Obama losing Ohio?

posted at 12:15 pm on November 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

In the second blockbuster Quinnipiac poll out today, Governor Ted Strickland’s hopes for re-election look dim indeed — but that’s not the main takeaway from the survey.  Democrats successfully turned Ohio from red to blue in 2006 and 2008, but the love affair with Barack Obama and the Democrats has come to an end.  Obama’s job-approval ratings on issues has dropped precipitately, and as his fortunes fall, so do those of his party (via Jim Geraghty):

Ohio voters disapprove 50 – 45 percent of the job President Barack Obama is doing, down from his 53 – 42 percent approval September 16 and 49 – 44 percent approval July 7.

In still another first, voters are split 40 – 40 percent on who is doing a better job handling health care, the President or Congressional Republicans, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh- pe-ack) University survey finds. In a September 16 survey on the same question, Obama was on top 49 – 28 percent.

Ohio voters disapprove 53 – 42 percent of the way the President is handling the economy and disapprove 57 – 36 percent of the way he is handling health care. In September, they approved of his handling of the economy 48 – 46 percent and split on his handling of health care 44 – 45 percent.

As has been the case elsewhere, independents have fled from the Democrats:

Independent voters, often the group that decides Ohio elections, disapprove 49 – 45 percent of the overall job Obama is doing and disapprove 54 – 39 percent of his handling of the economy. They disapprove 62 – 34 percent, almost 2-1, of his handling of health care.

The same dynamic was present in last week’s elections.  The circus in NY-23 allowed the media to obscure it a bit, but in the other three elections, independents dumped Democrats and voted for Republicans — even when they had a third-party choice, as they did in New Jersey.  In California, the state’s lieutenant governor only got a 10-point win in a district that had elected Democrats with at least 63% of the vote in four straight elections, against a Republican so unknown that the Democrats actually quoted a different David Harmer by mistake in one of their ads.

Bill Clinton tried to argue this week that Democrats have lost ground because they haven’t enacted their agenda, but the flight of independents shows clearly that the opposite is true.  The Democrats are making themselves into a minority party  by pursuing a radical, leftist agenda.  They got elected by promising the opposite, by telling independents that they were a party of pragmatists who would be more responsible than the GOP.  Instead, they’re spending money faster and more dishonestly than anyone would have thought in their worst nightmares, assisted by an absentee President who himself postured as a post-partisan moderate.

What does that mean for Republicans?  The GOP has a golden opportunity to get these voters back into the Republican fold, but they need to understand how to keep them there.  The independents want fiscal modesty and limited government across the entire spectrum of political thought.  They don’t want intrusiveness and spending that doesn’t reflect solid ability to pay for itself.  In that sense, Rob Portman is the perfect banner-carrier in Ohio.  He is a conservative, but primarily a fiscal conservative in the Club for Growth mold.  He understands that the economy and jobs are the biggest concerns for most Americans and will focus on those issues without attempting to impose broad, sweeping mandates for social change.

Focus on the core values of fiscal conservatism and limited government, and the GOP could win governing coalitions across the country in 2010.  Attempt to go beyond that, and those independents may seek third-party options instead.

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What they do, rather than what they say they’ll do seems to be the problem…

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on November 12, 2009 at 12:18 PM

It’s VERY simple.

in 2012, the electoral college will be weighted towards the R’s because of census changes.

Assuming IN and NC come back into the fold (after going blue for the first time in millenia), ALL THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE HAS TO DO IS WIN MCCAIN STATES PLUS:

-Virginia
-Ohio
-Florida
-Colorado

Can he (or she!) do it???

battleoflepanto1571 on November 12, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Impeachment. Now.

ChrisB on November 12, 2009 at 12:20 PM

The rampant racism in this country is just shocking.

lorien1973 on November 12, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Focus on the core values of fiscal conservatism and limited government, and the GOP could win governing coalitions across the country in 2010.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

publiuspen on November 12, 2009 at 12:22 PM

How’s John Kasich doing in the polls in Ohio? I didn’t see it mentioned.

Anyone?

Knucklehead on November 12, 2009 at 12:24 PM

I feel confident that the GOP will find a way to screw it up.

bridgetown on November 12, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Instead, they’re spending money faster and more dishonestly than anyone would have thought in their worst nightmares

Ogabe and his lackeys haven’t even come close to what I’ve been imagining they are capable of, you just wait.

