Breaking: Obama rejects all current troop options on Afghanistan?

posted at 9:55 pm on November 11, 2009 by Allahpundit

Alternate headline: “Obama votes present.”

President Barack Obama does not plan to accept any of the Afghanistan war options presented by his national security team, pushing instead for revisions to clarify how and when U.S. troops would turn over responsibility to the Afghan government, a senior administration official said Wednesday.

That push follows strong reservations about a possible troop buildup expressed by the U.S. ambassador in Afghanistan, Karl Eikenberry, according to a second top administration official.

The Times actually saw this coming this morning, before the national security meeting, when it quoted one participant in the meeting as saying, “He’s simply not convinced yet that you can do a lasting counterinsurgency strategy if there is no one to hand it off to.” I can only assume that means he’s leaning towards some sort of benchmark system by which progress in reducing corruption in the Afghan government and training the Afghan army will determine how many U.S. troops are deployed. The reasonable way to do that would be to give McChrystal what he wants up front and then start pulling people out if Karzai drags his feet, but that seems unlikely if The One has rejected all possible options up front. If he decides to deploy troops piecemeal, in gradual installments depending upon whether the Afghans show progress, then he runs into the problem identified by Fred Kagan here. And of course, threatening Karzai with pulling the entire force out is a non-starter. No one believes he’ll do that; the Times has an entire piece tonight devoted to calling his bluff about it. Exit question: How much longer?

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Kicking that f*cking can down the road a little bit longer, while our guys twist in the wind trying to accomplish the mother f*cking mission he okayed.

Way to lead, assh0le.

BadgerHawk on November 11, 2009 at 9:57 PM

*facepalm!

WisCon on November 11, 2009 at 9:57 PM

Translation. We’re going to pull out of Afghanastan, since it’s clearly in shambles.

AnninCA on November 11, 2009 at 9:58 PM

unstinkingbelievable…

the man has no cajones whatsoever…

cmsinaz on November 11, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Hard to believe.

tbear44 on November 11, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Pelosi: Merry Christmas!

TheQuestion on November 11, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Coward.

Kevin71 on November 11, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Somebody REALLY needs to tell Obama he needs to sh*t or get off the pot. Sitting around reading the paper isn’t an option.

Rocks on November 11, 2009 at 9:59 PM

he’s figuring a way to send troops to Israel to force them to hand over Jerusalem to Hamas.

kelley in virginia on November 11, 2009 at 9:59 PM

You suck Barry.

tbear44 on November 11, 2009 at 9:59 PM

ok, fine, if he wants to pull out of AfPak (I don’t know what the right answer is)–then DO IT! don’t allow one more American to die there while you f*ck around the White House.

kelley in virginia on November 11, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Does he have the balls to pull of out Afghanistan if that is what he really wants to do?

I really don’t think so.

If we weren’t living through this nightmare, I’d swear his presidency is just a bad caricature of a liberal president.

Nessuno on November 11, 2009 at 10:00 PM

What a despicable POS.

uncivilized on November 11, 2009 at 10:00 PM

At least he has the judgment to lead.

flyfisher on November 11, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Translation. We’re going to pull out of Afghanastan, since it’s clearly in shambles.

AnninCA on November 11, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Oh, clearly, General Inca… you must have a great view of Afghanistan from California… tell General McChrystal I said hello.

mankai on November 11, 2009 at 10:01 PM

From a deficit point of view, I’m glad. It’s so expensive. From a troops point of view, it might be wiser. Some of these troops have seen too many tours of duty already. From a Pakistan point of view, it might be better. Let them go back to Afghanastan.

And from a terrorism point of view, it’s probably a mistake.

AnninCA on November 11, 2009 at 10:01 PM

I bet,its all that Stinging BACKLASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 10:02 PM

What do you mean “what?” The only decisions he makes have nothing to do with weighty real issues like this.

KittyLowrey on November 11, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Somebody REALLY needs to tell Obama he needs to sh*t or get off the pot. Sitting around reading the paper isn’t an option.

Rocks on November 11, 2009 at 9:59 PM

I would imagine that many, many people have told him exactly that. He just won’t, unless his Magic 8 Ball tells him to.

uncivilized on November 11, 2009 at 10:02 PM

I continue to believe that Obama never had any intention of sending more troops to Afghanistan and that decision was made back in March. That was the world famous “Don’t even think about it” Jim Jones WTF moment ignored by the news media. Or squashed by the White House when it leaked.

Skandia Recluse on November 11, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Bill Ayers is gettin’ to him. Yeppers, I said it two weeks ago. That whole “McChrystal Light” BS was just that… BS and a trial balloon to smoke out ol’ Billy. Billy A said he was going to release the “real” author of the Dreams book and demand a book tour.

