More jihadist ties to Hasan?

posted at 10:55 am on November 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

As if a pen-pal relationship with a suspected 9/11 plotter wasn’t bad enough, ABC News now reports that the suspected shooter in the Fort Hood massacre may have had other ties to jihadists.   Those dots should have been connected before 14 people died in a hail of gunfire:

A senior government official tells ABC News that investigators have found that alleged Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan had “more unexplained connections to people being tracked by the FBI” than just radical cleric Anwar al Awlaki. The official declined to name the individuals but Congressional sources said their names and countries of origin were likely to emerge soon.

Questions already surround Major Hasan’s contact with Awlaki, a radical cleric based in Yemen whom authorities consider a recruiter for al Qaeda. U.S. officials now confirm Hasan sent as many as 20 e-mails to Awlaki. Authorities intercepted the e-mails but later deemed them innocent or protected by the first amendment.

The FBI said it turned over the information to the Army, but Defense Department officials today denied that. One military investigator on a joint terror task force with the FBI was shown the e-mails, but they were never forwarded in a formal way to more senior officials at the Pentagon, and the Army did not learn of the contacts until after the shootings.

Awlaki (or in the 9/11 Commission report, Aulaqi) was bad enough.  And the FBI knew about Aulaqi, unlike the Army, which was kept in the dark about Hasan’s correspondence.  If they knew that Hasan had communicated with Aulaqi and other people on their terrorism watch lists, why didn’t they connect the dots?  Why didn’t they at least inform Hasan’s chain of command?

All good questions — and apparently, people in the intel community want some answers.  American media outlets have been getting a deluge of leaks, all pointing to dropped balls in the counterterrorism effort as one reason Hasan still had access to Fort Hood and orders to deploy to a war zone.  Those leaks do not occur by accident.  They come from people who are either angry at the failure of the system to stop Hasan, or people looking to cover their own asses in the wake of earlier revelations.  A “senior government official” could be either, but it’s almost certainly one or the other.

As the scope of this failure becomes known, the big question will be this: how many more Hasans do we have, communicating with known terrorists and 9/11 attack suspects?  If counterterrorism officials had this much information about Hasan and still didn’t act, it doesn’t leave any confidence at all that Hasan was just an anomaly.

It seems as though the public has the same concern.  Rasmussen’s new poll shows that 60% of Americans want the Fort Hood shooting treated as a terrorist attack, not a random shooting:

Sixty percent (60%) of likely voters nationwide say last week’s shootings at Fort Hood should be investigated by military authorities as a terrorist act.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 27% want the incident investigated by civilian authorities as a criminal act. Another 13% are not sure.

Those following the story Very Closely are even more likely to want the shooting investigated as an act of terrorism.

Sixty-five percent (65%) of all voters say Major Nidal Malik Hasan should receive the death penalty if convicted. Nineteen percent (19%) disagree, and 16% aren’t sure.

The terrorism approach has a great deal of support across all demographics.  It’s not every day that majorities of Republicans (76%), African-Americans (51%), and the youth vote (52%) all agree on the same thing as they do here.  Democrats have a thin plurality (43%/39%) in favor of treating it as a terrorist attack, too.  Only the political class seems almost monothically opposed to that approach (28%/51%), as well as self-described liberals (33%/48%), two groups with obviously significant cross-over anyway.

If more jihadist links start rising to the surface, you can bet that these numbers will grow significantly into a mandate.

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Now the NY times has reason to move the Acorn story to the mid-section. Bambi needs help. What a great time for another world tour. Maybe he can pack up all of the media and take them with him.

bluegrass on November 11, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Next time someone tells you not to jump to conclusions, tell them you are connecting the dots.

Disturb the Universe on November 11, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Let me be perfectly clear, someone has acted stupidly with our national security.

bluegrass on November 11, 2009 at 10:59 AM

If Hasan had blown up a mall and killed a thousand people the lapdog media will still bend over backwards to avoid calling it a terrorist attack.

One wonder how many Americans have to die before Obama stops killing investigations into these events because someone somewhere on Earth might be offended.

drjohn on November 11, 2009 at 11:00 AM

When there is smoke, there is…political correctness.

reppac122 on November 11, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Forget the terrorism angle. Try this guilty bastard in a military court for treason, then stand him up in front of a firing squad.

And do it quick, before the enemy-coddling left manages to get this all shifted to a civilian court, in which case we hapless taxpayers are going to be footing the bills to the tune of millions over the next several decades just keeping this POS alive and up to his neck in lawyers.