Bishop on November 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

and the GOP could win governing coalitions across the country in 2010

And we get to draw the districts in most states in 2011 (stupid system, but it’s the system, so use it).

WashJeff on November 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Ohio voters disapprove 50 – 45 percent of the job President Barack Obama is doing, down from his 53 – 42 percent approval September 16 and 49 – 44 percent approval July 7.

Yet Obama thinks 73% is unacceptable for his children…

right2bright on November 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

15% unemployment here in Toledo. Heavy ties to the automobile industry, especially GM & Chrysler (Jeep). We just elected an independent for mayor over the endorsed Democrat (even though Michael Bell really is a Democrat, but as this is Marcy Kaptur territory you pretty much have to be a D to get into office).

rbj on November 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

My brother and sister who live in Cleveland can’t stand him. My sister voted for McCain, but my brother voted for Obama. Next time, he’ll probably stay home.

alliebobbitt on November 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM

mmm,mmm,mmm!:)I also emailed Kasich told him that I wanted to know his stand on some issues before I donated.

ohiobabe on November 12, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Portman is running for the senate. It’s Kasich who’s gonna give Strickland the boot in ’10, I think the latest polls showed them in a dead heat.

CultureWar on November 12, 2009 at 12:26 PM

How’s John Kasich doing in the polls in Ohio? I didn’t see it mentioned.

Anyone?

Knucklehead on November 12, 2009 at 12:24 PM

The news reported yesterday that Ohioans are evenly split between Kasich and Strickland, but not because of upward momentum by Kasich, but the downward spiral of Strickland.

myrenovations on November 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM

How’s John Kasich doing in the polls in Ohio? I didn’t see it mentioned.

Anyone?

Knucklehead on November 12, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Last I saw, he was tied with Strickland.

ICBM on November 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM

You would almost think that President Present doesn’t care.

hmmmm….

Damn the Torpedoes, full steam ahead to ruination!!!

BigWyo on November 12, 2009 at 12:28 PM

The GOP needs to make fiscal conservatism and less government the key strategy for 2010. On the social issues, they need to present a reasonable candidate not the raging liberals that the McCain wing of the party foists on the voters as “electable.” The fat pink marshmallow in NY-23 shows that electable only goes so far.

highhopes on November 12, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Knucklehead on November 12, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Yesterday’s Gallup shows them tied at 40. If he sticks to tax reform, he’ll win in a landslide. Ohioans didn’t vote for Strickland in ’06. They voted against the GOP and specifically Taft to whom Strickland successfully tied Blackwell.

T.D.D. on November 12, 2009 at 12:29 PM

“…assisted by an absentee President…”

Ain’t that the truth. Speeches are written by committee then they wind Obama up and shove him on a stage. If times weren’t so bad, the display would be hilarious.

I hope the next time Americans hear the word INEXPERIENCE they take it to heart. Never ever put a person in charge that has never done anything!

joedoe on November 12, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Impeachment. Now.

ChrisB on November 12, 2009 at 12:20 PM

No, we need to let this disease run it’s course so that in 2012, a full post-mortem can be layed out for all Americans to see the absolute folly of socialism and unicorns.

The only question conservatives have to ask in 2012 is:

“Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?”

11 words.

BobMbx on November 12, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Bill is both right and wrong. He’s being polite. The agenda is fine. People did want a change. The actual results stink. That was not what they wanted.

They are dismayed by the actual results. The mortgage bailout bill is a failure and nothing but a piece of PR junk. The Pelosi health bill is so unrealistic that everyone knows that won’t stand. The stimulus bill has failed to stimulate much past union gov’t workers pockets and shore up entitlement programs for now, anyway.

The GOP would be smart to take note that the actual programs need to work. Many of the disappointments of the Bush era revolved around programs that didn’t actually work, such as FEMA, FDA, etc. People don’t want to return to that, either.

They want someone with a pragmatic sense and a knack for doing it without huge government involvement.

AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 12:30 PM

This poll makes liberal trolls cry.

lorien1973 on November 12, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Here’s a tip: keep Steele and the RNC far, far away from Ohio.

