Politico: RNC’s health insurance plan covers abortion
posted at 8:39 pm on November 12, 2009 by Allahpundit
I wonder how this story happened. Did a couple of lefty insurance agents at Cigna leak it to Politico unbidden or did Politico go calling around at Cigna until it found a pair of lefty insurance agents willing to leak?
Or are the sources actually pro-life agents irritated at the RNC’s stance here?
Federal Election Commission Records show the RNC purchases its insurance from Cigna. Two sales agents for the company said that the RNC’s policy covers elective abortion.
Informed of the coverage, RNC spokeswoman Gail Gitcho told POLITICO that the policy pre-dates the tenure of current RNC Chairman Michael Steele.
“The current policy has been in effect since 1991, and we are taking steps to address the issue,” Gitcho said…
According to several Cigna employees, the insurer offers its customers the opportunity to opt out of abortion coverage – and the RNC did not choose to opt out.
The NRCC’s policy doesn’t cover abortion, which somewhat mitigates the embarrassment. Conservative Twitterers are upset, but given how long the policy’s been on the books at the RNC, I wonder if Steele and the rest of the current leadership even knew that abortion was covered. It’s a needless political headache, especially in a year when health-care reform is on the table; the only way it makes sense is if there are a whole lot of elective abortions happening at RNC HQ, which would be … a much bigger political headache. So assuming it’s a matter of bureaucratic inertia, which former chairman deserves the blame for getting the ball rolling? Presumably the guy who was there in 1991 — a.k.a. Lee Atwater(!). Exit question: Why didn’t he opt out of the abortion provision?
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Libs (like those at Politico and the rest of the media) have adolescent attitudes toward people they disagree with.
They view this type of story as somehow important, purposefully missing the entire argument about public funding of abortions.
it is really tragic that our country has an intellectually immature and corrupt press
R need to tell these people to (expletive deleted) every day.
r keller on November 12, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Blind obedience is not an attractive quality.
sweeper on November 12, 2009 at 9:15 PM
I am not apologizing for anybody. I am just pointing out some obvious truths. Maybe you are perfect, but the rest of the world is not.
Meanwhile we really need to see people like Pelosi and Obama voted out before they do irreparable damage to the economy and the country.
Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 9:15 PM
ITS NOT HYPOCRITICAL TO OFFER INSURANCE POLICIES THAT COVER ABORTION YET AS AN EMPLOYER BE AGAINST ABORTION. Again, some people don’t understand the meaning of the word hypocrisy. It would be hypocritical if the Republicans said we are against all abortion, and then told or urged a women to get an abortion. Its not hypocritical to offer abortion coverage on an insurance policy to employees even though ideologically one is against it. Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing another. Regardless, the MSM will whine about this incessantly.
Andy in Agoura Hills on November 12, 2009 at 9:15 PM
I read it closely the first time * what’s-his-face didn’t make sense then either,…MORON.
Jenfidel on November 12, 2009 at 9:15 PM
I’m a Grassroots Conservative therefore I don’t give to the RNC. They should be ashamed unless its an accidental oversight and there have been no claims made. But still I’m not a Republican since 2006. (Amnesty Bill)
Amadeus on November 12, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Sounded like a problem until reading this:
yes, it is a total non-story. I’m as pro-life as you can get. I’ve been selling health insurance for 15 years to individuals. There are no plans where you can ‘opt out’ of abortion coverage.
Abortion lobbyists go to state departments’ of insurances and make abortion coverage a mandatory benefit.
….
ThackerAgency on November 12, 2009 at 8:59 PM
rukiddingme on November 12, 2009 at 9:16 PM
This is exactly why we have to get rid of the RINOs – ESPECIALLY in leadership roles. No wonder they want a big tent that includes a bunch of leftists. And NO, its not ok when our side does it.
Sporty1946 on November 12, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Obedience doesn’t come into it.
I genuinely love the GOP, just like you Left Wing Nuts really love the Democrats.
Get over yourself.
Jenfidel on November 12, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Apparently it is not just the libs, they are counting on the purists to help them create divisions.
Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Obviously you have more knowledge about this subject then the average person but aren’t you just a little bit interested in the fact that Politico is making a story out of something the policy holders have no control over? People will stop donating, believing it is a choice by the RNC. More MSM tricks and tactics?
Cindy Munford on November 12, 2009 at 9:19 PM
“Our side” isn’t doing “it.”
Either the posts on this story are being made by Astroturfing Axelrod trolls or someone’s been drinking way too much “Both parties are full of dirt bags” Glenn Beck KoolAid.
Jenfidel on November 12, 2009 at 9:19 PM
The RNC is not the U.S. Government.
Next question.
The Ugly American on November 12, 2009 at 9:20 PM
I’m sure an insurance company would be labeled “sexist” if they didn’t cover abortions. I still think it is stupid to cover it.
terryannonline on November 12, 2009 at 9:20 PM
lot of readers are turning on the blinders
blatantblue on November 12, 2009 at 9:20 PM
Blind obedience is not an attractive quality.
sweeper on November 12, 2009 at 9:15 PM
sweeper: Here ya go!
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=9234
canopfor on November 12, 2009 at 9:21 PM
When our side does what exactly? I have an HSA at work now, but until this year I always got the standard medical that came with the job, I honestly could not tell you if something like this might have been covered by my insurance. Maybe this is just a standard policy and maybe the whole thing is a plant, a lie or an exaggeration.
Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 9:21 PM
lot of readers are turning on the blinders
blatantblue on November 12, 2009 at 9:20 PM
blatantblue: Thats sooooooo S/M:)
canopfor on November 12, 2009 at 9:22 PM
Obedience doesn’t come into it.
I genuinely love the GOP, just like you Left Wing Nuts really love the Democrats.
Get over yourself.
Jenfidel on November 12, 2009 at 9:17 PM
sweeper on November 12, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Not originally, but once gov agencies get involved, definitions and purposes change. Just look at what they are trying to impose now. Coverage for preexisting conditions. Insurance used to be based on statistics of an average policy holder being stricken with a certain illness. The derived probabilities allowed the insurance company to price coverage. Being forced to accept patients witha 100% probability is going to raise premiums thru the roof.
So… I no longer know what insurance will be for if the Government Health Control goes thru. Revenue stream for Uncle Sam?
ROCnPhilly on November 12, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Not only that, but sometimes women encounter problems in pregnancy that might result in the need to either end the pregnancy or lose the mother. Abortion is a medical procedure. I would not have an abortion, I can not even imagine it, but years ago I knew a woman whose baby was dying in the womb and they said she might die if the pregnancy was not terminated, it was some sort of blood disorder or something. That might be the kind of situations these procedures are intended for.
Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 9:24 PM
This is about as stupid as the argument that gays have been denied their civil rights just like when inter-racial marriages were forbidden. Pathetic. Can we also call China’s selective breeding a “free market enterprise”?
Rovin on November 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM
So what is your point? I don’t care if you have the ‘Freedom’ to kill your own unborn baby, knock yourself out… Live with the thought of a fetus trying to protect itself.
Just don’t ask me to pay for it, and make it a ‘regulation’ in some unread ‘legislation’ that is written in the dark of night behind closed doors.
This whole issue is ‘man made’ or better yet a ‘government made’ problem to begin with, and is being fueled by the propaganda wing of the left to make it a ‘crisis’…
A ‘crisis’ that won’t be addressed until after Obama secures a second term. Now isn’t that coincidental…?
Ignore their premise, don’t play the game, give the power to the American people, not the government to make their ‘health insurance’ decisions!
Seven Percent Solution on November 12, 2009 at 9:26 PM
I’m a strong Conservative, thanks for asking.
I see the GOP and its leaders becoming a lot more Conservative by the day.
Between our losses in 2006 and ’08, the Tea parties and town hall meetings, they had a great awakening about the peril of being RINOs.
Jenfidel on November 12, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Blinders? No, but in the midst of a big health care debate that the Democrats are losing, I am not going to take some story in Politico at face value.
Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 9:26 PM
For some reason the link to a blogger who knows insurance won’t link. Go to http://www.macsmind.blogspot.com
Whippet on November 12, 2009 at 9:27 PM
Just so you know, the female reporter there donated to Obama…
http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=Shiner&fname=Meredith
She was a student at the time though… but still…
ninjapirate on November 12, 2009 at 9:28 PM
I recall a fair amount of criticism (mostly directed at Congress, which actually controls the budget) during the Bush Administration. There was even a “Not One More Dime” campaign on some conservative blogs dating back to 2005, including Captain’s Quarters, protesting the failure of the GOP to live up to its principles.
Do try to pay attention next time, and don’t believe everything your masters at ACORN tell you.
malclave on November 12, 2009 at 9:29 PM
The insurance policy covers elective abortions though.
terryannonline on November 12, 2009 at 9:29 PM
ninjapirate on November 12, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Jenfidel:
Yes, there is a move right and that is a good thing..but to some people there will never be enough of a move right.
Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 9:29 PM
BTW, the reason this matters is that it makes it really easy to recruit people you can just pass information off to and get them to act as political operatives…
And the fact Ben Smith is a member of JournoList is just irritating…
ninjapirate on November 12, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Thank you!
A story like this is designed to kick the legs out from under the Stupak Amendment, one of the DemocRats’ biggest obstacles to getting NObamaCare rammed through.
Their talking point will be “See, Republicans allow it for their own employees and are just being hypocrites about it so why don’t they just stop pretending they’re really pro-Life and pass this puppy with abortion coverage?”
Jenfidel on November 12, 2009 at 9:30 PM
@ Jenfidel on November 12, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Ummm…that was directed at the thphilli spaz that apparently can’t read and is too stupid to figure out how use a quote.
Whargarble!!!
BigWyo on November 12, 2009 at 9:30 PM
We shouldn’t call it insurance anymore then. Because it is not insurance.
terryannonline on November 12, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Why are there so many god damn idiots in the GOP leadership?
WisCon on November 12, 2009 at 9:31 PM
The same people who think abortion is ok are the same ones killing researchers for testing with animals…
And all of those fighting for the right to kill babies were born themselves. Ironic isn’t it?
Whippet on November 12, 2009 at 9:31 PM
I am not sure about that, but even if it is true, it might well be part of a larger policy.
Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 9:31 PM
BTW, the RNC should dump the coverage immediately… they shouldn’t worry about doing it quietly… abortions really are not that expensive…
ninjapirate on November 12, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Ha ha, I wondered how long it would take Allah to put this on HotAir. Another thread of hundreds of “You’re a moron” posts & he loves it. Man, this is getting old.
kg598301 on November 12, 2009 at 9:32 PM
The GOP leadership are not idiots.
No-one has done anything wrong here.
What you’re forgetting is that the DemocRats and Maobama’s people fight dirty and will tell any lie to destroy the enemy (Republicans).
Jenfidel on November 12, 2009 at 9:33 PM
if you at any time have donated to the RNC since 1991 (when this policy apparently took place), some incremental portion of your donation went to the administrative costs of running the RNC, including employee salaries and benefits packages. Part of “benefits packages” in this context is apparently a health care package that pays for abortions.
Leon Wolf at RedState
artist on November 12, 2009 at 9:33 PM
Well yeah, which makes me wonder if the Democrats planted some stinker here and people are just too willing to make an issue of it. I would rather have a little more information about all this.
Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 9:34 PM
Atwater died in Feb, 1991. He was succeeded by Clayton Keith Yeutter of Nebraska.
The question is whether Cigna offered an opt-out in 1991 — they might now, but did they in 1991?
These ‘gotcha’ kinds of stories are always amusing.
I live in California, so I’m required to pay for other people’s abortions. Am I to be castigated for a forced rendering unto Caesar?
unclesmrgol on November 12, 2009 at 9:34 PM
The same could be said if you gave money to your own insurance company.
Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 9:35 PM
That was a long trip for not very much, huh?
