Quotes of the day

posted at 10:34 pm on November 10, 2009 by Allahpundit

“The recent attack on the military base in Texas warns that if the occupation policy of the American rulers continues in this way, without them folding the carpets of occupation and transgression in Afghanistan and Iraq, it is natural then that incidents and attacks similar to Texas will spread to the Pentagon and other American military centres.

“According to media reports, the hero of the attack is a Muslim psychiatrist and major in the American army, of Palestinian origin.”

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“The conversation in the first few days after the massacre was well intentioned, but it suggested a willful flight from reality. It ignored the fact that the war narrative of the struggle against Islam is the central feature of American foreign policy. It ignored the fact that this narrative can be embraced by a self-radicalizing individual in the U.S. as much as by groups in Tehran, Gaza or Kandahar.

“It denied, before the evidence was in, the possibility of evil.”

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It’s time to move beyond Bush but Rush’s failure to call Bush to task for shamnesty, liberal like handouts, awarding the Geneva convention privileges to terrorists, not backing the Pendleton 8 or the Haditha victims of the Murtha slander demoralized us all.
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The Scozzafava travesty shows that this mindset is still alive and kicking. The Conservatives at least should make it known that we believe that there is a committed enemy based on their ideology which is grounded in an interpretation of Islam that a huge number of people subscribe to. It should not be excused just because it relates to a religion.
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The rebellion against Scozzafava was a step in the right direction. Now Conservative should be more assertive about defining who are true enemy is and not allow PTSD fairy tales to pass.

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:39 PM

Sound familiar!?

canopfor on November 10, 2009 at 11:38 PM

At least FDR wasn’t secretly rooting for Gerry.

Laura in Maryland on November 10, 2009 at 11:42 PM

Liam,
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You are on a ridiculous RINO autopilot. You know what, with your defense of an anti Conservative president, you must be a RINO.

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:43 PM

BTW, what exactly did Ronald Reagan do when our Marines were killed in Lebanon?

Terrye on November 10, 2009 at 11:30 PM

He exercised wisdom.

MB4 on November 10, 2009 at 11:38 PM

Yeah, he left. So, I guess that is wisdom. Members of his administration also had dealings with the people who funded that attack. I am not blaming Reagan for what those people did, I am simply pointing out that these jihadis have been killing Americans for a long time and presidents did not exactly respond by declaring war on the religion. So, just talking about PC today as if it were some new development ignores the decades preceding all this.

But Thomas Jefferson, he took a different route.

Terrye on November 10, 2009 at 11:43 PM

islamic extremist is a poor term

because it implies that what is being done under “islamic extremism” is something external to what islam actually is — something foreign

blatantblue on November 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM

I disagree.

Terrye on November 10, 2009 at 11:39 PM

Nothing at all extremist about Hasan. He was, by all indications, an orthodox muslin, not a member of some break-away muslim sect.

MB4 on November 10, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Jerricho68 on November 10, 2009 at 11:39 PM

I remember Geraldo on Fox on NYC many years ago, when Fox was local. Geraldo lost any chance he had as being worthwhile in the Al Capone vaults.

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 11:44 PM

It’s time to move beyond Bush but Rush’s failure to call Bush to task for shamnesty

I’m sorry – I had to stop reading right there because I was laughing hysterically. You must not listen to Rush … Rush is pretty much credited in many circles with single handedly killing shamnesty.

Try again.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2009 at 11:44 PM

Geraldo thinks

Jerricho68 on November 10, 2009 at 11:39 PM

Jerry Rivers feels

:>)

hillbillyjim on November 10, 2009 at 11:45 PM

Terrye,
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You are right about Bush’s initial statements. However, his release of the Bin Laden family members the next day and his demand of Israel’s making a deal with terrorist Palestinians gave the lie to his comments. He very quickly dropped the tenor of his statements and eventually abandoned the war on terror totally.

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:45 PM

Facts of Life:

Now you are dragging Rush into it? Absurd. I liked and respected George Bush and I don’t much care what you think of that. What the hell, who are you going to run? Ron Paul?

Terrye on November 10, 2009 at 11:46 PM

with your defense of an anti Conservative president, you must be a RINO.

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Then you don’t know me at all.

Try reading back about me, try looking me up all over this site. Then we’ll see which is the RINO.

I DARE you. Do it, go for it.

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Major Hasan was a very bad American but a very good muslim just trying to follow Islamic teachings.

