Breaking: Obama rejects all current troop options on Afghanistan?
posted at 9:55 pm on November 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
Alternate headline: “Obama votes present.”
President Barack Obama does not plan to accept any of the Afghanistan war options presented by his national security team, pushing instead for revisions to clarify how and when U.S. troops would turn over responsibility to the Afghan government, a senior administration official said Wednesday.
That push follows strong reservations about a possible troop buildup expressed by the U.S. ambassador in Afghanistan, Karl Eikenberry, according to a second top administration official.
The Times actually saw this coming this morning, before the national security meeting, when it quoted one participant in the meeting as saying, “He’s simply not convinced yet that you can do a lasting counterinsurgency strategy if there is no one to hand it off to.” I can only assume that means he’s leaning towards some sort of benchmark system by which progress in reducing corruption in the Afghan government and training the Afghan army will determine how many U.S. troops are deployed. The reasonable way to do that would be to give McChrystal what he wants up front and then start pulling people out if Karzai drags his feet, but that seems unlikely if The One has rejected all possible options up front. If he decides to deploy troops piecemeal, in gradual installments depending upon whether the Afghans show progress, then he runs into the problem identified by Fred Kagan here. And of course, threatening Karzai with pulling the entire force out is a non-starter. No one believes he’ll do that; the Times has an entire piece tonight devoted to calling his bluff about it. Exit question: How much longer?
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Thanks for the concern. I moved from Galveston in 1983. Also I don’t have any relatives left there. I live and work in South Korea now.
galvestonian on November 12, 2009 at 12:26 AM
That no good, ball-less, gutless, limp-wristed, panty-waist, worthless bag of sh!t fother mucker SOB!
Ladies and gentlemen, we need to send this soul-less literal bastard back to Hell where he came from. He is a nightmare.
JoeinTX on November 12, 2009 at 12:28 AM
Wow South Korea… That is so Cool!!! :)
Dire Straits on November 12, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Oh but I have no misery!
I stand to myself and make no apologies.
I’m a die-hard conservative, a Constructionist.
I hate liberals to no end.
I don’t much care what others think. I’m not here to kiss ass or make others happy.
Never once have I made any bones about that.
Some of you mock that I have affection for AnninCA. That mocking is as vile as the lib trolls you allow here, as putrid as your quiet acceptance of them. At the same time, you revile a person who is learning about us, coming to our way at her own pace.
You call Ann an invader, yet you embrace the most vile of libs who insult us all day after day with nothing but hate for us. They spit on our values, they revile all the things we hold dear, and say that our military dead are all just a bunch of fools entranced by Bush.
Maybe simplesimon is right about you here. I’m not about to say that from my cold heart, but I have to wonder now.
Yeah, I give a shit about AnninCA. Pretty much the same way I’ve defended all of you against the lib trolls who say every minute of every day we’re all a bunch of evil scum not worth caring about.
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 12:30 AM
President Barack Petri Dish Obama?
profitsbeard on November 12, 2009 at 12:31 AM
+ 1. I think you pretty much covered ever emotion.
Dire Straits on November 12, 2009 at 12:32 AM
Very lame. But, on the other hand, she shot you down..very fun.
AUINSC on November 12, 2009 at 12:32 AM
posted at 9:55 pm on November 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
IF he decides
All this says is that teh 1 will reach a consensus (of whom we do not know) about doing NOTHING
but passing the buck, and putting more of our brave troops deployed and otherwise in harms way.
Take it to ‘em.
OkieDoc on November 12, 2009 at 12:32 AM
A
Where?
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 12:33 AM
Liam, go find a cross to climb, will ya……
JoeinTX on November 12, 2009 at 12:35 AM
OK, got it.
my defending other conservatives is lame, as you said.
I’ll make sure sure I never again defend any of us except myself.
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 12:35 AM
Ditto, with a few dozen more expletives.
Daggett on November 12, 2009 at 12:35 AM
Hey man, go with the flow
Whichever way the wind doth blow
I have a dream i have a plan
But not about Afghanistan
Send more troops? Give me a break.
