come with a gay shill phone questioner she rightfully pulled the plug.

Zero question King’s producers put that call first to make headlines and she was too smart to take the bait.

Meltdown AP, WTH, really!

FireBlogger on November 12, 2009 at 8:19 PM

I’ll defend her from trashing by people like you but certainly don’t idolize her. You’re an exceptional person having gone through 40 years of life perfectly. You know about glass houses don’t you?

donh525 on November 12, 2009 at 8:18 PM

People like me?? Screw you buddy.

anniekc on November 12, 2009 at 8:27 PM

how funny, because I challenge your Christianhood…you must challenge my religion and tell lies about it.

Conservative Voice on November 12, 2009 at 7:50 PM

That’s about the only thing you’ve said that’s true. “(Apacalyps) because I challenge your Christianhood…” Did you catch that? You message me first. You attack me first. I never said a word until you attacked my “Christianhood” as you put it, and when I strike back to defend myself you then turn around and accuse me of attacking you! Lol, it’s hillarious.

(Fact the Book of Mormon doesn’t replace the Bible…as we still read the Bible as scripture )

You’re either a liar or ignorant of LDS doctrine. Joseph Smith said, “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.” (History of the Church, Vol. 4, page 461). Mormons consider the Book of Mormon to be the most important book — more so than the Holy Bible which they believe has errors.

I am Mormon, proud of it, thanks for again proving to everyone that you are not a Christian,

You’re welcome to be a Mormon, however, you need to understand you’re not talking of the God of the Bible.

but a stone thrower who thinks that if he tears down someone’s beliefs that somehow that makes his religion more true.

I’m defending my Lord against Joseph Smith who was a lying cheating sod with a magic stone and and some golden plates and some books he wrote for Satan. And believe it or not, I care about you and don’t want you to end up in hell for following a false god and I believe that’s is what’s happening.

apacalyps on November 12, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Jim Treacher on November 12, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Funniest thing I have ever read on this site. To AP’s credit it remains.

LMAO

FireBlogger on November 12, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Glenn Beck can be extremely adolescent at times.

chalons on November 12, 2009 at 6:51 PM

I love Glenn, Stu, and Pat, and I’ve never really liked the “what did you expect” type of argument: but Beck is a guy who spent most of his career as a “Morning Zoo” type of DJ. I kind of like a kinder, gentler, with more taste morning zoo type of show, that gets me rolling.

But, I agree with your statement. I also think that Beck is quite bright, even though I cringe sometimes when he’s making a bad argument on national TV.

Axeman on November 12, 2009 at 8:38 PM

Jim Treacher on November 12, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Funniest thing I have ever read on this site. To AP’s credit it remains.

LMAO

FireBlogger on November 12, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Yeah that got a guffaw out of me as well.

Axeman on November 12, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Conservative Christians are in a bind. They point to the Ten Commandments and other biblical laws whenever a politician has an affair, or when Elders talked about teaching kids Masturbation as a form of sexual abstinence or in many other cases.

It doesn’t matter if all do or ever did. There is the appearance of that thanks to that Judge who wanted the Ten Commandments in the Court House, Texas school boards fighting against teaching a Scientific Theory because it violates their Creation Myth, going after politicians who engage in adultery, The Fort Hood Witch Hunt and many other cases.

They now must follow those laws or are Hypocrites which is the quickest way to discredit an argument, fallacious way of doing so but it is very effective.

Holger on November 12, 2009 at 8:42 PM

Fuck you, Allahpundit.

How about that?

Jim Treacher on November 12, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Staaaaaaaaaay classy, big guy.

You-Eh-Vee on November 12, 2009 at 8:43 PM

The thing is that this “Hot Air” website place has treated Meghan’s coward daddy’s strumpet daughter with way a lot more respect than this Carrie person and I can’t think of a good reason for that.

happyfeet on November 12, 2009 at 8:47 PM

if I truly believed the Bible had been corrupted by men who had removed “plain and precious” truths from it, I’d reject the whole thing as not trustworthy and not have one in my house…

splink on November 12, 2009 at 8:00 PM

That’s right. Mormons think the book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible. Well, if that’s true then how can you trust the Bible? Because if you believe it has errors then you can never be sure that what you’re reading was from god (ie, the Mormon god). Thank the Lord Christians don’t have this problem. We believe that the Bible is the inspired, inherent, and infallible Word of God.

apacalyps on November 12, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Idolizing and defending are two entirely different things. I’ll defend her from trashing by people like you but certainly don’t idolize her. You’re an exceptional person having gone through 40 years of life perfectly. You know about glass houses don’t you?

donh525 on November 12, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Same for me. I see her as unfairly targeted by the pageant, but don’t really care past that. She sexted her boyfriend? She’s not a role model, but she can be given time and owning up to bad behavior–and serving as an example of what not to do.

How can the other side doubt the description of “Political Correctness” after what happened to her after being asked about her opinion and her giving it.

Axeman on November 12, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Oh, and for those of you who don’t know, the Bible is your (B)asic (I)nstructions (B)efore (L)eaving (E)arth. You really ought to read the Book because you’re going to be gone an awfully long time. I mean, when you leave here there’s no comin’ back. So you better make sure you’re goin’ to the right spot …OK.

apacalyps on November 12, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Seriously, how would you react if a guy kept asking you over and over and over and over and over again about something you refused to talk about? Where does the conversation go? How do you proceed?

