White House declared war on Indymedia?

posted at 10:12 am on November 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Did the White House try to open up a two-front war on the media?   Before the Obama administration launched an all-out battle with conservative-leaning Fox News Channel, the Department of Justice demanded the records of all visitor information of left-leaning Indymedia.us in an remarkable subpoena of a media outlet, for one specific day.  No one can recall any precedent for such a wide-ranging probe into the records of a media website, but it may provide a challenge to a national-security law if the DoJ presses hard enough:

In a case that raises questions about online journalism and privacy rights, the U.S. Department of Justice sent a formal request to an independent news site ordering it to provide details of all reader visits on a certain day.

The grand jury subpoena also required the Philadelphia-based Indymedia.us Web site “not to disclose the existence of this request” unless authorized by the Justice Department, a gag order that presents an unusual quandary for any news organization.

Kristina Clair, a 34-year old Linux administrator living in Philadelphia who provides free server space for Indymedia.us, said she was shocked to receive the Justice Department’s subpoena. (The Independent Media Center is a left-of-center amalgamation of journalists and advocates that – according to their principles of unity and mission statement – work toward “promoting social and economic justice” and “social change.”)

The subpoena (PDF) from U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis demanded “all IP traffic to and from www.indymedia.us” on June 25, 2008. It instructed Clair to “include IP addresses, times, and any other identifying information,” including e-mail addresses, physical addresses, registered accounts, and Indymedia readers’ Social Security Numbers, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, and so on.

Whoa.  First, why would Indymedia have readers’ SSNs?  I’m assuming that this was a “kitchen sink” kind of request.  The rest of this seems pretty ominous, too.  Why would the federal government need the banking records of everyone who ever visited their website?  Why would they need the physical addresses of everyone who reads Indymedia?

CBS’ Declan McCullagh notes that this request had to have the personal approval of Attorney General Eric Holder, but that may or may not be true.  DoJ guidelines require the AG to personally approve subpoenas on media outlets and reporters because of the sensitive nature of such demands.  This subpoena got issued on January 23rd of this year, after the Obama administration took power, with Holder awaiting confirmation.  Holder assumed office on February 3rd, which means that the acting AG may have had to sign off on the subpoena instead — or that Holder may have filled that role while filling the role pending confirmation.

At any rate, when the Electronic Frontier Foundation challenged the subpoena, the DoJ withdrew it immediately — but then issued a very strange warning about the subpoena itself:

Morrison replied in a one-sentence letter saying the subpoena had been withdrawn. Around the same time, according to the EFF, the group had a series of discussions with assistant U.S. attorneys in Morrison’s office who threatened Clair with possible prosecution for obstruction of justice if she disclosed the existence of the already-withdrawn subpoena — claiming it “may endanger someone’s health” and would have a “human cost.”

Lucy Dalglish, the executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of The Press, said a gag order to a news organization wouldn’t stand up in court: “If you get a subpoena and you’re a journalist, they can’t gag you.”

Basically, that would be the “Shut up, he explained” strategy.  While some national-security subpoenas may need some reasonable silence, asking for the banking records of all visitors to a media outlet website hardly qualifies for that purpose.  And EFF knows how the DoJ should pursue that kind of subpoena, which is why they demanded that the DoJ pursue it under the specific act that would allow the DoJ to silence Indymedia.  The DoJ backed down, not wanting to give EFF the opening they want to challenge the constitutionality of that law.

Why concern ourselves over the plight of Indymedia, a left-leaning outfit looking for “social change”?  Obviously, we do the same kind of aggregation as Indymedia, which doesn’t offer much in the way of original content and reporting.  We don’t collect physical addresses or banking information, but we would assume that any government willing in its third day in office to demand that kind of information and compliance from Indymedia would have no reluctance to demand something similar of Hot Air.  Beyond self-interest, the First Amendment keeps government in check, and any attempt to limit its reach leaves the federal government with too much power over its citizens.

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Anyone know what Indymedia was posting around the time of January 23? This explains in part why a lot of the drive-bys came to the defense of FoxNews recently. They know if the White House is willing to target one news outlet, they’ll go after anyone they deem as a threat.