I’d rather eat a Wagyu steak
My polls are slipping I must remain calm
I’ve got to consult with my imam
The advice is good-make the Army PC
Now the troops will be just like me
MaiDee on November 12, 2009 at 12:36 AM
As the great Canadian poet Geddy Lee once said, “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”
The consequences of inaction will not be pleasant.
VanPalin on November 12, 2009 at 12:36 AM
He’s being “thoughtful.” Like Letterman.
29Victor on November 12, 2009 at 12:36 AM
I rather walk on water. Got a cup?
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Good Lord,I leave the thread for a bit,and its
a freaggin soap opera!!!
canopfor on November 12, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Didn’t Neil Peart write the lyrics for Rush? Geddy and ALex wrote the music, or so I thought.
UltimateBob on November 12, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Wow…the lone defender of conservatism gives up…devastating!
AUINSC on November 12, 2009 at 12:38 AM
In war, uncertainty gets you killed. It just did.
That’s from Quotes, but it works here too.
unclesmrgol on November 12, 2009 at 12:38 AM
Yeah, these people having a big pissing match have hijacked the thread.
UltimateBob on November 12, 2009 at 12:38 AM
My bad!
VanPalin on November 12, 2009 at 12:39 AM
As the great Canadian poet Geddy Lee once said, “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”
VanPalin on November 12, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Didn’t Neil Peart write the lyrics for Rush? Geddy and ALex wrote the music, or so I thought.
UltimateBob on November 12, 2009 at 12:37 AM
UltimateBob: Free Will by Rush!!:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2L8z5Mmv7Y
canopfor on November 12, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Very nice.
Gotta respect one that can give and take all the same.
JoeinTX on November 12, 2009 at 12:41 AM
I’m no lone defender and, were you here long enough, you’d know that. But that’s okay, it’s all good.
Be what you choose. I’m all for it.
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 12:42 AM
This Commander in Chief is truly bewildering..If you are in the Military you have just have to be dumbfounded over this past weeks events.
Dire Straits on November 12, 2009 at 12:43 AM
Just trying to add some humor to a tough fight.
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 12:44 AM
canopfor on November 12, 2009 at 12:37 AM
There goes my keyboard again….
lovingmyUSA on November 12, 2009 at 12:44 AM
Waged properly? To do that you would have to name the enemy and know how and why he acts like he does. But that would be racist and not at all encompassing diversity.
BL@KBIRD on November 12, 2009 at 12:45 AM
This is ridiculous. Eikenberry was in charge of US forces in Afganistan at one time.
I wonder if this is really the equivelent of Casey complaining about Petraeus and the surge while Casey was still in charge in Iraq.
Sour grapes maybe? If I couldn’t fix it then I am certainly ot going to give you the chance?
davod on November 12, 2009 at 12:46 AM
Unless you’re in the officer ranks, and then I’m sure you saw this coming.
AnninCA on November 12, 2009 at 12:46 AM
PS:
It would be good to know if Eikenberry was against the surge in Iraq for the same reasons as now.
davod on November 12, 2009 at 12:47 AM
I’ve been here quite a while…but that’s neither here nor there. I’m no liberal. I’m just responding to what you’ve said in this thread…it’s pretty lame and ridiculous stuff. But that’s just me.
AUINSC on November 12, 2009 at 12:47 AM
canopfor on November 12, 2009 at 12:37 AM
There goes my keyboard again….
lovingmyUSA on November 12, 2009 at 12:44 AM
lovingmyUSA: Ya,I’ve got to repost,from the other thread
to Liam,so stand by!!
canopfor on November 12, 2009 at 12:48 AM
Said the 2 peckered billy goat, ‘I’ll show you diversity’.
OkieDoc on November 12, 2009 at 12:49 AM
Neil Peart is one the best drummers ever (Tom Sawyer solo is simply awesome) ever and Rush is one the Best Three Man Bands ever.
Dire Straits on November 12, 2009 at 12:49 AM
OK. We end battle here? More than likely, it seems, we’re on the same side.
Not a truce, but an end to combat between us?
