Pelosi: Jail time “very fair” for failing to buy your patriotic ObamaCare coverage

posted at 1:30 pm on November 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

It’s very fair to send people who disregard the federal mandate to buy health insurance to prison, Nancy Pelosi says, because otherwise they’ll assault citizens … with a bill for medical services … or something. Apparently, the occasionally unhealthy have become such a security risk that we need to imprison them for opting to pay their own way. Infidels Are Cool has the key exchange::

Stone: Do you think it’s fair to send people to jail who don’t buy health insurance?

Pelosi: … The legislation is very fair in this respect.

Of course, the other option is to make people responsible for paying their own bills. Nothing requires us to pick up the tab for people in clinics or emergency rooms, especially those who can afford to pay their way. This is the point that Pelosi and her statist colleagues seem to forget. People who choose not to buy coverage even though they could afford it assume the risk of paying out of pocket — and that may be a very rational choice, as it is most unlikely that those people would use $3,000 a month in medical services, which is what their insurance would cost now.

If nothing else, it reminds us that statism always comes with handcuffs, and those cuffs always get explained by either fairness or patriotism. In this case, Pelosi uses both.


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Next time protester go to Washington maybe the should carry sticks.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on November 12, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Next time protester go to Washington maybe the should carry sticks pitchforks and torches.

FIFY!

Sign me up!

belad on November 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Jail? I don’t think the feds have jail. They have prisons. Theoretically, you could ask to be housed at your local jail but you would have to foot the bill for it.

Blake on November 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM

If the political class doesn’t participate in Obamacare are they eligible for jail too?

booter on November 12, 2009 at 2:13 PM

They opted out. There were several bills that proposed Congress’ participation be mandatory. None were considered.

This is healthcare for you and me, the people who have to pay for this travesty. Congress critters have a different, gold-plate plan that none of can get but pay for.

Got it?

Cody1991 on November 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Was the cost of an increased federal incarceration rate factored into the CBO projections of this thing? Inmates aren’t cheap.

T.D.D. on November 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Hmmmmmmmmm…..

Wonder if this will be a “three strikes and you’re out” with life behind bars and no possibility of parole.

Where can I git me some prison stock?

bannedbyhuffpo on November 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM

hey. If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. It’s the same as tax evasion.

Objecting to the law on principle makes sense. Objecting to the law because it has penalties attached for breaking it is stupid.

Bleeds Blue on November 12, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Tax evasion is different. You earn money, the government asks for part of that money as payment for services you use. For health care, the government is forcing you to buy a service, whether you use it or not. And with taxes, lots of people avoid paying taxes based on their income. With health care, will people who rely on free clinics now also get a trip to jail?

hawksruleva on November 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM

stupidity, arrogance and flat out expensive on both ends.

consumer has to shell out for more coverage than he probably needs.

government will have to shell out to put the guy in prison and keep him there.

I’m sure the courts and prisons can “really” handle this influx of new prisoners. Lemme guess, the greatest proportion of those who refuse to purchase it, AND who get charged with failing to do so will be …..conservatives. Moreover, space will be made in prisons for them by pardoning and releasing who….? wait for it…. young black felons…. I see what they’re up to.

ted c on November 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM

How about jail for you cement headed botax a$$holes.

rjoco1 on November 12, 2009 at 2:24 PM

PELOSICARE UBER ALLES!

MARCH, PEONS!

Good Lt on November 12, 2009 at 1:49 PM

The March of the Peons?

faraway on November 12, 2009 at 2:24 PM

What’s going to inflame voters more. The health care bill, or California taking 10% out of their checks? Either way, I think there’s a big wave of change building up.

hawksruleva on November 12, 2009 at 2:24 PM

I think we know what’s stupid around here. Rhymes with GreedsGlue.

fogw on November 12, 2009 at 2:21 PM

ROFL!!!

capejasmine on November 12, 2009 at 2:24 PM

In: Healthcare Internment Camps

faraway on November 12, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Pelosi = Slave Master

jp on November 12, 2009 at 2:26 PM

the founders knew how to deal with this type of thing.

james23 on November 12, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Government has always, sometimes rightly and sometimes wrongly, used taxes and incentives to encourage or discourage certain behaviors. Never has there been the thought of requiring individual citizens to purchase a product they may not want or need, for whatever reason.