Dave R. on November 11, 2009 at 11:01 AM

I saw that article. It’s about to become very messy.

AnninCA on November 11, 2009 at 11:01 AM

CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS NOW!!!

Kill the P.C. before it kills you!

profitsbeard on November 11, 2009 at 11:02 AM

more to follow…yep…much more…nuff said for now

JJKRN on November 11, 2009 at 11:02 AM

This could end up being a teachable moment for a lot of people, as far as how the question of “How would the U.S. have reacted to 9/11 if Al Gore had been elected president?” gets hypothetically answered. And right now the information dribbling out is not painting the political correctness crowd in a very flattering (or competent) light.

jon1979 on November 11, 2009 at 11:02 AM

I’m pretty sure a FBI guy assured us it wasn’t terrorism as he was enroute to the scene. Almost like it was memorized or somethin’.

a capella on November 11, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Someone on tv mentioned that Hassan didn’t look like he had a lot of money. His apartment was rented for about $320 a month and had almost no belongings. I sure hope to he!! he wasn’t sending money to these terrorist overseas. He made good money, i’d like to know where it went.

Brat4life on November 11, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Someone on tv mentioned that Hassan didn’t look like he had a lot of money. His apartment was rented for about $320 a month and had almost no belongings. I sure hope to he!! he wasn’t sending money to these terrorist overseas. He made good money, i’d like to know where it went.

Brat4life on November 11, 2009 at 11:04 AM

- – - – probably sent to the elect Obama campaine or ACORN

bluegrass on November 11, 2009 at 11:06 AM

If Hasan had gone muslim in a press room or a “community outreach center”, the left would be screaming that it was terrorism.

The victim’s status determines whether or not liberals will find terrorism as a cause.

Bishop on November 11, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Brat4life on November 11, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Strippers.

Enough of the media crap about PTSD because he could not reconcile his faith with service in the military. He could not reconcile his faith with his deviant perverted life
He is a traitor and a murderer and should be dead right now

dpierson on November 11, 2009 at 11:07 AM

A “senior government official” could be either, but it’s almost certainly one or the other.

Uh?

Phoenician on November 11, 2009 at 11:07 AM

He made good money, i’d like to know where it went.

Brat4life on November 11, 2009 at 11:04 AM

http://sn107w.snt107.mail.live.com/default.aspx?wa=wsignin1.0

VegasRick on November 11, 2009 at 11:07 AM

I sure hope to he!! he wasn’t sending money to these terrorist overseas. He made good money, i’d like to know where it went.

Brat4life on November 11, 2009 at 11:04 AM

LOL-I think you answered your own question.

Dave R. on November 11, 2009 at 11:07 AM

It went overseas, his money, i mean. I think his simple lifestyle was addressed right after the shooting and the point was that he made fairly good money and lived in lower income housing.
I never saw any more about it, probably because wherever that money went it would lead us to jump to conclusions.

ORconservative on November 11, 2009 at 11:08 AM

This could end up being a teachable moment for a lot of people, as far as how the question of “How would the U.S. have reacted to 9/11 if Al Gore had been elected president?” gets hypothetically answered. And right now the information dribbling out is not painting the political correctness crowd in a very flattering (or competent) light.

jon1979 on November 11, 2009 at 11:02 AM

LOL, actually, the Left will tell you that had Algore been President, 9/11 would have never happened.

Of course, when you ask them to explain how he could have prevented the attacks, they change the subject and then call you names.

Del Dolemonte on November 11, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Can we send these muslim shooters to the Mexican border at least?

SouthernGent on November 11, 2009 at 11:09 AM

I never saw any more about it, probably because wherever that money went it would lead us to jump to conclusions.

ORconservative on November 11, 2009 at 11:08 AM

FTFY.

VegasRick on November 11, 2009 at 11:10 AM

BTW, did anyone see that poor idiot Colmes twist himself into a pretzel last night on O’Really?

The Maytag Company should hire him as a spin cycle expert. It was pathetic.

Del Dolemonte on November 11, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Are we not all asked to say something if we see something? If it falls on deaf ears what good does it do?

fourdeucer on November 11, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Dave R. on November 11, 2009 at 11:07 AM

I just don’t want to be right.

