Breaking: Hasan wired money to Pakistan?
posted at 11:40 am on November 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
This would appear to indicate that Nidal Hasan was something other than a loner who cracked under the strain of vicarious PTSD. The man who made a $90,000 annual salary but lived like a pauper may have sent money to Pakistan, according to Rep. Pete Hoekstra:
Authorities have been examining whether Fort Hood massacre suspect Nidal Malik Hasan wired money to Pakistan in recent months, an action that one senior lawmaker said would raise serious questions about Hasan’s possible connections to militant Islamic groups.
Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., said sources “outside of the [intelligence] community” learned about Hasan’s possible connections to the Asian country, which faces a massive Islamist insurgency and is widely believed to be Osama bin Laden’s hiding place.
That would explain one mystery that has arisen since the shooting, but apparently didn’t push anyone to connect a few dots before it:
Hasan’s finances have been a mystery since last week, when the Army major and psychiatrist allegedly shot and killed 13 colleagues at the sprawling Central Texas military base. Hasan earned more than $90,000 a year and had no dependents, yet lived in an aging one-bedroom apartment that rented for about $300 a month.
“You can bet there is an ongoing, extensive investigation into every single financial transaction he made,” said Matt Orwig, a former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Texas who has no direct knowledge of the Hasan case. “Federal investigative agencies are very good at tracing the flow of money, both to him and from him.”
Hmmm. So now we have the possibility of overseas money transfers to Pakistan at about the same time the FBI was made aware of repeated communication between Hasan and a 9/11 figure in Yemen. Meanwhile, Hasan — a well-paid medical professional — lived a lifestyle of near-poverty despite living by himself. And no one in the intelligence community thought this required further investigation?
Can the feds track the money, if indeed Hasan has been funding jihadist enemies of the US? Possibly, although the Dallas Morning News notes that Muslims in Pakistan and other areas of radicalization use a transaction form known as hawala. That leaves no paper trail, although any large unexplained cash withdrawals would indicate something nefarious afoot. Transfers to family would not need to get laundered through hawala or have to be conducted outside of normal banking operations, after all.
If prosecutors can prove that Hasan sent money to jihadists in Pakistan, charges of treason become a lot more likely. It would also force the government to consider this a planned terrorist attack, which they have been reluctant so far to conclude.
Update: Had the FBI pressed the connection between Hasan and Aulaqi, perhaps they might have discovered any possible irregularities with Hasan’s finances in time to stop him.










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It’s absolutely amazing how little we’ve learned from 9/11.
There were a hundred times more hints that this guy was gonna do something than did we have on the 9/11 guys. And nothing was done.
lorien1973 on November 12, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Bush’s War Bush’s War Bush’s War PTSD PTSD PTSD LALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU LALALALA
/MSM failing narrative off
Good Lt on November 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM
What’s the big deal here? I often wire money to Pakistan when I’m feeling a little bit stressed.
EnglishMike on November 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM
*facepalm*
Surprise? No, not really.
I hope those who were Hasan’s CO’s are feeling the hurt they inflicted on the families that Hasan killed because they didn’t do their duty to call in this loon.
upinak on November 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM
It’s INCREDIBLE what PTSD can do these days.
I hope Ibrahim Hooper’s phone is ringing OFF DA HOOK today.
battleoflepanto1571 on November 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM
More of the conclusions and jumping. We’ll never know why.
/
hoosiermama on November 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Can the feds track the money? WTF?
The feds couldn’t even recognize the threat even when it was right in front of them, on stage, giving briefings about it. I am not confident that the feds could track a box labeled “JIHAD MONEY” in 72size font sent to Islamabad from a Killeen, TX US Post Office after this one.
ted c on November 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Come on. The man killed 13 men and women in uniform, one a police officer. If that’s not considered treason, nothing ever should be.