I pay for all kinds of stuff I neither want or need. Roads, museums, wars, corn…

No dummy, the Constitution was amended, allowing the government to tax its’ citizens.

Nothing in the Constitution allows forcing healthcare on a citizen, and throwing someone in the slammer if they refuse to not participate.

I think we know what’s stupid around here. Rhymes with GreedsGlue.

fogw on November 12, 2009 at 2:21 PM

I’m game. Let’s take it to the Supreme Court. And if you can’t get those fab five reactionaries who dominate the court to rule in your favor, you have to accept that it’s constitutional.

Bleeds Blue on November 12, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Two words: Civil Disobedience.

I’d rather go to jail than to consent to this abomination.

newton on November 12, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Prison Squads

huckleberryfriend on November 12, 2009 at 2:27 PM

It’s also “very fair” to jail despots and Marxists that attempt to strip our citizens of their Constitutional rights and individual freedoms.

rplat on November 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM

If the Gov. jails one person on this there will be blood in the streets.

Old Hippie Vet on November 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM

That picture of her makes me want to punch her right in the mouth.

loudmouth883 on November 12, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Careful, the venality rubs off.

Aviator on November 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM

I wanna get rid of this woman in the worst way but I don’t know how.
Aitch748 on November 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM

My 16 year old sees her face on the TV and has a visceral reaction. It’s a response this mild mannered kid normally does not ever show.
Nancy has that effect.
Most hated woman in politics today.

FireBlogger on November 12, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Hmmmmmmmmm…..

Wonder if this will be a “three strikes and you’re out” with life behind bars and no possibility of parole.

Where can I git me some prison stock?

bannedbyhuffpo on November 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM

How ironic if tea-partyers protesting PelosiCare ended up getting government-run health care for life.

Bleeds Blue on November 12, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Bleeds Blue on November 12, 2009 at 2:27 PM

You can’t honestly be telling us that you want, support, and believe this crap to actually be a good thing? As well as Constitutional?

Or are you just trying to get under our skin here?

JamesLee on November 12, 2009 at 2:31 PM

And if too many American citizens refuse to buy nazionalized health care, overflowing the prisons, they will be concentrated in camps.

Fascism, plain and simple.

rbj on November 12, 2009 at 2:31 PM

If that abortion of a bill passes, I have no intention of being in compliance. If any Federal form asks for health care insurance information, the reply will be in red ink:
NONE OF YOUR DAMNED BUSINESS!.

GarandFan on November 12, 2009 at 2:32 PM

It’s patriotic to buy health insurance> Huh>

“I pledge allegiance to the Public Option of the Health Care System of American and to Nancy Pelosi, for which it stands, one Provider under Obama, with liberty (or 5 years in prison for violators)and justice for all.”

MaiDee on November 12, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Bleeds Blue on November 12, 2009 at 2:27 PM

You are the perfect example why people should need to pass a test to vote or at least an IQ test.

gophergirl on November 12, 2009 at 2:33 PM

When they start sending conservatives to prisons for civil disobedience and not buying health insurance, I wonder if the concentration camps, er, prisons will have gas chambers?

olesparkie on November 12, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Bleeds and Blows is a Troll.

Jerricho68 on November 12, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Let me get this straight. The whole point of this mandate to buy health insurance is to relieve the financial burden to the tax payers who have to subsidize the healthcare of these people who refuse to obtain it. But if I refuse to obtain health insurance then I go to prison where I will get free health care and free room and board with three square meals per day and plenty of activities, all on the tax payers dime. Where exactly is the financial burden on the tax payers relieved?

DoS_Conservative on November 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM

It is relieved by the $250,000 fine you’ll pay for not buying the health-insurance. Put on your thinking-cap.

betsyz on November 12, 2009 at 2:36 PM

It’s also “very fair” to jail despots and Marxists that attempt to strip our citizens of their Constitutional rights and individual freedoms.

rplat on November 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM

LOL jail? Shit we’re going to hang them up and watch them dangle until they stop jerking.

SirGawain on November 12, 2009 at 2:37 PM

I’m game. Let’s take it to the Supreme Court. And if you can’t get those fab five reactionaries who dominate the court to rule in your favor, you have to accept that it’s constitutional.