Doughboy on November 10, 2009 at 10:15 AM

Wake up, media. The “V” correlation is not only scary it’s true!

SouthernGent on November 10, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Another day, another enemy on the White House List!!!!

mobydutch on November 10, 2009 at 10:19 AM

So what was written and who was it written by on June 25th,2008 that Obama was so interested in silencing?

journeyintothewhirlwind on November 10, 2009 at 10:19 AM

So thats where all the resources that should have gone to vetting Obama’s appointees went

Daveyardbird on November 10, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Eric Holder & Barrak Obama: Graduates cum laude of the Hugo Chavez school of Journalism.

AW1 Tim on November 10, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Anyone know what Indymedia was posting around the time of January 23? Doughboy on November 10, 2009 at 10:15 AM

This is the date that they were interested in……

The subpoena (PDF) from U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis demanded “all IP traffic to and from http://www.indymedia. us” on June 25, 2008.

Patrick S on November 10, 2009 at 10:20 AM

I despise the people at Indymedia, but this is really creepy. I wonder what would have happened if Bush had done this?

Ok, I really don’t wonder at all.

RINO in Name Only on November 10, 2009 at 10:20 AM

White House already lost the War on Fox. Even Mr. Eyebrows, David Axelrod, has been on the network recently.

hawksruleva on November 10, 2009 at 10:20 AM

All your database are belong to us. Scary.

Scott P on November 10, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Liberal web site – liberal WH demanding contact info? Think fundraising.

hawksruleva on November 10, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Anyone know what Indymedia was posting around the time of January 23? This explains in part why a lot of the drive-bys came to the defense of FoxNews recently. They know if the White House is willing to target one news outlet, they’ll go after anyone they deem as a threat.

Doughboy on November 10, 2009 at 10:15 AM

The subpoena (PDF) from U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis demanded “all IP traffic to and from http://www.indymedia.us” on June 25, 2008, not January 23, 2009. Obama wasn’t even president in June of 2008.

Jimbo3 on November 10, 2009 at 10:23 AM

??? What???

Could Obama have been trying to obtain a potential donors list?

Sackett on November 10, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Around the same time, according to the EFF, the group had a series of discussions with assistant U.S. attorneys in Morrison’s office who threatened Clair with possible prosecution for obstruction of justice if she disclosed the existence of the already-withdrawn subpoena — claiming it “may endanger someone’s health” and would have a “human cost.”

What are they, the mafia?

CP on November 10, 2009 at 10:25 AM

All your database are belong to us.

Scott P on November 10, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Zero Wing was such a bad ass game

Doctor Zhivago on November 10, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Time for another White House beer summit It appears these folks like to drink.

Mr. Joe on November 10, 2009 at 10:25 AM

They are not looking for something specific to June 25th, 2008. Even libs are not that stupid.

bloggless on November 10, 2009 at 10:26 AM

How many like subpoenas have been issued that we don’t know about?

flyfisher on November 10, 2009 at 10:26 AM

One can only speculate that one of Obama’s major supporters had some kind of grudge against Indymedia and the “investigation” was a way to payback that supporter.

suburbanite on November 10, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Uh. oh. Hot Air’s next.

John the Libertarian on November 10, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Lucy Dalglish, the executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of The Press, said a gag order to a news organization wouldn’t stand up in court: “If you get a subpoena and you’re a journalist, they can’t gag you.”

How about “If you get a subpoena and you’re an American, they can’t gag you.” (absent some strong national security issue).

How would a website even have SSNs, physical addresses and banking records of everyone who visited the site? At most all they should have is the IP address, unless they are surreptitiously examining everyone’s harddrives. This is either a very badly written subpoena, done by someone utterly clueless about computers, or a massive hammer designed to silence anyone who isn’t part of the State controlled Media. Either way it is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Incompetence or malevolence. Why does that choice seem to pop up so frequently with this administration?

rbj on November 10, 2009 at 10:27 AM

I have no sympathy for Indymedia. They are the ones who publish the private information of GOP delegates and Protest Warrier members obtained by hackers.