She made it clear she would not talk about it.

I admit, it would have been far better for her to just sit there and stare at him in silence, then say “I’m waiting for you to ask me a question I’m willing to answer. You haven’t done that yet.”

Larry King is an old experienced hand at getting people’s goats, and he sure got hers. She should have known he would badger her about it repeatedly and the more she resisted talking about it the more forceful he would get in his questioning.

Live and learn, Carrie.

manofaiki on November 12, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Sorry Toots, no dice. Somehow I managed to get through 40 years of life without making a sex tape, having a pageant paid boob job, and defining myself with situational morals. I don’t care if you want to idolize Carrie Prejean, just be honest about what you are defending. She’s been exposed for being less than what you’ve fantasized about- unless all you’ve given her credit for was being very, very pretty.

anniekc on November 12, 2009 at 8:07 PM

LOL clueless, shoot-first-ask-no-questions-later know-it-alls like you make me laugh!

Sorry, sweetums, nothing you said here makes me change my opinion that you aren’t a nice person whose nastiness was provoked by CP. In fact, your post merely reinforced it (not that my observation needed any – your negative, shallow nature was all-too obvious). Thanks for trying though! Better luck next time, honey?!

Bizarro No. 1 on November 12, 2009 at 8:50 PM

apacalyps on November 12, 2009 at 8:29 PM

I didn’t attack your church, I judged you based on your behavior. But you go right ahead and continue show how Christian you are. And I will go ahead and say Carrie Prejean is MORE of a Christian than you.

Conservative Voice on November 12, 2009 at 8:50 PM

Liberal men are bigger woman haters than a Saudi Arabian sheik if the woman is a conservative. Sean Hannity would never have insulted a liberal beauty pageant person if they said something pro-gay marriage.

Speedwagon82 on November 12, 2009 at 8:52 PM

apacalyps on November 12, 2009 at 8:29 PM

And for the record, we believe in both the Book of Mormon and the Bible. The Bible is still held in high regard…but go ahead and continue with your logical fallacy that somehow proving my religion to be false by your standard, that it somehow makes your religion more true.

Here is a hint, you can’t prove religion, short of being God, its considered Faith for a reason.

Conservative Voice on November 12, 2009 at 8:54 PM

Pay no mind to apacalyps, I thought that Huckatroll was going to go after Huckashmuck finally left the 2008 race, but I was wrong. Ignore his Huckabigotry.

BKennedy on November 12, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Another “drive-by smear” by BKennedy. Never showing me where I’m wrong. No, no, just calls me names. You are a big coward. By the way, how come you post with a hockey mask on? What you say is scary enough.

apacalyps on November 12, 2009 at 8:57 PM

I don’t see this young woman as an icon of anything. She’s a 22-year-old who was foolish enough to get caught up in the storm of today’s beauty pageant, which Trump has turned into quite a show. His pageant is known for being crass and all about money.

I still don’t see why she can’t be both Christian and ambitious for herself. It’s really not contradictory. I don’t think being Christian means she can’t have a boob job. They are really pretty common these days. And I am fairly sure that most Christians aren’t really virgins much longer than the usual girl.

I think the left insists on some kind of purity standards that is just a set-up for failure.

AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 9:02 PM

I didn’t attack your church, I judged you based on your behavior.

Conservative Voice on November 12, 2009 at 8:50 PM

Liar. You attacked me first saying that I was not a Christian. I take offense to that. Now, I’ve asked you here repeatedly to show me what I’ve said that is not scriptura? I’m waiting. Back up your claim with evidence or shut up!

apacalyps on November 12, 2009 at 9:04 PM

Well, the liberals have turned us on each other which is what they want. Divide and conquer.

Look, she’s a young woman caught up in a maelstrom due to a response she gave that didn’t fit the mold. She is not some saint, she has made mistakes.

Why are we not furious over the fact that when someone steps up to defend one of our principles, they are torn apart by the media and Hollywood for not being the perfect Christian. Well there is no perfect Christian. Nowadays, liberal Christianity says that nothing is a sin, what matters is that you are a “good person”.

Many of us fell into that trap, why should we be surprised that others do as well.

Whatever she has done in her past, stupid though it may be, she does not deserve the flak that she is getting. And, though we may be embarrassed by some of those things, she deserves to be defended.

Jvette on November 12, 2009 at 9:08 PM

flyfishingdad on November 12, 2009 at 7:45 PM

*Applauds*

Beautifully said!

Sincerely,

Another imperfect, but trying Christian :)

I feel sorry for her, even though I have been critical of her. I still think she deserved it and I meant it in all charity, mainly because she didn’t seem sorry, was completely lacking in humility and kept laying the blame at the messengers. Her admission of any mistake came off as she felt the mistake was just getting caught. In these clips, she seemed more sincere in admitting a mistake. I’m not sure she’s really quite there yet, fully understanding and accepting the whole of her error, but she is definitely learning a big lesson in humility. It is a hard lesson for someone so young, but she apparently needed it. This whole thing screams pride goeth before the fall to me, but I sincerely hope she is strong and this is only a stumble, and she truly moves on with her life in a positive Christian way. She is a beautiful, bright and strong woman. And she is very young. She has a lot to offer and could do really good things. Far greater than posing for skimpy clothing ads.