Esthier on November 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM
FUBAR
RobD on November 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Can we jump to conclusions yet?
bitsy on November 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM
I’ve haven’t felt less safe in my own country since 9/11/2001, than I do right now.
myrenovations on November 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM
It’s amazing what PreTSD will cause someone to do. /libtard off
aikidoka on November 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Alright, can we say it was a terrorist attack now? What evidence is necessary, video footage of Hasan and Bin Laden strolling hand in hand on a beach?
Bishop on November 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM
This is terrifying. One doesn’t want to think things like, “incompetence” or “recklessness” or, dare I say, “complicity,” when referring to the one duty the government is charged to fulfill: the protection of its people.
Diane on November 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Oh come on! You conservatives are starting to pile on. Leave the poor jihadist alone!
flyfisher on November 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM
I have one of those in my closet. Don’t you?
bitsy on November 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Ya’ll are just trying to fit this guy into your bigoted world view. – Bleeds Blue
lorien1973 on November 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM
I hope Janet Napolitano is monitoring all Army psychiatrists for Second-Hand PTSD. It’s obviously more transmissible than even H1N1!!!111!!! The two-year incubation period is a drag, though. Do you have it…or don’t you?
hoosiermama on November 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Wouldn’t want to “jump to conclusions” now would we? He was probably sending money to all the poor muslim orphans we are making in that region. yeah,right. This reallly makes my ass hurt
flyoverboy on November 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Those same CO’s are the one’s now responsible for arranging the “counseling” sessions needed for the families and soldiers wounded or killed by the guy that they couldn’t see was sitting right in front of them. I’m sure THOSE are going to be some interesting counseling sessions.
CPT Shrinky Dink–”Well, hello PVT Smith, tell me about what your feeling..”
PVT Smith: “Well, how about you start by telling me why the f*ck you guys couldn’t see this guy was a terrorist and YOU WORKED WITH HIM! Let’s start there!”
ted c on November 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM
There could be dozens of non-terrorist explanations for such a video. //glenn greenwald
bitsy on November 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM
We keep ours right next to our church offering envelopes.
flyfisher on November 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM
“You racists just want to jump to conclusions as an excuse to throw muslim citizens into gulags!”
-GrowBleedCrr6Simon
Bishop on November 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Treason. Rope, tree, now.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Why couldn’t he just squeeze a ball like everyone else?
EnglishMike on November 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM
“It isn’t illegal to send money to Pakistan is it, well is it?”
d1carter on November 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM
I can already see it.
Hasan was sending money to pakistan due to an “email” that said if you send me this amount every month I can make you rich.
blah.
upinak on November 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Homeland Security, brought to you by Mr. Magoo.
LibTired on November 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM
I don’t want to jump to any conclusions. Perhaps he saw Sally Struthers on TV and wanted to help starving people in Pookiestan.
SouthernGent on November 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Anyone else remember Able Danger…?
Here we go again, folks. Some of you are already dead, you just don’t know it yet.
Seven Percent Solution on November 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Don’t jump to conclusions about this random outburst of violence /President Hussein
WisCon on November 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM
I thought battling terrorism with law enforcement was supposed to stop incidents like these. I also thought electronic monitoring was ineffective. At least that is what the media and liberals (I know redundant) have been saying. It seems electronic monitoring was effective and the law enforcement follow up was lacking.
Howcome on November 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM
That seems about right.
lorien1973 on November 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Lets not concentrate on any “terrorist” connections ok guys? It might provoke an extremeist backlash against innocent people wiring money to Pakistan.
Mord on November 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Give credit to Dick Morris, he was the first one to point out that Hasan made a good salary but lived modestly. Ergo, follow the money.
Bill C on November 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM
You said he wired money to Pakistan, but I heard he wired money to Pakistan, boy.
LibTired on November 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM
So without coming to any unrationale conclusions….He was pretty much working as a lone Terrorist and it happened on Husseins watch. I NO longer feel safe.
BUSH was like my father, always their to protect his family and after 9/11 until last week, I NO longer feel safe…..