Blake on November 10, 2009 at 10:27 AM

no records for june or 2k8 at all iat archive http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://Indymedia.us

trailortrash on November 10, 2009 at 10:27 AM

What are they, the mafia?

CP on November 10, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Asked and answered.

mr.blacksheep on November 10, 2009 at 10:27 AM

But thank God they can’t get the reading list of a terrorist at the public library!!

Bicyea on November 10, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Basically, that would be the “Shut up, he explained” strategy. While some national-security subpoenas may need some reasonable silence, asking for the banking records of all visitors to a media outlet website hardly qualifies for that purpose,

You know better than that, Ed. All of the information associated with a suspect is important, including their banking information.

Interestingly, we may never know whether the subpoena was re-issued with the correct Code citation, because Indymedia is required to be silent if that has occurred.

If the subpoena was never re-issued, that’s a completely different story. Since the data they demanded is static, there’s no possibility that they would lose some by reissuing the subpoena (unless IndyMedia were to destroy their records prior to re-issuance).

So that’s the big question. Was the tyro subpoena reissued?

By the way, isn’t the EFF the guys who outed Bush’s interception of foreign data (phone and Internet) as it transited through our border? They have absolutely zero respect from me, because their idea of individual rights is so expansive as to render any intelligence gathering by the United States moot. We frequently have trolls here who use EFF talking points (in spite of the fact that the EFF lost in court).

unclesmrgol on November 10, 2009 at 10:28 AM

What the hell were they looking for?

Sue on November 10, 2009 at 10:28 AM

sorry my post was butchered i see no june archives in the wayback machine for indymedia, it stops in april..
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

trailortrash on November 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Well they are asking for data from June 25, 2008, which is back during Bush’s administration. Thus, this could very well be part of an investigation that was opened up back then and then was ‘overlooked’ by Holder, et al. Now that attention has been drawn to the request, expect the entire thing to be dropped.

LibertarianRepublican on November 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM

The subpoena (PDF) from U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis demanded “all IP traffic to and from http://www.indymedia.us” on June 25, 2008, not January 23, 2009. Obama wasn’t even president in June of 2008.

Jimbo3 on November 10, 2009 at 10:23 AM

The subpoena was issued on January 23, 2009 when Obama WAS President. The information they wanted was on a date during Bush’s Presidency, but the request came from Obama’s White House.

Nice try though.

Doughboy on November 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM

The initial subpoena was scary enough but the follow up letter sounds like something right out of some third world dictators handbook.

Glad they stood up and I could care less which way they lean, when the Constitution was written and the Bill of Rights were codified it didn’t say they only applied to one viewpoint or another.

Eric Burns, who used to host the Fox program Fox Newswatch has written several books on journalism throughout the years in our country, and trust me the love/hate relationship between journalist and politicians has a very long and at times sordid history, but I don’t think anybody has tried to wage war on them the way this administration is.

Just A Grunt on November 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM

They are not looking for something specific to June 25th, 2008. Even libs are not that stupid.

bloggless on November 10, 2009 at 10:26 AM

–How do you know? There may have been a leak of some government economic news. The Fed Open Market Committee announced that it kept the Fed Funds rate at 2 percent that day. Those releases generally go out in the afternoon, if I remember correctly. Could someone have leaked that news on the indy site earlier in the day?

Jimbo3 on November 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM

So, messages here might end up somewhere in the Obama DOJ?
Hmmm.

HotAir readers:please don’t read what follows. It’s a private message.

Message to Obama administration: Blow me, you worthless, corrupt, lying, cowardly, craven traitors. After your bodies rot and fall from the lampposts, may you then burn in Hell for eternity.

Have a nice day :).

justltl

justltl on November 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM

“We won, so STFU and give us the database!”

Oh and AG Holder, if you’re reading this, eff you.