I won’t write her off as a future conservative icon. Heck, Father Corapi is one of my favorite priests, and he has a much more colorful past than Carrie. ;)

pannw on November 12, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Whatever she has done in her past, stupid though it may be, she does not deserve the flak that she is getting. And, though we may be embarrassed by some of those things, she deserves to be defended.

Jvette on November 12, 2009 at 9:08 PM

I agree. King didn’t play fair. Then, he badgered her. She asked him to stop. She warned. And then finally, it was over.

I mean, Ann Coulter would have had no problem in snapping at him by saying something snarky. She’s not quite that seasoned, yet.

AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 9:11 PM

She has a lot to offer and could do really good things.

Why not just make a living for herself doing something she enjoys? Does it have to be for the good of everyone.

Jeesh* One answer that fits a conservative political position shouldn’t condemn you forever to that, should it?

We should ask Joe the Plumber how it really works out.

AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 9:14 PM

And for the record, we believe in both the Book of Mormon and the Bible. The Bible is still held in high regard…

Conservative Voice on November 12, 2009 at 8:54 PM

First off, Christians do not believe “both the Book of Mormon and the Bible” like Mormons do. Christians believe there is only one Book, the Holy Bible. And no book overrules it. That’s a BIG difference between Christianity and Mormonism. A REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE.

Second, you fail to mention that the Mormons have four books as their scriptures:

* The Bible, King James Version
* The Book of Mormon
* The Doctrine and Covenants
* The Pearl of Great Price.

And the Mormons think the president of the Mormon Church is considered to be a living prophet. Christians don’t believe these things. We reject them. Again, these are BIG DIFFERENCES between Christianity and Mormonism.

but go ahead and continue with your logical fallacy that somehow proving my religion to be false by your standard, that it somehow makes your religion more true.

I’m sorry. I’m trying to be nice, but you’re an idiot. That’s not what the debate was about. You said Mormons are Christians. That’s what you said several times now in different threads telling me anybody can be a Christian if they say they are. Well, I’m showing you that isn’t true. Just because somebody says the word “god” does not mean they are talking about the same person that is the God of the Bible.

Here is a hint, you can’t prove religion, short of being God, its considered Faith for a reason.

Are you saying you can’t prove God exists? Because that’s not what the Bible says and that’s certainly not what we see in the world.

apacalyps on November 12, 2009 at 9:23 PM

Folks, the key here, the thing I’m fighting for here, is that right now when the left decides they are going to mau-mau someone, we get behind that person, to be sure–Sarah Palin, Joe the Plumber, the early Ms. Prejean–and fully support them as they go out to be our single-combat champion, until they get defeated in battle, at which point we do a risk-benefit analysis and abandon that person, and we really need to stop that.

We can decide that a person won’t be a standard bearer, shouldn’t be a standard-bearer, while still deciding to unleash holy hell upon those who broke the rules of society in an “all’s fair in love and war” manner designed to excommunicate conservatives. So Mr. King is dead to me–not that it matters to him or anyone who likes him–but it is going to take a series of counterblows restoring a sense of proportionality in society before this gets better. Likewise, I don’t watch the NFL anymore, not because I’m overly worked up about Mr. Limbaugh not getting to own a team, but because I feel it could be me tomorrow. I know my view is something of a minority, but that is the way we are going to keep our head above water–by always turning into the attack if the attack is unwarranted. The attacks on Ms. Prejean were unwarranted–or at least went too far–and so I stand by her side. Period. Not out of admiration, but out of a sense of “there go I next.”

Next:

Honestly, if the proponents of gay marriage feel that “by any means necessary” is the appropriate way to advance their cause, then they just need to go ahead and resort to violence, because it is the next logical stop.

How about, instead you, those who favor a change in the status quo, have enough respect for your fellow citizens to start and explain an examination of what society is, the relationship of citizen to government and government to citizen, the role of the state in supporting social norms for the health of the commonweal, and the implications of natural law. You might actually get somewhere with that approach (and you might not–no promises)–but at least you will be advancing something, whether it be your cause or the cause of rational discussion or the cause of public knowledge of applied political science.

Or you can just continue to do what you do now, which is nothing but emote and vilify. Well, I’m sure you feel that you are in the right, which is why I once again challenge you, if you feel that you are in the right, to just go ahead and finish the job of annihilation you seem intent upon, out of that spirit of divine righteousness which you possess. Stop screwing around and start actually killing your enemies. After all, they are evil and immoral, are they not? What is holding you back? All’s fair in love and war, right, and this would not seem to be love, so the logical conclusion is it’s war. And in war, you kill. So why aren’t you killing?

However, if you choose to do that it would be well to remember that your enemies get the right to kill you back. So, since you actually have a case that you might win if you would but actually develop it in the public forum (of course, you might not win. Them’s the breaks, and there are very few issues that rise to the level of “these are the times that try men’s souls.” With the ability to have civil unions, this is not one of them). Anyway, as I was saying, how about instead you render unto order what art order’s, and society what art society’s, and liberty what art liberty’s (for those who disagree with you have the right to have freedom of their conscience just as you have freedom to yours) and play by decent rules of the game? So that you then get the self-same protections, which you have no right to assume will be unilaterally yours alone.

