Comments on: NY-23: Not over yet?

By: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Doug Hoffman: I’m un-conceding NY-23

Hot Air » Blog Archive » Doug Hoffman: I’m un-conceding NY-23 — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:28:10 +0000

[...] Think Progress. Ed’s already written about how improbable a Hoffman win is. Even so, the “count every ballot” schtick is smart politics [...]

By: Doug Hoffman Announces He’s “Un-Conceding” NY-23 Race On Glenn Beck Show « Nice Deb

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:06:53 +0000

[...] Ed Morrisey threw cold water on the prospect, last week, when it was widely reported that Hoffman still had a chance: Now that Owens has taken the oath of office, the count of absentee ballots is technically moot. The House would have to reject Owens in a floor challenge in order to seat Hoffman instead. That’s even less likely than Hoffman winning the election with a 3026-vote gap prior to the absentee ballot count. [...]

By: HonestConservative

HonestConservative — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:01:58 +0000

Thousands of Absentee votes mostly from the military would almost certainly turn the election, should they be actual military votes.

That being said, I’ll not be holding my breath.

By: Sultry Beauty

Sultry Beauty — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:38:22 +0000

Others beat me to it but two words, Al Franken. Coming from the most disgraceful state doesn’t mean the probability is less elsewhere. I think it’s sad that Republicans think that you give up your rights or your legal fights and arguments by being the nice guy. No, that’s just being the loser. So if giving up is what you mean by being politically civil and honorable then I say, “Screw it!” Next time I hear the “we have to be respectful” or “we have to follow the Party line” or “we must not stoop to their level” stuff I’m gonna reply, “Dede, all bets are off.” Republicans must know by now that not all Conservatives are made equal. Some Conservatives are able but not all can do this with one hand tied behind their backs. I know you think it’s be fair but, honestly, you’re wrong.

By: MirCat

MirCat — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:02:04 +0000

If Al Franken can do it. . .

- The Cat

By: Enoxo

Enoxo — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:42:32 +0000

Most of all, why the hell was someone sworn into office who was not certified? I thought that wasn’t allowed.

By: Enoxo

Enoxo — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:41:45 +0000

What does this mean for the health care bill? Hoffman would have voted with Repubs, Cao would have then voted for Repubs as he did not want to be the deciding vote for Dems…

That would have given 218/217. Would other Blue Dogs who would have voted against it, had they seen Hoffman win, thereby causing the passage to fail?

Doesn’t this make the passing against House rules at minimum, unconstitutional at most, because someone who wasn’t elected cast a vote?

By: lilium

lilium — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:33:12 +0000

We need ACORN!

By: Dr. ZhivBlago

Dr. ZhivBlago — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:33:05 +0000

with over 10,000 absentee ballots left to count

HUH????

By: Daemonocracy

Daemonocracy — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:29:13 +0000

Hoffmann did the right thing in conceding on election night. Rather than let this play out through one ugly challenge after another, it brings class to Hoffmann, and gives him good standing to launch a better campaign in 2012 as the Republican candidate. Drawing out a longshot recount would simply hurt his chances in 2012.

Nethicus on November 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Hoffman is a one and done candidate. The only way he is running again is if he were to win that seat otherwise his candidacy was more about sending a message about conservatism over RINOs instead of the candidate himself. The GOP will put up another conservative but more refined candidate the next time around. Hoffman really had nothing to lose by stalling for a week, maybe two.

By: FWDAJ 11-10-09 - Fun With Dick & Jane

FWDAJ 11-10-09 - Fun With Dick & Jane — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:16:06 +0000

[...] defeated Corzine in NJ and McDonnell defeated Deeds in VA. Doug Hoffman lost, but we learn today not all the votes were counted (and still haven’t been counted.) Hoffman is 3000 votes behind with 10,000 to be counted. [...]

By: Daemonocracy

Daemonocracy — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:06:31 +0000

Hoffman should have hung on for a little bit longer to prevent Owens from voting. I realize hindsight is 20/20 but even at the time I was still surprised he conceded so quickly. You’d think that someone in the GOP who gets paid to play political hardball would have thought it best for Owens to hold out for the weekend of the vote? Cao most likely would not hav voted for the bill then because he waited until the bill was passed before voting for it which leads me to believe he did not want to be the tie breaker in favor of it.

Then again, Owens did outright lie that he was against the public option so maybe the GOP figured he would be a man of his word.

Just another strategic failure by the Republican party leaders.

By: Patrick Banks

Patrick Banks — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:59:48 +0000

A better bit of recount news: suozzi lawyer we're 4th quarter down two touchdowns

By: NY-23 House Race Still Up in the Air? « DBKP FLASH Headline News

NY-23 House Race Still Up in the Air? « DBKP FLASH Headline News — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:41:20 +0000

[...] NY-23: Not over yet?. Ed Morrissey, Hot Air think it’s highly improbable that Hoffman can make up the deficit in [...]

By: lukespapa

lukespapa — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:23:38 +0000

If Owens is booted, will scuzzyfava be invited back on msnbc?

By: jlemieu1

jlemieu1 — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:22:39 +0000

Look at MN. Stranger things have happened.

By: Geochelone

Geochelone — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:14:38 +0000

Hannity is talking about this NY23 right now.

If Hoffman had not conceeded, Owens would not have been sworn in on time to vote for Pelosi’s bloated monstrosity.

We need better strategery, and obviously, better technology to count votes. Ya think?

Good Post Ed,

Long Live HotAir.

By: Sir Napsalot

Sir Napsalot — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:11:24 +0000

Now we will hear more previously unknown ballot boxes out of the woodworks of Dem precinct capt’s closets/basements/whatever.

Stimulus money gotta be spent somewhere, no?

By: Buddahpundit

Buddahpundit — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:02:51 +0000

And they haven’t arrested anyone for the obvious fraud yet? I’m sure the Founders would have assumed this type of thing would always be a hanging offense.

Owens not suspending his office while this fraud is being uncovered is unconscionable and makes him an accomplice rather than an innocent person who benefitted from a crime carried out on his behalf.

By: Rocks

Rocks — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:52:52 +0000

johnsteele on November 12, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Owens was never certified the winner.

By: CP

CP — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:37:04 +0000

I think it’s absurd that a member could be sworn in before the votes are counted and the election is certified. That shouldn’t be allowed.

By: johnsteele

johnsteele — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:32:11 +0000

I don’t understand, or accept, the argument that because Hoffman conceded its over. It isn’t over until the state Secretary of State certifies the election and he/she cannot legally certify the election for someone who did not win.

If Hoffman ends up with more votes, admittedly a long shot but not impossible, I would think that legally, morally and ethically the New York State government would have no choice but to decertify Owens and certify Hoffman; and because states control the elections the House would have no choice but to accept the outcome. Of course this all goes out the window because Democrats are supposed to win.

By: ted c

ted c — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:16:03 +0000

That’s the democrat way. Fight to a close race, contest every result and throw doubt into anything close, declare yourself the winner. It’s the Gore2K way…

By: JustTruth101

JustTruth101 — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:15:50 +0000

Too bad Hoffman didn’t refuse to concede until all the votes were counted and irregularities resoved…that’s what Franken did. It would have caused enough of a delay where Owens wouldn’t have been sworn in and Pelosi might not have had her 220. I know she only needed 218, but Cao’s vote was # 219, and he might not have cast the decider, and if he didn’t, maybe the last dem wouldn’t have either. But it would have just delayed the inevitable. Nancy would have gotten her 218 by twisting somebody else’s arm.

By: hawkman

hawkman — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:13:26 +0000

A Hail Mary is in the air!