2:10 Disbelievers are diseased.
2:99 Disbelievers are evil people.
2:104 For disbelievers is a painful doom.
2:171 Disbelievers are deaf, dumb, and blind.
3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference of believers.
3:73 Don’t believe anyone who is not a Muslim.
3:48 Don’t be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you.
4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.
4:63 Oppose those who refuse to follow Muhammad.
4:101The disbelievers are an open enemy to you.
4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends.
5:51 Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.
5:51 Jews and Christians are losers.
5:60 Allah turned unbelievers into apes and swine.
5:59 Jews and Christians are evil people.
9:5 Slay the disbelievers wherever you find them.

MB4 on November 10, 2009 at 11:47 PM

You are right about Bush’s initial statements. However, his release of the Bin Laden family members the next day and his demand of Israel’s making a deal with terrorist Palestinians gave the lie to his comments. He very quickly dropped the tenor of his statements and eventually abandoned the war on terror totally.

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:45 PM

Uhm … what would you have liked for him to have done with Bin Laden’s family? Maybe burn them at the stake?

And Bush NEVER demanded that Israel make deals with terrorists.

Where do you get your facts? Do you have some wormhole to an alternate universe?

HondaV65 on November 10, 2009 at 11:47 PM

HondaV65,
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If Rush killed shamnesty, how come he didn’t report on Bush’s desire to free the illegal convicted for the rape and murdered 2 girls who eventually got the death penalty?

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Nothing at all extremist about Hasan. He was, by all indications, an orthodox muslin, not a member of some break-away muslim sect.

MB4 on November 10, 2009 at 11:43 PM

I don’t think that is entirely true. There are millions of Muslims in America, but we do not see these kinds of attacks every day.

Terrye on November 10, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Now Conservative should be more assertive about defining who are true enemy is and not allow PTSD fairy tales to pass.

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:39 PM

Get your head out of your butt. Conservatives have been leading the charge in identifying the enemy.

Now you might be able to make a case against Republicans, but not Conservatives.

fogw on November 10, 2009 at 11:48 PM

f Rush killed shamnesty, how come he didn’t report on Bush’s desire to free the illegal convicted for the rape and murdered 2 girls who eventually got the death penalty?

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Moby.

That is such crap.

Terrye on November 10, 2009 at 11:49 PM

Peters-Palin/ Palin-Peters 2012!

Without some god-d*mned realism in power we’re heading for a meatgrinder.

Again and again and again…

profitsbeard on November 10, 2009 at 11:50 PM

I like what Krauthammer said…I’m paraphrasing…People are worried about a backlash against muslims, but there has been none. The only backlash has come from muslims themselves towards Americans.

SouthernGent on November 10, 2009 at 10:48 PM

Exactly!!

And we may be about to find out just how vast and far reaching this “backlash” by the jihadist Hasan went:

(via instapundit)

Senior Official: More Hasan Ties to People Under Investigation by FBI
Alleged Shooter Had “Unexplained Connections” to Others
Besides Jihadist Cleric Awlaki
By MARTHA RADDATZ, BRIAN ROSS, MARY-ROSE ABRAHAM, and REHAB EL-BURI
Nov. 10, 2009

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=9048590

A senior government official tells ABC News that investigators have found that alleged Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan had “more unexplained connections to people being tracked by the FBI” than just radical cleric Anwar al Awlaki. The official declined to name the individuals but Congressional sources said their names and countries of origin were likely to emerge soon.

I think it is more than obvious from the bold moves by the jihadist happening around the world and on our homeland that they see Obama as weak and are escalating their efforts.

Chicken hawk Obama better get on a war footing quick or the jihadist are going to run him over at the cost of American lives.

Baxter Greene on November 10, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Good question from Brainshavings.com:

A simple question for progressives (#13): If jihadist ideology is supposedly a perversion of true Islam, how can it be “Islamophobic” to identify and remove jihadists from our military?

Mark Boabaca on November 10, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Yeah, he left.
Terrye on November 10, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Wait. Reagan didn’t pull the troops out of Lebanon. Their funding was cut off by Congress, if I remember correctly. Congress ordered our retreat, not Reagan.

joejm65 on November 10, 2009 at 11:51 PM

Its time we move beyond all the “pundits” and take responsibility for preserving the country we all love. Remember the minutemen whom risked all to have a voice, a stake and pursue a way of life, its time for street fighting man!

dmann on November 10, 2009 at 11:51 PM

You are right about Bush’s initial statements. However, his release of the Bin Laden family members the next day and his demand of Israel’s making a deal with terrorist Palestinians gave the lie to his comments. He very quickly dropped the tenor of his statements and eventually abandoned the war on terror totally.