Yes, you feel oppressed and put upon in an unrighteous way, with a history of even greater oppressions. I get that. But you would do well to remember that we are in the process of growing as a society of self-governing individuals, the process is not complete, may never be complete to our individual satisfaction, and that Rome was not built in a day, but it was burnt in one. How about you start expanding your view into an argument fit for the ages, instead of the fits of pique we have instead? Maybe I’ll vote for you, maybe I won’t, but what I won’t do is sit still much longer why you unilaterally decide who gets to be in society and who doesn’t, just because you think you have a sword of righteousness in your hand and think the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored needs to be trampled down. Like I said, I don’t see that level of moral urgency. Convince me otherwise.

But the key word is convince, not convict. You have power now. Liberals own the schools, and the colleges, and the media, and the culture-making devices–and not all fairly won, either; and certainly not wisely or fairly used. So you might want to realize that there is no universal law saying the oppressed of yesterday can not be the oppressors of tomorrow. Neither is right, and as Lincoln said, as I would not be a slave, neither would I be a master. You, on the other hand, apparently would.

Once again, as I said, you have two choices. Take arms against a sea of troubles, or play by the rules. Your choice, but having the best of both worlds is going to end soon, I would hazard.

Horatius on November 12, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Why not just make a living for herself doing something she enjoys? Does it have to be for the good of everyone.

Jeesh* One answer that fits a conservative political position shouldn’t condemn you forever to that, should it?

AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Calm down, AnninCA. I never said she had to save the world or even try. Really good things can be a teacher, teaching our children far better than the public system is, or writing more books, or anything else she is passionate about. I really don’t care. I just hope she doesn’t let this stumbling block stop her from trying. Of course, she has shown an ambition for being a spokesperson for things she believes in.

The not writing her off as an icon was a little joke, just a way of saying I believe in redemption and forgiveness etc… Hence the wink at the end… Jeesh* indeed.

pannw on November 12, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Horatius on November 12, 2009 at 9:28 PM

You make sense to me.

The thing is that Carrie is just the most public face of the search and destroy methods of the liberals.

Remember what they did to those they discovered had donated money in support of Prop 8 in Cal.

How about the guy who lost his job last week or so because he expressed his disagreement about gay marriage.

Carrie is us, people, what they do to her they will turn on anyone who stands in their way. Would we want our every sin exposed as a measure of shutting us up?

In my mind, that’s the bottom line.

Jvette on November 12, 2009 at 9:34 PM

AP’s getting a two-fer here. Carrie P red meat AND a side Momonism vs Christianity theme. You are amazing allah-p.

First off, Carrie is swimming with sharks now but she’s doing her best. Unlike our sins, hers are blasted all over the Internet for all to see. As the Bible says, “That which is whispered in secret will be shouted from the rooftops.” Carrie needs a loving group of fellow believers that will work with her and keep her out of the limelight, at least for now.

(Fact the Book of Mormon doesn’t replace the Bible…as we still read the Bible as scripture )

You’re either a liar or ignorant of LDS doctrine. Joseph Smith said, “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.” (History of the Church, Vol. 4, page 461). Mormons consider the Book of Mormon to be the most important book — more so than the Holy Bible which they believe has errors.

I am Mormon, proud of it, thanks for again proving to everyone that you are not a Christian,

You’re welcome to be a Mormon, however, you need to understand you’re not talking of the God of the Bible.

but a stone thrower who thinks that if he tears down someone’s beliefs that somehow that makes his religion more true.

I’m defending my Lord against Joseph Smith who was a lying cheating sod with a magic stone and and some golden plates and some books he wrote for Satan. And believe it or not, I care about you and don’t want you to end up in hell for following a false god and I believe that’s is what’s happening.

apacalyps on November 12, 2009 at 8:29 PM

The biggest problem facing Mormons now is DNA. Those three little letters are going to kill the LDS church. According to the Book of Mormon, all of the Amerindians are Hebrew by descent. You heard that right. According to the narrative, Hebrews traveled here hundreds of years before Christ was born and became the multitude of Native Americans we know today.

Problem: after exhaustive research, there’s not a molecule of Hebrew DNA in ANY of the ancient sites. No linguistic connection, no archeological connection, no historical connection. Nada. The American Indian, without exception, comes from the area of northeast Asia (Siberia).

It’s a game over for the LDS. The DNA cannot be pooh-poohed or dismissed out of hand. DNA is not bigoted. It doesn’t care what religion you are. DNA doesn’t debate or argue with you. DNA simply is what it is, and in this case it’s incontrovertible.

DNA versus the Book of Mormon is but one example of many resources that explain the problem.

Mojave Mark on November 12, 2009 at 9:37 PM

I’m never going to vote for Carrie, or Rush, or probably even Sarah. Not that I wouldn’t; it’s just that opportunity is not very likely to present itself. But they are wonderful distractions -red herrings- for the Dems to whinge on about while we get our act together and groom some candidates (can we groom some candidates?). I think Rush clearly sees this; I think Sarah is beginning to. And as for poor little Carrie? Seriously, a bottle-blonde, boob-job beauty pageant contestant? What is this, a bender in Vegas?

And why is Larry dressed like he’s got an audition for Guys and Dolls after the interview?

Doorgunner on November 12, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Well, I did vote for Sarah once.

Doorgunner on November 12, 2009 at 9:43 PM

So, the professor from Occidental on Sean tonight has just made my point.

Carrie is a bigot because of her answer. She is a homophobe.
They lashed out at her, but she was merely the whipping girl for how they feel about all of us.

You’re a bigot, get over it, shut up and give us what we want.

