Breaking: Hasan wired money to Pakistan?
posted at 11:40 am on November 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
This would appear to indicate that Nidal Hasan was something other than a loner who cracked under the strain of vicarious PTSD. The man who made a $90,000 annual salary but lived like a pauper may have sent money to Pakistan, according to Rep. Pete Hoekstra:
Authorities have been examining whether Fort Hood massacre suspect Nidal Malik Hasan wired money to Pakistan in recent months, an action that one senior lawmaker said would raise serious questions about Hasan’s possible connections to militant Islamic groups.
Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., said sources “outside of the [intelligence] community” learned about Hasan’s possible connections to the Asian country, which faces a massive Islamist insurgency and is widely believed to be Osama bin Laden’s hiding place.
That would explain one mystery that has arisen since the shooting, but apparently didn’t push anyone to connect a few dots before it:
Hasan’s finances have been a mystery since last week, when the Army major and psychiatrist allegedly shot and killed 13 colleagues at the sprawling Central Texas military base. Hasan earned more than $90,000 a year and had no dependents, yet lived in an aging one-bedroom apartment that rented for about $300 a month.
“You can bet there is an ongoing, extensive investigation into every single financial transaction he made,” said Matt Orwig, a former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Texas who has no direct knowledge of the Hasan case. “Federal investigative agencies are very good at tracing the flow of money, both to him and from him.”
Hmmm. So now we have the possibility of overseas money transfers to Pakistan at about the same time the FBI was made aware of repeated communication between Hasan and a 9/11 figure in Yemen. Meanwhile, Hasan — a well-paid medical professional — lived a lifestyle of near-poverty despite living by himself. And no one in the intelligence community thought this required further investigation?
Can the feds track the money, if indeed Hasan has been funding jihadist enemies of the US? Possibly, although the Dallas Morning News notes that Muslims in Pakistan and other areas of radicalization use a transaction form known as hawala. That leaves no paper trail, although any large unexplained cash withdrawals would indicate something nefarious afoot. Transfers to family would not need to get laundered through hawala or have to be conducted outside of normal banking operations, after all.
If prosecutors can prove that Hasan sent money to jihadists in Pakistan, charges of treason become a lot more likely. It would also force the government to consider this a planned terrorist attack, which they have been reluctant so far to conclude.
Update: Had the FBI pressed the connection between Hasan and Aulaqi, perhaps they might have discovered any possible irregularities with Hasan’s finances in time to stop him.
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Still irritated at being scolded not to “speculate” about Hasan.
But where the money went was an early question – why was he living in a ratty dump far from peers when he had no dependents and could have lived frugally but in a nicer place? Why was he living like a refugee?
Early speculation – he was supporting “charities” or radical islam.
SarahW on November 12, 2009 at 12:17 PM
The Emperor is butt-naked and 300 million Americans see it but won’t say it. Political correctness has become more than mere media propagandizing. This incident shows that it can be deadly.
Speak your minds, folks. Everyone who does so encourages others to likewise speak without regard to personal consequences.
Venusian Visitor on November 12, 2009 at 12:18 PM
I’d like to give a shout out to Cousin Pookie. — Preznit Wee Weed
alliebobbitt on November 12, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Again, we NEED to have anti-political correctness rallies. We need people to realise that the PC-nazis are the reason why race relations are going downhill, why our security is at stake, and why our country is going down the tubes.
One thing that we can all do for a start is no longer using the term (insert nationality)-American. Instead, say black, hispanic, asian, etc.
DethMetalCookieMonst on November 12, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Wait’ll we see what Pakistan wires back.
profitsbeard on November 12, 2009 at 12:23 PM
So? He may have been supporting a starving child in Pakistan.
/lib narrative
GoodBoy on November 12, 2009 at 12:26 PM
What is scariest is how so many people don’t WANT to learn. They would rather be killed than be politically incorrect. People that stupid are brainwashed.
BTW, here is another jihadist attack that Debbie Schlussel reports on today that the MSM isn’t reporting. A Muslim worker goes into a rage at a mall and rips off a customer’s crucifix with no warning and then goes into terrorist mode shouting “Allah is Power!” And the idiotic PC police lieutenant decides it is no worse than what Christians do.
Debbie Schlussel is reporting it. Why no one else? http://www.debbieschlussel.com/11982/more-religion-of-peace-peacefulness-on-us-soil/
Gabe on November 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Come on Ed. Hasan only wanted to order an oriental rug and since Pakistan does not have paypal, he had to send cash.