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:45 PM

Uhm … what would you have liked for him to have done with Bin Laden’s family? Maybe burn them at the stake?

And Bush NEVER demanded that Israel make deals with terrorists.

Where do you get your facts? Do you have some wormhole to an alternate universe?

HondaV65 on November 10, 2009 at 11:47 PM

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You can’t be serious about Bin Laden’s family. They were the only flight allowed after 9/11. They should have been held for intensive questioning for at least a few months.
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Bush was the first to declare that Israel provide for a Palestinian state and that they make peace with active terrorists. This is equivalent to demanding that we cede California to Al Qaeda and everything will be ok.
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You need to brush up on your facts a bit here.

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:51 PM

If Rush killed shamnesty, how come he didn’t report on Bush’s desire to free the illegal convicted for the rape and murdered 2 girls who eventually got the death penalty?

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Why are you dancing from issue to the next? I just proved you wrong on Rush and Shamnesty – and you shift to someone in prison?

WTF Dude.

Shamnesty was the Congressional effort led by McCain and Bush (and some Democrats) to give amnesty to illegal aliens.

Rush fought that tooth and nail. It was the major topic of his shows for months. At one point – Rush himself was pronounced IRRELEVANT by the MSM because it appeared that Shamnesty would pass even in spite of Rush’s continuous rants.

Then … it didn’t pass – and every one STFU.

That’s the fact dude.

Stop getting your news about Rush from DKos – they aren’t a good source.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2009 at 11:52 PM

I don’t think that is entirely true. There are millions of Muslims in America, but we do not see these kinds of attacks every day.

Terrye on November 10, 2009 at 11:48 PM

True, most muslims don’t kill infidels, but how many condemn such? I mean mass condemnation and not a here and there perfunctory “condemnation”.

If the do they are apostates and condemned by Allah himself.

MB4 on November 10, 2009 at 11:52 PM

Now you might be able to make a case against Republicans, but not Conservatives.

fogw on November 10, 2009 at 11:48 PM

I don’t even think he can make that case against Republicans. The truth is he is the kind of guy who picks someone like Dede Scozzafava and acts as if she is the rule rather than the exception. He will cherry pick, take things out of context, try to create division and counsel his supposed comrades to run unelectable people in the name of principle.

Bush is not a perfect man, but he did not invent PC, or illegal immigration, or Islamic extremism, or liberalism for that matter.

and the Republicans for all their faults are far more likely to stand firm on national security than the Democrats.

Terrye on November 10, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Liberals are a standing OJ jury for Jihadists.

“We don’t know nothin’ about no Jihad!”

Really Right on November 10, 2009 at 11:53 PM

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f Rush killed shamnesty, how come he didn’t report on Bush’s desire to free the illegal convicted for the rape and murdered 2 girls who eventually got the death penalty?
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FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:47 PM
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Moby.
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That is such crap.
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Terrye on November 10, 2009 at 11:49 PM

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Is it true or not? You may not like it, but those are the facts.

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:54 PM

True, most muslims don’t kill infidels, but how many condemn such? I mean mass condemnation and not a here and there perfunctory “condemnation”.

If the do they are apostates and condemned by Allah himself.

MB4 on November 10, 2009 at 11:52 PM

To be honest, I have been surprised that in recent days I have heard more condemnation than I expected. The truth is they may be more afraid of the nonMuslims right now, than the Muslims. If you know what I mean.

Terrye on November 10, 2009 at 11:54 PM

You can’t be serious about Bin Laden’s family. They were the only flight allowed after 9/11. They should have been held for intensive questioning for at least a few months.

What’s your law enforcement background? How can you make this statement? How do you know that the CIA and FBI didn’t question the family? Does it take MONTHS to question someone? Hadn’t Osama Bin Laden already been implicated in other attacks before 911? Perhaps the family was questioned about those and discovered to be estranged from OBL? Perhaps the CIA had been following the family for months and found that the family had no significant contact with OBL?

What charge would you have held these family members for MONTHS on??? What part of the Constitution would have looked to for that authority?

