Reid tossing cap-and-trade under the bus?

posted at 2:20 pm on November 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Harry Reid has sent some interesting signals today with his schedule for legislation in the Senate.  He added his troubled health-care reform bill to next week’s agenda despite the threats from Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson to filibuster it if it contains a public option or if it doesn’t contain Stupak-like language to ban abortion funding.  However, the sudden focus on producing a jobs bill threatens to push another Obama priority into next year — and therefore oblivion for the 111th Congress:

Senate Democrats will take up a new job-creation bill in the wake of the 10.2 percent unemployment rate, Majority Leader Harry Reid told his colleagues Tuesday.

Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.) told The Hill that Reid (D-Nev.) made the announcement about a new jobs bill at the Senate Democrats’ weekly lunch. …

A new jobs bill would add yet another piece of major legislation onto the Congress’s plate. Democrats are currently trying to finish work on healthcare reform. Afterward, they plan to turn to legislation curbing climate change and overhauling financial regulations.

But some Democrats are wary of moving to the global warming bill, and Reid’s signal that he wants to proceed to a jobs bill could suggest the climate measure will have to wait in line.

Reid has little choice.  Voters have become outraged that Congress has continued to push big-spending plans while more Americans lose their jobs.  The unemployment rate accelerated from September to October, meaning that the situation is getting worse instead of better.  If Congress doesn’t make itself seem to be addressing that problem, voters will make Reid and Nancy Pelosi irrelevant next November.

However, a new jobs bill is fraught with political risks.  Just considering such a bill will be seen as a tacit admission that Porkulus has utterly failed.  The natural question will be why Reid doesn’t pull the plug on further Porkulus spending and use some of what’s left in real economic stimulation — signaling tax credits rather than the massive tax expansions of ObamaCare, for instance, and the end of funding pork projects.  If we need a jobs bill now, we should first stop spending massive amounts of cash on the one that failed.

But perhaps Reid is signaling on jobs with this reschedule that deprioritizes the Kerry-Boxer effort on cap-and-trade.  That bill, based on the already-passed Waxman-Markey, hasn’t got a prayer of passing the Senate with unemployment skyrocketing.  It kills jobs and economic growth by artificially escalating energy prices to create slush funds for Congress.  It’s already unpopular in red states with Senate Democrats, like Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, Jay Rockefeller, Evan Bayh, and so on.  If it gets pushed into an election year, it will have even less chance of getting a vote, let alone passing, while unemployment continues to rise.

In fact, James Pethokoukis says it could go as high as 12% by next summer:

Gluskin Sheff economist David Rosenberg, formerly of Merrill Lynch, thinks the unemployment rate is going to at least 12 percent, maybe even 13 percent. Optimists, Rosenberg explains, underestimate the incredible damage done to the labor market during this downturn. And even before this downturn, the economy was not generating jobs in huge numbers. If he is right, all political bets are off. I think the Democrats could lose the House and effective control of the Senate.

At this point, the best jobs program Reid can deliver is an end to cap-and-trade.  If he pushes it into 2010, that will effectively kill it.  If that happens, the 112th Congress will have to reconsider Waxman-Markey, and the way it looks now, Nancy Pelosi won’t be the one in charge of the House to push it.

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I’ll drink to that!!!!!

Oink on November 11, 2009 at 2:23 PM

What is this “job-creation” thingy that you speak of…?

Seven Percent Solution on November 11, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Since HA has opted not to have a thread for Veteran’s day, what better place to add the following than proof that we need to do our part at home so that the nation remains worth defending.

Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they protect us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need. Amen.

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Just wave your wand and chant creo ergastulum.

WashJeff on November 11, 2009 at 2:25 PM

they can’t push policies that allow business to create jobs, it goes against their ideology.

rob verdi on November 11, 2009 at 2:25 PM

If that happens, the 112th Congress will have to reconsider Waxman-Markey, and the way it looks now, Nancy Pelosi won’t be the one in charge of the House to push it.

tee hee…

can we do better than boehner? or is he a shoe-in?

cmsinaz on November 11, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Amazing what rats do, when the ship is sinking!

capejasmine on November 11, 2009 at 2:25 PM

creo ergastulum (latin) => to create a workhouse for slaves

WashJeff on November 11, 2009 at 2:25 PM

“New jobs bill…”

Stimulus 2?