Johan Klaus on November 12, 2009 at 12:29 PM
But, but… orange told me that this cannot possibly be terrorism! He didn’t want to influence our government in any way, or scare people! So I’ll go stick my head in the sand again!
Vanceone on November 12, 2009 at 12:32 PM
You (unintentionally) bring up a good point. Since we don’t yet know exactly to whom Hasan was wiring the money, we don’t know what the reaction should have been. If he was wiring it to an organization that is not on the list of terrorist organizations, then he didn’t do anything illegal. Thus, while it would be prudent to keep monitoring him, you couldn’t lock him up for it.
I think it’s absolutely worth asking questions about what the FBI knew, when they knew it, and what they did about it. But it’s not wise to jump to conclusions. I haven’t seen any evidence that Hasan did anything illegal. Fishy? Yes, very fishy. But nothing that you can put him in jail for.
orange on November 12, 2009 at 12:32 PM
It’s a bit of a rush job, and don’t tell Corbis, but..
fastest Photoshop evah!
EnglishMike on November 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM
DethMetal at 12:22
I am missing part of your message. The destruction of the “melting pot” concept of the United States was, I believe, a turning point that has led to where we are now.
Perhaps your thoughts are along the same lines?
GaltBlvnAtty on November 12, 2009 at 12:38 PM
wired money? That means he is altruistic.
seven on November 12, 2009 at 12:38 PM
A) This is false. I’ve always said that I’m open-minded to the possibility that it is terrorism. I’m just not yet convinced by the evidence that has come out.
B) What new information in this post suggests that Hasan wanted to influence the government or terrorize the population?
Was he motivated by Radical Islamism? Yes, I think that’s pretty well established by now. But we don’t really know what he was attempting to accomplish with this attack – not yet. I’m remaining open-minded.
BTW, what difference does it really make? I care about it because I care about the definitions of words. Kind of a literalist that way. But we all agree that he committed a terrible crime. Can anyone explain why it’s important that this attack be called “terrorism”? What benefits come from calling it terrorism that would not come from calling it something else?
I understand that you feel that it’s important that Hasan’s religious extremism be listed as a contributing factor – perhaps the primary reason for his crime. And it should be. There is much to suggest that if everything was the same about Hasan, but he wasnt succumbing to Islamic fundamentalism, this may not have happened. It’s valid for you to want that to be conveyed by the media.
But why does this need to be terrorism when Columbine and Virginia Tech were not?
orange on November 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM
I’ll bet Obama had been briefed about Hasan. If not Obama, then Holder.
notagool on November 12, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Gabe at 12:27
There are plenty of Americans who simply are afraid to speak out. The tea partys have made some strides toward attacking that fear, but there is a long way to go. The Ft. Hood attack should further Americans’ willingness to speak up.
GaltBlvnAtty on November 12, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Correcto mondo..
Caper29 on November 12, 2009 at 12:43 PM
That’s actually not as suspicious as it sounds by itself. There are dot-com billionaires who, years after their success, used the same car and apartments they did when they were grad students. Some people are just wired for austerity. It’s the other aspects that should have raised the red flags. And, of course, the media shouldn’t have confused his austerity (the state of spending little money) with poverty (the state of earning little money).
calbear on November 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Wow. Obtuse orange.
Aviator on November 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM
“You can bet there is an ongoing, extensive investigation into every single financial transaction he made,” said Matt Orwig, a former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Texas who has no direct knowledge of the Hasan case. “Federal investigative agencies are very good at tracing the flow of money, both to him and from him.”
Hmm. Yeah, man, but who cares? If you have to filter out your results for diversity what does it matter.
Find all TRANSACTION where TO_COUNTRY != ‘POKEESTAHN’ and TO_REGION != ‘MIDDLE_EAST’
just won’t hack it.
alexwest on November 12, 2009 at 12:45 PM
I’m pretty much on the same page. The discussion about what they should have done, knowing this or that, reminds me a LOT of VA Tech aftermath. Every college in the country immediately beefed up their early warning system to students. They, too, had a problem because professors HAD informed the school that he was unstable. Nothing was done.
If they find some discussion and/or evidence or even if he proclaims that this was a terrorist act (which he may well do), then it’s a pure suicide bomber deal.
I still see a lot of evidence to support that he was unravelling for a long time.
AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 12:46 PM
If the feds know he wired money to Pakistan (90K!), he must have done it through non-hawala channels. Accordingly, he either structured the transfers to avoid Bank Secrecy Act reporting (a crime, if memory serves) or he sent it all at once. If he sent it all at once, the transfer agent would have been required to report the transfer to the feds.