Brat4life on November 11, 2009 at 11:10 AM

VegasRick on November 11, 2009 at 11:10 AM

potatoe patatoe

ORconservative on November 11, 2009 at 11:11 AM

One goofball POTUS and the MSM trying ever so hard to play the “PTSD, poor solider snapped” meme……………………………and a country who sees what this maniac was and simply isn’t paying any attention to them anymore.

Hasan………….firing squad………….you figure it out.

JoeinTX on November 11, 2009 at 11:11 AM

I was colmes, he was really upset. It was pathetic. He was confronted with stark reality and still spouting the lefy line.
Speaking of left, where are the trolls.

ORconservative on November 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Is it me or does it feel like we’re right back to 9/10/2001?

vcferlita on November 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM

From eric ericsons tweet…

David Hamilton believes Christian prayer is unconstitutional, but Muslim prayer is not. Obama wants him on 6th Cir. Ct. Appeals.
29 minutes ago from TweetDeck

A bit OT, but if anyone does get to the bottom of this and it goes to court, this will be the untimate obstacle to any justice.
We’re being infiltrated at every level.

katy on November 11, 2009 at 11:13 AM

so 19% of voters disagree with him getting the death penalty, and 16% aren’t sure. there are so many stupid bleeding heart a–holes in this world it makes me sick.

Ghoul aid on November 11, 2009 at 11:15 AM

This is just one more topic for “forward thinking” politicians to hang themselves up on. It is a disgrace that both the MSM and the Commander and Chief are trying to distort the facts of what actually happened, and could happen again if ignored.

The dead and wounded deserve better treatment than to get lip service from the POTUS about what happened and why. This is not an intellectual exercise or computer model. Americans are getting fed up with how their sons and daughters in uniform are being treated as faceless, expendable pawns for this flawed administration to spin into political talking points while providing opportunities and support for those that would kill more Americans.

Hening on November 11, 2009 at 11:15 AM

When Colmes said that Zero lowing the Flags to half staff was a great move, my hubby got pissed as to what Colmes was saying. He said that’s not a good gesture and it shouldn’t of been an after thought. That should be automatic. Colmes should of stopped before he even started.

Brat4life on November 11, 2009 at 11:16 AM

The big question is not how many more Hasan’s are out there, but if Holder and company closed down ongoing investigations to secretly enact their opposition to the FISA changes made by President Bush after 9-11, the question is how many suspected terrorists were given a pass by Holder in a fit of political correctness.

I have three posts, this being my most recent, wondering if Holder is the new Gorelick?

AJStrata on November 11, 2009 at 11:16 AM

This poll is example #11 billion that liberals are idiots and lack any common sense. Or, liberals filter every situation through political lenses and still are idiots and lack common sense.

Howcome on November 11, 2009 at 11:19 AM

… all pointing to dropped balls in the counterterrorism effort …

We have be right every time, they only have to be right once.

Tony737 on November 11, 2009 at 11:19 AM

I was colmes, he was really upset. It was pathetic. He was confronted with stark reality and still spouting the lefy line.
Speaking of left, where are the trolls.

ORconservative on November 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM

They all have the day off from high school and are using their computers to play Modern Warfare 2.

Hening on November 11, 2009 at 11:20 AM

One military investigator on a joint terror task force with the FBI was shown the e-mails, but they were never forwarded in a formal way to more senior officials at the Pentagon,

Pearl Harbor redux.

Johan Klaus on November 11, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Is it me or does it feel like we’re right back to 9/10/2001?

vcferlita on November 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM

i wonder how gary condit feels about this?

ted c on November 11, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Howcome on November 11, 2009 at 11:19 AM

All of the above.

Johan Klaus on November 11, 2009 at 11:22 AM

I’m pretty sure a FBI guy assured us it wasn’t terrorism as he was enroute to the scene. Almost like it was memorized or somethin’.

a capella on November 11, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Yeah, it was such a strange knee-jerk thing for them to say that it sounded like a defensive reflex even at the time.

They claimed that it was important to make a determination quickly for the sake of alerting security forces across the nation as to the current threat status. In that case, it was amazingly irresponsible to tell security details across the nation to not be on guard for more attacks since terrorists often synchronize multiple attacks ( 9/11, Embassy attacks )

Buddahpundit on November 11, 2009 at 11:23 AM

i wonder how gary condit feels about this?

ted c on November 11, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Heh!

thomasaur on November 11, 2009 at 11:26 AM

I’m pretty sure a FBI guy assured us it wasn’t terrorism as he was enroute to the scene. Almost like it was memorized or somethin’.
a capella on November 11, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Yeah, it was such a strange knee-jerk thing for them to say that it sounded like a defensive reflex even at the time.
They claimed that it was important to make a determination quickly for the sake of alerting security forces across the nation as to the current threat status. In that case, it was amazingly irresponsible to tell security details across the nation to not be on guard for more attacks since terrorists often synchronize multiple attacks ( 9/11, Embassy attacks )
Buddahpundit on November 11, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Yeah, cause it’s not like AQ has made multiple, coordinated attacks before.