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 12:50 AM
A+
The sum b!tich doesn’t know whether he’s coming or going. He knows that the hates U.S. military power, but, he’s also trying to keep his political ducks in a row on the domestic front. Importance depends upon the bill before Congress at the time and the public opinion polls. He can never reveal his true feelings lest show his anti-American vibe but he must play the part.
I feel for military folks and the average American……..neither know which will be in his sights any given week.
JoeinTX on November 12, 2009 at 12:51 AM
Thanks for sharing that.
I always thought that song was about atheism. Especially that quote. If you don’t choose a religion, you’ve pretty much made a choice then, right?
THe guys in Rush at one time claimed to be Objectivists, so that would be consistent.
Not to hijack the thread. ;-)
UltimateBob on November 12, 2009 at 12:52 AM
He did this on Veterans Day as a big middle finger to the American Soldiers. I have NO doubt.
portlandon on November 11, 2009 at 10:24 PM
As he double-crossed the Poles and Czechs and threw them to the Russians on the 70th Anniversary of the Russian invasion of Poland.
Not only is he digging our graves – he is making sure that he is getting his evil kicks out of it with such “touches” as those listed above. He is a sick little pig. (my apologies to pigs everywhere.)
If such a defective, deficient, dysfunctional and inferior piece of work can get away with all that he has and continues to with greater and greater impunity, and if we don’t have the superior moves and motivation to label him Marxist and insist on calls to impeach him, or, at the very least, if we don’t start organizing now to overcome the massive voter fraud and sheer rioting that he will perpetrate in order not to be thrown out in 2012, then we will deserve the title “sheeple”.
As another poster used to say at the end of his missives:
Let’s roll.
P.S. But let’s roll with prayer and fasting, because our enemy, while wearing Obama/Rahm/Soros faces, is diabolical in nature and in fact, and can only be defeated if our efforts are founded first in the spiritual realm of nuclear weaponry: prayer and fasting.
tigerlily on November 12, 2009 at 12:52 AM
His polls must go up when he gives eulogies for soldiers.
He wants to make more of them.
29Victor on November 12, 2009 at 12:52 AM
Liam:
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I ask a favour, to pause and let Ann be herself. She’s becoming like you and me. Please trust a little, have a little bit of faith with me?
Liam on November 11, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Liam: Agreed! Tolerance is better practised on the RIGHT
than the LEFT!!:)
canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 10:00 PM
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canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Hi! And thank you so much, Friend!
I don’t care about the trolls, who I’m out to destroy. I’m interested only in AnninCA.
Thanks for helping me. I’m grateful to you.
Respects,
Liam
Liam on November 11, 2009 at 10:03 PM
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Liam,I mean’t tolerance is okay,however cavorting with
Liberals should be at your descretion!!
And I mean that in a kind,and joking kind of way!!:)
Remember,Liberal FemBots from the ObamaVoterBots can
be sneaky,*wink*wink* if you get my drift,as a male
perspective!!:)
canopfor on November 12, 2009 at 12:54 AM
oh god the dems are replaying Veitnam. soon we will be hearing that there is a light at the end of the tunnel and the milatary will be reporting enemy “bodycounts”
god help us.
unseen on November 12, 2009 at 12:58 AM
Thanks for keeping my back!
I’m okay so far. I have far more firepower than I let on.
I just gotta keep a little faith.
I trust in God but I tie my horse.
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 12:59 AM
All things are possible on the interwebs, I suppose. If this little mild give and take is the worst thing that happens in the world today, we’ve got it pretty easy…but it’s not, of course.
AUINSC on November 12, 2009 at 1:00 AM
Not to hijack the thread. ;-)
UltimateBob on November 12, 2009 at 12:52 AM
UltimateBob: Tooooooooooo late,the cows left the barn,
somebody beat ya to it!:)
I loved Rush,from their song,when I first
heard it,
Fly by Night!!:)
canopfor on November 12, 2009 at 1:01 AM
Thanks. I apologize for lighting off on you where I might have.
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 1:04 AM
I trust in God but I tie my horse.
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Liam:Amen on that,:)
canopfor on November 12, 2009 at 1:04 AM
http://www.veteranoutrage.com
First i knew obama would do anything he could to surrender in two wars at the same time, but not make it look like a surrender..