Infidoll on November 12, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Agent orange.
Johan Klaus on November 12, 2009 at 12:47 PM
I can’t not believe the stupidity of not calling this terrorism or jihad.
Do a little reading, there is a great article at National Review. There’s another one too today but I can’t remember where it was. I’ll get back to you although neither orange nor Ann will read it.
ORconservative on November 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Killing members of the U.S. military. Does the U.S.S. Cole ring a bell?
Johan Klaus on November 12, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Do you think that suicide bombers are rational? Are they terrorist?
Johan Klaus on November 12, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Oh, yeah, power line.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024938.php
Here’s the national review
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDM4YWY3NmRlNWQ4OTFhNWYxZTE3ZDdlNzdhM2I0ZGU=&w=MA==
Look, this guy committed an act of war. He, for his side, attacking the enemy (our side). It is in his words and writings and actions and his money wiring.
Columbine and VA had no political motive and did not invlove an ongoing war. This is incredibly simple and denying it gives cover and opens the door to more enemy attacks.
ORconservative on November 12, 2009 at 12:55 PM
I am so glad someone is finally questioning where his money went.
Vera on November 12, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Why does this need to be terrorism? Well, I’m okay with calling it treason too, which it is. But it’s important because Terrorism reminds people we are fighting a radical ideology who prefers to target civilians or those who cannot fight back. Columbine and Virginia Tech were revenge, a “I am pissed at the world.” Hasan had no reason to be pissed off other than his ideological beliefs. That’s a totally different thing than imagined grievances/lust for fame.
In short–just how many Hasan’s are we coddling because of YOUR attitude, Orange? That we should look anywhere for any reason to excuse this except radical Islam? Maybe we SHOULD investigate radical Islamists in this country. Or is that a too frightening thought for you liberal ilk?
Vanceone on November 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Well, you make a good point. It’s fairly hard to make a distinction. I guess it’s the matter of who asked him to do it. Himself (which it looks like) or some outside agent.
AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Most likely Hasan was not an isolated madman or a pissed-off sole Muslim terrorist but a cool, calculating executioner acting under orders.
MaiDee on November 12, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Basically what I’m saying is that we need to no longer use politically-correct phrase and have rallies showing that political-correctness has to end. And yes, political correct has indeed destroyed the “melting pot” concept.
I cringe any time I hear a conservative say “African American” instead of “black” or some other PC-drivel. Same with how many conservatives jumped on the chance to call that guy who said “nappy-headed-ho” the worst of names just so they wouldn’t be accused of being a racist even though “nappy-headed ho” isn’t racist.
DethMetalCookieMonst on November 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Mullah Moolah?
faraway on November 12, 2009 at 1:01 PM
A terrorist act can be committed by an individual or a group. Your comment does not make much sense.
Aviator on November 12, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Annin:
Islam asked him to do it, and he did. There will be more individual actions like this.
GaltBlvnAtty on November 12, 2009 at 1:02 PM
I’m still waiting for the follow-up statement. You know, the one where Obama tells us all: NOW it’s OK to start connecting the dots.
Until that happens I’m going to be a good little American, do what I’m told, keep my brain safely switched to the “OFF” position and trust the government to do all my thinking for me.
And you’ll do the same if you know what’s good for you.
logis on November 12, 2009 at 1:04 PM
My point doesn’t revolve around lone or group. It revolves around planning from the outside. Was his decision directed by Al Qaida or not?
So far, we’re seeing he contacted. We haven’t yet seen a direct link.
BTW, I don’t care if it’s called terrorism or not. That seems to have become political fodder mostly.
I am curious to see if there’s going to emerge that someone did specifically direct him to this action.
AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 1:05 PM
I actually agree with orange here, but on different reasoning. Terrorism is such a vague term as to be meaningless. That is why I dislike the term “War on Terror” so much. It is a euphemism, and a poor one at that.
Best I can tell, “terrorism” is a term that is used to give credence to non-uniformed militia, there by bringing its practitioners on par with Geneva Convention adherents and uniformed military while simultaneously conflating their ends.
For instance: Can anyone truly say that a town in Iraq is not subjected to “terror” when the US Army comes to clean out the local Al-Q or other thugs?
I would be terrified. Would you? I bet you would be. You would fear for your life and that of your family and friends – even though you may wish the US Army all the success in the world and that the barbarians operating your city had never been born.