Ohh wait…

Fake8 on November 11, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Barely a week after the event and already the liberal spin machine is breaking down. From the start, the MSM closed ranks to protect their guy in the WH but in the end the entire Left is going to take a bath on this one.

Obama said not to jump to conclusions (unlike his thoughtful consideration MA cops are stupid), but we knew in our gut as a nation these shootings weren’t a clear-cut case of someone going postal. The only ones not getting the truth are those leftists here and others of their vile ilk.

There is much more to come. I’m anxious to hear the testimony of witnesses when the libs’ guy Hasan finally goes on trial.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 11:28 AM

What does Barry say?

bloggless on November 11, 2009 at 11:29 AM

What next ???

We find out that this POS had lunch a month ago with Osama Bin Laden in New York City, but the F.B.I had tickets for the World Series game that night ??

Jerome Horwitz on November 11, 2009 at 11:30 AM

This probably why the Clenis reared his ugly head yesterday to address healthcare. He is attempting to distract us from the latest terrorist attack.

bloggless on November 11, 2009 at 11:31 AM

bloggless on November 11, 2009 at 11:29 AM

“he ain’t heavy, he’s my brother”

d1carter on November 11, 2009 at 11:31 AM

If they admitted it was a terrorist attack they’d have to DO something about it.
DOING something would force them to act against — horrors! — domestic Muslims.

It is far safer for the military brass to call it an isolated incident of a PTSD loner, thus absolving itself of greater blame or the need to take wider action beyond one guy.

Eventually we can expect a whitewash like the 9-11 report and Able Danger.
Nobody gets fired or disciplined other than maybe one scapegoat.

Yephora on November 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM

The death of innocents and degradation of our military is a small price to pay for “tolerance” and “inclusion”.
In Obama’s America patriots, Christians and Jews are the enemy and radical Islamists are an aggrieved minority. Accept your fate, dig your own grave and wait for the bullet. What else are you going to do?

SKYFOX on November 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM

The Gorelick Memorial Wall of Intelligence is back in business.

steveegg on November 11, 2009 at 11:33 AM

So are the media going to attack Obama for “not connecting the dots”?

*Yawn*

I am sure there is an entire network of loons that Hasan tapped into. I want an investigation, and I want a plan for the future to root these guys out.

PattyJ on November 11, 2009 at 11:37 AM

SKYFOX on November 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM

I, for one, will do everything I’m legally able to remind that these shootings are a direct result of liberalism in all its twisted forms. I’m going to mention at every turn how the MSM tried covering up a terrorist attack with BS theories, all to protect their guy in the WH and his Party.

If I’m ever going to have to take a bullet, it’ll be because I’m out of ammo. I rather die on my feet than live on my knees under Dem rule or Sharia. I don’t believe Hasan is an isolated case, and we need a serious investigation into all other possible contacts he has here at home.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 11:38 AM

On this Veterans’ Day:

During WWII we had
1) Navajo code talkers
2) 442 Infantry, composed of Japanese Americans
3) Tuskegee Airmen

All of whom could have real grudges against the US government and society. Yet they served honorably and with distinction. For Hasan to whine about being forced to fight Muslims when he’s a psychiatrist and would only be counseling US soldiers and not taking up arms against Muslims is BS. He is despicable, and needs to be tried and shot as soon as possible.

rbj on November 11, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Under what definition of “terrorism” is this a terrorist act?

I mean, I guess we don’t yet know all the facts. It’s always possible that he was directed to do this in order to discourage recruitment or something. But so far to me, this does not look like a terrorist act any more than Columbine or Virginia Tech did.