Bleeds Blue on November 12, 2009 at 2:27 PM

I don’t have to accept diddly-squat. Did you forget how this country was founded?

By men with balls.

fogw on November 12, 2009 at 2:37 PM

How ironic if tea-partyers protesting PelosiCare ended up getting government-run health care for life.

Bleeds Blue on November 12, 2009 at 2:31 PM

That would be “partiers”. ;)

capejasmine on November 12, 2009 at 2:37 PM

They can’t jail us all.
….can they?
World B. Free on November 12, 2009 at 2:01 PM

The Gulags held a heck of a lot of people.

Unfortunately, the Van Joneses, Anita Dunns, Cass Sunsteins, Rahm Emanuels, Valerie Jarretts Nancy Pelosis, Janet Napolitanos and Obamas in power are all enamored with totalitarianism which is why they are doing what they are doing – which is pointing the finger at middle American, small-government-favoring, tea-party-goers as radical extremists while refusing to describe true terrorists, like Hasan, as such.

PoodleSkirt on November 12, 2009 at 2:38 PM

It is relieved by the $250,000 fine you’ll pay for not buying the health-insurance. Put on your thinking-cap.

Who has $250,000?

Jerricho68 on November 12, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Saint Vlad Tepes knew how to deal with this kind of scum.

Jerricho68 on November 12, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Maybe it’s time to ABOLISH this governement!!!!! They obviously don’t like the constitution let’s try the DoI

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

xler8bmw on November 12, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Crazy Aunt Nancy

Jaibones on November 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM

hey. If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. It’s the same as tax evasion.

Objecting to the law on principle makes sense. Objecting to the law because it has penalties attached for breaking it is stupid.

Bleeds Blue on November 12, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Only YOU could be stupid enough to defend this…put down the koolaid.

HornetSting on November 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM

The Ronin Edge on November 12, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I’ll be with you.

Subsunk

Subsunk on November 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Who has $250,000?

Jerricho68 on November 12, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I don’t personally know anyone who has $250,000 sitting around, but that extremely sharp Nancy Pelosi has included these expected fines as part of the budgeting of this bill.

betsyz on November 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Pelosi: Jail time “very fair” for failing to buy your patriotic ObamaCare coverage

But but it was supposed to be a Christmas gift !

macncheez on November 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

How ironic if tea-partyers protesting PelosiCare ended up getting government-run health care for life.

Bleeds Blue on November 12, 2009 at 2:31 PM

How nice if you and St Nancy end up on the wrong end of a rope. But I only mean that in the nicest way possible, just as you do.

Subsunk

Subsunk on November 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Doctors tell people to go to the emergency room. Telling people that people in the emergency room are deadbeats or non insured, KILLED MY WIFE.
She had health insurance. But we looked like we didn’t belong. So she didn’t get her brain cancer diagnosed as fast as Ted Kennedy.
Both sides better knock off this Emergency room rhetoric fast.

Observation on November 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
.
C. S. Lewis

dont taze me bro on November 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM

But if you go to jail they give you free health care…

albill on November 12, 2009 at 2:48 PM

The Ronin Edge on November 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM

I prefer feeding them to lions~one body part at a time, Edge.

HornetSting on November 12, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Madam speaker Pelois has a place for you lawbreakers, on a chain gang in her vineyard, or Al Gore’s carbon farm or Reids casino.
She would have housing for you too in a cozy mud hut with a rustic thatch roof just out of sight of her main house.
Remember to look down when queen Nancy addresses you.

Speakup on November 12, 2009 at 2:49 PM

When you don’t pay for this health insurance and you go to jail, who then who pays for your health insurance, or do you not get any in jail? And what of a family? Does the father go to jail? How about the mother? What about the kids, after all, they didn’t have health insurance either because Dad and Mom didn’t provide it for them. And when Dad’s in jail (or Mom’s in jail or both), what happens to the kids? And what happens if you lose your job and can’t AFFORD to buy health insurance or it become health insurance or food kind of option…

Just trying to figure out their logic is… illogical! Unintended consequences much!

UnderstandingisPower on November 12, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Answer: State run orphanages.

Things to think about: Hillary’s book- “It takes a Village” and Barbara Boxer wanting the UN Rights of the Child to be passed by the US.