No, using the “War on Terror” and “terrorism” prevents us from making the objective assertion about who and what we are actually fighting. This is a war on Mohammadan Totalitarianism and its adherents be they nation-states, non-goverment organizations, militias (uniformed or not), and individuals.
This guy is a Mohammadan Totalitarian, or, at the very least an Mohammadan Supremacist. As such, I consider his attack on United States troops and fort as an act of War by non-uniformed militia.
The incident should be investigated and reviewed by a military tribunal which should produce a finding of fact and recommend any course of action.
With the current state of published facts my rec would be the death penalty, however, all the facts are not in, and I reserve the right to change my mind should it turn out he was drugged and hypnotized by a sleeper cell or something…
alexwest on November 12, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Ed, you just got another acknowledgment from Rush. No wonder your head is getting so big.
SKYFOX on November 12, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Just to clarify, since the story does NOT indicate the amount of money being transfered (I thought it did), the feds would not have noticed the transfer if it was under the BSA reporting limit. As I said before, the transfer MUST have been through a legitimate channel, otherwise the feds wouldn’t know about it. I also doubt, for a variety of reasons, that Hassan was using a false name. In fact, I can’t help but wonder whether he was making the transfers through that convenience store where his pal works (convenience stores often have a money transfer biz on the side). If that’s the case, the owner better hope he reported the transfers in accordance with the law.
Infidoll on November 12, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Right, there will be more. Read the above articles. The National review one details the incidents of terrorism that have happened or have been stopped since 9/11. These are thoughful acts against Americans/infidels. Ft Hood is just the most spectacular since 9/11 and they will continue until we get serious about fighting the enemy.
There is another article today that details how this PC crap is really Shria law without being called such. That is at The American Thinker.
Read and get educated because right now ignorance is a big part of the problem in the defense of this nation.
ORconservative on November 12, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Ed,
Rush just read your post live. Dude, you are on fire.
Oh btw, you might want to warn your hosting company.
Blacksmith8 on November 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM
I fear you’re right, but hoping for better.
AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 1:11 PM
KILLING 13 people at Ft.Hood isn’t Treason????
Somebody shoot me.
bridgetown on November 12, 2009 at 1:13 PM
I think we need to find out whether Hasan ever visited the White House. He’s been in contact with every other terrorist organization. He was in the Obama transitional team conference. Were any of these team members invited to the White House?? Why is Obama keeping White House visitor logs secret?
JellyToast on November 12, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Did you just quote yourself?
alexwest on November 12, 2009 at 1:13 PM
It is important to call this what it is: an act of terrorism. If not then it will be dismissed as a lone nut who “cracked”, something many are already attempting. Your “he was unravelling for a long time” pushes that meme. He did what fundamentalist islam told him to.
Aviator on November 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Ed will never get another interview with Obama.
faraway on November 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Meme Alert: 14 died – not 13.
faraway on November 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM
I would, but if I had to guess: You’d shoot back! ;)
Besides, you have common sense – and that is too valuable a commodity these days.
alexwest on November 12, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Briefed, yes. But by whom and why? Those would make some great fireside terror stories and thrillers.
Blacksmith8 on November 12, 2009 at 1:15 PM
FIFY
alexwest on November 12, 2009 at 1:16 PM
Rush reads Hot Air all the time…which is a little crazy. haha. I wonder if he’s a secret commenter? :)
He linked MadisonConservative’s greenroom post on his site yesterday:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_110909/home.guest.html
*left hand side Article:HA: Anti-Gun Nuts Seek Ft. Hood Gun Ban
Diane on November 12, 2009 at 1:17 PM
I sure did! I intended to quote Galtblvnatty.
AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 1:19 PM
And they will all be totally unrelated.
/snarc?
Blacksmith8 on November 12, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Blacksmith8 on November 12, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Well, of course they will be unrelated. These crazy people don’t know each other/sarc
ORconservative on November 12, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Sounds like the guy couldn’t have been any clearer about his intentions and that we were in complete denial every step of the way. I wonder if an average American soldier had behaved this way if he/she would have been tossed out years ago.
Sounds like the guy was a traitor long before he was a mass murderer. Seriously, we didn’t catch that?
scalleywag on November 12, 2009 at 1:22 PM
I don’t see any chance that this is going to be dismissed lightly.
Regardless of the terminology, the reality is what it is. We have never figured out how to stop mass murderers in advance. The signs are always there, but we always put it together in hindsight. There are always contributing factors by either the institution or family or whatever.