TugboatPhil on November 10, 2009 at 10:34 AM

I have a hard time believing that the Obama administration whipped this up in three days. This was cooking before he took office. My question then becomes–was this a creation of the Bush administration that the Obama Justice Department then ran with, or was it the brain child of someone working the transition for Obama, and then the sprung it on the 23rd?

There are more layers here, gang. We’re definitely not getting the whole story.

nukemhill on November 10, 2009 at 10:35 AM

It was prolly some kind of death threat against then-candidate Obama. Some people *really* wanted Hillary to win, and the Clintons are known to play dirty as well.

Neo on November 10, 2009 at 10:37 AM

How do you know? There may have been a leak of some government economic news. The Fed Open Market Committee announced that it kept the Fed Funds rate at 2 percent that day. Those releases generally go out in the afternoon, if I remember correctly. Could someone have leaked that news on the indy site earlier in the day?

Jimbo3 on November 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Well, obviously I don’t know, but in my opinion, this administration is dishonest and dishonest people would not want us to figure out what it is they are looking for. Something else here.

bloggless on November 10, 2009 at 10:37 AM

I love (to troll) indymedia…

http://www.ucimc.org/

ninjapirate on November 10, 2009 at 10:38 AM

“A great civilization cannot be conquered from without until it destroys itself from within”~~Ariel Durant

History just repeating itself and Obama is the tool being used to accomplish the deed.

volsense on November 10, 2009 at 10:39 AM

O/T: Happy Birthday, US Marine Corps!

Ooorah!

November 10, 1775 ~ November 10, 2009: 234 years

I proudly served from 1992 ~ 1996.

Mark Boabaca on November 10, 2009 at 10:40 AM

This is just the beginning. Talk radio is next.

Anyone else wants to say Glenn Beck is wrong about the radicals in this administration?

cubachi on November 10, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Did University of Chicago patient dumping really happen?

bloggless on November 10, 2009 at 10:41 AM

American Citizen’s Enemy: Terrorists
Obama’s Enemy: American Citizens

So Justice tried to get all kinds of personal information on visitors to a specific web site, and when their subpoena was challenged they completely backed off, said sorry our bad, we really don’t need ANY information.

Two words to descibe this administration:

Sneaky Bastards.

fogw on November 10, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Continued revelation of thug politics in the Obama administration. Throw this bum out!

Christian Conservative on November 10, 2009 at 10:43 AM

I proudly served from 1992 ~ 1996.

Mark Boabaca on November 10, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Thank you for your service!

cmsinaz on November 10, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Maybe there is some violence brewing there? AFter all, the Messiah has sort of let them down.

PattyJ on November 10, 2009 at 10:44 AM

The Constitution is as valued as toilet paper to this administration. Gypsies in the palace, indeed.

bloviator on November 10, 2009 at 10:44 AM

What are they, the mafia?

CP on November 10, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Asked and answered.

mr.blacksheep on November 10, 2009 at 10:27 AM

instead of being thrown under the bus, they will be sleeping with the fishes

cmsinaz on November 10, 2009 at 10:45 AM

Well they are asking for data from June 25, 2008, which is back during Bush’s administration. Thus, this could very well be part of an investigation that was opened up back then and then was ‘overlooked’ by Holder, et al. Now that attention has been drawn to the request, expect the entire thing to be dropped.

LibertarianRepublican on November 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Almost certainly whatever investigation this relates to was underway before the inauguration and, of course, the U.S. attorney who issued the subpoena was a Bush appointee.

May have been someone trying to take advantage of the transition disruption to get a controversial subpoena out. Not that Obama’s people should have signed off, but this was the product of a Bush Administration investigation.

Bleeds Blue on November 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM

This strategy is the complete opposite of the goals in attacking Fox News.

My theory is that after seeing the incredible rating success of Fox News after the White House attacks, they thought they’d pump up the alternative, progressive media.

Bruno_Mitchell on November 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Could Indymedia have had something about Osama Obama’s birth certificate or college transcripts, maybe?

MrScribbler on November 10, 2009 at 10:48 AM

So, perhaps a test to see if they could get away with it with a “left-leaning” outlet, before they moved on to the real enemies of state.