Click the puzzle pieces together.

journeyintothewhirlwind on November 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM

I almost wish the bill would become laws so we can all see how many ACORN and SEIU workers they would send to jail. Don’t the idiots who voted for all these liberals understand the enormity of the tax increases they are about to have to endure? Are they still thinking that Obama will pay for their mortgage, gas and now health coverage?

I’d say Pelosi is dumber than a box of rocks, but that wouldn’t be fair to the rocks.

orlandocajun on November 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Land of the free;
Home of the brave.

Pelosi took care of the first half.
Obama working on the rest.

kurtzz3 on November 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Where kinda short on lions, but we’ve got plenty of wood chippers.

Jerricho68 on November 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Wait, let me see if I get this straight.

Right now, the rest of us ALREADY subsidize those who use emergency room care but can’t pay for it. That subsidy is baked into the price we pay for our health insurance and the cost of actual health care. I can avoid most of this subsidy by not buying health insurance and shopping for lower cost healthcare providers.

And the guy who can’t afford to pay gets his healthcare for free.

Now under the proposed legislation, I STILL get to subsidize that guy’s healthcare costs because my tax dollars will go toward direct subsidies for those who can’t afford healthcare or my insurance premiums will go up.

If I want to avoid this, I A) Go to jail for not paying my taxes, or B) Go to jail for not having health insurance.

And the guy who can’t afford healthcare STILL gets his healthcare for free.

Yeah, that sounds like an improvement.

GopherCon on November 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM

The arrogant smirk on her face is what gets me the most.

Bob's Kid on November 12, 2009 at 2:52 PM

This will be the first Christmas present I’ve ever accepted in order to avoid jail time!

Greenhelmet on November 12, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Quote: “I prefer feeding them to lions~one body part at a time, Edge.”

I am fresh outta lions. But I do have enough thermite. I don’t recomend you use it on people, it would not be “pretty.”

But I would certainly not stand in your way if you felt the need to do what you have to do. It’s not hard to make, an nothing used it making thermite is on the federal “watch” lists.

The Ronin Edge on November 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM
You can rent a wood chipper nearly anywhere.

Jerricho68 on November 12, 2009 at 2:56 PM

I’ve thought about that a lot in recent months. Bottom line, if it ever comes down to an individual arming themself against the government, it’s already too late.

Several will try to fight and make a stand if it ever comes to that. But the news will read “Suspected Terrorist killed in shootout with Authorities” or something, and the rest of us will go about our lives.

JamesLee on November 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM

I’ve thought about this too. And I’ve come to similar conclusions.

It’s actually scary to realize that we’ve lost that buffer of courageous people willing to stand between gov tyranny and personal freedom. Even the most vigilant Americans are probably too comfortable in life to risk fighting.

I don’t advocate anti-gov conspiracies or any crap like that but it sure would be nice to know that our “well regulated militia” was at least available.

The Race Card on November 12, 2009 at 3:00 PM

“Option” . You keep using that word.

I don’t think it means what you think it means.

DavidM on November 12, 2009 at 3:01 PM

My Glock 23 says NO

bill30097 on November 12, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Everyone is looking at this all wrong. You see… this is how Pelosi plans on getting you on to government-run/taxpayer-funded healthcare. If they throw you in jail, you’ll get government-run/taxpayer-funded healthcare.

lewisge on November 12, 2009 at 3:01 PM

I’d say Pelosi is dumber than a box of rocks, but that wouldn’t be fair to the rocks.

orlandocajun on November 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM

A better analogy would be this:

If you put queen Nancy’s brain in a matchbox and shook the box, it would sound like a BB in a boxcar!

belad on November 12, 2009 at 3:02 PM

How ironic if tea-partyers protesting PelosiCare ended up getting government-run health care for life.

Bleeds Blue on November 12, 2009 at 2:31 PM

You call that irony. I call that the plan all along. It is the plan to shut up the opposition or put them in jail until they have complete and utter control. Then they can rule everything forever. And freedom is dead the world over. It’s all just part of the plan.

Your plan for all of us. Funny thing is. You are a peon too. You will end up in the cell next to me, because they want to control you too. Right now they need you. But after you’ve served your purpose… you are a bit too lippy.