This is classic liberalism / communist strategy..
In vietnam (remember john kerry i got 3 purple hearts)
well that piece of garbage said hey lets let the south vietnamese handle it and we can just fund them (i wonder if the dems used the words benchmarks)..
Then as soon as the democrats coudl (within 12 – 18 months)
they again VOTED to CUT OFF funding ..
so the south vietnamese were at the mercy of the communist aided north..
Of course ONLY 2 MILLION DIED..
Chump change to democrats like kerry murtha clinton and of course barrack obama..
So then murtha gets in front of the tv (with his dumb ass big mouth) and states how the democrats will SLOW BLEED the US TROOPS..
How about we hang the democrats pig asses ansd watch them SLOWLY BLEED..
I wonder how they would think of that term then..
when they realize its their communist asses on the line..
But i digress..
Now we see first in iraq (democrats cried litterally CRIED) on the senate floor for ‘guess what’
BENCHMARKS..
And Bush correctly said SCREW YOU..
and the Surge worked..
But now we have a liberal who couldnt fight his pussy ass way out of a paper bag if it was wet with a hole in it..
(got to keep the bag away from barney franks)
sorry i digress again..
So now we see the surpreme leader (err ok he hasnt lead anything but thats his title)..
And he also wants benchmarks..
And iof the liberals dont like what they see..
they just pull funding
MILLIONS DIE
and they claim its all the militaries fault..
These liberals disgust all true americans..
This is why in hollywood you see all of the celebrities (emotional dooshbags) who LOVE to PRETEND
their heros.. (their liberal actors) they always live in a fantasy land.. but never ever ever would dare
Serve in the us military
or even dare to work in the desert heat without an airconditioner..
these creeps now are going to set benchmarks??
You mean benchmarks as to WHEN OBAMA and the DEMOCREEPS
can surrender our entire country to the islamic nazis..
If they try this bullshit it will be time to clean house..
and GET RID of all of the liberals ..
and for that matter so called conservatives who always manage to vote fro every dumb ass liberal idea on the planet..
veteranoutrage on November 12, 2009 at 1:07 AM
Well for some inexplicable reason Liam,I had
to remind you,so I’ll say goodnight,and see you
tommorow on the threads,and every other H/A Crew
member,
keep your powder dry,and your ammo for the Liberals
and Jihadys!!
Nite everyone,and HawkDriver may the winds of Hot Air
rise above your rotors and keep you safe and with the
faith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)
canopfor on November 12, 2009 at 1:09 AM
Back to thread: If Obama isn’t going to back our troops, they need to be brought home. Then we deal with Obama and the Dems at the ballot box–without any mercy.
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 1:10 AM
Back to thread: If Obama isn’t going to back our troops, they need to be brought home. Then we deal with Obama and the Dems at the ballot box–without question.
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 1:12 AM
Rush and Pink Floyd were two cassettes that would get the cops attention if you were stopped in a road block or traffic stop. Their thinking was if you were listening to those bands you had grass somewhere. Man you brought back the memories.
Dire Straits on November 12, 2009 at 1:12 AM
Well, then, no need to waste a bullet on ya. ;-)
Seriously… I used to do stuff like that; Even here up until about a year ago. Talk/type rationally, and at great length to people who I thought might have a spark that could be kindled.
If I had that wasted time back, I could build a house, by myself, from scratch.
That’s why I only snark anymore. That doesn’t waste much time.
LegendHasIt on November 12, 2009 at 1:13 AM
Oops!
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 1:13 AM
WOW, I really feel for all of our men and women over there right now and their families back here at home. They are nothing but a pawn now with so much at stake. I really want to finish the war there and just blow all the terrorists away but it doesn’t look like that is going to happen. Bring them home now so no more have to die and their families back home don’t have to suffer and worry any longer. After this and the way the Ft. Hood incident is being handled. I have no respect left for FUBO.
Brat4life on November 12, 2009 at 1:15 AM
I tried reasoning with libs, but found that a waste of energy. So now, using their standard, I go at them the same way they come at us.