No thanks.

Enoxo on November 11, 2009 at 2:26 PM

I’ll drink to anything…

dangitt on November 11, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Hate is a strong word which I loathe to use. I hate these people. Anyone that wants government in charge of everything is more than welcome to MOVE.

search4truth on November 11, 2009 at 2:26 PM

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:24 PM

it was the 1st thread of the day…

cmsinaz on November 11, 2009 at 2:26 PM

So I wonder where amnesty falls out in the new schedule. It was supposed to be the filthy lying coward’s priority in January but it seems that month is getting ever more crowded with leftover socialism from 2009.

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Happy Veterans Day!
Nov 11, 2009 8:05 AM by Ed Morrissey
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cmsinaz on November 11, 2009 at 2:27 PM

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:24 PM

You must have missed this…

Seven Percent Solution on November 11, 2009 at 2:27 PM

What is a “jobs bill” anyway? The Dems are funny when they try to pretend they’re concerned about growing the private sector.

changer1701 on November 11, 2009 at 2:27 PM

it was the 1st thread of the day…

cmsinaz on November 11, 2009 at 2:26 PM

I stand corrected.

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM

In fact, James Pethokoukis says it could go as high as 12% by next summer:

Will it get that high given how our government presents unemployment numbers? If you are not looking, you are not unemployed.

WashJeff on November 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM

no worries…

cmsinaz on November 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM

In fact, James Pethokoukis says it could go as high as 12% by next summer:

So if the formal number is 12%, doesn’t that mean we will be at somewhere between 20-25% real unemployment?

Welcome to Obama’s Depression folks. It’ll be great.

18-1 on November 11, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Gluskin Sheff economist David Rosenberg, formerly of Merrill Lynch, thinks the unemployment rate is going to at least 12 percent, maybe even 13 percent.

Any bets as to when the filthy lying coward in the White House finally acknowledges that unemployment is a problem? I am sick and tired of the rat bastard traitor getting in front of a crowd and telling us what a great job he’s doing with the economy and how many jobs he has saved or created.

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:30 PM

So if the formal number is 12%, doesn’t that mean we will be at somewhere between 20-25% real unemployment?

18-1 on November 11, 2009 at 2:30 PM

And probably close to 50% unemployment in Detroit.

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Wait and see….any new “jobs bill” will be costly, fraught with caveates and red tape, and cumbersome to point of uselessness.

These are Dems. They’re not going to reduce any taxes or regulation on any kind of permanent basis.

I have no idea what they plan to do to “create” jobs when they believe in everything that kills them.

JoeinTX on November 11, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Economists Bleeds Blue has said the economy is recovering. David Rosenberg (Gluskin Sheff economist David Rosenberg), needs to talk to Bleeds Blue to get his facts straight.

WashJeff on November 11, 2009 at 2:33 PM

I am sick and tired of the rat bastard traitor getting in front of a crowd and telling us what a great job he’s doing with the economy and how many jobs he has saved or created.

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Hey, he’s saved at least 300 million jobs and he has a Lancet study to prove it.

18-1 on November 11, 2009 at 2:33 PM

I think we should bombard our Senators with letters and emails to concentrate on jobs and to postpone health care until they have finished that. Of course, since health care will effectively kill jobs far into the future, are any of them smart enough to figure it out?

Silly me.

hachiban on November 11, 2009 at 2:34 PM

And probably close to 50% unemployment in Detroit.

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:32 PM

It’s called gunemployment in Detroit, as in, “Give me your wallet” and “empty your register.”