Is that a chill wind I feel blowing?

evergreen on November 10, 2009 at 10:48 AM

WOW. WOW.

Were they looking to:
1>fraudulently withdraw money?
2>Intimidate people who did not conform?
3>Get their online records and visiting history.

And what is this human cost BS? MAY ENDANGER SOMEONE’S HEATH? Isn’t this mafia tactics?

Coming from DOJ?

antisocial on November 10, 2009 at 10:49 AM

but it may provide a challenge to a national-security law

Since I never trust leftists I presume that this is their goal.

Branch Rickey on November 10, 2009 at 10:50 AM

If it can happen to them, it can happen to anyone.
I’ve seen this happen in the workplace before (public school).
It’s funny how people at work stand around & watch the admin go at someone without provocation, simply to maintain their stranglehold of power. They do nothing, thinking it will never happen to them bcs they are sheep, they do nothing worth being attacked for.
It is only when someone finally comes for them they bleat loudly like the sad little sheep they are.
NO media outlet, liberal or otherwise, deserves this kind of heavy-handed treatment by the White House.
This is a scary sign of more to come.

Badger40 on November 10, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Bleeds Blue Blames Bush on November 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM

FIFY

Branch Rickey on November 10, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Mark Boabaca on November 10, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Semper Fi!

Johan Klaus on November 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM

“Almost certainly …..”

Bleeds Blue on November 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Had to stop reading your BS right there.

What does “Almost certainly” mean Bozo?

fogw on November 10, 2009 at 10:53 AM

May have been someone trying to take advantage of the transition disruption to get a controversial subpoena out. Not that Obama’s people should have signed off, but this was the product of a Bush Administration investigation.

Bleeds Blue on November 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM

I knew someone would get around top blaming Bush.
You are so disgustingly predictable.
Get a clue troll-the current Admin OWNS this bcs if it was truly a Bush relict, they would have had the opportunity to make it go away & never let it see the light of day.
ALL politicians are corrupt- ESPECIALLY this current admin.
They are just bolder in their atrocities.

Badger40 on November 10, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Bleeds Blue on November 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Blame Bush.

Johan Klaus on November 10, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Semper Fi!

Johan Klaus on November 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Semper Fi, Johan.

Mark Boabaca on November 10, 2009 at 10:54 AM

What are they, the mafia?

CP on November 10, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Asked and answered.

mr.blacksheep on November 10, 2009 at 10:27 AM

The mafia has more class than these people.

VegasRick on November 10, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Bleeds Blue on November 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM

I think if that were true the cry babies at th WH would be letting loose every bit of info they had on this to the msm, there’s more here then is being let on. Stuff the current admin is trying to hide…

SHARPTOOTH on November 10, 2009 at 10:56 AM

I am not going to criticize the DOJ or the administration on this one. It’s obvious that someone broke a fairly serious law and they are trying to investigate it. You don’t get to commit crimes and then hide behind the First Amendment or a state shield law.

Blake on November 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Wouldn’t expect any less from an avid supporter of ACORN and the Black Panthers.

bluegrass on November 10, 2009 at 10:58 AM

If you get a subpoena and you’re a journalist, they can’t gag you.

Hasn’t this adminstration already set themselves up as the arbitrars of who is and isn’t a “journalist”?

MarkTheGreat on November 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Mark Filip was the Acting Attorney General on January 23, 2009. He was the Deputy Attorney General appointed by Bush on March 10, 2008, was an Assistant US Attorney in Chicago and clerked for Scalia.

I doubt this has anything to do with Obama.

Jimbo3 on November 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Bring Janet Reno back please.

bluegrass on November 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM

they are trying to investigate it. You don’t get to commit crimes and then hide behind the First Amendment or a state shield law.

Blake on November 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM

I agree.
But they need to do it LEGALLY. Not hide behind the fact that they are the govt & so what they say goes no matter what.
If the dopes in the DOJ can’t follow procedure, then they have no business investigating anything.