NebCon on November 12, 2009 at 12:31 PM

From the land of Joe the Plumber and Hillary’s primary victory in 2008. Ohio’s never been a big Obama state, but it has fallen into the ‘swing state’ category over the years. Even more interesting would be a poll of neighboring Pennsylvania, which has been a solidly Democratic state the past five presidential elections but like Ohio, was in Hillary’s camp during the 2008 primary season. If Barack’s numbers there mirror what’s coming out of Ohio, then the Democrats really are in trouble looking towards the 2010 midterms.

jon1979 on November 12, 2009 at 12:31 PM

I thought I saw yesterday where he is pulling ahead but maybe it was Portman pulling ahead of the dem.

ohiobabe on November 12, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Ohio’s turning red again. Except up here in Greater Cleveland.

OhioCoastie on November 12, 2009 at 12:32 PM

The Pendulum has began it’s swing back to center right/conservative- Pity the libtards/RINOs who face re election in 2010/2012. Your future is done in DC!

hawkman on November 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Last I saw, he was tied with Strickland.

ICBM on November 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Which is a big improvement from the last round of polls. As Corzine saw, especially without a 3rd party spoiler, it’s very difficult to win if he’s only tied with a relatively unknown guy (and yes Kasich has been my favorite politician since the mid 90′s, but few outside of conservatives know him).

I really wish he had run for governor in 06, his role in balancing the budget in the 90′s would have been a huge boon for the GOP in 2012 I think.

jarodea on November 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM

They are dismayed by the actual results.

AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Unicorns were promised; jackasses were delivered.

BobMbx on November 12, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Watch the desperate rats go into overdrive with their agenda, to keep, and maintain control.

capejasmine on November 12, 2009 at 12:34 PM

McDonnell does offer the perfect case study of a successful conservative candidate. A social conservative that lives as one, but in the public arena completely focused on fiscal responsibility. He was successful in every instance to turn the discussion back to the important fiscal issues facing those in his state, without alienating people on both sides of some social issues.

joedoe on November 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM

2008: “I’m going to uttrely bankrupt the coal industry!!!!” -BHO

2008: “Nah, he’s our friend.” – Ohio Voters

2009: “What just happened?” – Ohio Voters

mankai on November 12, 2009 at 12:38 PM

If the House and Senate are taken over by Conservatives, Obama will fold like a used rubb…ahhh, like a card table. He will take his baskeball and go home.

Look how poorly he is doing with everyone on his side.

PappaMac on November 12, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Instead, they’re spending money faster and more dishonestly than anyone would have thought in their worst nightmares

In the words of Han Solo, “I can imagine quite a bit.” And I’m sure they’ll try to go well beyond my worst nightmares. Just give them a little more time.

hachiban on November 12, 2009 at 12:41 PM

“Democrats successfully turned Ohio from red to blue in 2006 and 2008, but the love affair with Barack Obama and the Democrats has come to an end. …

“What does that mean for Republicans? The GOP has a golden opportunity to get these voters back into the Republican fold, but they need to understand how to keep them there.”

Seems to me Ohioan Republicans had a big hand in successfully turning Ohio from red to blue. It’s hazy for me but I seem to remember lots of stories prior to 2006, stories that revolved around Republican political corruption, but I don’t remember whether it was particularly localized or more on the state/statewide level.

Any Ohioans here that can help on this would be appreciated.

Dusty on November 12, 2009 at 12:42 PM

McDonnell does offer the perfect case study of a successful conservative candidate. A social conservative that lives as one, but in the public arena completely focused on fiscal responsibility. He was successful in every instance to turn the discussion back to the important fiscal issues facing those in his state, without alienating people on both sides of some social issues.

joedoe on November 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Plus, he had the intelligence to frame things in terms of what the voters are paying attention to in his state. Overly vague candidates are NOT going to fare well, I predict. One talking head in a country is quite enough.

The article on Hoffman’s recount is very funny. Wouldn’t it be a hoot if he actually ends up winning?

AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 12:42 PM

All of these poll numbersa are SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERSTATED because of people’s fear of being called racist.

notagool on November 12, 2009 at 12:42 PM

All of these poll numbersa are SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERSTATED because of people’s fear of being called racist.

notagool on November 12, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Racist.

mankai on November 12, 2009 at 12:43 PM

What does that mean for Republicans? The GOP has a golden opportunity to get these voters back into the Republican fold, but they need to understand how to keep them there.

Lucy prepares the football for Charlie Brown…

Bruno Strozek on November 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM

From the land of Joe the Plumber and Hillary’s primary victory in 2008. Ohio’s never been a big Obama state, but it has fallen into the ’swing state’ category over the years. Even more interesting would be a poll of neighboring Pennsylvania, which has been a solidly Democratic state the past five presidential elections but like Ohio, was in Hillary’s camp during the 2008 primary season. If Barack’s numbers there mirror what’s coming out of Ohio, then the Democrats really are in trouble looking towards the 2010 midterms.

jon1979 on November 12, 2009 at 12:31 PM

2010 is going to be a huge year for Republicans in PA. We even have a candidate now in the 8th District.

