Being a psychiatrist does not declare that you are a sane person or have been cleared as sane in any respect.

Indeed, most psychiatrist went there hoping to heal thy self.

I’m not entirely convinced either way, but can’t we at least entertain the notion that this is a psychopath and not a terrorist?

I mean, is this guy a terrorist? Or these people?

…which rules out terrorists, what with all that planning and premeditated evil.

In other words, shooter had no idea how the guns got into his hands, had no memory of ever buying the guns found in his hands later after a shooting spree and was not aware of who he was or how he got to where he engaged in shooting others. But that’s very difficult to prove, that degree of being “out of it” or not in one’s right mind, that someone doing such would be utterly unaware of how they’d planned, organized and carried out their criminal acts.

They could be faking the lack of awareness (most likely) or could also be suffering some sort of temporary amnesia (shock, that old PTSD thing as after-affect, etc.), or, actually have some mental impairment that rendered them unable to know what they were doing when and how or why (utterly irrational, or, criminally insane, in other words).

Hasan is not suffering from any mental disorder, other than being a true believer in a religion. The tenets of Islam are so foreign and repulsive to our minds that we immediately think that any fervent Muslim is lunatic. Please, y’all stop helping his defense by calling him insane or crazy.

Pelayo on November 11, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Allow me to put it this way: to a sane mind, ANYone who would behave as per Muslim terrorists, or Jihadists, is, indeed, “mentally ill” in A WESTERN PERSPECTIVE.

I never suggested, however, that someone who is mentally ill is mentally incompetent. In Hasan’s case, and in the cases of the 9/11 Jihadists, for other examples of Muslims acting out on insane perspectives, they’re NOT LEGALLY EXCUSED or outside legal culpability for their obvious crimes.

The clinical and legal definitions of the term, “psychotic” (as “mentally ill”) are different.

Because, if not, then we could easily say that any and all who murder, rape, pillage, abuse, etc. are, indeed, “mentally ill” if not oftentimes actually pscyhotic specifically. But that does not mean that they are not aware of what they’re doing so are not beyond any criminal punishment for their crimes (behaviors).

Certain kinds of psychosis involve detailed planning, intense premeditation, of their crimes. As in Hasan’s case, able to plan, including intensely specific, regimented, highly organized events, but clearly “not well in the head”.

So labelling Hasan as psychotic in no way dismisses his judgement or process of judgement in any criminal, legal process.

You could say that traitorous US Islamic imams teachings are bearing fruit–or rather bearing fruits (and nuts).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2009/11/10/GA2009111000920.html

How could anybody NOT view that slideshow given at a MEDICAL CONFERENCE and realize this guy had SERIOUS FREAKING PROBLEMS?

Sorry, Speaker SanFranNan.

Right now, she’s on the deep you-know-what list with me.

what kind of care was he giving our soldiers?

There was a story in the NY Daily News about a mother who stuck by her son when he was hospitalized at Walter Reed with a traumatic brain injury.

She said Hasan struck her as “evil,” but she succeeded in getting the other doctors to shield her son from him.

It seems that the soldiers who fought back, or had someone to advocate for them, were able to avoid him, but you have to wonder what psychological damage he inflicted on the injured and defenseless. Damn those “supervisors” at Walter Reed, with their lame excuses for doing nothing.

It’s one thing for one individual to offer theological or ideological counseling to another, BUT, in Hasan’s case, specifically, he was FUNCTIONING (so it was as venue) as a medical doctor within the society of our U.S. military, counseling others on their psychology.

Hasan clearly could not distinguish these significant, important aspects to his work, and in that alone, suggests he’s mentally unstable and/or ethically corrupt.

But again, it’s difficult for me to believe that those who noticed these irregularities by Hasan are credible themselves, if but for the simple fact that they didn’t take immediate steps to get Hasan out of contact with military personnel in any capacity medically.

Lourdes on November 11, 2009 at 10:29 PM

I agree. The problem is, we have too many loony tunes calling themselves “liberals” when they’re not.

Obviously if a Christian or a conservative Jew had done this, I can assure you that SanFranNan would call hearings into this and tell the brass to call her Senator. I hope the families sue and make sure the chain of command is held culpable – as well as break down another firewall surrounding our intelligence agencies.

“One of the questions they pondered: Was Hasan psychotic?”

No. He was a Muslim and wanted to kill “The Enemy.”

davidk on November 11, 2009 at 6:04 PM

I think it’s both.

BUT the Left and the appeasing, enabling Obama Administration is certainly working feverishly to try to suppress the fact that aspects of Islam theology INSTRUCT, REQUIRE AND INSPIRE psychotic behaviors, such as shooting other soldiers if one is in the military, such as destroying “the infidels”.

THAT’s the essence of the problem. I’m sure there are SOME people who “believe” in Islam who are not psychotic, psychologically, but some aspects of Islam as a belief system do run to the conclusion that to act pscychotically is admirable. Thus, it attracts, nurtures and encourages those who are predisposed to pscyhosis.

Worse, Islam is NOT a race or ethnicity. The Left at this very hour is foaming about racial and ethnic complaints as to those identifying Muslim terrorism, while, that is in itself (that response by the Left) is psychotic.

Another angle on all this that’s been bugging the hell out of me is: what kind of care was he giving our soldiers?. I listened to a program today from KFI in LA that provided some insight into that question. Bryan Suits relayed some information he received from a soldier that returned from Iraq in 2005. Hasan counseled with the soldier, asking him what role he had played in Iraq. The soldier said he was infantry. Hasan replied that his wife should be a widow and his children should be orphans for what he had done. The soldier went to the Inspector General and filed a written report. Evidently, he’s not the only one to have made such complaints. Where are those reports????

dont taze me bro on November 11, 2009 at 9:23 PM

And there’s one soldier who acted appropriately — responsibly, sanely, correctly in all aspects of his job and as a member of a responsible society.

Where are the attempts by the “students and faculty” who observed Hasan in years past while Hasan acted “schizoid” and such?

What Hasan said to that soldier is utterly disgusting and nuts. I mean, truly, crazy.