(And it’s still a bunch of bull!)
Besides, I don’t really like RedState much.
Jenfidel on November 12, 2009 at 9:36 PM
If you give a pass to the one party who can actually change, they will go right back to trying to buy elections with your money. This shit is exactly the stuff that show me that they are doing nothing but countering Democrats instead of having any real convictions. Give them cover at your own peril.
sweeper on November 12, 2009 at 9:36 PM
Wow, the RNC will never see money again. Club For Growth baby!
Daemonocracy on November 12, 2009 at 9:37 PM
That’s right. It won’t be insurance. It will be a Social Security – like Ponzi scheme to be used to scare up some votes at election time.
ROCnPhilly on November 12, 2009 at 9:38 PM
And these are the same people who put a provision in the healthcare bill to cover veterinary care for our pets. Yes, our tax dollars will go to the medical care of some dude’s pit bull that was dog fighting. Lovely.
mizflame98 on November 12, 2009 at 9:38 PM
No one’s giving anyone a pass nor do I know of any elections that Republicans have bought.
I know lots of Republicans, a good deal of them Catholics, and they are truly pro-Life.
Believe you me, that’s a huge reason why Rudy didn’t get very far with his candidacy, even though he would have made a great President.
Jenfidel on November 12, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Daemonocracy:
What kind of insurance do the folks at the Club for Growth have? Do you know? How about the Cato Institute or Heritage or National Review?
Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 9:39 PM
I’m sorry, but this is funny. :)
AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 9:40 PM
(LifeNews.com)2007 — The chances are good that your health insurance plan covers elective abortions since 46 percent of all health insurance plans in the United States do so.
TN Mom on November 12, 2009 at 9:40 PM
It isn’t insurance NOW if it is covering stuff like elective abortion.
terryannonline on November 12, 2009 at 9:41 PM
So, most don’t.
exception on November 12, 2009 at 9:41 PM
I may have to remind a few people of this one from time to time. *haha
I’m SURE nobody has ever, ever used that benefit, though. *wink*
AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Christian infighting, you gotta love it. What could make an atheist happier?
kg598301 on November 12, 2009 at 9:42 PM
By the way, I’m pro-Life myself, so if I thought for a minute that the RNC wasn’t strongly pro-Life, I wouldn’t support them either.
Just sayin’.
I feel very strongly that those who support infanticide must be opposed in their efforts at every opportunity.
Jenfidel on November 12, 2009 at 9:42 PM
The RNC is a private (non-government) organization, using private funds (voluntary donations, not taxes at gunpoint), purchasing an insurance plan whose coverages are dictated by a government agency to require payment for abortion and a myriad of other services the buyer may neither need nor want.
This situation and its problems help illustrate the strengths of the Republican approach to health insurance reform: make available customizable plans across state lines, ranging from all-inclusive to catastrophic only, thereby letting the cost of such coverage adjust to market levels, and then this pricing model will allow consumers to choose the plan that best fits their needs and pay for it with their own money. This frees consumers from restrictions from busybody governmental officials who feel entitled to have a say because the coverage was paid for with government funds.
LooseCannon on November 12, 2009 at 9:43 PM
You should first ask if they have an anti abortion platform, and then ask if they are running candidates for elected positions based on their platform.
sweeper on November 12, 2009 at 9:43 PM
So, most don’t.
exception on November 12, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Not all insurance plans are total coverage plans. Some are just catastrophic or whatever. There are all kinds of plans.
Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Sure it is. Remember? Pregnancy is a tragic accident. You have only to choose to be healed.
/s
ROCnPhilly on November 12, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Yep. America is already subsidizing abortions. Most people have insurance through their employers and that is subsidized.
terryannonline on November 12, 2009 at 9:44 PM
My remarks were in response to someone who said that the Club of Growth would be getting his money. I was simply pointing out that we do not know what kind of insurance policy they have for their employees, if they do indeed carry coverage at all.
Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 9:45 PM
The platform and the candidates have nothing to do with this.
This covers the private health insurance of RNC employees.