You ever read what happened to lippy people under Stalin?

petunia on November 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Leaving aside the Constitutional rights this violates, only government could come up with the idea that sticking someone in prison, paying their incarceration costs (and their medical care in prison) would make fiscal sense when solving a purported fiscal issue.

batter on November 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM

I have a new necklace for Bella Piglosi, it’s made of rope and has 13 knots.
Let me make this PERFECTLY clear, I will NOT be forced to buy anything or pay a fine and the FIRST person that tries to arrest me gets shot. Do you REALLY want to go there PIGLOSI?

nelsonknows on November 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Ironic that Van Jones-es of this admin want to put San Quentin inmates to work on community organizing.

While outraged ordinary citizens want to commit ‘civil disobedience’ and go to jail.

Sir Napsalot on November 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM

JamesLee on November 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM

This WILL NOT be one person against the government. People LEARNED their lesson from WACO, WE SURROUND THEM.

nelsonknows on November 12, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Legislation from a congress that is not investigated or goes to jail for failure to pay taxes and is exempt from this StatistCare.

I get angrier everyday.

meMC on November 12, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Guys, if the First Amendment continues to fail to get these fool’s attention, we may have to resort to the Second Amendment. Not something I want to see, but I think it might be coming.

jimmy2shoes on November 12, 2009 at 3:17 PM

She’s a totalitarian.

I have an HSA with a $6k deductible so I pay out of pocket and unless something catastrophic happens to me or one of my family I will never use my insurance. That is how we solve the cost issues of health care.

The Left wing of the Democrat party must be stopped. I don’t care if we have to organize a million armed man march on DC and physically eject these unAmerican freaks from the Capitol building permanently.

DerKrieger on November 12, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Can we do that? I would so go if I could pull Rangel, Pisslosi and B. Frankinburger out of OUR house by their hair.

nwpammy on November 12, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Actually, the idea of jailing some of the teapartiers is amusing. I can only imagine the plethora of demands that could be generated from within the cell for all kinds of constitutional rights. *haha

AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 3:26 PM

So, BleedsBlue, does that mean the Civil War was an illegal war for which the South is owed compensation? After all, slavery was ruled constitutional by the SC in Dred Scott. And the Amendments changing that were a) after the fact and b) not ratified by the Southern states because not all the population was allowed to vote on them.

Moron.

SDN on November 12, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Leftists just don’t get it, this never ends well for them. Mussolini, HANGED; Ceauşescu, HANGED; Zhivkov, HANGED; Hitler, SUICIDE, Saloth Sar; BANISHMENT; Saddam Huessein, HANGED, and the list goes on and on.

nelsonknows on November 12, 2009 at 3:28 PM

AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Your bridge is missing you.

nelsonknows on November 12, 2009 at 3:30 PM

But I would certainly not stand in your way if you felt the need to do what you have to do. It’s not hard to make, an nothing used it making thermite is on the federal “watch” lists.

The Ronin Edge on November 12, 2009 at 2:54 PM

I like the way lions eat, Edge, but to each their own. :)

HornetSting on November 12, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Actually, the idea of jailing some of the teapartiers is amusing. I can only imagine the plethora of demands that could be generated from within the cell for all kinds of constitutional rights. *haha

AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 3:26 PM

You would be amused at the idea of jailing a kid’s dad because he dared to protest the dismantling of his children’s future? Tell me I’m just misunderstanding your comments.

jimmy2shoes on November 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM

AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Your bridge is missing you.

nelsonknows on November 12, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Hell, her brain too, nelson.

HornetSting on November 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM

“No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.”
How many actually know what a bill of attainder is?

nelsonknows on November 12, 2009 at 3:32 PM

BILL OF ATTAINDER;
1. an act of the legislature declaring a person or group of persons guilty of some crime and punishing them without benefit of a trial.
2. A punitive tax.

nelsonknows on November 12, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Why don’t they just jail people that don’t pay their hospital bills? Would that not accomplish the same thing? The hospitals could put them to work in prison doing the billing work for other people that don’t have insurance. That way they could pay off their debts while serving time in prison. Heck, it could even be done out of prison.

This was probably posted elsewhere, but I don’t have time to look through all the postings right now.

BioTeachEd on November 12, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Actually, the idea of jailing some of the teapartiers is amusing. I can only imagine the plethora of demands that could be generated from within the cell for all kinds of constitutional rights. *haha

AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 3:26 PM

That’s some pretty weird humor.