I think it’s appropriate to investigate whether it was actually a terrorist act, and the decisions made by the FBI must be looked into. But jumping to the conclusion that this was terrorism at this point is wrong. A mass murder influenced by Islamism is not necessarily terrorism. That’s not the definition.

orange on November 11, 2009 at 11:47 AM

One wonder how many Americans have to die before Obama stops killing investigations into these events because someone somewhere on Earth might be offended.

drjohn on November 11, 2009 at 11:00 AM

How many investigations has Obama killed thus far?

orange on November 11, 2009 at 11:48 AM

I don’t want Hasan shot. I want him hanged.

I also demand of my government a sweeping investigation into all Muslims in the military. If any ever ONCE said anything like Hasan did, those soldiers should be immediately discharged from the service. All others should be watched very closely until their enlistments are up, then be disallowed from re-upping.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 11:48 AM

On this Veterans’ Day:

During WWII we had
1) Navajo code talkers
2) 442 Infantry, composed of Japanese Americans
3) Tuskegee Airmen

All of whom could have real grudges against the US government and society. Yet they served honorably and with distinction. For Hasan to whine about being forced to fight Muslims when he’s a psychiatrist and would only be counseling US soldiers and not taking up arms against Muslims is BS. He is despicable, and needs to be tried and shot as soon as possible.

rbj on November 11, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Good point. Don’t forget the large amounts of Italian-Americans as well as German-Americans fighting their ancestral homelands on behalf of their new country.

Byzantine on November 11, 2009 at 11:48 AM

If I’m ever going to have to take a bullet, it’ll be because I’m out of ammo. I rather die on my feet than live on my knees under Dem rule or Sharia.
Liam on November 11, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Thanks. I knew it wouldn’t take long to get the right answer. We are not alone. Lock and load. Stand at your post.

SKYFOX on November 11, 2009 at 11:49 AM

The victim’s status determines whether or not liberals will find terrorism as a cause.

Bishop on November 11, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Well, yes. Whether or not the victims were combatants is one of the factors deciding whether or not the act fits the definition of terrorism.

orange on November 11, 2009 at 11:51 AM

In Obama’s America patriots, Christians and Jews are the enemy and radical Islamists are an aggrieved minority.
SKYFOX on November 11, 2009 at 11:32 AM
——————————————

That is because BO is a radical Islamist himself. He is one of the enemy.

ms on November 11, 2009 at 11:52 AM

But so far to me, this does not look like a terrorist act any more than Columbine or Virginia Tech did.

orange on November 11, 2009 at 11:47 AM

You’re joking, right?

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 11:53 AM

What is the Difference between Ft Hood and Abu Garab?

No one died at Abu Garab

will sass u on November 11, 2009 at 11:53 AM

orange on November 11, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Amazing! That’s what the FBI guy said while enroute to the scene. He was so sure and didn’t want the rest of us rushing to conclusions.

a capella on November 11, 2009 at 11:55 AM

What is the Difference between Ft Hood and Abu Garab?

No one died at Abu Garab

will sass u on November 11, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Wrong.

orange on November 11, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Here’s what I want to know. Where was his money going? He lived in a $300/month hotel. He made a six figure income. My guess is that all that money was going directly to fund terrorism around the globe. I haven’t heard a single news outlet asking that question. Why?

Vera on November 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Those dots should have been connected before 14 people died in a hail of gunfire

Another dot to connect (and blot out): federally mandated gun free zones. If ANY law abiding citizen had a firearm in the area, this scenario may have been greatly reduced, or never happened at all (someone might have thought twice about the attempt).

You parents with kids in public school … your children are in a federally mandated gun free zone. Who is looking out for their welfare? A cop 4 minutes away? With a firearm in the hands of a bad guy, 4 minutes is a long time. Think Chechnya.

All good questions — and apparently, people in the intel community want some answers.

Because it’s a blame game, period. Do you really think any citizen will be in a safer position after the blame-shifting has settled? No, they won’t. In fact, I would suspect greater firearm restrictions against law abiding citizens.

Don’t waste your time waiting for the government. Get prepared and head down to the sporting goods store and obtain the essentials. This will happen again someday. If you aren’t Muslim, you are an infidel. They want you converted, or dead.

AZ_Redneck on November 11, 2009 at 11:58 AM

You’re joking, right?

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 11:53 AM

I’ll repeat my question: under what definition of “terrorism” is this a terrorist act?

orange on November 11, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Don’t waste your time waiting for the government. Get prepared and head down to the sporting goods store and obtain the essentials. This will happen again someday. If you aren’t Muslim, you are an infidel. They want you converted, or dead.