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 1:16 AM
Can we all pray that Gen. McChrystal and Gen. Petraeus resign?
grits on November 12, 2009 at 1:18 AM
You out there, AnninCA?
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 1:18 AM
You’re right…we do have a lot in common. That’s the way I feel too. He’s blowing it…doing another LBJ…dawdling for personal and political reasons, while the best citizens this country has are being hurt. He doesn’t deserve the honor of being in their company, much less commanding them. Obama and his corrupt, witless minions must be stopped today and then purged in 2010 and 2012 at the ballot box or we won’t survive as a nation.
AUINSC on November 12, 2009 at 1:20 AM
Change I can believe in and hope for!
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 1:20 AM
+1000
Pick a Dem–he or she would F up his/her own funeral.
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 1:23 AM
Oh Lord–memories of smokey cars and Boone’s Farm…
lovingmyUSA on November 12, 2009 at 1:25 AM
Oh, yeah! And Springsteen on the 8-track…
Liam on November 12, 2009 at 1:27 AM
Dire Straits on November 12, 2009 at 1:28 AM
How can anyone ever leave Galveston? It’s so beautiful there, I love the old town and the sea wall….
Tim Burton on November 12, 2009 at 1:29 AM
Just out of curiousity.. Where you there during Hurricane Ike and if you were did you ride out storm?
Dire Straits on November 12, 2009 at 1:31 AM
Obama is an idiot. He has been saying for years this was a war of necessity, did he not realize there were some corruption problems in the region? This is pure politics. He claimed to support the war for political reasons and he is backing away from it now for the same reason. The troops are secondary to him.
echosyst on November 12, 2009 at 1:31 AM
Little tidbit I learned recently: Geddy Lee’s parents survived Auschwitz. Alex Lifeson was born Aleksandar
Erich66 on November 12, 2009 at 1:32 AM
This would be a bad idea, don’t even think it. If this happened the troop morale would tumble even lower and they have no way out of this mess. They need strong leaders in place to look out for them.
Brat4life on November 12, 2009 at 1:36 AM
OK, On topic then.
Long ago, In a previous life, in a galaxy far far away, it was my honor, my vocation and my avocation to fight enemies of America, up close and personal.
If 0bama is going to dither about this, I say just go ahead and pull everyone out now. Let the bad guys take over Afghanistan completely.
Let them do whatever the hell they want. Let them host and support Al Qaeda and any other bunch of islamic terrorists they want.
And when they (inevitably) launch a horrific terrorist attack on America, or American interests, we soon will get an American President and/or Congress with people who have the testicles to defend us….. And we will utterly destroy the host country, damned be to ‘collateral damage’
Of course I don’t live or have any family members or loved ones who live in any likely terrorist targets, so that’s easy for me to say. If those that want America to fail to succeed in the ‘war on terror’ DO have loved ones in such places, maybe they ought to ‘examine their premises’.
LegendHasIt on November 12, 2009 at 1:41 AM
Nothing better in the back seat during a drive-in movie…
lovingmyUSA on November 12, 2009 at 1:43 AM
I’m waiting for him to make an allusion to Afghanistan not getting troops because he isn’t getting healthcare reform.
jhffmn on November 12, 2009 at 1:47 AM
One Big A## Mistake, America…(O.B.A.M.A.)
How very sad and very true.
rtsidedragon on November 12, 2009 at 1:50 AM
Well I don’t if there was nothing better in the back seat but I am feeling your vibe. :)
Dire Straits on November 12, 2009 at 1:53 AM
It is apparent that Obama has never seen this…
Seven Percent Solution on November 12, 2009 at 1:55 AM
;)
lovingmyUSA on November 12, 2009 at 1:59 AM
Seven Percent Solution
I remember that video–I KNOW our Idiot-in-chief has never seen it…
lovingmyUSA on November 12, 2009 at 2:00 AM
I for one, am furious over what Obambi is putting the families of the soldiers through. It’s bad enough having your loved ones in harms way–but to have a commander who is still sucking his thumb over this…
Geez, we don’t have time to diaper-train Obambi–the training wheels have to come off now!!!
lovingmyUSA on November 12, 2009 at 2:03 AM
This is one of my favorite scenes from Freaks and Geeks: kid sitting around listening to Rush, calling that his “homework”. Reminds me a bit too much of myself when I was that age. :) Also reminds me of our President sitting around and doing nothing, yet claiming he’s hard at work.