Jvette on November 12, 2009 at 9:57 PM

I’m a conservative, but I never jumped on the Prejean bandwagon.

In fact, other that the truth of the double-standard that yes, she lost because she gave an honest answer, why are people hyping her so much.

I knew she had to have something in the closet since it was a 2011 beauty contest in the age of video taking phones.

This is not a surprise.

By the way, the caller was as ass and crossed the line, but not that much.

Sapwolf on November 12, 2009 at 10:00 PM

WE didn’t pick her as an icon. Like Joe the Plumber, she’s an American who was supposed to be kicked into submission, but refused to kneel. I enjoy hearing from people like that. I guess if I had to pick and choose who would become the posterchild of liberal bigotry it might not be her…but those choices are made by the other side, not by us. She’s not the Chosen One. She’s a survivor.

I suspect this is again about trying to slap the social cons into silence.

Chris_Balsz on November 12, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Chris_Balsz on November 12, 2009 at 10:07 PM

I concur.

Jvette on November 12, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Do you think CJ maybe was trying to manufacture another “moment” like the one she got tossed at the pageant with the gay marriage question?

That’s the only thing I can come up with.

HondaV65 on November 12, 2009 at 10:14 PM

HondaV65 on November 12, 2009 at 10:14 PM

There is nothing wrong with Carrie using this to further her career. She wouldn’t be the first to use scandal as a means of gaining fame and fortune.

My only gripe with her would be the fact that she knew this was out there and yet never let on about it.

When one decides to stand for conservative ideas and morals, then one had better be prepared for every lapse to be broadcast.

Liberals do not have this worry as they have no moral standards.

Jvette on November 12, 2009 at 10:19 PM

Fuck you, Allahpundit.

How about that?

Jim Treacher on November 12, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Awesome Jim! You have such a way with words.

/s

harry on November 12, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Wow, did I hit the wrong button. Sorry.

Jvette on November 12, 2009 at 10:24 PM

WE didn’t pick her as an icon. Like Joe the Plumber, she’s an American who was supposed to be kicked into submission, but refused to kneel. I enjoy hearing from people like that. I guess if I had to pick and choose who would become the posterchild of liberal bigotry it might not be her…but those choices are made by the other side, not by us. She’s not the Chosen One. She’s a survivor.

I suspect this is again about trying to slap the social cons into silence.

Chris_Balsz on November 12, 2009 at 10:07 PM

I agree with you on this.

I respect her most for standing up for herself.

Bizarro No. 1 on November 12, 2009 at 10:25 PM

WE didn’t pick her as an icon. Like Joe the Plumber, she’s an American who was supposed to be kicked into submission,

but refused to kneel

. I enjoy hearing from people like that. I guess if I had to pick and choose who would become the posterchild of liberal bigotry it might not be her…but those choices are made by the other side, not by us. She’s not the Chosen One. She’s a survivor.

I suspect this is again about trying to slap the social cons into silence.

Chris_Balsz on November 12, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Rumor is she snelt for the whole first fleet…I kid I kid.

How’s about that sex tape and her asking someone to lie about it.

She’s a good Christian, like the ones that get caught in Airport Washrooms or those who appear on “To Catch a Predator”.

If she made a sex tape all fine and good, but she should vut the persecuted crap.

harry on November 12, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Do you think CJ maybe was trying to manufacture another “moment” like the one she got tossed at the pageant with the gay marriage question?

That’s the only thing I can come up with.

HondaV65 on November 12, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Nope.

I have a brother she really reminds me of who would have acted the same way in that situation as she did.

I am not saying she is stupid, but I think she is simple-minded, and doesn’t yet have the skill set to more deftly handle situations when she feels she is being violated. I think she was trying to protect herself the only way she knew, but realized that it wasn’t perhaps the best/only way to do it.

PS you are one of my most favoritest posters here!

Bizarro No. 1 on November 12, 2009 at 10:37 PM

How can I put this so that you all understand where I stand.

1. CP did what she did for somebody she cared about. She was young, and certainly not alone in this because I’ll bet millions of people have done the exact same thing or wished their partner would do the same thing. So, that does that.

2. She sent it to a boyfriend, not on Youtube, not to make money, not on a porn site. So is she a bad guy for doing it? Or is the bad guy the boyfriend who put it out and the people who took it and exploited it to hurt her?

3. Remember who she is, how old she is, and what she is famous for (getting hammered by an offensive gay man because she believed in marriage between a man and a woman). She did not advocate only non-video sex. Or not doing something erotic for the person you love, or think you love. So, exactly where is the violation? After Pamela Anderson, half of the rock and roll band members, movie stars both in private and on screen, exactly what is the problem?

4. Long before anyone gets all riled up and starts picking up stones, they had better take a good look around to see how much glass is in their own house.

archer52 on November 12, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Don’t agree with Allah, but — for an atheist — he has the patience of Job. On virtually any other board, there would be some banning going on about now. (It all makes for fun reading, however!)

sanantonian on November 12, 2009 at 10:48 PM

God, I hope you’re being sarcastic. I think you get the “hypocrite” tag even if you JUST skank yourself out with boob jobs paid for by the pageant system, and then you try to sell yourself as a conduit of morality, and oh, whoops- forgot about that truly idiotic sextape you sent off to a guy with the morals of a snake. This is a trashy girl who wanted to be famous at any cost, she just jumped on the “conservative” bus when it suited the situation.

anniekc on November 12, 2009 at 6:28 PM

I sense that you don’t care for her.