BigMike252 on November 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Wow. Lets keep frisking me at the airport while we ignore wire transfers to Pakistan. Great job intelligence!!
sammypants on November 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Yeah, well you can just go right in with them. Besides wouldn’t a gulag be better than a .45 between the eyes?
flyoverboy on November 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM
There are enough dots now that the lanscape resembles a pointillism work by Seurat.
The administration needs to come clean about what really happened in Ft. Hood and what they know about Hasan. It is clear to me that they are not telling the whole truth even if they are not lying.
highhopes on November 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM
You know, the USPS gives a group discount for “JIHAD MONEY” these days… It’s 2 for 1
/s
ted c on November 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Hasan the “shrink” makes $90K and wires most of it to Pakistan, and sends E-mails to a 9/11 conspirator?
Sure, let’s court-martial him for murder and treason, but he also needs to be water-boarded. We need to find out who is getting his money, and what they plan to do to our country.
Steve Z on November 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Silly girl. The government has far more important things to do, like protecting illegal aliens from not having health care, and protecting the energy industry from cheap and efficient coal.
This is infuriating, and it’s quickly becoming as bad as England. For the sake of not offending people, we’re suicidally looking the other way as the war continues on.
You don’t have a right not to be offended. Now shut up while we save your worthless asses from being murdered.
MadisonConservative on November 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM
The WTF! moments just keep coming and coming and coming with Hasan and his terrorist attack on our military.
Liberals have got a mountain of evidence to ignore in keeping with their “it’s PTSD” theory.
Baxter Greene on November 12, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Seven Percent Solution on November 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM
yes… but they never used it in the courts.
upinak on November 12, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Irony abounds. Those were our tax dollars he was sending.
a capella on November 12, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Between Pakistan and the strip joints, it’s amazing he still has money for an apartment and 2 hand guns.
poxoma on November 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM
also breaking, MSM spinning that “he’s not a terrorist” and that we shouldn’t be “jumping to conclusions.”
How about we ‘not jump to conclusions’ at the funerals of the liberals who are trying to spin this as ‘not terrorism’?
ted c on November 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Ted Kennedy’s secret negotiations with the Soviets to undermine the government of the United States were never considered treason, either.
Crawford on November 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Give it to the IRS. I’m sure they can track the money. They seem to know about every penny that I own or have spent. They have a sixth sense for rooting out other people’s money.
robblefarian on November 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM
A commenter on here said it,too. Can’t remember
SouthernGent on November 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM
It was to support his research!
Devrbd on November 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Not yet. We need to know who his friends are, then send the Army after them !!!
Steve Z on November 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM
When will Obama apologize for keeping Hasan from his 72 virgins?
No doubt the virgins were awaiting his arrival with bated breath and are now very, very disappointed.
darwin on November 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Hasan could have an autographed photo from bin Laden with an autographed copy of the Koran from al Zawahiri and it wouldn’t matter to the PC, meme driven media or politicians in this country.
Frankly, the minute is was revealed he was yelling “Iwannasnackbar”, it should have been treated as a terror attack.
catmman on November 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM
apparently jihad is paying well these days (or he can budget better than the Democratically controlled congress)
/s
ted c on November 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM
betchya he was a big obama $uppporter!
reliapundit on November 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Wonder if Obambi would count this money as part of his stimulus package job creation program.
Jobs created or saved: 10 jihadists in Pakistan.
poxoma on November 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Born in Virginia but sends money to Pakistan, yet we can’t pursue the terrorism angle. Whew, I’m off the hook now for sending money to Yemen.
Bishop on November 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Oh crap how did I know I was going to be right in the other thread. I knew his money went somewhere, and it wasn’t strippers.
Brat4life on November 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Nah, the FBI just lacks resources because they are tracking all of those anti-abortion, ex-military combat vet extremists. Remember, they are a bigger threat than islamic extremists according to the DHS.