Bush was the first to declare that Israel provide for a Palestinian state and that they make peace with active terrorists. This is equivalent to demanding that we cede California to Al Qaeda and everything will be ok.
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You need to brush up on your facts a bit here.

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:51 PM

Source please? Bush sought a solution for the Palestinians like virtually every President in the last 40 years has.

Hyperbole.

HondaV65 on November 10, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Shamnesty was the Congressional effort led by McCain and Bush (and some Democrats) to give amnesty to illegal aliens.

Actually, the plan was not straight up amnesty, it was fines and back taxes and the back of the line etc, but I understand that to some people that is a distinction without a difference. But I do think that if Obama can get away with it, we will see straight up honest to God amnesty with him. No ifs ands or buts about it.

Terrye on November 10, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Terrye,
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Don’t impugn motives to me because you don’t like the truth.
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The Republicans are in general better than the Dems but the true drive and fire has to come from the Conservatives. They have to lead the charge against PC because the RINOs and moderates won’t.

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:57 PM

At least FDR wasn’t secretly rooting for Gerry.

Laura in Maryland on November 10, 2009 at 11:42 PM

Laura in Maryland: You is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad girl,hehe:)

canopfor on November 10, 2009 at 11:58 PM

I don’t think that is entirely true. There are millions of Muslims in America, but we do not see these kinds of attacks every day.

Terrye on November 10, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Yet we don’t see condemnation of these attacks. Their silence speaks volumes. If it were Methodists, Lutherans, or Catholics spewing this crud and taking lives, we wouldn’t stand by and let it happen.

Think of the burqa brigades in the south after 9/11. Christian women made a point of not just condemning bigotry, but extending help and friendship to muslim women who might have been fearful of reprisals in the early days after the attacks. Americans were angry, but weren’t about to tolerate attacks against the innocent.

There is a lot to be said for the you’re for us or agin’ us mentality. We should really think about where we stand.

Laura in Maryland on November 10, 2009 at 11:58 PM

Based on the tone of Dear Leader’s speech today, he sees this as a political problem as opposed to any warm feeling he has for the military.

d1carter on November 10, 2009 at 11:59 PM

I don’t think that is entirely true. There are millions of Muslims in America, but we do not see these kinds of attacks every day.

Terrye on November 10, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Not ready to die for Allah..just yet..

See more and more ready to kill their daughters though….

But hey…It’s not like there’s some kink of common thread here or anything…

BigWyo on November 10, 2009 at 11:59 PM

You can’t be serious about Bin Laden’s family. They were the only flight allowed after 9/11. They should have been held for intensive questioning for at least a few months.

That is not true, they were not the only family flying out and the man who did give them permission to leave days after was Richard Clark. Remember him?

Terrye on November 10, 2009 at 11:59 PM

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:57 PM

You get a clue about me yet, you accusing libratf*ck?

You’re as bad as your lib friend simplesimon.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Bush was the first to declare that Israel provide for a Palestinian state and that they make peace with active terrorists. This is equivalent to demanding that we cede California to Al Qaeda and everything will be ok.
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You need to brush up on your facts a bit here.

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:51 PM

Speaking of facts, there is not one in there.

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Crank it pc losers!

dmann on November 11, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Is it true or not? You may not like it, but those are the facts.

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:54 PM

FactsoLife: Scozzafava and Rush on a Terrorist thread!

Interesting how you connect the dots!!

Bit late now,don`t ya think!

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:01 AM

Laura:

There were more condemnations of the shooting at Fort Hood than there was of 9/11. At least it seems that way. I think a lot of those people are intimated. That does not make it okay of course, but my larger point is that they are not all shooting people.

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:02 AM

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Nah, F you. You’re time is up. You’re just another lib who accuses without basis, then goes off on another subject.

Gonna call my mom a troll now like one of you libs friends did the other day?

Par for your course. It’s been done, you’re friend simple simon is fine with that and, since you’re a lib, you are too.

Typical of your breed.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:03 AM

HondaV65,
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Now you’re really scraping bottom for your viewpoint. If Bin Laden’s relatives had some info or connection with him, both of which were verified later, the mere suspicion of such at the time of wartime danger to the United States would not require any legalistic maneuverings. It’s ridiculous to think that adequate questioning of these people could have been done in a day. There was a serious breakdown here and all the members of the administration pointed fingers at each other about it.
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Bush was the first to officially declare the need for a Palestinian state. Even if he weren’t the first, it was a direct contradiction to his definition of the war on terror since the Palestinians and their activities fell squarely in the province of the axis of evil.
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You can do better than this.