Bill Ayers has the White House by the short n’ curlies….

say it ain’t so.

ted c on November 11, 2009 at 10:02 PM

I knew it was too good to be true.

Quite a Veterans day message to the troops:

Obama:”Go twist in the wind”

portlandon on November 11, 2009 at 10:02 PM

he’s buying time, waiting for the winter to hit as things will calm down. big question is what is plan for starting in the spring

jp on November 11, 2009 at 10:02 PM

I’m so pissed right now. That’s the first time (I think) I’ve ever called him something other than President Obama.

The current strategy IS NOT WORKING. Our guys are dying trying to implement a strategy he okayed with insufficient resources. Either commit the resources or scrap the mission.

He’s quite possibly the worst CINC in American history. An absolutely pathetic leader.

BadgerHawk on November 11, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Oh, clearly, General Inca… you must have a great view of Afghanistan from California… tell General McChrystal I said hello.

mankai on November 11, 2009 at 10:01 PM

The only option I haven’t heard discussed is pulling out. I just meant that’s where he’s headed.

They won’t be able to even come close to timetables in Afghanastan.

AnninCA on November 11, 2009 at 10:03 PM

He’s betting his sycophants in the media will be able to cover up and explain away the motivations of the coming Muslim terror attacks on the homeland and that he won’t be held accountable for his cowardice and treason.

elduende on November 11, 2009 at 10:03 PM

We have a real problem, this president is crazy.

Amadeus on November 11, 2009 at 10:03 PM

“When you are in command, command.”

Horatius on November 11, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Thank Colin Powell, IMO:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/gen-powell-to-president-obama-on-afpak-strategy-take-your-time.html

Takeaway soundbite:

“This is a very difficult one for him,” Powell said. “And it isn’t just a one-time decision. This is the decision that will have consequences for the better part of his administration. So Mr. President, don’t get pushed by the left to do nothing; don’t get pushed by the right to do everything. You take your time and you figure it out. You’re the commander-in-chief and this is what you were elected for.”

It’s still all about the “O”.

cs89 on November 11, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Hey, how ’bout that speech at Ft. Hood, eh? He gave a good speech, right? Yup. He sure can give a good speech.

Weight of Glory on November 11, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Did any of you people think that this POS would actually lead and act like a CINC?

SNAFU.

Obama is Jimmy Carter II. What an indecisive douche.

ICBMMan on November 11, 2009 at 10:04 PM

he’s figuring a way to send troops to Israel to force them to hand over Jerusalem to Hamas.

kelley in virginia on November 11, 2009 at 9:59 PM

Lol. You got a point there.

nyx on November 11, 2009 at 10:04 PM

portlandon on November 11, 2009 at 10:02 PM

+1

our pansy-in-chief…absolute disgust right now…

cmsinaz on November 11, 2009 at 10:04 PM

And this suprises who?

Hog Wild on November 11, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Obama looking for ways to surrender…

Sharr on November 11, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Personally, enough of the waffling. Spit it out. There comes a time to make a decision, and we’re there.

AnninCA on November 11, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Kicking that f*cking can down the road a little bit longer, while our guys twist in the wind trying to accomplish the mother f*cking mission he okayed.

Way to lead, assh0le.

BadgerHawk on November 11, 2009 at 9:57 PM

You summed it up perfectly.

Fu*k you Barry, you worthless heel.

portlandon on November 11, 2009 at 10:05 PM

From a deficit point of view, I’m glad. It’s so expensive.
AnninCA on November 11, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Translation: I want my free health care no matter what.

Monica on November 11, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Zero fiddled

Erich66 on November 11, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Present

Elfvis on November 11, 2009 at 10:06 PM

This man is not just a Marxist. He is an incompetent Marxist.
At least get the freakin message straight. One day it’s no, then maybe, then no, then half ways, then we’ll send all the troops that are needed, no it’s no again.
Insanity is the baseline of the Obama administration.
Was Carter this feakin bad? Didn’t Carter at least do something right once in awhile?? What does he do with his time?? I know he poses on magazine covers, gives speeches and eats. Oh yeah, he plays basketball.

JellyToast on November 11, 2009 at 10:06 PM

I thought,he agreed to increase the Troops,
so,is he lying,or is he allowed to change his mind!!