Ed Rendell just threw $7 million of state economic development funds into the pot to end the Philadelphia transit workers’ strike. The settlement includes bonuses of over $1000 to all workers. Everyone else in PA wonders where our bonuses are. Transit workers who walked off the job at 3:00 a.m., stranding thousands of night-shift workers, and brought the city to a standstill for almost week get $1000 and an 11% raise over 5 years. Republicans in the legislature are making big hay out of this.

Voters are going to be RUNNING to the polls in 2010 to throw these bastards out.

rockmom on November 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Dusty on November 12, 2009 at 12:42 PM

yes, bob Taft was a big dumbass as governor. Plus 2006 was when people revolted about the way Iraq was headed across the country including here.

gsherin on November 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM

What Ohio needs are the dem. candidates asking o to help them out:):)Love it!

ohiobabe on November 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM

I feel confident that the GOP will find a way to screw it up.

bridgetown on November 12, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Chess games are generally won by the player who makes the next-to-last mistake.

NeighborhoodCatLady on November 12, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Obama/Mangini 2012

Christien on November 12, 2009 at 12:46 PM

It’s VERY simple.

in 2012, the electoral college will be weighted towards the R’s because of census changes.

Assuming IN and NC come back into the fold (after going blue for the first time in millenia), ALL THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE HAS TO DO IS WIN MCCAIN STATES PLUS:

-Virginia
-Ohio
-Florida
-Colorado

Can he (or she!) do it???

battleoflepanto1571 on November 12, 2009 at 12:20 PM

I live in Colorado, and it will defintely go Republican in 2012. (Unless Huckabee is nominated). Palin is very popular here, and Romney would probably win as well as we have a sizeable Mormon population.

Obama’s approval has plummeted in the state. The GOP will pick up the Governor, State Legislature, a senate seat and perhaps as many as 3 House Seats in 2010.

Norwegian on November 12, 2009 at 12:46 PM

The GOP has a golden opportunity to get these voters back into the Republican fold, but they need to understand how to keep them there. The independents want fiscal modesty and limited government across the entire spectrum of political thought. They don’t want intrusiveness and spending that doesn’t reflect solid ability to pay for itself.

Are you listening, conservatives??? If we start primary fights in all these states and districts over “who is the most conservative,” we are going to run those independents right back to the Democrats. If we start calling everyone to the left of Tom Coburn a RINO, we will blow this election.

There is a SOLID majority out there for fiscal conservatism and private-sector job creation. If we stick to this and stop all the RINO crap, we will win.

rockmom on November 12, 2009 at 12:48 PM

He is a conservative, but primarily a fiscal conservative in the Club for Growth mold. He understands that the economy and jobs are the biggest concerns for most Americans and will focus on those issues without attempting to impose broad, sweeping mandates for social change.

My Kingdom for just fifty of these guys.

SlimyBill on November 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM

rockmom on November 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Who from the 8th district?

SHARPTOOTH on November 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Attempt to go beyond that, and those independents may seek third-party options instead.

Fear the conservative!

Rode Werk on November 12, 2009 at 12:51 PM

All the GOP has to do is run a bunch more DeDeScozzes and the Democrats won’t have any problems.

pedestrian on November 12, 2009 at 12:51 PM

[gsherin on November 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM]

Was it just Taft or was there more going on? I seem to remember reading about Cleveland a lot but I might be mistaken because it is hazy and it might be that I’m just remembering the paper (Cleveland Plain Dealer) where I remember reading about it. I also remember “county” republicans, too.

Dusty on November 12, 2009 at 12:52 PM

rockmom on November 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM

my dad will be glad to hear that since he’s about sick of Arlen Sphincter and Fast Eddie.

gsherin on November 12, 2009 at 12:53 PM

All of these poll numbersa are SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERSTATED because of people’s fear of being called racist.

notagool on November 12, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Funny thing about that: when Swann, Steele, and Blackwell were all being defeated in their respective races in ’06 there was nary a word about racism. It’s only when a liberal’s involved.

T.D.D. on November 12, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I’m really liking your headlines today Ed! Good Job!