WashJeff on November 11, 2009 at 2:35 PM

The Dems have become a single-issue party. It’s all about healthcare legislation for them. They are obsessed with this legislation, to a pathological degree. This is why they’ve done nothing else. By comparison, the bread and butter issues that most Americans are concerned about (i.e., not healthcare) are afterthoughts and probably quite boring to the Dems.

This party has essentially become useless. Their antipathy to all things non-healthcare is exemplified by the triumvirate of American decline: Reid, Pelosi, and Obama. This will contribute a great deal to the Dems being tossed out next year.

Who needs them!?

EMD on November 11, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Why not just add amnesty into the mix while you’re at it Harry!

Happy Veterans Day all!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on November 11, 2009 at 2:35 PM

B-b-b-but Algore says we only have six years left!!!

John the Libertarian on November 11, 2009 at 2:36 PM

If anyone believes Reid is putting Cap & Trade on hold because he wants to is drinking the kool aid. This 1.2 trillion Health Reform Bill will kill our economy and Cap & Trade buries it. Lies and deceptions can going take you so far and when/if the Health Reform gets through the Senate then Cap & Trade will immediately be back on their agenda. Reid has proven any action he is taking, as well as this administration, is not in the best interest of the country.

volsense on November 11, 2009 at 2:37 PM

This administration has so screwed up this country in 10 short months that it will take years to recover. When will they learn-NEVER. God bless our troops today and everyday.

rjoco1 on November 11, 2009 at 2:38 PM

This is good news…but ALL the bills still need to be killed.

A Dem jobs bill? What will THAT look like? AmeriCorps anyone?

It’s not the gov’ts job to “create” jobs. Quit printing and spending money, cut taxes, and let the free markets work.

And enacting the Fair Tax would be great, but I might as well wish Carrie Prejean was my girlfriend. I have a better shot at Carrie.

ornery_independent on November 11, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Perfect. Senate/Reid writes a job bill, creating jobs from thin air.

All they have to do is to tell Pelosi that Americans are not ‘losing 500 million jobs a month’. Problem fixed.

All hail Democrap controlled Congress.

Sir Napsalot on November 11, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Jobs? Never heard of em. – Charlie Gibson

lorien1973 on November 11, 2009 at 2:39 PM

B-b-b-but Algore says we only have six years left!!!

John the Libertarian on November 11, 2009 at 2:36 PM

I would love to see an investigative journalist go look into Gore’s finances. Does he have any significant long term investments? If he does, that rather calls into question his pronouncements of doom and gloom, no?

18-1 on November 11, 2009 at 2:40 PM

It must be a ruse. The progressive communists have their goal in sight and they have never been this close before. They will never give up and will eventually shove their vile agenda down our throats … one way or another. I guarantee it. Look at health care. The nation screams No! but the House still passed it.

Be wary.

darwin on November 11, 2009 at 2:40 PM

The jobs bill will entail the building of numerous prisons and detention centers for all the people who won’t and can’t buy health insurance. I figure one prison for each town in America.

Crimefyter on November 11, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Hey, he’s saved at least 300 million jobs and he has a Lancet study to prove it.

18-1 on November 11, 2009 at 2:33 PM

He says a lot of stuff that is nothing but lies.

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Every Democrat who believes in an agenda akin to Obama’s is quite literally and willingly boarding the political equivalent of the Andrea Gail…..they are trolling in the rough seas of America’s passion for liberty, using our freedom as bait to lure the simple schools of fish that follow their hooks. It’s bad for the fish that fall for the bait, but good for us who stayed on the safe shores of conservatism – because that ship will never be returning.

Fishy.Gov on November 11, 2009 at 2:41 PM

I love this so mucking futch! The Dems are scrambling to keep votes that are dripping away. The more they promise, the more reasonable people will have to launch against them. The Dem Congress is burying itself under tons of paper.

When they fail to gain their established goals, no matter how small, someone is going to be pissed at them. Often as not, it’s going to be among their supporters. True, no lib like the trolls here would ever vote Pub, but the bad press will turn away independents.

I’m loving every bit of this!

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 2:41 PM

B-b-b-but Algore says we only have six years left!!!