And,

THE so-called LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD IS PLAYING POLITICS
WITH AMERICAN`S SONS AND DAUGHTERS!!!!!!!!!!
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canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 10:07 PM

I wish Obama Sr. had pulled out.

txag92 on November 11, 2009 at 10:07 PM

he’s buying time, waiting for the winter to hit as things will calm down. big question is what is plan for starting in the spring

jp on November 11, 2009 at 10:02 PM

I dont know, but I’m a reservist “Port Dawg” and its our job to move them. Moving 40000 troops and equipment is NOT easy. We need as much notice as possible.

Amadeus on November 11, 2009 at 10:07 PM

BHO is a total loser who jeopardizes the troops already in place to play politics at home and abroad. Cant lead and wont follow his general’s advice. Tick tock…15 dead so far this month and counting.

canditaylor68 on November 11, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Obama: American Gorbachev

tetriskid on November 11, 2009 at 10:07 PM

You take your time and you figure it out. You’re the commander-in-chief and this is what you were elected for.”

Yeah, that’s right. You take your time. After all, it’s not YOU getting shot at and blown up in CrapCanIstan; take all the time you need. We don’t want to rush you or anything. They’re just our kids – our treasure – that you’re fracking around with.
Idiot.

uncivilized on November 11, 2009 at 10:07 PM

He’s simply not convinced yet that you can do a lasting counterinsurgency strategy if there is no one to hand it off to.

But that’s not what he campaigned on. He SUPPORTED the war in Afghanistan because we had to defeat the terrorists there and the growth of the Taliban.

NOW he’s saying we can’t fight there because there’s no SOCIALIST government he can hand it off to?!

FUBO!

FUBO!

Skywise on November 11, 2009 at 10:07 PM

I think the left is getting to him. He needs to be impeached.This man is killin’ us.

ohiobabe on November 11, 2009 at 10:07 PM

If Osama Bin Laden was President, would he do things differently? And that is the take away from Barry’s dithering.

nyx on November 11, 2009 at 10:07 PM

My dear flock, I am omnipotent and all knowing. You must trust me. I am ignoring elders, military experts, learned statesmen and other critics and I, alone, will make much more wordly and acceptable decisions. I will find the best way to lose this conflict, mend the walls and sacrifice only the lives that are necessary to promote my “one world” society.

PaCadle on November 11, 2009 at 10:08 PM

I wonder if the options Obama had on Afghanistan didn’t Poll well.

President WeatherVane strikes again.

I just can’t believe he decided to drop this on Veterans day. This can’t be a coincidence. I’m sure Bill Ayers & Bernadine Dorn & Barry are having a good old laugh about it.

portlandon on November 11, 2009 at 10:08 PM

The only option I haven’t heard discussed is pulling out. I just meant that’s where he’s headed.

AnninCA on November 11, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Clearly, his head is in his ars. He need to pull it out, for the sake of America and the world.

Schadenfreude on November 11, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Didn’t we constantly hear from Pelosi, Kerry, etc. how Bush didn’t listen to the generals on the ground? Once again, Obama gets a pass. He might as well just give up if he isn’t going to give the general what he needs.

arteest on November 11, 2009 at 10:08 PM

No, no, no –

It’s getting close to too late to pull the trigger for a counterinsurgency campaign in the spring; if we want troops in place then, they have to be moving now.

Or has everyone forgotten the amount of time it took from W announcing his decision to surge & actually getting the troops in place to implement the strategy?

Hint: we had Harry Reid pronouncing the strategy a failure before the troops required to implement it were deployed.

BD57 on November 11, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Pull out of Afghanistan Barry! You don’t want them punished with a baby!

All kidding aside, this man’s dithering is killing and demoralizing American soldiers.

daesleeper on November 11, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Just another example of how his entire campaign was a lie. This man knows nothing except that he is the smartest coolest guy in the world. It’s enough for him and should be enough for the rest of us.

Cindy Munford on November 11, 2009 at 10:09 PM

I wish Obama Sr. had pulled out.

txag92 on November 11, 2009 at 10:07 PM

That levity is very much appreciated right now.

BadgerHawk on November 11, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Obama: American Gorbachev

tetriskid on November 11, 2009 at 10:07 PM

OMG, you’re right. He is Mikail Carter or Jimmy Gorbachev. We are so screwed.

portlandon on November 11, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Anybody remember the JFK/Cronkite interview from Sept. 1963?

Go find it if you don’t know what I’m talking about.
Obama is laying the groundwork for getting out.

The similarities are almost exact.

B Man on November 11, 2009 at 10:09 PM

This is truly a no win situation. Commit troops, and the left hammers him. Fail to commit troops, and the right hammers him, and the war may be lost. Either way, the right hammers him. The right political thing is the wrong moral thing and vice versa.

When in doubt, do the right moral thing, let politics take care of politics.

ted c on November 11, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Trial balloon last week: send them all.
Trial balloon this week: send zero.