Think of those people that make calls for RNC fundraising…I think it’s very possible that some of those people are probably Democrats or even Independents and that calling for the RNC is “just a job.”
Ideology and political affiliation doesn’t even enter the picture, I’ll bet.
Jenfidel on November 12, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Good. That only leads to one rational conclusion. Scrap both plans and, not only go back to the drawing board, but put them on the back burner because…Its. Not.Needed. Right.Now.
Stop letting the tards determine the priorities!!
Itchee Dryback on November 12, 2009 at 9:47 PM
When do you think Politico will start looking into pro-life female bloggers insurance policies?
terryannonline on November 12, 2009 at 9:47 PM
They are not talking about the GOP health care plan, they are talking {supposedly} about the insurance policies people who work for the RNC have access to. Their own insurance plans.
Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 9:49 PM
That might be hard to do.
Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Another nothingburger story put out by Axelturf, Inc.
RedRedRice on November 12, 2009 at 9:51 PM
The RNC cares about being “big tent”, too. So everything is okay if pro-Life candidates never use that option, and pro-choice candidates felt free to make that choice.
Let’s remember how important the term “hypocrite” is to Alinskyism before we help them propagate their crap.
Axeman on November 12, 2009 at 9:52 PM
I hope so.
terryannonline on November 12, 2009 at 9:54 PM
I see the RNC has put about as much scrutiny into it’s benefit policy contracts as it did vetting Scuzzofavor.
Inexcusable.
Mr. Arrogant on November 12, 2009 at 9:56 PM
‘K..I haven’t read the comments and just threw in my 2 cents.
That said..I don’t get what the point is supposed to be based on your reply?..That insurance policies as they now exist cover some abortions? That can’t be what you mean, because the thread specifically states that the alternative plan the the RNC is offering covers abortions. If that is the case, I stand by my comment.
Itchee Dryback on November 12, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Puh-leaze.
Save your faux outrage for something real.
And the RNC didn’t vet Scuzzyfavors because she was chosen by the NY state GOP as per their special election rules.
The RNC had to go along with their choice this time.
Jenfidel on November 12, 2009 at 9:59 PM
No the personal insurance policies of RNC staff covers abortions.
terryannonline on November 12, 2009 at 10:00 PM
you people are outta control. I am a moderate Republican. Fiscal conservative never voted for a D. What is the big deal?
Ricki on November 12, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Actually if you read the thread there are quite a few people saying it is not a big deal.
terryannonline on November 12, 2009 at 10:03 PM
46 percent of plans cover abortions, because there are states out there that mandate this coverage. Depending on where the RNC is incorporated or whatever, they may not have had a choice but to have a plan that covers abortions—DC and Maryland are as blue as blue gets, need I remind everybody.
If that’s the case, this is the perfect illustration why people should be allowed to buy insurance across state lines. People don’t want to pay for other peoples abortions, or simply don’t want to pay out the butt for plans that cover boob jobs and hangnails.
Sekhmet on November 12, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Forcing the opposition to live up to its own rules: another Alinsky tactic.
RedRedRice on November 12, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Question~ what are the odds that Bristol Palin is the only daughter of a politician (Republican or Democrat) that has gotten pregnant out of wedlock? Because she is the only one I have ever heard of.
Seriously. Just some food for thought. Don’t choke on it, lol.
kg598301 on November 12, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Belmont, N.C., Feb 18, 2008 / 10:07 pm (CNA).- A Catholic college that made its insurance carrier drop abortion, contraceptive, and sterilization coverage from its health plan faces the threat of a lawsuit because of complaints from faculty.
A complaint against the college has also been filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC).
Deal Hudson, writing at InsideCatholic.com on Friday, reported that Belmont Abbey College had asked its insurance carrier, Wellpath, to meet with faculty and staff to brief them on their insurance options.
One faculty member noticed that the coverage included voluntary sterilization, abortion, and contraception, and alerted the college administration.
The president of Belmont College asked Wellpath to remove those procedures from the plan on the grounds that they were contrary to Catholic teaching. Though the state of North Carolina requires this coverage, it offers an exemption for religious institutions.