It’s just a tragedy. Let’s hope the Army employs some new processes in the future. Let’s hope it leads to better cooperation with agencies.
AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM
Well, now you’re calling it an act of war. An act of war is different from an act of terrorism, right?
(BTW, before you answer, remember that many things the US Military does would be considered terrorism except for the fact that they fall under the rules of war)
orange on November 12, 2009 at 1:25 PM
Well, was the WTC destruction an act of war or terrorism?
ORconservative on November 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM
Apparently it was an act of Post-Flight-School Stress Disorder.
mankai on November 12, 2009 at 1:32 PM
too funny, mankai. I think orange is having to think on that one. Thanks for answering for him.
ORconservative on November 12, 2009 at 1:34 PM
What attitude of mine are you referring to? That I believe things should actually fit the definition of terrorism if they are to be called terrorism? I’m not sure why that would coddle anyone. I think there are plenty of terrible crimes (such as Virginia Tech) that arent called terrorism but should be stopped if at all possible.
Have I suggested that radical Islamists should be coddled? When did I say such a thing?
I’m all for throwing the book at Hasan (obviously). I’m open to an investigation to see *if* this was terrorism. I definitely think that we should explore what the FBI knew and what was their rationale for their inaction. I’m open to the possibility that the FBI screwed up in a major way, perhaps due to overwrought concerns about being sensitive to Muslims (while I think it is wise and just to be sensitive to Muslims, I also think that suspicious behavior by an Army Major must be investigated. I’m not yet sure how I feel about the FBI’s decisions here, since we only have seen the tip of the iceberg thus far).
So I think you may be assuming things about my attitude that aren’t actually there.
orange on November 12, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Terrorism.
orange on November 12, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Why? why wouldn’t it be an act of war where we were attacked?
ORconservative on November 12, 2009 at 1:37 PM
If you’re going somewhere with this, go ahead and go.
I mean, I really don’t feel like arguing about whether 9/11 was a terrorist act or not. It was. The vast majority of the population of the planet agrees on this.
orange on November 12, 2009 at 1:40 PM
The creep lawyered up immediately. He’s been charged with premeditated murder.
AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 1:42 PM
YOU owe me a new monitor!
Old Hippie Vet on November 12, 2009 at 1:42 PM
IMHO this was first an act of treason, and the first sign that he thought the enemy we were fighting was not his enemy is when he should have been thrown out of the military.
scalleywag on November 12, 2009 at 1:43 PM
Actually, CAIR got to him, his family, and the media within hours.
faraway on November 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM
I’m not going anywhere, you are the flame thrower reminding me that our army is guity of something or other.
This jerk attacked his fellow servicemen/women and I believe it was both terrorism and an act of war. Certialny treasonous.
But to say he was a nutjob who snapped or anything of the kind is giving the enemy cover.
ORconservative on November 12, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Finding connections would advance our knowledge, but we do not need additional information to understand this: Radical Islam encourages individual attacks on infidels, like us. Those individual attacks are acts of terrorism, and we are likely soon to see more of them.
GaltBlvnAtty on November 12, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Did Hoekstra learn this from the briefing he was supposed to get? or from outside sources?
Because the administration is blocking information getting to Republicans in Congress.
That says it all right there doesn’t it?
When I heard the admonition not to “jump to conclusions” my first thought was, “what do they know that we don’t know?”
Well it turns out they knew alot! And they thought they could hide it before we found out! GRRRRRR.
petunia on November 12, 2009 at 1:56 PM
The top headline on CAIR’s website reads:
U.S. Muslims Condemn Attack at Fort Hood
Just thought you might like to know that.
orange on November 12, 2009 at 1:58 PM
You see this is the difference between us. I see terrorism and treasonous murder… you only see premeditated murder.
One is a common crime. One an act of war.
petunia on November 12, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Debbie Schlussel is reporting it. Why no one else? http://www.debbieschlussel.com/11982/more-religion-of-peace-peacefulness-on-us-soil/
Gabe on November 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM
This illustrates that not only is LE caught in the PC irrationality imposed by progressive leftists that defends our enemies, but of “respect for the law” no matter how insane the said law would also enforce ordinances written in the interest of attacking us.
Through our bastions of legal scholarship indoctrination, the nation’s DA offices are now infiltrated with those that will not prosecute (see; E.Holder, DOJ, New Black Panthers) our attackers, but will bring everthing they have to bear against their own people. This is by the textbook the definition of a 5th column, and the scary part is that they can count Police Dept’s to enforce their madness.