AZ_Redneck on November 11, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Who exactly is “they” in that last sentence?

orange on November 11, 2009 at 12:00 PM

orange on November 11, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Another lib last week said Wikipedia is not a valid source of information. Therefore, your link is worthless.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:01 PM

You’re joking, right?

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 11:53 AM
I’ll repeat my question: under what definition of “terrorism” is this a terrorist act?

orange on November 11, 2009

Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

–FBI Definition

SKYFOX on November 11, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Terrorism: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

That’s the only definition I need, and it fits your man Hasan well enough for me. If you have a problem with that, too bad.

And if he isn’t considered a terrorist by your Party, then there will be much more wrath for them to face at the ballot box next year.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Another lib last week said Wikipedia is not a valid source of information. Therefore, your link is worthless.
Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:01 PM

‘crr6′ would disagree with you on that – he/she uses that for research in “Law School” don’t ya know.

Juno77 on November 11, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
–FBI Definition

SKYFOX on November 11, 2009 at 12:02 PM

I bet that definition has been scubbed from the FBI database… as of last Thursday evening.

profitsbeard on November 11, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Here’s what I want to know. Where was his money going? He lived in a $300/month hotel. He made a six figure income. My guess is that all that money was going directly to fund terrorism around the globe. I haven’t heard a single news outlet asking that question. Why?

Vera on November 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM

It’s possible he was supporting family but the question should be asked.

aikidoka on November 11, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Juno77 on November 11, 2009 at 12:07 PM

I refuse to let a lib keep his/her usual double-standard, which is changeable as needed. Screw ‘em all. I’m going to use the words of one lib against all the others, lump them all into a pigeonhole. If one lib is rude and insulting, I’ll consider every other one the same and treat them accordingly.

They’re all the same in my book.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:12 PM

wow, perfect quote by Rush. We can not be protected by people who deny reality.

ORconservative on November 11, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Orange sez, “it’s not terrorism until we have direct orders from Osama! Anything else is just a lone madman! All is well in America!”

Dude, since you cannot connect the dots, let us help you. We are at war with Radical Islam. This guy was, shocka, Islamic. He was emailing clerics who were intimately connected to 9-11. He shouted “Allah Ackbar” during his attack.

Now, how, exactly, is this NOT an Islamic terrorist attack? He told people he was going to do a “good work for God.” that day.

Terrorism is not just a cell. It is lone gunman who are motivated by the exact same islamic ideology that the 9-11 guys were motivated by. Yet YOU and your liberal ick (not ilk, ick) want to say this guy was a poor victim.

Tell you what, Orange–let’s just assume Muslims talking with radical clerics are perfectly safe! And let’s put your family in their presence! You feel safe?

Vanceone on November 11, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

–FBI Definition

SKYFOX on November 11, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Thank you, SKYFOX.

Now, what is your evidence that Hasan was trying to intimidate or coerce a government or civilian population? If a martyr video shows up where he is saying that these sorts of things will continue to happen if the US does not pull out of Iraq/Af-Pak/etc, then I’ll agree that the definition has been met. Like I said, I’m open-minded to the possibility that it may turn out to be terrorism. But so far, in these early days, I haven’t seen the evidence.

orange on November 11, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Here we go again: another troll trying to split hairs on definitions, all to keep another blind delusion in its vacuous head.

What is the meaning of ‘is’?

SIGH

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Juno77 on November 11, 2009 at 12:07 PM

I refuse to let a lib keep his/her usual double-standard, which is changeable as needed. Screw ‘em all. I’m going to use the words of one lib against all the others, lump them all into a pigeonhole. If one lib is rude and insulting, I’ll consider every other one the same and treat them accordingly.
They’re all the same in my book.
Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Oh I agree with you.

There is nothing more fun than using the Statist Democrat’s Lies and double-standards against them – almost too much fun.

Fake8 on November 11, 2009 at 12:19 PM

just unfreakingbelievable…

PC will go down in flames hopefully very soon

cmsinaz on November 11, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Orange, his terrorist motives were identical to the 9/11 hijackers. You have to be doing more than just closing your eyes to not see this one. What’s life like with your head in the sand?

Vera on November 11, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Okay, let see here:

In one instance where we have one person who we know a great deal about – his background, etc.

And in another – like the gathering of Tea Party people on the capital steps the other day- we have thousands of people of many varied backgrounds.

In the first instance, we know the actions of this one person – murdering and wounding a number of Unarmed soldiers.

In the second, we have thousands simply exercising their right to Free-speech.