Badger40 on November 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Wow. Obama uniting Indymedia nd Hotair readers. Who’da thunk.

bitsy on November 10, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Bring Janet Reno back please.

bluegrass on November 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM

I’m sure there are some right wing groups somewhere in MT or something that she can siege & terrorize.

Badger40 on November 10, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Drink your kool-aid and go out and buy a Chevrolet

mmmmm mmmmm mmmmm

bluegrass on November 10, 2009 at 11:03 AM

So Ed. Are you saying that you have been subpoenaed?

watson007 on November 10, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Interesting. Sure would like to know the reasons behind all of this. Wonder if we’ll ever know?

scalleywag on November 10, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Why concern ourselves over the plight of Indymedia

They came for the communists, I wasn’t a communist so I said nothing.

You all know how the rest of it goes.

MarkTheGreat on November 10, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Was this some sort of “nose under tent” type of action designed to desensitize people to these types of actions?

The idea to do this a few times – to the left no less – so after a while it won’t be that SHOCKING to people any more.

Paving the way more for a LOT MORE of this in the future?

Fake8 on November 10, 2009 at 11:03 AM

aargh, quote, not strike.

MarkTheGreat on November 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM

I doubt this has anything to do with Obama.

Jimbo3 on November 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Ignorance is bliss.

SHARPTOOTH on November 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM

I doubt this has anything to do with Obama.

Jimbo3 on November 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM

As the POTUS, he is in charge & therefore responsible for whatever occurs under his watch, previous admin or not.
Same went with Bush.
I am a fan of neither.
A good leader takes responsibility for those decisions made by those under him.
BO must own this & take care of it, if he has the cajones to do it.

Badger40 on November 10, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Ask your self this question, ” are you better off today than you were 11 months ago? ” The overwhelming answer is this ……. HELL NO

bluegrass on November 10, 2009 at 11:05 AM

I doubt this has anything to do with Obama.
Jimbo3 on November 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM

How do you KNOW That??????

Juno77 on November 10, 2009 at 11:05 AM

I doubt this has anything to do with Obama.

Jimbo3 on November 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Since Obama was president on January 23 2009, I doubt that it had anything to do with him. After all, he was just the precedent.

Johan Klaus on November 10, 2009 at 11:06 AM

You all know how the rest of it goes.

MarkTheGreat on November 10, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Sure enough.
Sadly, there are many who do not know, or understand this piece of timeless wisdom.

Badger40 on November 10, 2009 at 11:06 AM

The subpoena (PDF) from U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis demanded “all IP traffic to and from http://www.indymedia.us” on June 25, 2008, not January 23, 2009. Obama wasn’t even president in June of 2008.

Jimbo3 on November 10, 2009 at 10:23 AM

He was president on Jan. 23rd, when the subpoena was issued.

MarkTheGreat on November 10, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Except for the stench, he’s clean and articulate…..

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

bluegrass on November 10, 2009 at 11:07 AM

“Almost certainly …..”

Bleeds Blue on November 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Had to stop reading your BS right there.

What does “Almost certainly” mean Bozo?

fogw on November 10, 2009 at 10:53 AM

I mean that I doubt an investigation went from 0 to subpoenas in three days, one of which was a day off. Also that any political appointees would have had less than 48 hours to move their stuff, find out where the bathrooms are and memorize their co-workers’ names — if they were even appointed yet — before going to court, presenting evidence and getting a judge to issue a subpoena. Possible if there was an imminent danger, but highly improbable in the real world.

I knew someone would get around top blaming Bush.
You are so disgustingly predictable.
Get a clue troll-the current Admin OWNS this bcs if it was truly a Bush relict, they would have had the opportunity to make it go away & never let it see the light of day.
ALL politicians are corrupt- ESPECIALLY this current admin.
They are just bolder in their atrocities.

Badger40 on November 10, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Dude. The subpoena was issued by a Bush appointee.

The investigation is probably still ongoing, hence the Administration’s silence.

Bleeds Blue on November 10, 2009 at 11:07 AM

How do you KNOW That??????