Of course the storties are nice and meaty as well. Too bad this is a snap shot and the Dems are getting plenty of notice to turn things around.

Let’s just hope they are as dumb as they have been so far and keep repeating the mantra, “We Won”.

petunia on November 12, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Dusty on November 12, 2009 at 12:52 PM

I’m trying to remember, but Taft was busted playing golf and some other stuff and sticking the taxpayers with the bill and there was also someone who had worked for him that was involved in some other scam that cost taxpayers money. Plus GOP had had the governor’s office for 16 years so all that makes it easy for Dems claim they’re for “change”.

gsherin on November 12, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Why do they have to tell you how to pronounce Quinnipiac? Are they afraid people will pronounce it Chappaquiddick?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on November 12, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Ohio has a lot going for it, but I wonder about a state who’s citizens still pay to watch the Browns play football.

SKYFOX on November 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Obamas and his fake little “jobs summit” in December is just going to drive home the fact that he has no clue what to do other than screwing private enterprise and then being shocked that they won’t create jobs.
He’s sowing the wind and in one year he’s going to reap the whirlwind.

jjshaka on November 12, 2009 at 12:58 PM

There is a SOLID majority out there for fiscal conservatism and private-sector job creation. If we stick to this and stop all the RINO crap, we will win.

rockmom on November 12, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I agree. The term RINO means nothing. It would apply so some, but when it is used so often it is the Conservative equivalent of “racist”. Eye rolls are the logical response.

petunia on November 12, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Obama/Mangini 2012

Christien on November 12, 2009 at 12:46 PM

+100

Ace ODale on November 12, 2009 at 12:59 PM

2 November 2010 is approaching. It is also the “Day of the Dead”… how appropriate.

bbordwell on November 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Rockmom:

Who in the 8th?

In PA-6, Gerlach (R) is giving his seat up to run (probably unsuccessfully) for Governor. Curt Schroeder, who’s in the state house now, is running and a good CFG Republican.

I’d love to see PA numbers too.

either orr on November 12, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Focus on the core values of fiscal conservatism and limited government, and the GOP could win governing coalitions across the country in 2010. Attempt to go beyond that, and those independents may seek third-party options instead.

What a load of malarkey. They didn’t lose Congress because of their social stance. They lost because they abandoned those core values you mentioned. Social issues weren’t a factor then and they aren’t going to be driving independents to third parties either. This meme has almost as big a life of it’s own as Global Warming. Step outside your door. It’s not any warmer or more liberal socially than it was 4 to 8 years ago.

Rocks on November 12, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Gov. Strickland’s stellar job approval rating has evaporated into the negative. Yhe Cicninnati Enquirer this morning reported that he and Kasich are tied at 40% for the ’10 governors race.

RustBelt on November 12, 2009 at 1:04 PM

All the GOP has to do is run a bunch more DeDeScozzes and the Democrats won’t have any problems.

pedestrian on November 12, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Idea: let’s start using Scozzafava instead of RINO. Use her as a scale… There are about ten issues that she disagrees with conservatives about so it could be a scale.

This candidate is 50% Scozzafava. Another only 10% Scozzafava, she can stay. That one 100% Scozzafava they are definitely out…

I guess there is a real woman behind the name…. but I’m so sick of the term RINO.

petunia on November 12, 2009 at 1:05 PM

I live in Colorado, and it will defintely go Republican in 2012. (Unless Huckabee is nominated). Palin is very popular here, and Romney would probably win as well as we have a sizeable Mormon population.

Obama’s approval has plummeted in the state. The GOP will pick up the Governor, State Legislature, a senate seat and perhaps as many as 3 House Seats in 2010.

Norwegian on November 12, 2009 at 12:46 PM

“Dude, like that is so uncool.” – Boulder

mankai on November 12, 2009 at 1:06 PM

It’s not any warmer or more liberal socially than it was 4 to 8 years ago.

Rocks on November 12, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Watch a movie lately? Or a TV show? It is more socially liberal.

Not that we should cave to it.

But I’m still raising kids and have been for the last 28 years. It is much more socially liberal out there than 28 years ago.

petunia on November 12, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Remember before Taft came along to screw things up, Voinovich was governor for 8 years too. Ohio may be shifting republican next year, but Ohio tends to produce a whole crop of RINOs, with the notable exception of John Kasich, whom I’ve meet and I’ve always been impressed with.