Johnnyreb on November 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM
just donating to causes guys.
blatantblue on November 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM
I dunno about all this… but some Republican guy just drove by Bob Jones University thus proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that the GOP is secretly planning to bring back slavery and deny women the vote if they win back any seats in 2010.
mankai on November 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Oh great…heads should roll for this.
becki51758 on November 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM
So, can this room full of shrinks that ‘suspected’ some mental illness but failed to treat this individual now be sued by the families of the victims as failing to protect the public from his ‘mental illness’?
will these shrinks over him now lose their license?
What does the medical board of virginia think of this?
ted c on November 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Remember how lefties said Bush should have been able to stop 9/11 because you know, 9 months in his term should have been enough? You know, how that proved how stupid and incompetent he was, you know that deal? Shoe meet other foot.
Dave_d on November 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM
oops….that didnt sound right.
becki51758 on November 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Hey – how long do you think it’ll be before PTSD is an acronym for pre-traumatic stress disorder?
Corky on November 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM
We need a Ft Hood Commission the same way we had a 9/11 Commission
georgealbert on November 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM
aaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha
ahahahahah
blatantblue on November 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Modestly? Have you seen the pictures of that apartment complex? It is an utter dump. My thoughts when I saw it as they interviewed neighbors was that his money was going somewhere.
highhopes on November 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Liberals would spin that as Hasan showing how smart he is by reaching out to our enemies.
Follows right in line with how Obama is walking hand in hand with the mullahs in Iran:
Obama Speaks Appeasement to Evildoers
[Michael Ledeen]
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmVmYWVjOGYxOGI0ZWVlNzI4NTNmYjY4MmFkNjNkMzU=
A sad day to be an American, don’t you think? As Churchill said of Chamberlain, we can say of Obama: You had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.
In fact, he’s already got it. It always happens when you become an accomplice to evil.
Hasan was just following Obama’s lead and practicing “smart power”.
Baxter Greene on November 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Welcome to the liberals version of the Patriot Act.
booter on November 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Lectured like a terrorist
Dressed like a terrorist
Congregated like a terrorist
Contacted terrorists that recruit terrorists
Sent money to places where terrorists live
Spoke like a terrorist….
Nope, no conclusions here, I just can’t follow this tortured logic…
/s
ted c on November 12, 2009 at 12:04 PM
wtc 7 fell at the speed of gravity, thus proving Hasan was a Mossad operative
blatantblue on November 12, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Obama and his fanatical leftist PC supporters succeeded in destroying Americans’ efforts to prevent domestic terrorism. Look at how far we have swung away from the concept of having the public report any suspicious activity.
GaltBlvnAtty on November 12, 2009 at 12:05 PM
It almost looks like FBI screwed this up big time and planted all those PTSD stories to deflect attention.
promachus on November 12, 2009 at 12:05 PM
A terrorist attack on Obamas watch, are you kidding?
He was sending money to a sick Aunt who has 12 kids, no job, one eye, and two vaginas…
Seven Percent Solution on November 12, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Photoshopped.
/sarc in case it’s needed
ProfessorMiao on November 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM
I am becoming used to being speechless.
Of course Hassan wired money somewhere. DUH. we already know he lived very frugally and was an educated professional. Um, maybe the people we are fighting in the middle eat are funded by the US. Maybe?
Maybe we should investigate. Nah, nothing to see here.
We infidels are incredibly stupid.
ORconservative on November 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Via opensecrets.org… contributions from all “Hasan” in Va (I tried MD too).
mankai on November 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Contact your congressman: all other shiite (yes, healthcare) gets backburnered now and this rock needs turned over. Keep that turdbag alive down there in San Antonio and have him on the first thing smoking to DC and set him up there and let’s get some questions answered. I am so glad that super cop Kim Munley didn’t kill him.
ted c on November 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM
“….. people in Pookiestan.”
SouthernGent on November 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Well, that would explain where Cousin Pookie came from.