John the Libertarian on November 11, 2009 at 2:36 PM

James Hansen, Al Gore’s chief scientist and NASA employee said we only have ten years left twenty years ago.

darwin on November 11, 2009 at 2:43 PM

The jobs bill will entail the building of numerous prisons and detention centers for all the people who won’t and can’t buy health insurance. I figure one prison for each town in America.

Crimefyter on November 11, 2009 at 2:41 PM

A caller on local radio this morning brought up a great point. If healthcare is a benefit that the government is going to mandate on all citizens, why isn’t the Second Amendment treated the same way? Why not compel all citizens to own and carry a gun since it is an explicit right in the Constitution?

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Slightly OT, but not really. With all the doom and gloom we’ve all been feeling having to fight this monster back before we are all consumed by it, all while it seems like they are winning, Thomas Jefferson provided us the hole card we need because he saw all this coming.

Judge Napolitano laid all the constitutional framework for it out last night on FOX while subbing for Beck, and it’s the first time I’ve felt like we have a way to win our country back without tearing the whole thing down, burying our dead and starting over. If you have last night’s Beck on DVR or can find it on youtube, watch the first 15 minutes. Thomas Jefferson gave us the trump cards, and they are all right there in the constitution if we choose to use it.

Da Judge will be doing a series on this constitutional solution, so set your tivo’s and dvr’s and show it to everyone you know. There’s some REAL hope for ya! Enjoy your Veteran’s Day everyone, we can win this, and win it without firing a shot.

Fishoutofwater on November 11, 2009 at 2:43 PM

B-b-b-but Algore says we only have six years left!!!

John the Libertarian on November 11, 2009 at 2:36 PM

It won’t happen, but the up-side to that is that libs will die choking, too.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Why not compel all citizens to own and carry a gun since it is an explicit right in the Constitution?

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Because once the government mandates that we all be armed they won’t be able to ever mandate anything again.

darwin on November 11, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Well, I for one am effin SICK of the STUPID notion that anything the government does “creates” a single effin job! The only jobs that ANYONE, from the President on down to the lowliest House member, in the government make are those that add to the size, scope, and influence of government in our lives.

All that ANY of them can do is to encourage the expansion of the labor market, and the only way to do that is by lowering the taxes and regulatory burdens on the private sector.

Anyone who believes that Reid, Obamessiah, or anyone else can “fix” the unemployment problem has their head so far away from the sun, it’s not even funny. And you deserve what you get stuck with!

JamesLee on November 11, 2009 at 2:45 PM

I am perfectly comfortable with Waxmans legacy being sacrificed for the good of the country.

captivated_dem on November 11, 2009 at 2:45 PM

I predicted this in another thread. There are too many things on the agenda to push through in a short time; they should focus on less controversial efforts.

Bleeds Blue on November 11, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Jobs? Never heard of em. – Charlie Gibson

lorien1973 on November 11, 2009 at 2:39 PM

LOL

capejasmine on November 11, 2009 at 2:46 PM

I predicted this in another thread. There are too many things on the agenda to push through in a short time; they should focus on less controversial efforts.

Bleeds Blue on November 11, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Why do they needs a jobs bill? Obama has already made the economy recover…you said so.

WashJeff on November 11, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Fishoutofwater on November 11, 2009 at 2:43 PM

I saw that also and have to heartily agree. I had forgotten about that aspect until he mentioned it.

Crimefyter on November 11, 2009 at 2:48 PM

The truth about this health care bill is simple. Reid wants to bring it to the Senate to be able to say during the 2010 elections that, “Look, it’s the Republicans who are blocking your good health, it’s the Republicans who are preventing you from saving money”.
The part that makes me have suicidal tendencies is watching the brain dead liberals line up behind Democrats in agreement.

Fishy.Gov on November 11, 2009 at 2:48 PM

they should focus on less controversial efforts.

Bleeds Blue on November 11, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Like all the libs in America committing suicide en masse?

REAL change to hope for!