Marcus on November 11, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Translation. We’re going to pull out of Afghanastan, since it’s clearly in shambles.

AnninCA on November 11, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Really Ann, which part did you see as a shambles when you were here?

hawkdriver on November 11, 2009 at 10:10 PM

How long before some generals resign?

flyfisher on November 11, 2009 at 10:11 PM

I wonder if the options Obama had on Afghanistan didn’t Poll well.

President WeatherVane strikes again.

I just can’t believe he decided to drop this on Veterans day. This can’t be a coincidence. I’m sure Bill Ayers & Bernadine Dorn & Barry are having a good old laugh about it.

portlandon on November 11, 2009 at 10:08 PM

This is not about polling. This is about Barry’s Marxist principles. This is his way of taking revenge on the country that made him President. He’s remaking America all right..into Post WWII France.

nyx on November 11, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Really Ann, which part did you see as a shambles when you were here?

hawkdriver on November 11, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Just the election. That pretty much was a shambles.

AnninCA on November 11, 2009 at 10:11 PM

portlandon on November 11, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Coincidence? I think not. This is how Obama thanks the troops and veterans on VETERAN’S DAY of all days. Unbelievable. That whole Arlington Cemetery ceremony today must have been painful for him, very painful.

He’s a joke of a President who does not care about the military and people are/will die ON HIS WATCH.

conservative pilgrim on November 11, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Then bring our sons and daughters home.

publiuspen on November 11, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Could he being doing this because of the earlier leaks? If so, I am not really crazy about our military being used to teach someone, other then the enemy, a lesson.

Cindy Munford on November 11, 2009 at 10:12 PM

since he rejected all the military strategies, I guess he’s coming up with a plan himself.

yep, that Harvard education & community organizing is alot like being a line officer in the desert.

kelley in virginia on November 11, 2009 at 10:12 PM

Actual footage of Obama deliberating his decision.

bitsy on November 11, 2009 at 10:12 PM

Alternate headline: “Obama votes present.”

I can’t believe it! CBS lied to you Allah:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/09/cbs-obama-to-give-mcchrystal-almost-all-the-troops-he-asked-for/

Oh well…what can you do?

AUINSC on November 11, 2009 at 10:12 PM

There could be another issue floating around. I have long thought that if he pulls out of Iraq too aggressively and then loses there?

That would truly end his presidency.

AnninCA on November 11, 2009 at 10:12 PM

I wonder if the options Obama had on Afghanistan didn’t Poll well.

And that’s the whole thing, really. He simply can’t do anything just because it’s the right thing to do, or because it really has to be done. He has to preen, to dither, to consult with his political flunkies and weigh the polls…
Idiot.

uncivilized on November 11, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Only positive spin for this performance would be that there are certain other size 22 or so shoes to drop. Wouldn’t be the first time he or other presidents kept a critical secret from the public and dissimulated.

Just trying to keep an open mind.

CK MacLeod on November 11, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Two weeks ago, it was “Barry rejects troop expansion.” Then last week it was “Barry doesn’t reject troop expansion, he just wants to pick from Plan A, B, C, D, E.”

Should’ve known he’d end up taking Plan F (for Failure).

Blacksmith on November 11, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Dagwood Bumstead called him “MR. DITHERS”.

bannedbyhuffpo on November 11, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Fine. Fuck it all.

Get out troops out NOW. As of now, I consider every American death a murder on Obama’s part. And also on the hands of the Dems.

Fuck ye!

You LIBS are assassins in the worst of all ways. Fuck ye!

Wait for the bloodshed at the ballot box a year from now. We gonna getcha!

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 10:13 PM

There was no hint from Petraeus’ comments today that this could be the decision. Could it be that he too would be blindsided by this? By setting up the impossible benchmark of a non-corrupt, stable Afghan Govt before we commit more troops Obama has made his choice clear. If he’s just going to let Afghanistan go to hell in a handbasket I say pull the troops out now. Why should we continue to take casualties if we’re just going to retreat anyway? This is sickening.

BrianBoru on November 11, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Really Ann, which part did you see as a shambles when you were here?

hawkdriver on November 11, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Just the election. That pretty much was a shambles.

AnninCA on November 11, 2009 at 10:11 PM

You were in Afghanistan for the election?

BadgerHawk on November 11, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Trial balloon last week: send them all.
Trial balloon this week: send zero.