SagebrushPuppet on November 12, 2009 at 11:11 PM

apacalyps on November 12, 2009 at 9:23 PM

What authority do you have to be the judge of who is a Christian and who isn’t? What authority do you have to outright claim one religion false and another true? Are you God? An Angel? No you are a man, with an opinion, who likes to think he is speaking for God when in reality ( in my opinion ) you are far from God based on your fruit.

“Are you saying you can’t prove God exists? Because that’s not what the Bible says and that’s certainly not what we see in the world.”

I have to laugh. No I am saying Religion is FAITH. You can’t prove it, you can’t disprove it. Its what it is. Unless you are God himself, you can’t prove that the Bible is correct, or the Book of Mormon, or anything religious for that matter.

Based on your fruit, I have judged you to not be a Christian. You might belong to a Christian faith, I don’t know what faith you hang your hat on, but from your behavior, CJ is More of a Christian than you. The difference is I recognize that my judgment is mine…and that I don’t have the authority to rebuke you as a heretic…as you like to do with all who don’t happen to believe exactly as you.

Conservative Voice on November 12, 2009 at 11:20 PM

People like me?? Screw you buddy.

anniekc on November 12, 2009 at 8:27 PM

Well, I can see you’ll be going straight to Heaven.

SagebrushPuppet on November 12, 2009 at 11:25 PM

omg with how tedious this thread is. Stop it. Here. Get out of your head for a little while, you people. Watch the peppy Danish kids and remember how you too were once young and untedious if not particularly Danish.

happyfeet on November 12, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Carrie your 15 mins. are up.

cubachi on November 12, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Spot friggin’ on.

JetBoy on November 12, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Once again, what’s your beef? Are you one of “those” Christians who are judgmental and intolerant? Or are you upset that she had an opinion about gay marriage since that’s become your cornerstone issues.

I marvel at the running perception of Christians. Are people being obtuse on purpose or are they really clueless as to how ironically intolerant and hypocritical they’re being.
You dismiss us as if once a particular tactic has been used “to keep us in line”; we’re expected to act in accordance with your forgone conclusion. For Carrie Prejean, once she let her opinion of gay marriage know, it was necessary, and demanded from a gay world, that she be destroyed. So they assert this confounded logic that because she’s not always acted in accordance with a moral lifestyle she has no place, or even a right, to have an opinion on any moral issue. She was bombarded with every piece of dirt that could be dug up on her and she’s been in a running firefight with the liberal media ever since. You expected her to either change her opinion or quietly go away once merely because these attacks were even launched. When she wouldn’t bow to your will, it made you hate her even more. How dare she stand her ground?
Christians never claim perfection or complete moral authorities. I have never heard Carrie Prejean even allude that she was either. But still the left marches on pointing out every imperfect detail of a Christian’s life with the hope that we’ll feel we have no position on any subject. The righteous left never asks you to repent of your own “transgressions”. They actually wish you would do more. (It makes them more comfortable with their own behavior). But they ask you to repent when they think you’ve transgressed against them.

And to Jetboy for whom the exact word of “marriage” is so vital to the definition of his idea of gay unions, I simply ask, “Am I still barred from the Holy Communion in your church.” You would be welcome in mine.

If Carries 15 minutes are, so are yours.

hawkdriver on November 12, 2009 at 11:35 PM

hmmmph. Which have ears and hear not I think.

I give up to where I might even watch broadcast network television.

happyfeet on November 12, 2009 at 11:38 PM

WTF? Is Allahpundit pulling AGAINST this woman? Am I on the right f***ing site?!?

DrZin on November 12, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Ok I wasted my time watching that and no melt down.

Finishing a degree in journalism right now I know very well that celebs who go through lawsuits with confidentiality agreements usually make stipulations with the news outlet to not ask questions about it. This seems to be the case because her reaction about being inappropriate would be a typical reaction to the fracture of such an agreement.

King broke the agreement so she stopped the interview.

So what is the news here?… that King and CNN lie? Ummm that’s not news at all. Why is this on Hotair?

Chuck Norton on November 12, 2009 at 11:52 PM

People like me?? Screw you buddy.

anniekc on November 12, 2009 at 8:27 PM

Well, I can see you’ll be going straight to Heaven you’re already there.

SagebrushPuppet on November 12, 2009 at 11:25 PM

FIFY.

Well, that’s how I see it, anyways… :)

Bizarro No. 1 on November 12, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Once again, what’s your beef? Are you one of “those” Christians who are judgmental and intolerant? Or are you upset that she had an opinion about gay marriage since that’s become your cornerstone issues.

I marvel at the running perception of Christians. Are people being obtuse on purpose or are they really clueless as to how ironically intolerant and hypocritical they’re being.
You dismiss us as if once a particular tactic has been used “to keep us in line”; we’re expected to act in accordance with your forgone conclusion. For Carrie Prejean, once she let her opinion of gay marriage know, it was necessary, and demanded from a gay world, that she be destroyed. So they assert this confounded logic that because she’s not always acted in accordance with a moral lifestyle she has no place, or even a right, to have an opinion on any moral issue. She was bombarded with every piece of dirt that could be dug up on her and she’s been in a running firefight with the liberal media ever since. You expected her to either change her opinion or quietly go away once merely because these attacks were even launched. When she wouldn’t bow to your will, it made you hate her even more. How dare she stand her ground?
Christians never claim perfection or complete moral authorities. I have never heard Carrie Prejean even allude that she was either. But still the left marches on pointing out every imperfect detail of a Christian’s life with the hope that we’ll feel we have no position on any subject. The righteous left never asks you to repent of your own “transgressions”. They actually wish you would do more. (It makes them more comfortable with their own behavior). But they ask you to repent when they think you’ve transgressed against them.