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 2:48 PM

ornery_independent on November 11, 2009 at 2:38 PM

No joke. We’ll end up paying $2million/job. If we are lucky. More likely, no actual jobs will be created. It’ll just be another slush fund to tidy up state budgets.

But morons like crr6 and bleeds dumb will be like – success! freedom!

lorien1973 on November 11, 2009 at 2:49 PM

What we need are more ‘Green Jobs’…

Seven Percent Solution on November 11, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Too late. Reid is dead meat in Nevada. The citizens are aroused. Game-playing such as switching priorities will not fool anyone. Citizens won’t stand for Obama’s marxist agenda and he and his cronies in Congress all have “bulls-eyes” taped to their chests.

BottomLine5 on November 11, 2009 at 2:52 PM

The citizens are aroused.

Figures nevada would get the prejean sex tape first. :P

lorien1973 on November 11, 2009 at 2:52 PM

I predicted this in another thread. There are too many things on the agenda to push through in a short time; they should focus on less controversial efforts.

Bleeds Blue on November 11, 2009 at 2:46 PM

How about focusing on putting America on the right track? God as my witness, this nation cannot afford another year of the filthy lying coward in the White House and his corrupt party. The Congress should be working on helping Americans instead of forcing them to buy into socialist crap like mandated health insurance.

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:57 PM

What the heck is a “jobs creation” bill? Stimulus 2….NO EFFING WAY. A tax cut bill? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

ihasurnominashun on November 11, 2009 at 2:57 PM

I am perfectly comfortable with Waxmans legacy being sacrificed for the good of the country.

captivated_dem on November 11, 2009 at 2:45 PM

I’m perfectly comfortable with Waxman being sacrificed in some public way. If it helps the country out, so much the better but not a requirement. Seriously, any man who has made his career on demonizing and then investigating Republicans should be living in disgrace.

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:58 PM

This would cost a lot less if Obama and the Dems got to their point in one shot and sent the Army after us.

But they don’t have the balls to do it. They’re playing games, not really standing to what they ultimately intend. It’s endless back-and-forth with those jokers.

Get it over with, libs. Come get us. That’ll be the real test of how many back the libs, instead of silly MSM ‘polls’ that people like Olbie skew anyway.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 3:00 PM

This is the response I got from the white house when I criticized the health care plan. I told them in plain English that this bill will force me to terminate jobs, and below is the response. This bill is the opposite of job creation, plain and simple. If anyone is wondering why Wal-Mart supports this bill, I’ll tell them two things. First, they are stupid, secondly the bill is a small business killer.

There is broad consensus among the American people on
the need for affordable, high-quality health care. The rising cost of health care is the most pressing financial challenge for families and for our Nation, and controlling this cost is essential to bringing down the Federal deficits we inherited.

Is this what the American people want? Is this what the liberals want? I know they are clueless, but do they not have any sense of self preservation? They just know that they need to blindly oppose Republicans, even when it will likely cost them the most.

Fishy.Gov on November 11, 2009 at 3:01 PM

The only thing that will create real jobs in this country is for the government to sharply reduce taxes across the board, suspend or better yet eliminate anti-business regs and then get the hell out of the way.

That isn’t going to happen with this Marxist congress.

As for Crap & Tax, I’ll believe it’s been thrown under the bus when I see tire tracks on its carcass, as this is Part II of the Marxist left’s wet dream, and they aren’t about to give it up this easily.

Dave R. on November 11, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Economists Bleeds Blue has said the economy is recovering.

WashJeff on November 11, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Bleeds Blue is an economic illiterate to the point he couldn’t run a lemonade stand with written and verbal instructions, even after watching a 45 minute instructional video on how to do it.

Economic recovery? With the private sector shrinking like it is?

Right.

Dave R. on November 11, 2009 at 3:10 PM

My guess is we will see slight up-tick in part-time/seasonal jobs in preperation for the holidays, in which retail sales will be clamitous this year. As such many struggling retailers, who in good times finally reach profitability, will go bust after dissapointing numbers and small biz loans going under with CIT Group.