OhioBuckeye7 on November 12, 2009 at 1:10 PM

There is a SOLID majority out there for fiscal conservatism and private-sector job creation. If we stick to this and stop all the RINO crap, we will win.

rockmom on November 12, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Someone in the Lindsay Graham censure thread posted this – it’s definitely worth a perusal:

http://www.rinohunt.net/index.html

tru2tx on November 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM

The independents want fiscal modesty and limited government across the entire spectrum of political thought. They don’t want intrusiveness and spending that doesn’t reflect solid ability to pay for itself.

Funny, because I feel the exact same way…and hopefully more and more people will agree….

search4truth on November 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM

The GOP has a golden opportunity to get these voters back into the Republican fold, but they need to understand how to keep them there.

I have faith in the GOP leadership that they’ll blow this. “Big tent! Compromise! Moderates!!”

darwin on November 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM

I posted an analysis of all these numbers from the Quinnipiac Poll in my blog.

Some interesting takeaways re: how doomed Brunner is and how things have turned for Obama.

Click here.

DJ Tablesauce on November 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Fiscal sobriety will win every stinking time! Why can’t GOP politicians get this? What is so hard about that? Is the system that corrupt that politicians have to put the hands in the cookie jar thinking they won’t get caught? Its an insult to our collective intelligences!

milemarker2020 on November 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Strickland is a classic ACORN baby. Change Ohio’s law back to having an election DAY instead of the rife with fraud election MONTH that ACORN operatives pushed through and Strickland never would’ve been elected in the first place.

miles on November 12, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Again, I’d like to give a shout out to the idiot voters in:

VA
NC
CO
NM
FL
NV
OH

Nice work, aholes!

SouthernGent on November 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM

voters are split 40 – 40 percent on who is doing a better job handling health care

That’s sad, because neither the president, nor congress should be in the business of handling anyone’s health care.

reaganaut on November 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM

I would still like to see the cross tabs based on taxpayer vs. recipient of government assistance.

I think if tax takers are factored out then the opposition to the Obama agenda is much higher.

No representation without taxation!

DerKrieger on November 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM

SouthernGent on November 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM

The GOP deserves a share of the blame for giving the electorate a reason to vote for the other team. Had they stuck to their limited government, fiscally conservative principles they would have been unassailable.

DerKrieger on November 12, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Strickland is a classic ACORN baby. Change Ohio’s law back to having an election DAY instead of the rife with fraud election MONTH that ACORN operatives pushed through and Strickland never would’ve been elected in the first place.

miles on November 12, 2009 at 1:16 PM

I couldn’t agree more. We need a new SOS in Ohio.

myrenovations on November 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Watch a movie lately? Or a TV show? It is more socially liberal.

Not that we should cave to it.

But I’m still raising kids and have been for the last 28 years. It is much more socially liberal out there than 28 years ago.

petunia on November 12, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Than 4 years ago? For Ed’s argument to make sense social issues would have been a factor in the loses in 2006 and 2008. They weren’t and they sure didn’t hurt from 1994-2004. What did change? Oh yeah, the party of fiscal conservatism starting spending like a pimp with a week to live.

Rocks on November 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Memo to Republican candidates:
I don’t care what you think of abortion or same-sex marriage.
If you WILL cut taxes, shrink government, reform tort law, drill for oil, generally stay the hell out of my private life, and (most importantly) don’t ever think you know more about these things than the rest of us – I WILL vote for you. Anything less is a deal breaker.

n0doz on November 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM

I think that is also important to find candidates that fit the region they are running in. They need to go back to the notion that politics are local. It matters.

As for RINO…. I think that the term has been way over used. A lot of the people who use it in fact are not actually Republicans themselves.

Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM

SouthernGent on November 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Sadly, I have to add my state, IN, to the mix. Usually a Republican state, a lot of my fellow Hoosiers were fooled by the fantastic promise of hopenchange. Sigh.

search4truth on November 12, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Nice work, aholes!

SouthernGent on November 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Hey, eff you buddy! I’ve voted against all these jerkbags.

loudmouth883 on November 12, 2009 at 1:32 PM

n0doz on November 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM

I agree. And while I’m personally socially Conservative on most issues I think those issues are better handled at the state and local level. For example I don’t care if a state legalizes gay marriage as long as my state isn’t forced to recognize those marriages.

DerKrieger on November 12, 2009 at 1:32 PM

It’s VERY simple.

in 2012, the electoral college will be weighted towards the R’s because of census changes.