There are specific and listed constitutional rights for those charged with a crime. There are no constitutional rights for people who want free everything.

Something tells me you really don’t understand the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution.

darwin on November 12, 2009 at 3:39 PM

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Here is the question I have:

If conservatives and libertarians refuse, out of principle, not to get health-care and many of them [us] are imprisoned for any length of time, who pays for their health insurance while in custody?

Isn’t this “placing the burden on others” still? It would be in fact be the Federal Government mandating “burden on others” (watch the video for connection to this quote and Pelosi).

(From: http://religiopoliticaltalk.blogspot.com/2009/11/jail-time-is-very-fair-for-those.html)

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papa_giorgio on November 12, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Leftists WANT violence, as long as THEY don’t have to be directly involved.

nelsonknows on November 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM

DEBTOR PRISON!

That is the historical precedent I have been searching for! And this makes as much sense as that medieval practise did!

Only in Obama’s America it is HealthCare Prison!

I wonder if the healthcare debt can be discharged in Bankruptcy? Cause I’m predicting a big rush to that about two years after this becomes law. $250,000 fine indeed!

This is extortion!

Only a Democrat could think up something like that!

petunia on November 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Pelosi = Ignorant C__t.

Griz on November 12, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Why don’t they just jail people that don’t pay their hospital bills? Would that not accomplish the same thing? The hospitals could put them to work in prison doing the billing work for other people that don’t have insurance. That way they could pay off their debts while serving time in prison. Heck, it could even be done out of prison.

This was probably posted elsewhere, but I don’t have time to look through all the postings right now.

BioTeachEd on November 12, 2009 at 3:36 PM

Yep. Debtor Prison!

petunia on November 12, 2009 at 3:43 PM

I think everyone should have to read “One Day In The Life Of Ivan Denisovitch” by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn prior to voting in the next election.

hawkdriver on November 12, 2009 at 3:44 PM

But, Naannncceee, what if all my friends and I get sick while we are in your prison? Who will pay for our healthcare while we are doing time for not buying your healthcare? /

redwhiteblue on November 12, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Shouldn’t we be jailing illegals already who receive free health care at the tax payers expense?

Why yes, yes you’re right darwin … we should.

darwin on November 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM

hawkdriver on November 12, 2009 at 3:44 PM

That is my favorite book of all time besides “To Kill A Mocking Bird”

xler8bmw on November 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Wow, I honestly don’t know what to say to this. Never mind the complete unconstitutionality of the program (it is NOT covered under general welfare!)… To come out and make such a statement simply floors me.

How can agreeing to be subject to an unconstitutional program be patriotic? How can the fines and jail time be fair for something that is so much an illegal power grab? There is nothing about this bill that is fair, nor can there be.

TKSnider on November 12, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Is this prison sentence included in costs of the government plan?

Tremmy on November 12, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Here is the beginning of the Wiki for Debtor Prison:

Medieval Europe
During Europe’s Middle Ages, debtors, both men and women, were locked up together in a single large cell, until their families paid their debt.[2] Debt prisoners often died of disease contracted from other debt prisoners. Conditions included starvation and abuse from other prisoners. If the father of a family was imprisoned for debt, the family business often suffered while the mother and children fell into poverty. Unable to pay the debt, the father often remained in debtors’ prison for many years. Some debt prisoners were released to become serfs or indentured servants (debt bondage) until they paid off their debt in labor.

Wiki says that this entry needs editing. And they invite an editor to be aggressive! Anyone brave enough to edit it so that it reflects Pelosi’s house bill?

I’m not but it might be fun!

petunia on November 12, 2009 at 3:51 PM

First “Plugs” Biden tells us that paying more taxes to the government is our patriotic duty
Now Nazi Policei says paying for government’s dead-meds policy is our patriotic duty
Whats next ?

macncheez on November 12, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Pelosi should be taken to a row house in any major large east coast city and forced to live there and survive and earn a living and buy health insurance along with all the other expenses people have. She would not last 1 week. She has no clue what real people have to tolerate just to survive. I wish someone would just smack her down. the only good thing about this POS is that she makes me pray to God more each day, by asking him to forgive me for wishing terrible things on her and the rest of her elitist snobs. I hope she burns in hell………*sigh*……Please forgive me God……..See!!!???

clinker46 on November 12, 2009 at 3:56 PM

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