With the bankruptcies these credit deprived, teetering concerns will file in Jan-Mar, the negative pre-holiday jobs trend will only be compounded. If unemployment benefits run out on the already unemployed, the newly unemployed joinng their ranks, summer tourism biz will be sharply curtailed as well. Spelling less summer time jobs for the woefully under-employed youth and college students.

This obviously then begins to look like a self-perpetuating phenomena. By July, I’d say 12% would be the rosy scenario, 14% closer to mark. Don’t forget that we are also seeing the banking industry going down at a rate of 1-9 each w/end and with them individual realtors are dropping like flies as well, these people will be added to the rolls of unemployed as well.

The ripple effects in this kind of enviroment can spiral out of control, and 15% going into next fall is not an entirely unreasonable prospect.

If such a scenario were to play out the Dem’s would get slaughtered. However the downward economic momentum by that point, may not be easily addressed by standard/conservative growth inducing measures.

Barring a sudden outburst of rational behavior on the part of congress and the White House, the prognosis in my view appears fairly bleak.

Archimedes on November 11, 2009 at 3:10 PM

They just know that they need to blindly oppose Republicans, even when it will likely cost them the most.

Fishy.Gov on November 11, 2009 at 3:01 PM

FIFY

Libs don’t ‘know’ anything. All they have is invective, like the lib Sat. morning who attacked my mom rather than defend against an assertion I posted.

And before you trolls trying I’m somehow a momma’s boy, that lib (who is one you) assailed a woman who doesn’t know this site exists. She’s 86 years old–deaf, blind, and is in an advanced stage of senility. I’m her only child and she no longer knows who I am.

But a lib attacked the woman without knowing a thing. That lib used a helpless woman to attack me because he’s too F-ing vile and ignorant to stand to his beliefs in a meaningful way.

That lib, and simplesimon, are the models of all libs. They claim to speak for their side so, all the other libs who post here are the same: ignorant vile people to the last of their kind.

I bet only the best of them shower once a month whether they need it or not. And forget deodorant: it’s bad for the environment!

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 3:10 PM

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Any ol’ way would do. His fruitless witch-hunting will continue to erode what level of credibility he may have and precipitate his own demise.

captivated_dem on November 11, 2009 at 3:17 PM

They can only throw borrowed money at the problem, and hope for a return of some kind of improved unemployment number.

I never felt it was the right of an unemployed person to blame DC for their plight, nor do I now. What I fear is when the numbers do improve, the ruling Marxists will have their campaign written for them. We have to point out their ideological faults, and not just rant over transitory economic figures.

leftnomore on November 11, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Old King Coal is a merry old soul, and so next year he will be.

Steve Z on November 11, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Don’t they have to address the economy? They will be doomed if they continue business as usual and not act like they are doing something to ‘fix’ it. I find it hard to believe that they are willing to let themselves get creamed next Nov, where they could possibly limit the damage by showing some improvement in the econcomy….just sayin.

TheVer on November 11, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Congressional job creation?? Trying to save their own a$$es in the next November!

chickasaw42 on November 11, 2009 at 3:19 PM

They can only throw borrowed printed money at the problem, and hope for a return of some kind of improved unemployment number.

leftnomore on November 11, 2009 at 3:17 PM

FIFY.

China and Japan are about to cut up our credit cards. :-O

Dave R. on November 11, 2009 at 3:20 PM

controlling this cost is essential to bringing down the Federal deficits we inherited.

You inherit the debt, you create the deficit each year. The current debt is all Obama/Reid/Pelosi’s fault. Or, really, their signature ‘accomplishment’ since paying off their friends and allies is exactly what they wanted to do.

18-1 on November 11, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Doh, should be The current deficit is all Obama/Reid/Pelosi’s fault

Obamamath – more contagious then swine flu.