Marcus on November 11, 2009 at 10:10 PM

dude; it’s all pavlovian operant conditioning. They are simply gauging public opinion and triangulating from there. They did the same thing with the “public option” in SEP. Ed, AP and Michelle should see these trial balloons for what they are. They give us all the best, then the worst, check the response, weather the response, then show reluctant ambivalence to decide to appear to be the most reasonable man on the planet.

ted c on November 11, 2009 at 10:14 PM

This is a Mark Halperin’s A-
This is the real world’s F

nyx on November 11, 2009 at 10:14 PM

How long before some generals resign?

flyfisher on November 11, 2009 at 10:11 PM

If Petraeus resigns, stick a fork in Obama.

Erich66 on November 11, 2009 at 10:14 PM

you know, if he would only make one gesture to our military. just one.

like take that Hasan & try him like the terrorist he is. & kill him. (after a fair trial, of course)

kelley in virginia on November 11, 2009 at 10:14 PM

I can only assume that means he’s leaning towards some sort of benchmark system by which progress in reducing corruption in the Afghan government and training the Afghan army will determine how many U.S. troops are deployed. The reasonable way to do that would be to give McChrystal what he wants up front and then start pulling people out if Karzai drags his feet, but that seems unlikely if The One has rejected all possible options up front. If he decides to deploy troops piecemeal, in gradual installments depending upon whether the Afghans show progress, then he runs into the problem identified by Fred Kagan here. And of course, threatening Karzai with pulling the entire force out is a non-starter. No one believes he’ll do that; the Times has an entire piece tonight devoted to calling his bluff about it. Exit question: How much longer?

Great exit question! How much longer indeed. How nuch longer before Obama realize that you, Allahpundit, is auditioning for a position on his foreign policy team?

RMR on November 11, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Never has someone who has accomplished so little thought more highly of himself.

JellyToast on November 11, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Just the election. That pretty much was a shambles.

AnninCA on November 11, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Really, what was proven by your investigation when you were here?

hawkdriver on November 11, 2009 at 10:16 PM

The end result of these “trial balloons” is that we are going to eventually cease to be shocked as the real work is hidden by our own blindness from the outrage. We need to cease to be outraged and continue to deal in reason and logic.

We are being played. It’s like he puts all the money on the table, the game starts, then pulls back his bet when the cards are half out there. It’s cheating.

ted c on November 11, 2009 at 10:16 PM

But.. but… it’s all Boooooooooosh’s fault.

tbear44 on November 11, 2009 at 10:16 PM

The end result of these “trial balloons” is that we are going to eventually cease to be shocked as the real work is hidden by our own blindness from the outrage. We need to cease to be outraged and continue to deal in reason and logic.

We are being played. It’s like he puts all the money on the table, the game starts, then pulls back his bet when the cards are half out there. It’s cheating.

ted c on November 11, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Definitely operation chaos.

AnninCA on November 11, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Cindy Munford on November 11, 2009 at 10:09 PM

He is much more interested in being The President – rock-star cool, adored everywhere he goes, a celebrity legend – than being A president. Being decisive, taking action, not saying stupid shit in public…no, can’t be A president. Too much like work.

uncivilized on November 11, 2009 at 10:17 PM

FUBAR.

The Ugly American on November 11, 2009 at 10:17 PM

You know, all of this wouldn’t be a problem if Obama could just figure out how to get away with looking good in a uniform.

Socratease on November 11, 2009 at 10:17 PM

If Petraeus resigns, stick a fork in Obama.

Erich66 on November 11, 2009 at 10:14 PM

good call…

cmsinaz on November 11, 2009 at 10:18 PM

ted c: i am going to bed now & dreaming of next November when we whip some Congressional ass. your friend in the 5th

kelley in virginia on November 11, 2009 at 10:18 PM

If you’re going to keep dithering, and not taking it seriously, BRING THEM HOME.

Otherwise, get your liberal stick out of your ass, and commit like you said we should.

Enoxo on November 11, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Wasn’t it leaked just a few days ago that Gates, Hillary and some other prominent type were all for sending 30K or more troops over there? Is Barry just being a pouty d!ck because this info leaked out?

Patrick S on November 11, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Notice the lame-stream media build up about his eighth “war council” meeting. All done with an eye toward the hagiography.

David Axlerod, political advisor, sits in, right?

publiuspen on November 11, 2009 at 10:18 PM

At least my Prime Minister supports the Australian Defence Force. He was even in Afghanistan this week to show his support. Something that I am grateful for.

Would Obama show his face in Iraq or Afghanistan to meet American troops?

Crux Australis on November 11, 2009 at 10:19 PM

If the POSUS isn’t backing our troops in a war, then I want our people home immediately.

I don’t want hawkdriver killed b/c Obama, the Dems, and the rest of the lib trolls who post here aren’t up to backing him. F you libs.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 10:19 PM

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