Icannot rember the title or author who coined the term anti-anti-communist, but that is what we are facing. Every last ideology that abhors the concepts of free markets, free peoples, and free thought have coalesced under the banner of “Politically-Correct”. Which itself is an oxymoron that the antithesis of political freedom.
You name the “ism” and you can quote their front men/women citing capitalism as the culprit of every ailment across the planet. Islamo-fascism, Socialism, Communism, Enviromentalism, Inclusism, none of which have any clear-cut reason based realistic solutions for anything but our destruction. With the emasculation of America and it’s evil ways, all will be resolved and we can all live in a Disneyesque Utopia ever-after.
We are surrounded on all sides by hostiles and have 5th columnists in charge at most every pivotal position, even if the sleeping masses were to awaken from there stupor, would it be enough? Or have we, like Nero, fiddled while burned all around us and failed realize it until all was already ashes?
I am really begining to doubt we have risen to the challenge in time to reverse the course.
Archimedes on November 12, 2009 at 1:59 PM
It’s in the WaPo article. He’s been charged with premeditated murder….13 counts.
AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 2:00 PM
So I guess the servicemembers at Walter Reed who knew Hasan are also treasonous for having suggested such a thing.
orange on November 12, 2009 at 2:01 PM
OK, let’s define terrorism for starts: The following is found in the definition subsection of U.S. Code Title 18 § 2332b:
So the question is, were the victims killed in an attempt to intimidate or retaliate against the U.S. Government? If the reports are true that he didn’t want to be deployed, and to some extent targeted people who had been involved in his deployment orders, that sounds like retaliation against government conduct to me.
That he harbored resentment over his supposed “abuse” as a Muslim in the military, and that he commenced his shooting spree by exclaiming “Allahu Akbar!” also is a reasonable basis to infer that his actions were retaliatory. And this is assuming that he had no intention whatsoever of furthering the jihadist cause during his rampage.
As to whether he was unbalanced – well, doesn’t matter unless he was so looney to qualify for an insanity plea, which I very much doubt he was.
Anyone who doesn’t think this is probably terrorism is most likely waiting for O.J. to produce the “real killer.”
Venusian Visitor on November 12, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Because a dude grabbing another dude’s necklace isn’t all that big of a story.
orange on November 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM
The defense: He wired this money to Pakistan because they have better health care and do a better job treating Pre-traumatic Stress Disorder for which he was desperately seeking a cure.
Buy Danish on November 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Okay then that is the difference between me and the ones who only charged murder!
I won’t kill the messenger…. you may live:)
petunia on November 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Also from CAIR
faraway on November 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Orange, are you Muslim?
ORconservative on November 12, 2009 at 2:05 PM
You forgot the sarc tag there orange.
petunia on November 12, 2009 at 2:05 PM
More from CAIR’s Muslim Community Safety Kit
faraway on November 12, 2009 at 2:06 PM
The feds who were supposed to keep US safe from killers like Hasan all failed us, and they are not even sorry for that. They should come forward by themselves and apologise to US first, otherwise all those who condoned Hasan should be indicted as co-conspirators.
I have lost hope in the capabilities of our government to do anything to benefit US.
I have a suspicion that even if Hasan’s shahidi-video shows up on Al-shahab’s website with Gadahan and BinLaden standing next to him, Hasan will never be classified as a muslim terrorist by his collaborators in WH and US government.
For the first time in my adult life, I am ashamed of my country.
macncheez on November 12, 2009 at 2:08 PM
If the DoJ and the Army does it’s job right, and that is a big ass IF now days, they will add more charges.
Old Hippie Vet on November 12, 2009 at 2:08 PM
faraway on November 12, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Add this to possible offenses in subsection (b)(i) above -
Venusian Visitor on November 12, 2009 at 2:13 PM
I always said it’s going to take a lot more dead Americans for the rest of America to wake up from this politically correct nightmare.
Indeed, I am sorry to speculate that it is going to take many more than this dying for the politically correct to wake up.
And they probably will NEVER wake up. They will be among the dead themselves.
Badger40 on November 12, 2009 at 2:13 PM
Murder and treason. The only line longer than Obamacare patients waiting for care, may be the line of volunteers for this dirtbag’s firing squad.
BottomLine5 on November 12, 2009 at 2:25 PM
I agree – it’s a shame that this is necessary.
orange on November 12, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Yeah, it’s funny how in this story, there’s no mention of the attacker’s religion.
orange on November 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM
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