Juno77 on November 10, 2009 at 11:05 AM

It might be the antennae on the tinfoil hat.
It’s able to receive incoming alien messages from the Pegasus Galaxy.

Badger40 on November 10, 2009 at 11:08 AM

I doubt this has anything to do with Obama.

Jimbo3 on November 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Ignorance is bliss.

SHARPTOOTH on November 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM

–Holder wasn’t appointed yet and the Acting Attorney General was an Illinois judge/prosecutor appointed by Bush to the Deputy AG position. This relates to an investigation in the works before Obama got elected.

Jimbo3 on November 10, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Incompetence or malevolence. Why does that choice seem to pop up so frequently with this administration?

rbj on November 10, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Quote of the year.

–How do you know? There may have been a leak of some government economic news. The Fed Open Market Committee announced that it kept the Fed Funds rate at 2 percent that day. Those releases generally go out in the afternoon, if I remember correctly. Could someone have leaked that news on the indy site earlier in the day?

Jimbo3 on November 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Yeah, because that justifies doing something grossly unconstitutional.

I proudly served from 1992 ~ 1996.

Mark Boabaca on November 10, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Thank you and God bless you.

VanPalin on November 10, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Almost certainly whatever investigation this relates to was underway before the inauguration and, of course, the U.S. attorney who issued the subpoena was a Bush appointee.

May have been someone trying to take advantage of the transition disruption to get a controversial subpoena out. Not that Obama’s people should have signed off, but this was the product of a Bush Administration investigation.

Spinning Bleeds Blue on November 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Ed wrote:

This subpoena got issued on January 23rd of this year, after the Obama administration took power, with Holder awaiting confirmation.

“Certainly” we can ASS-sume a subpoena issued when Obama WAS president has to have Booooooosh involved. C’mon Spin-bleeder, certainly you can get some Cheney/Halliburton conspiracy in here too?

Rovin on November 10, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Mark Filip was the Acting Attorney General on January 23, 2009. He was the Deputy Attorney General appointed by Bush on March 10, 2008, was an Assistant US Attorney in Chicago and clerked for Scalia.

I doubt this has anything to do with Obama.

Jimbo3 on November 10, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Why would a subpoena be issued by an administration after it has left office? That doesn’t make sense. They have no more control over the investigation. I can see where the incoming administration could have a planned investigation in the works. Mr. Filip was working under the administration of Obama, not Bush on Jan 23.

CBP on November 10, 2009 at 11:08 AM

He was president on Jan. 23rd, when the subpoena was issued.

MarkTheGreat on November 10, 2009 at 11:07 AM

- – -A great slapdown to Jimbo3 Obqma lover and Chevrolet driver…

bluegrass on November 10, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Dude. The subpoena was issued by a Bush appointee.

The investigation is probably still ongoing, hence the Administration’s silence.

Bleeds Blue on November 10, 2009 at 11:07 AM

If that is true, it still changes nothing.
BO let it continue, which means he is also complicit in this.
They are all crooked & if BO is such an agent of Hope & Change & this is grossly wrong, then he should have stopped it.
As the Savior, I expect no less of him.

Badger40 on November 10, 2009 at 11:09 AM

they are trying to investigate it. You don’t get to commit crimes and then hide behind the First Amendment or a state shield law.

Blake on November 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Think NYT.

Johan Klaus on November 10, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Just out of Curiosity, what information does HA collect?
How long do they keep it?
What are they required to collect?

Juno77 on November 10, 2009 at 11:09 AM

What are they, the mafia?

CP on November 10, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Chicago.

MNHawk on November 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM

What does “Almost certainly” mean Bozo?

fogw on November 10, 2009 at 10:53 AM

It means he knows that he can’t prove it, but he wants everyone to think that he can.

MarkTheGreat on November 10, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Sweet Land of tyranny for thee I sing

bluegrass on November 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM

It’s obvious that someone broke a fairly serious law and they are trying to investigate it.

Blake on November 10, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Obvious is it? Base on what? Your utter faith that the DOJ would never do anything wrong?

MarkTheGreat on November 10, 2009 at 11:13 AM

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