And to Jetboy for whom the exact word of “marriage” is so vital to the definition of his idea of gay unions, I simply ask, “Am I still barred from the Holy Communion in your church.” You would be welcome in mine.

If Carries 15 minutes are, so are yours.

hawkdriver on November 12, 2009 at 11:35 PM

Great post.

We expect people on the Left to attack people like CP. What’s sad and disappointing is when people on the Right participate.

Some people on the Right just aren’t good allies (nor leadership material, for that matter).

Bizarro No. 1 on November 13, 2009 at 12:05 AM

So what is the news here?… that King and CNN lie? Ummm that’s not news at all. Why is this on Hotair?

Chuck Norton on November 12, 2009 at 11:52 PM

Mainly because AP loves to ridicule Christians.

Christian Conservative on November 13, 2009 at 12:17 AM

So is this Allahpundit guy going Charley Johnson on us, or what?

I was surprised that Larry even knew she took her earphone out, as the dude is circling the drain, barely alive.

PC14 on November 13, 2009 at 1:20 AM

She’s very hot. But that was quite strange and awkward If that got her flustered, she might want to step out of the spotlight for a while. If it was choreographed, she needs a better PR person.

johnnynucleo on November 12, 2009 at 6:11 PM

She’s no role model, to be certain, and I can’t imagine why anyone would consider her to have “a profound message.”

But one thing you’ve got to give her: She has courage. She didn’t let herself get intimidated by the pageant, by the setup of a question from Perez Hilton, by Donald Trump, or by Larry King trying to put her on the spot and pressure her to answer questions she had said she couldn’t.

Does she deserve all this attention? I don’t think so. But she also doesn’t deserve all the attacks against her.

The sex tape thing was stupid, but I believe she was about 15. If that’s right, it was 7 years ago. For a 22-year-old, that’s a huge amount of time. So it doesn’t make sense to call her a hypocrite on that basis. She may well have realized on her own what a mistake that was.

I think a bigger issue is that recently she has paraded around in a skimpy bikini. I’ve never understood how serious Christians don’t see a conflict between their faith, and walking around nearly nude. But everyone else who entered the beauty pageant has done exactly the same. And I’m quite sure a lot of criticism is coming from those who have no problem with beauty pageants and swimsuit competitions. It may be the critics are more hypocrites than the one they’re criticizing.

There Goes The Neighborhood on November 13, 2009 at 1:28 AM

splink on November 13, 2009 at 12:40 AM

I call BS. In Sunday School for every year we spend on Book of Mormon studies, we spend 2 years studying the Bible. We believe the Book of Mormon to be another testament…the stick of Joseph, and the Bible to be the stick of Judah.

That may of been your interpretation of their presentation when they came to your door, but the fact is we consider it scripture.

To quote our article of faith
“We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. ”

We don’t believe that the Bible is so corrupt that is isn’t worth reading…again for every year in Sunday school we dedicate to the Book of Mormon, we spend 2 years on the Bible.

Conservative Voice on November 13, 2009 at 1:35 AM

Sick of so called Christians who have a GIANT beam in their own eye pointing fingers at a mote in CJ’s eye.

Sick of so called Christians who don’t realize that we are in a fight for our very Religious Freedom, who instead want to continue their war against other faiths as a means to somehow prove their religion is more true.

Sick of so called Christians who don’t see that CJ against the World standard, knowing that it would cost her, stood up for traditional marriage…and that should be applauded…it doesn’t matter what her history is…she did the right thing when it mattered. And that is something we should applaud. Does that mean we need to make her the spokesperson of family values? No…but we should rally behind her when she is unfairly attacked from those who want to destroy all that is wholesome and good.

I think people forget that she is a 22 year old woman…a freakin Kid…a Real Person. Get off your agendas, and your holier than thous…you make me more sick than the left. You are no different than the Pharisees.

You Pharisees make claim that you are righteous, and moral…upstanding! Yet when evil is attacking a young girl because she dared to challenge their political correctness standard…you pick up stones with the left and toss them her way. You make me sick.

Conservative Voice on November 13, 2009 at 1:52 AM

What really frosts me is why nobody is appalled at what her BF did. Jeesh* What a jerk.

AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Don’t read too much into that. It’s just that the topic is Prejean, not the ex-boyfriend.

But you’re right. The boyfriend that gave up the sex tape was a sleazebag.

There Goes The Neighborhood on November 13, 2009 at 1:57 AM

splink on November 13, 2009 at 1:56 AM

Did God create Adam and Eve? Did Adan sin? The word of God is truth eternal and incorruptible. But Man sins. So you see, when God said his word, and commanded his prophets to write…at the time of the writing it was pure as Adam was pure in the Garden of Eden….over time unless there is divine intervention the things that Man manages, Man manages to screw up and fall short.
You see, the Bible is not God, it is a collection of his words, that for the most part is good. But the Bible doesn’t save you. The Bible isn’t everything that God has said. You could read the Bible cover to cover a hundred times, and could quote it word for word, and not be close to God or understand God or for that matter be saved by God. Does that mean we should throw away the Bible? No…anymore we should throw stones at CJ because of her imperfections. The Bible is still very much worth reading, and CJ is still worth defending.