VanPalin on November 12, 2009 at 2:06 AM
Well, that’s everything. I naively thought that maybe this guy could at least fight a war. Nope. We’ve got ourselves a full-fledged Liberal Fascist, Euro-Weenie punk as President.
RadClown on November 12, 2009 at 2:10 AM
So he’s not giving them any reenforcements. What is this jerk trying to do? Withdraw by attrition?
- The Cat
MirCat on November 12, 2009 at 2:20 AM
I disagree. Strongly! Somebody needs to call their bluff. And when the American people realize what’s happening, they’re going to go ballistic!
grits on November 12, 2009 at 2:21 AM
To hear Tom Sawyer and the drum solo live was and is major league and I am glad I was able to experience it. mmm.. mmm..mmm
Dire Straits on November 12, 2009 at 2:23 AM
Oh, I think he showed his true feelings for the military when he gave a shout out to his homies before addressing the issue of US soldiers shot and killed by an Islamic madman.
jana on November 12, 2009 at 2:25 AM
Great website jana..love the dogs welcoming back their troops…pure class!!!
Dire Straits on November 12, 2009 at 2:33 AM
Thanks! I got all teary-eyed watching those… wasn’t sure whether to laugh or cry!
jana on November 12, 2009 at 2:35 AM
Do they have any more Trial Balloons we can bust?
Maybe Obama could make a deal with AQ to give them Bush, father and Son, for beheading, and then all will be forgiven.
Ed Laskie on November 12, 2009 at 2:47 AM
Duty called, I joined the military in 1983.
galvestonian on November 12, 2009 at 2:57 AM
Let’s see, Commander in chief and never been in the military. Obviously well qaulified.
Johan Klaus on November 12, 2009 at 3:20 AM
Good.
No troops for a dumb war
Spathi on November 12, 2009 at 3:27 AM
He’s simply voting “present” again. The Saul Alinsky wind-up doll is incapable of making tough decisions. I’m surprised he can even decide on waffles or pancakes to accompany his morning smokes.
{^_^}
herself on November 12, 2009 at 3:34 AM
Our men and woman in the military have one advantage with odummy in charge
they aren’t accused of murder and rape and baby killing and torture and occupation and other assorted disparagements on a daily basis
we all know why and it will change as soon as stupid is replaced by a conservative
the libs are consistent in their inconsistency
Sonosam on November 12, 2009 at 3:34 AM
but. . .but. . .he went to Dover in the middle of the night? See, he CARES!!! Isn’t that enough?
(do I really need a /sarc tag?)
johnny alpha on November 12, 2009 at 4:39 AM
Precedent Zero is Precedent NERO.
But that presupposes he’s unaware, aloof and incompetent (which he is). But he wants this to happen. He hates America. He hates the military. He hates every institution that has made us the greatest nation the world has ever seen because, although he was born here, his soul is totally alien.
Counting down the next 1,165 days, and each second is like an eternity. G-d help us.
J.J. Sefton on November 12, 2009 at 6:04 AM
This is a karma hurricane. This cannot last. The force has to get back into balance somehow. Where are our Jedi Knights?
ted c on November 12, 2009 at 6:10 AM
This is ridiculous. It is his job….
Oh well.
When I saw this headline I thought of those people on the right who said we were better off with Obama than McCain..and I thought really? Are we really? Say what you will about McCain Feingold, at least John McCain would understand what being the CinC means.
Terrye on November 12, 2009 at 6:41 AM
what he is trying to do is define some objective that will please both liberals and conservitive voters. In doing so, however, he verifies my worst fear about Afghanistan. That is that we may end up there forever, with no clear objective and no will to win. War, any war, is doomed to failure if we do not have the will to win, or the sense to get out.
MikeA on November 12, 2009 at 6:43 AM
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