18-1 on November 11, 2009 at 3:25 PM

May I ask, Senator Reid, just what sort of a “jobs bill” you propose? The govt can’t create any jobs without tax revenue. Where are you going to get that? And wasn’t the stimulus supposed to be a jobs bill? By your actions you are contradicting the VP, who says the stimulus worked and is working well. So which Democrat liar am I supposed to believe?

jwolf on November 11, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Obamamath – more contagious then swine flu.

18-1 on November 11, 2009 at 3:25 PM

And it all sums to zero.

Like him and the rest of his filthy degenerate Party.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM

’cause that first jobs bill worked so well.

mankai on November 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM

You want jobs? Take a chainsaw to SarbOx. (Sarbanes-Oxley, not a brand of boullion cube.) End the expensing of stock options. Stop treating venture capital as a crime.

njcommuter on November 11, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Next week for health “care”, eh?

SouthernGent on November 11, 2009 at 3:31 PM

FIFY.

China and Japan are about to cut up our credit cards. :-O

Dave R. on November 11, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Yesterday Politico had piece asserting serious evidence China has been fudging their numbers even more than normal. That in actuality they have been just staving off an economic implosion. One of the points cited is 900B stimulous (in a 4.6T economy/20ish%!) to buy their own products and warehouse them tto hide the stats.

If that is right, the largest purchaser of our debt will not even be able to so if they were willing. Which would only leave the Fed the buyer of last resort for Treasury issues, as happenned our last debt issuance. This sort of game that Bernacke played last time around caused the Int’l community to start pondering using a new currency for trade, he risks much if he were to so again.

We are seriously teetering on the finacial abyss here kiddies, it blows my mind how overwhelmingly our population remains oblivious to our imminent peril.

Archimedes on November 11, 2009 at 3:37 PM

“New jobs bill…”

Stimulus 2?

No thanks.

Enoxo on November 11, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Exactly!

That’s the first thing that hit me when I read this that it was nothing more than a stimulus 2.

The democrats may think they can push this because if Republicans go against it they will appear again as the party of “no” obstructing job growth policies.

The Republicans need to make it very clear that they already promised this with the 800 billion dollar stimulus that has been a failure.

As Obama put it: “Shut up!!!”
“I don’t want to hear from the people that got us in this mess”.

Republicans need to take control of drafting this bill:
As Obama put it: “Grab a broom and help out!!!”

and demand that the democrats figure out a way to pay the American people back the 800 billion they just got through stealing from us.

Don’t let the democrats off the hook for their “pay to play” stimulus rip off by taking credit for a jobs bill later.

Demand concessions from the Unions.


Demand the banks and car industry be returned to the public sector.

No more bailouts…sink or swim.

Demand tax breaks across the board including keeping the Bush tax cuts.


Start drilling now


Start more coal production now


Start building Nuclear Power plants now


Invest in “proven” alternative energy like electric cars and Hydrogen.


Sign the Latin American free trade agreement

Increase investing and trade agreements with India.

Enough with the socialist crap.
Time to get back to what has always made America Great.
Freedom and Capitalism.

Baxter Greene on November 11, 2009 at 3:43 PM

And probably close to 50% unemployment in Detroit.

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Detroit = Gotham City.

JohnGalt23 on November 11, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Demand concessions from the Unions.

Demand the banks and car industry be returned to the public sector.

No more bailouts…sink or swim.

Demand tax breaks across the board including keeping the Bush tax cuts.

Start drilling now

Start more coal production now

Start building Nuclear Power plants now

Invest in “proven” alternative energy like electric cars and Hydrogen.

Sign the Latin American free trade agreement

Increase investing and trade agreements with India.

Enough with the socialist crap.
Time to get back to what has always made America Great.
Freedom and Capitalism.

Baxter Greene on November 11, 2009 at 3:43 PM

My if that doesn’t look like a campaign platform right there!

Run Bax, Run! I’ll vote for that with vigour & vim.

Archimedes on November 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Baxter is my new best friend…

Wyznowski on November 11, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Baxter,
Say you live in the NW Burbs of Chicago so I can vote for you.

journeyintothewhirlwind on November 11, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Detroit = Gotham City.

