NY-23: Not over yet?
posted at 12:55 pm on November 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
A recanvassing of votes in the NY-23 special Congressional election has turned up a surprise. Bill Owens, the Democrat who won the seat and ended a long period of Republican hegemony, has already been sworn into office, but the vote counts now show Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman much closer than thought on Election Night. Thought to be down over 5300 votes, the final counts in the district show Hoffman trailing by 3,026 — with over 10,000 absentee ballots left to count:
Conservative Doug Hoffman conceded the race in the 23rd Congressional District last week after receiving two pieces of grim news for his campaign: He was down 5,335 votes with 93 percent of the vote counted on election night, and he had barely won his stronghold in Oswego County.
As it turns out, neither was true. …
Democratic Rep. Bill Owens was quickly sworn into office on Friday, a day before the rare weekend vote in the House of Representatives. His support sealed his party’s narrow victory on the health care legislation.
Now a recanvassing in the 11-county district shows that Owens’ lead has narrowed to 3,026 votes over Hoffman, 66,698 to 63,672, according to the latest unofficial results from the state Board of Elections.
Jim Geraghty wonders whether this would could mean that Hoffman might still prevail:
Note that Hoffman conceded the race on Election Night. This may get really interesting, or it may simply reveal that Bill Ownes won with fewer votes than we thought.
It’s almost certainly the latter. It is not outside mathematical possibility that Hoffman could make up the difference, but it’s pushing the limits of probability to the breaking point. Remember that when most of these absentee ballots were cast, Dede Scozzafava was still in the race, with the Republican endorsement. Hoffman didn’t catch up until the last two weeks, and the polling didn’t change until the final week, which finally pushed Scozzafava out of the race.
In order to win the election, Hoffman would have to get 3,027 more ballots than Owens while holding off Scozzafava supporters. That would require him to win more than half of all absentees, mostly cast at a time when Hoffman trailed the other two candidates. He would need to win 6,027 votes while Hoffman got no more than 3,000 and Scozzafava no more than 1200, or something similar. Hoffman would definitely have to win at least a majority in order to gain that 3,027 margin that would allow him to win the race.
Possible? Yes. But very, very, very improbable. It’s much more likely that the three split the remaining absentee ballots equally, or that Hoffman came in second or third among them. The rational potential for gain by Hoffman would be in the low hundreds, not the thousands, in a three-person race.
It does bring up an interesting point. Now that Owens has taken the oath of office, the count of absentee ballots is technically moot. The House would have to reject Owens in a floor challenge in order to seat Hoffman instead. That’s even less likely than Hoffman winning the election with a 3026-vote gap prior to the absentee ballot count.
Update: Hot Air reader Bob S forwards this link:
As it stands now, Bill Owens may be in Washington and voting the Pelosi Party line but when the vote is certified he may be ousted. The state Board of Elections indicated that “…all ballots will be counted, and if the result changes, Owens will have to be removed.” Concession speech or not, if the voters in the 23rd District elected Doug Hoffman and not Bill Owens, then Hoffman will be the Representative.
Concessions hold no legal status. They’re a nicety. One of my left-of-center Twitter friends @Rawls also concurred. However, given the wide gap in ballots and the number remaining to be counted, don’t expect this to be much of an issue.










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Now we will hear more previously unknown ballot boxes out of the woodworks of Dem precinct capt’s closets/basements/whatever.
Stimulus money gotta be spent somewhere, no?
Sir Napsalot on November 12, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Hannity is talking about this NY23 right now.
If Hoffman had not conceeded, Owens would not have been sworn in on time to vote for Pelosi’s bloated monstrosity.
We need better strategery, and obviously, better technology to count votes. Ya think?
Good Post Ed,
Long Live HotAir.
Geochelone on November 12, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Look at MN. Stranger things have happened.
jlemieu1 on November 12, 2009 at 3:22 PM
If Owens is booted, will scuzzyfava be invited back on msnbc?
lukespapa on November 12, 2009 at 3:23 PM
A better bit of recount news:
suozzi lawyer we’re 4th quarter down two touchdowns
Patrick Banks on November 12, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Hoffman should have hung on for a little bit longer to prevent Owens from voting. I realize hindsight is 20/20 but even at the time I was still surprised he conceded so quickly. You’d think that someone in the GOP who gets paid to play political hardball would have thought it best for Owens to hold out for the weekend of the vote? Cao most likely would not hav voted for the bill then because he waited until the bill was passed before voting for it which leads me to believe he did not want to be the tie breaker in favor of it.
Then again, Owens did outright lie that he was against the public option so maybe the GOP figured he would be a man of his word.
Just another strategic failure by the Republican party leaders.
Daemonocracy on November 12, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Hoffman is a one and done candidate. The only way he is running again is if he were to win that seat otherwise his candidacy was more about sending a message about conservatism over RINOs instead of the candidate himself. The GOP will put up another conservative but more refined candidate the next time around. Hoffman really had nothing to lose by stalling for a week, maybe two.
Daemonocracy on November 12, 2009 at 4:29 PM
HUH????
Dr. ZhivBlago on November 12, 2009 at 4:33 PM
We need ACORN!
lilium on November 12, 2009 at 4:33 PM
What does this mean for the health care bill? Hoffman would have voted with Repubs, Cao would have then voted for Repubs as he did not want to be the deciding vote for Dems…
That would have given 218/217. Would other Blue Dogs who would have voted against it, had they seen Hoffman win, thereby causing the passage to fail?
Doesn’t this make the passing against House rules at minimum, unconstitutional at most, because someone who wasn’t elected cast a vote?
Enoxo on November 12, 2009 at 6:41 PM
Most of all, why the hell was someone sworn into office who was not certified? I thought that wasn’t allowed.
Enoxo on November 12, 2009 at 6:42 PM
If Al Franken can do it. . .
- The Cat
MirCat on November 13, 2009 at 8:02 AM
Others beat me to it but two words, Al Franken. Coming from the most disgraceful state doesn’t mean the probability is less elsewhere. I think it’s sad that Republicans think that you give up your rights or your legal fights and arguments by being the nice guy. No, that’s just being the loser. So if giving up is what you mean by being politically civil and honorable then I say, “Screw it!” Next time I hear the “we have to be respectful” or “we have to follow the Party line” or “we must not stoop to their level” stuff I’m gonna reply, “Dede, all bets are off.” Republicans must know by now that not all Conservatives are made equal. Some Conservatives are able but not all can do this with one hand tied behind their backs. I know you think it’s be fair but, honestly, you’re wrong.
Sultry Beauty on November 13, 2009 at 10:38 AM
Thousands of Absentee votes mostly from the military would almost certainly turn the election, should they be actual military votes.
That being said, I’ll not be holding my breath.
HonestConservative on November 13, 2009 at 11:01 AM
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