Assuming IN and NC come back into the fold (after going blue for the first time in millenia), ALL THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE HAS TO DO IS WIN MCCAIN STATES PLUS:

-Virginia
-Ohio
-Florida
-Colorado

Can he (or she!) do it???

battleoflepanto1571 on November 12, 2009 at 12:20 PM

I have to believe after what happened in Virginia last week, that state along with North Carolina and Indiana will go Republican in 2012. Those are traditionally red states that bought into Obama as a centrist. They won’t make that mistake again.

Florida and Ohio are always competitive swing states, but they tend to go GOP in Presidential elections most of the time.

That leaves Colorado as the main target. Nevada, New Mexico, Iowa, and New Hampshire would be for insurance. And that’s assuming no blue states end up in the GOP column. Anyone wanna bet against that after Christie’s win in New Jersey?

Doughboy on November 12, 2009 at 1:33 PM

but Ohio tends to produce a whole crop of RINOs, with the notable exception of John Kasich, whom I’ve meet and I’ve always been impressed with.

OhioBuckeye7 on November 12, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Sad but true.

Ohio’s population centers in the North and Cincinnati in the South will keep the state largely pro-union. In an economic recovery Ohio will need to persuade businesses to invest in the state that has a long anti-bussiness history. That will take more than a Republican governor.

Theworldisnotenough on November 12, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Memo to Republican candidates:
I don’t care what you think of abortion or same-sex marriage.
If you WILL cut taxes, shrink government, reform tort law, drill for oil, generally stay the hell out of my private life, and (most importantly) don’t ever think you know more about these things than the rest of us – I WILL vote for you. Anything less is a deal breaker.

n0doz on November 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Cut it in stone!

Fighton03 on November 12, 2009 at 1:38 PM

On the social issues, they need to present a reasonable candidate not the raging liberals that the McCain wing of the party foists on the voters as “electable.”

highhopes on November 12, 2009 at 12:29 PM

On these issues, the GOP needs to adopt a platform of leaving it to the states or the people, kind of a 10th amendment strategy.

Kafir on November 12, 2009 at 1:39 PM

wipeout in 2010.

2012? We’ll see. He might luck out and the ingenious industrious americans might get the economy going inspite of the radical freak, Barry.

marklmail on November 12, 2009 at 1:41 PM

From what I’ve seen of Kasich on Fox, he seems like such a straight shooter and a good guy who genuinely cares about the direction of the country. I wish there were more of his type around. I imagine he will run away with this thing.

PatMac on November 12, 2009 at 1:44 PM

No representation without taxation!

DerKrieger on November 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Clever.

Than 4 years ago? For Ed’s argument to make sense social issues would have been a factor in the loses in 2006 and 2008. They weren’t and they sure didn’t hurt from 1994-2004. What did change? Oh yeah, the party of fiscal conservatism starting spending like a pimp with a week to live.

Rocks on November 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Yes but, there is almost universal agreement on fiscal conservatism!

So kicking out people because of their social views just puts people with even more liberal social views into office.

Focusing on the fiscal views makes much more sense.

Focusing on social views is counter productive to promoting conservative social values!

petunia on November 12, 2009 at 1:45 PM

He has jumped off of a 50 story building. At the 30th floor, he says, “so far so good”.

Vashta.Nerada on November 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM

All of these poll numbersa are SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERSTATED because of people’s fear of being called racist.

notagool on November 12, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Racist.

mankai on November 12, 2009 at 12:43 PM

:’)

leftnomore on November 12, 2009 at 2:32 PM

So kicking out people because of their social views just puts people with even more liberal social views into office.

Focusing on the fiscal views makes much more sense.

Focusing on social views is counter productive to promoting conservative social values!

petunia on November 12, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Who is kicking people out because of their social views?
Or do you mean not voting for them in a primary?
It’s not the same thing.

Rocks on November 12, 2009 at 2:32 PM

The Democrats are making themselves into a minority party by pursuing a radical, leftist agenda.

So if Republicans adopt a radically conservative agenda, the independents should come flocking, and everyone who says otherwise is a traitorous RINO, right?

hicsuget on November 12, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Being “socially liberal but fiscally conservative” is what gives you Arnold Schwarzenegger. When push comes to shove, they become equally liberal, they have no guiding light nor respect for God-given life. I’m afraid it’s pretty much a package deal.

leftnomore on November 12, 2009 at 2:34 PM

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