Faculty and staff were then sent an e-mail memo explaining the coverage change and the reasons for that change.
According to InsideCatholic.com, the college’s Vice President for College Relations Ken Davison explained the reasons for the change, saying, “This insurance coverage is contrary to the clear moral teaching of the Catholic Church so we will not offer nor will we subsidize these medical services. To do so would be contrary to our stated Catholic mission and identity.”
Ken Davison said that eight Belmont College faculty, six men and two women, filed a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. The complaint, filed during the Christmas break, alleged that the changes in insurance coverage were discriminatory on the basis of sex and religion. One faculty member also complained to the state’s Department of Insurance about the changes in coverage and the religious exemption.
The National Women’s Law Center on January 16 mailed a letter to the college president threatening a lawsuit on behalf of the eight faculty members. The letter demanded that the college reinstate the coverage and pay any damages and out-of-pocket costs.
TN Mom on November 12, 2009 at 10:11 PM
kg598301
That’s cause the Dems kids all had the abortions! Choke on that!
Whippet on November 12, 2009 at 10:12 PM
The RNC is a political organization, not a religious institution. If North Carolina has a mandate for all insurers to cover abortions and contraception, think of DC and Maryland. Heck, even Virginia.
Sekhmet on November 12, 2009 at 10:14 PM
For all of those who continue to ponder just how the GOP can potentially fumble away the game next fall……….Exhibit A (or B, or C, or M at this point>)
JoeinTX on November 12, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Oh.
Isn’t that another issue?
Itchee Dryback on November 12, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Then where are all the babies born out of wedlock to Republican politician’s kids? Or are you saying none of them has ever gotten pregnant? Inquiring minds want to know. lol
kg598301 on November 12, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Who gives a crap.
Stop falling for you enemy’s ability to play you like a violin. Stop beating up your own side.
Idiots, I swear.
VinceP1974 on November 12, 2009 at 10:27 PM
I am fine with federal guidelines that permit abortion provided states have the right to decide the guidelines for their state. The federal government shouldn’t be involved in that issue.
crosspatch on November 12, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Amen, bro!
kg598301 on November 12, 2009 at 10:36 PM
I thought all decent health insurance plans included abortion. What’s the problem?
thuja on November 12, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Good advice, taken. I’m outta here!
kg598301 on November 12, 2009 at 10:40 PM
kg598301
Why is your mind so inquiring? Those who can’t find anything else to go after go after the personal…Republicans scaring you that much, huh?
I guess with all those who love abortion, one never knows who was pregnant or who was not now do we? It’s also possible that Sarah Palin’s daughter was the first high profile politician in that position. And it eats at the libs that she was tough enough to do the right thing and bear the wrath of all those who cherish abortion rather than life. And to do it publically with her head held high. But that’s what people do when they stand true to their beliefs.
Whippet on November 12, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Heathcare plans promoting death by abortion…sounds like a government plan to me!
Whippet on November 12, 2009 at 10:46 PM
The Big Tenters are always telling us to be flexible…
…so I refuse to give a damn about this story.
Look! Over there! Obama and the Democrats are trying to destroy the country!
Kensington on November 12, 2009 at 10:49 PM
There’s the evil party, and the friendly-fire party.
Merovign on November 12, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Let’s hope not, because if they have a copy of the policy, their little bird undoubtedly can access other private records related to the account, and has. In that case, we will hear all about it in due time.
I’m going to bet that, by Monday, a person will have lost their employment at Cigna, because, by federal law, all accesses to healthcare records must be recorded.
unclesmrgol on November 12, 2009 at 11:32 PM
I’m betting the College invokes the MAD doctrine and cancels healthcare coverage for everyone. Then, after a year, announces a new healthcare policy which doesn’t include abortions.
I just can’t understand why people who claim this is a private decision want to suckle at anyone’s breast other than their own.
unclesmrgol on November 12, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Only a nasty piece of work libtroll would find abortion funny.
Laura in Maryland on November 12, 2009 at 11:56 PM
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