Now, in which instance did the SCM pass judgment on the motivations and actions of said person(s) and which one we’re we told to ‘Not jump to conclusions’?

Fake8 on November 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Orange, his terrorist motives were identical to the 9/11 hijackers.

Vera on November 11, 2009 at 12:28 PM

He wanted to destroy a symbol of American capitalism and/or government, hobble our economy, and lure us into a war which would serve Islamists’ purposes? What is your evidence of this?

orange on November 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Now, in which instance did the SCM pass judgment on the motivations and actions of said person(s) and which one we’re we told to ‘Not jump to conclusions’?
Fake8 on November 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM

That’s not a fair comparison. Conservatives are a clear and present danger to society, and therefore should never be given any benefit of a doubt.

But there is no reason to believe that radical Islamists may be involved in some kind of “conspiracy.” That’s just crazy talk — I heard the President himself say so.

And now that we have a mountain of incontrovertible proof, it’s even MORE important to never come to any conclusions about the Fort Hood killings.

logis on November 11, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Well, Orange, the fact that he tried to contact a 9/11 mastermind 20 times shows his determination to their cause.

Let me spell this out for you since you seem to have trouble with comprehension. Every single Islamic terrorist attack has the same ultimate purpose. Demoralize the enemy. Hasan knew that the best way he could demoralize the US was to attack our soldiers on our home base. He probably also knew that idiots like you would defend him as a victim.

Vera on November 11, 2009 at 12:43 PM

logis on November 11, 2009 at 12:39 PM

+1
spot on

cmsinaz on November 11, 2009 at 12:47 PM

He probably also knew that idiots like you would defend him as a victim.

Vera on November 11, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I have never defended him as a victim. Please make your argument coherently.

orange on November 11, 2009 at 12:49 PM

And now that we have a mountain of incontrovertible proof, it’s even MORE important to never come to any conclusions about the Fort Hood killings.

logis on November 11, 2009 at 12:39 PM

LOL! Yes, of course.

Fake8 on November 11, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Please make your argument coherently.
orange on November 11, 2009 at 12:49 PM

What’s the saying? – Physician heal thyself!

Fake8 on November 11, 2009 at 12:52 PM

This is going to get very, very messy. The FBI didn’t “accidentally” screw up. I am inclined to believe that, since their first comments after the attack was…This is not terrorism.

Couple that, with their friendly relationship with the White House, and this could potentially go a lot further up. Not that we’ll ever hear that portion.

Also….how many of us could be on our computers, and search out anything having to do with terrorism, or their groups, and not get a nice friendly visit from the FBI? This is absolutely inexcusable.

capejasmine on November 11, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Since the only thing you respond to is my charge of your victimization of Hasan, should I assume the rest of my argument stands?

Is there a particular reason, other than to garner sympathy for the terrorist, that you are so hellbent on stopping anyone from whispering the word terrorism?

Vera on November 11, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Don’t waste your time waiting for the government. Get prepared and head down to the sporting goods store and obtain the essentials. This will happen again someday. If you aren’t Muslim, you are an infidel. They want you converted, or dead.

AZ_Redneck on November 11, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Who exactly is “they” in that last sentence?

orange on November 11, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Thet ‘they’ is Muslims. You should read about Islam sometime then you’d understand

Trafalgar on November 11, 2009 at 1:25 PM

He wanted to destroy a symbol of American capitalism and/or government, hobble our economy, and lure us into a war which would serve Islamists’ purposes? What is your evidence of this?

orange on November 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Boy, it must take a lot of crania convolutions for you to come up with this stuff! Maj. Hasan did destroy a symbol of American government (soldiers) and he didn’t want to ‘lure us into a war’, we’re already in one with Islamists…it’s been in all the papers and on TV, thought maybe you’d caught a little of it over the last 8 years.

Trafalgar on November 11, 2009 at 1:28 PM

If you folks would like to get an education about the muslim/islam thing, I suggest you Google Robert Spencer, buy some books and get going! You are not going to get any information from your”leadership” or MSM. The man knows what he talking about. Speculation is of no use. Once you get your education you will see the realities of Jihad.

LarryG on November 11, 2009 at 1:37 PM

He wanted to destroy a symbol of American capitalism and/or government, hobble our economy, and lure us into a war which would serve Islamists’ purposes? What is your evidence of this?

orange on November 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM

But enough about Obama!

capejasmine on November 11, 2009 at 1:39 PM

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