MayorDaley on November 12, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Looks pretty obvious that Hasan fixated and premeditated this rampage for quite awhile. I’m curious as to Hasan’s timeline of wiring money..and I bet it began with Alwaqi’s call to arms in July this year.
marybel on November 12, 2009 at 12:07 PM
My question is:
That Hasan was jihadist is beyond any credible doubt, but did he interact with any other muslems in the Army? Did he form a jihadist cell, an underground (or maybe not so underground but protected by PC thinking) islamic spy/jihadist organization(s)? Was he part of an existing one? How many other muslems have been inspired by Hasan’s actions? What about his mosque and the members of it, assuming that they’re not complicit is magical thinking.
To think this is a one-off event, is dangerously short-sighted thinking. Muslem loyalty is for islam, not America, that other muslems have or will harm us must be considered an unpleasant fact of life today. It is their sacred duty, our duty is to recognize and defend against them.
Rebar on November 12, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Reposting on the dots issue: Authorities Defend New “Paint By Numbers” Approach to Terrorism Investigations As “So Much More Fun” Than the Old “Connect the Dots” Method http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/11/authorities-defend-new-paint-by-numbers.html
Mervis Winter on November 12, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Somebody sure did and people need to be fired. First round of pink slips goes to anybody who got in front of a camera and said that we shouldn’t jump to conclusions.
highhopes on November 12, 2009 at 12:08 PM
maryland:
mankai on November 12, 2009 at 12:08 PM
yeah, but we can kick a$$ when we wanna.
ted c on November 12, 2009 at 12:09 PM
MSM will spin it to say poor Hasan is another victim of the Madoff scam that caused him to lose all his money and become homicidal.
CONCLUSION: IT’S CAPITALISM’S FAULT. :(
poxoma on November 12, 2009 at 12:09 PM
mankai on November 12, 2009 at 12:08 PM
dude, ease up on that. That’s like all kinds of folks that are not this dude ….if you can find his name do it, otherwise, drop it.
ted c on November 12, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Can we be unpolitically correct now? I don’t want to blow up the mosques.Disassembling them and shipping them back to Saudi Arabia would work.
flyoverboy on November 12, 2009 at 12:10 PM
I do believe it is time for that kickass stuff to begin
flyoverboy on November 12, 2009 at 12:12 PM
We’d better start kicking some a**. I’m pretty fired up. I don’t mean backlash against Muslims either (ala what’s her name……….ugly woman, geez all I can come up with is Janet Reno but it’s Nepolitano. They all look alike) I mean absolute fury at a government with extremely far reach that has made itself impotent.
We are tax and spending to death (literally) and whatever is not destroyed by that will be destroyed by the jihadists within.
How much more clear could it be?
ORconservative on November 12, 2009 at 12:13 PM
I to am getting sick of the media spinning like a top trying to pin PTSD on this guy. I’ve noticed a slight change in their tactics though…Now they seem to want to remind us that he was being investigated under the Bush administration.I guess it is going to be hard to say Hasan snapped from the pressure when the receipts from his “donations” come back from Pakistan.Now they will have to try to pin it on Bush. Don’t think that will work because it may have started under Bush, but someone ended under Obama.
sandee on November 12, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Sending money to fund the Dawa is utterly orthodox Islamic behavior.
Often used for a cover to fund terrorism, coincidentally.
I guess the FBI never heard of such a thing.
Or never thought to trace anyone’s finances when they might be suspected of being a possible spy, or a supporter of terrorists.
profitsbeard on November 12, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Crawling to conclusions.
geckomon on November 12, 2009 at 12:15 PM
It’s public information… I don’t know all his relatives names or where they live in VA or MD.
mankai on November 12, 2009 at 12:16 PM
That remark will get you labeled a homophobe! Obviously Hasan is worried about climate change and lived a simple life in order to reduce his carbon footprint. Indeed, he’s so worried about it that he only tried to reduce humanity’s footprint by reducing the number of human beings. This new information is no reason for the FBI or CIA to look at communications between Muslims in America and overseas radical Imams.
/Lefty illogic.
rbj on November 12, 2009 at 12:16 PM
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