Now, I would ask, as a gentleman…leave my religion alone. You don’t want to go to my Church, fine…its still a free country…just know if Christians don’t learn to unite on things we can unite on…we will all be singing Obama hymns and worshiping the State.

Conservative Voice on November 13, 2009 at 2:32 AM

Why does anyone pay attention to or care about this dim-witted bimbo? She has about as much to offer as Megan McCain, except that she’s much better looking.

Just because someone gets hammered by lefty media types doesn’t de facto turn them into some kind of spokesman for anything.

radar g on November 13, 2009 at 3:00 AM

radar g on November 13, 2009 at 3:00 AM

because the left is doing all they can to destroy her and make an example of her…so that the next person who stands up and defends marriage will pause and think…do I want every mistake aired out in public…nope, I’m going to give the safe pc answer….and the left then wins.

Conservative Voice on November 13, 2009 at 3:37 AM

radar g on November 13, 2009 at 3:00 AM

because the left is doing all they can to destroy her and make an example of her…so that the next person who stands up and defends marriage will pause and think…do I want every mistake aired out in public…nope, I’m going to give the safe pc answer….and the left then wins.

Conservative Voice on November 13, 2009 at 3:37 AM

She did it to herself, she didn’t need any help.

harry on November 13, 2009 at 6:37 AM

The conservatives never should have supporter prejean. She IS a hypocrite. People should have seen this coming when she defended sexually based posing for modeling, etc, but at the same time presenting herself as a moral beacon. I was always against her being held as some moral symbol.

TTheoLogan on November 13, 2009 at 7:16 AM

If you’ve never done it then, “You don’t know what it’s like to walk in my shoes!!!!”

If you have, “You’re a hypocrite!!!”

I don’t know what you’d call this tactic but what ever it is it’s a total one.

- The Cat

P.S. Yes I stole that from Arnold J. Rimmer.

MirCat on November 13, 2009 at 7:44 AM

Mainly because AP loves to ridicule Christians.

Christian Conservative on November 13, 2009 at 12:17 AM

Carrie Prejean is as much a Christian as Obama is.

TTheoLogan on November 13, 2009 at 7:54 AM

Larry King conducted a “Gotcha” interview, which was inappropriate.

He appears to be one of the anti-Christian and anti-Free Speech thugs, which include “The Queen of all America” Perez Hilton (only judge who wrote his own question), and others associated with the pageant and throughout the homosexual community.

Carrie Prejean did the right thing by ending Larry King’s absurd “interrogation”.

sinsing on November 13, 2009 at 8:13 AM

TTheoLogan on November 13, 2009 at 7:54 AM

Wow! Tell me what it’s like to be perfect, and odor free.

hawkdriver on November 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM

Oops!

I should have written “The Queen of all Media” and not “The Queen of all America”, in my previous post.

Perez uses the phrase, “The Queen of all Media”, on his own website, to refer to himself.

sinsing on November 13, 2009 at 8:20 AM

Folks sure have a lot of strange ideas about Christian sexuality. Forget the stereotypes, wake up and smell the pheromones. Conservative = Saint? Negative. Nobody ever said so.

RandyChandler on November 13, 2009 at 8:26 AM

The conservatives never should have supporter prejean. She IS a hypocrite. People should have seen this coming when she defended sexually based posing for modeling, etc, but at the same time presenting herself as a moral beacon. I was always against her being held as some moral symbol.
TTheoLogan on November 13, 2009 at 7:16 AM

We saw the smear campaign coming, all right. Please let us know who, in your opinion, should best defend the traditional definition of marriage.

Chris_Balsz on November 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Mainly because AP loves to ridicule Christians.

Christian Conservative on November 13, 2009 at 12:17 AM

Carrie Prejean is as much a Christian as Obama is.

TTheoLogan on November 13, 2009 at 7:54 AM

AP doesn’t like him, either. Hmmmmmm….

Chris_Balsz on November 13, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Mainly because AP loves to ridicule Christians.

Christian Conservative on November 13, 2009 at 12:17 AM
Carrie Prejean is as much a Christian as Obama is.

TTheoLogan on November 13, 2009 at 7:54 AM

You miss the point, TTL. It’s not just CP that Allah is ridiculing with this post. It’s every person of faith. Allah agrees with this statement in the post:

The definition that applies here works like this: She is a conservative and a Christian. Conservatives and Christians are judgmental prudes who a) claim to be perfect; and b) judge everyone else for not being perfect.

Now tell me this is just about Prejean.

Folks like Allah don’t realize that by taking up stones against anyone calling themselves Christians and who stand against socialism, they are causing their own political demise. If conservatives/libertarians/Christians/Mormons don’t stand together in this hour, we are doomed at the hands of the real enemies. Folks like Allah don’t seem to understand that the left has a real agenda in marginalizing Christians. Socialism can’t succeed among people of faith, so every socialist/marxist/communist regime has to marginalize Christianity/Mormonism/Judaism. So it is understandable why statists marginalize Christians, it is stupid for conservative atheists to do so.

Christian Conservative on November 13, 2009 at 10:00 AM

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