JohnGalt23 on November 11, 2009 at 3:47 PM

I was going to say we have the Joker as governor, but he’s already taken

TheVer on November 11, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Say you live in the NW Burbs of Chicago so I can vote for you.

journeyintothewhirlwind on November 11, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Hey Journey, I’m in the near-north (Chicago&State) of down town! We should grab a beer and compare notes sometime, you game?

Archimedes on November 11, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Welcome to Obama’s Depression folks. It’ll be great.

18-1 on November 11, 2009 at 2:30 PM

We could call it Opression.

the_nile on November 11, 2009 at 4:14 PM

PASS THE POPCORN!

GarandFan on November 11, 2009 at 4:39 PM

I feel a rant coming on about the following…

However, a new jobs bill is fraught with political risks. Just considering such a bill will be seen as a tacit admission that Porkulus has utterly failed. The natural question will be why Reid doesn’t pull the plug on further Porkulus spending and use some of what’s left in real economic stimulation

Some of what’s left? Some of what’s LEFT?!??! There was nothing there to begin with except the paper and ink used to create the currency. There was and is NO real money behind this Obamanation (and ever further back, Bushanation). It’s not there. It’s a ghost, a phantom, a chimera, a mirage. There is NO “something left to spend” because it wasn’t…there…to…begin…with.

NTropy on November 11, 2009 at 4:43 PM

The natural question will be why Reid doesn’t pull the plug on further Porkulus spending and use some of what’s left in real economic stimulation — signaling tax credits rather than the massive tax expansions of ObamaCare, for instance, and the end of funding pork projects. If we need a jobs bill now, we should first stop spending massive amounts of cash on the one that failed.

“signalling tax credits”? Where are the supply siders? Tax rate cuts, or a new, simpler tax code?
And all we’ll get from the big “O”, any tax cuts will not be big enough to make a difference to working families, like he did when poo pooing the lowering the federal fuel tax.
NO more Keynesian stimulus projects!!!

mdetlh on November 11, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Can’t allow a little distraction like 12% unemployment divert us from the Obamanation socialist takeover, now can we? Dear Leader will not be pleased.

petefrt on November 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM

highhopes on November 11, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Amen.

Midas on November 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM

My guess is we will see slight up-tick in part-time/seasonal jobs in preperation for the holidays, in which retail sales will be clamitous this year.

Archimedes on November 11, 2009 at 3:10 PM

My guess is we won’t even see that much. Look up the UK Daily Mail piece from a couple months back about the “Ghost Fleet” of container ships that under normal circumstances would have been plying the lanes with thousands of tons of product to get a head start on the holiday rush – and were in fact sitting tied up at various locations around the globe. Or take a look at this site, which tracks ships in real-time everywhere around the globe (Somali coast excepted, for some reason). Take a look at the Baltic Index, which is to international shipping what Chicago is to wheat and beef. It’s cratered to the point that it wouldn’t look out of place on the far side of the moon.

Nobody’s buying what they don’t absolutely need right now – even those with jobs, even with stores giving away half-off coupons like candy. Go to the entertainment department at Target and Walmart – and run a finger along the tops of the DVDs displayed. They haven’t even been picked through, outside of the obligatory (and oft-switched) new release racks. Who’d be crazy enough to hire someone, even temporarily, to help them sell to no customers?

Blacksmith on November 11, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Let’s throw Reid under a bus, then back over him, pull forward, back over him again then park the bus on his sorry ass.

nelsonknows on November 11, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Creating jobs shouldn’t be a problem. If Congress believes it has the Constitutional authority to simply require that all Americans buy health insurance, then under that same authority Congress can simply order American business owners to hire more workers.

And couldn’t they simply require businesses to pay them whatever “living wage” Congress decrees, too?

Problem solved! Economic Nirvana is within their grasp!

Paul_in_NJ on November 11, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Don’t these government twits know that the government has never created a job? Only a temporary gig. What creates jobs is investment by businesses big and small.

kens on November 11, 2009 at 6:31 PM

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