Next thing you know it’ll be a law that we all have to buy a green uniform with a little green cap. And wear it everywhere.

Akzed on November 13, 2009 at 9:01 AM

It’ll be grey. Commies, Fascists, and Marxists prefer grey for the proletariat, don’t they?

Woody

Frankly, throwing somebody in jail for not buying insurance is just the kind of case that would be good to establish the whole system’s unconstitutionality. I can’t imagine the SCOTUS squaring that circle, and the problem would pretty much solve itself.

Ferris on November 12, 2009 at 6:34 PM

I wish I could share your optimism. Except for the recent 2nd amendment case, the record of the Supreme Court in defending individual rights guaranteed by the Constitution is not so encouraging the past 50 years.

The better answer is that it’s covered by the Commerce Clause, which, ever since the New Deal, has in practice granted Congress that same authority — provided that the legislation touches on interstate commerce in some bare, glancing manner

WRONG answer Killroy. The “General Welfare Clause” in Article 1, Section 8, clause 1, only has any jurisdiction to the 17 enumerated items mentioned in Article 1, Section 8, and even then, cannot make any duties, impost and excise fees that are not UNIFORM to every State and CITIZEN of that State.
Article 1, Section 8, clause 3, means to make commerce between the States REGULAR, but that’s only according to Madison, Hamilton and Mason, who actually WROTE the Constitution.
Congress is PLAINLY not given the authority to pass Healthcare Legislation, nor are they permitted to create a “Bill of Attainder” in Article 1, Section 9, clause 3.
BILL OF ATTAINDER:
1. An act of the legislature declaring a person or group of persons guilty of some crime and punishing them without benefit of a trial.
2. A punitive tax.

This National Healthcare Legislation also violates the 4th Amendment; “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects”. The 5th Amendment “No person shall…be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law”. The 14th Amendment; No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” (To which the House Healthcare Bill forces States to violate).
What would you want to be I can find several other Constitutional violations in the House’s Healthcare Bill?

Yeah? Well, explain me how my paying this non-penalty to the IRS gets me help with health insurance. What gobbledygook. Reminds me of the good old depends on the meaning of “sexual relations” and “is” days. Dems defending Bill Clinton had to tie themselves in rhetorical knots, too.

BINGO! The Dems have given the people the ticket to take this to the SC. Without the bill showing actual harm it would have been hard to bring it before the court. I’m willing to be the first person to take a helmet for the country.

Fed45 on November 12, 2009 at 7:37 PM

I wouldn’t bet the farm on a SCOTUS case.

Look what they did with Kelo and McCain-Feingold.

Hell, put enough wise latinas on the court an they’ll declare anything constitutional for dear leader.

I always thought the battle would come if they tried to disarm us, or shut us up. It might come from them trying to lock us up for not buying insurance. You know … this list keeps getting longer and longer. How much longer does it have to get to be as long as the list of grievances in the Declaration of Independence?

Woody

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/going-venezuela-team-obama-announces-marxist-purge-of-gop-civil-servants/

When you are done join me in line for the revolution!

Does the go to jail for not buying insurance rule apply to illegal immigrants who show up unexpectedly at emergency rooms?

No. If you can’t afford it, you don’t have to pay it. If you can afford it, you have to pay it (how else can those who can’t pay receive care?).

That’s how wealth redistribution works.

When insurers and hospitals charge more to cover the uninsured (not to mention lawsuits) it’s evil. When gub’mint does it, it’s noble.

Does the go to jail for not buying insurance rule apply to illegal immigrants who show up unexpectedly at emergency rooms? Just wondering.

Resolute on November 12, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Good point. That would make them “racist” according to their definition. Or there is collusion to round up a majority of illegals or drive them back to their home country.
I can see it know: “Please fill out this admission form and this bail bond agreement.”

After you watch, read Ace’s post about the crazy wingnut alarmism over people possibly being sent to prison for defying the mandate.

Interesting. The scary part is, what if guys like Glenn Beck are right more often than not?

I listened to him for about a year, and found the radio show pretty funny. A friend took me to a live show, and I enjoyed it, he is pretty witty and entertaining. After a while, I got sick of the doom and gloom, and only tuned in occasionally. I don’t have Foxnews, so never really saw that show.

I always thought his predictions were worst-case scenarios, but lately…. second look at Beck? I also met him at a book signing, and exchanged some brief words and shook his hand, and he seems genuine (you can tell a lot about meeting someone in person, even briefly).

I know this isn’t a Beck post, but he seems to be the main wingnut alarmist according to the left, Obama and a lot of folks here.

I guess there will be an aggravated uninsured category. With how this whole concept is affecting my current disposition, I’d be one of those charged in the latter