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:04 AM

Crank it pc losers!

dmann on November 11, 2009 at 12:00 AM

dmann: Check this out,the FLOTUS on the Antique Roadshow!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwSyQUSh_ZA

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:04 AM

See more and more ready to kill their daughters though….

But hey…It’s not like there’s some kink of common thread here or anything…

BigWyo on November 10, 2009 at 11:59 PM

I am not justifying any acts of violence, I am just saying that not all Muslim are homicidal. I should think that would be obvious. That has nothing to do with the jihadis who are bound and determined to do as much damage as they can to as many people as possible.

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:05 AM

Terrye,
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At this point you are just denying without any proof. Save your breath.

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:06 AM

Liam
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You’re not saying anything of value and you’re obviously wrong about me being a Rino so I won’t respond to your bleatings anymore.

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Facts is clearly just another lib who comes here to argue, seeking only to muck up our place.

Maybe ignore him/her? Your choice. I’m done with the insults against us by people like that.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Now you’re really scraping bottom for your viewpoint. If Bin Laden’s relatives had some info or connection with him, both of which were verified later, the mere suspicion of such at the time of wartime danger to the United States would not require any legalistic maneuverings. It’s ridiculous to think that adequate questioning of these people could have been done in a day. There was a serious breakdown here and all the members of the administration pointed fingers at each other about it.
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Facts of life:

You are just making stuff up. The Bin Laden family was questioned by Richard Clark and they did not leave the next day anyway. You have just picked this nonsense up somewhere on the internet and are repeating it as if it were true. That is as ridiculous as your comments about Israel.

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:07 AM

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Run, run, run, as you libs do all so well.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:08 AM

Facts of life:

You are just making stuff up. The Bin Laden family was questioned by Richard Clark and they did not leave the next day anyway. You have just picked this nonsense up somewhere on the internet and are repeating it as if it were true. That is as ridiculous as your comments about Israel.

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Further evidence Facts is just another lib, another of their kind who come here with their hate to mess up our evening.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:10 AM

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At this point you are just denying without any proof. Save your breath.

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:06 AM

Proof? Why not ask me for proof that the world is round? The remarks about Bush demanding Israel provide for the Pals or that Israel make peace with terrorists is a lie on its face. Everyone knows that is not true. Hell, I can remember how the Europeans were upset that Bush refused to even meet with or speak to Arafat.

And the stuff about the Bin Ladens is right out of the Truther mythology. It has been debunked by smarter people than you a hundred times. But hateful people like to believe that which feeds their hate…so go ahead and nurse your strange little conspiracy theories.

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:11 AM

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:11 AM

You’re trying to reason with a lib, and they’re incapable of that. They want only to win, not to change minds. They seek only to cause harm

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Based on the tone of Dear Leader’s speech today, he sees this as a political problem as opposed to any warm feeling he has for the military.

d1carter on November 10, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Yes.

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Some facts,
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Bin Laden’s family flown out and government officials say they weren’t interrogated adequately
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http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/200806412758358
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Karen Hughes statement.
As Undersecretary of State Karen Hughes traveled through the Middle East last week seeking to burnish the U.S. image, one of her key talking points was that President Bush is the first president to call for a Palestinian state.

“The person I work for, President Bush, is the first president in the history of America to say we believe the Palestinians should have a state, living side by side in peace with Israel,” Hughes told al-Jazeera satellite television. She repeated the statement two more times in the five-minute interview.

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Liam:

I know and it is time for bed anyway. Good night.

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:14 AM

All peace to you and those who love you.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Bin Laden’s family flown out and government officials say they weren’t interrogated adequately

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Oh well, golly gee if they say they were not interrogated adequately then it must be true..\

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Muslims are sooooooooooo peaceful,
remember this,

From OPFOR site,http://op-for.com/

Ercepts from the book,New Dawn.
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Operation Phantom Fury
The Beginning of the End of al Qaeda in Iraq

At sunset on Sunday, November 7, 2004, the soldiers, sailors and Marines of Task Force Wolfpack raced north in their Light Armored Vehicles, tanks and trucks to secure the “Shark’s Fin,” a large peninsula west of the insurgent stronghold in the ancient Iraqi blue-collar city of Fallujah. Two bridges spanned the Euphrates River, connecting the Shark’s Fin with downtown. An angry mob had strung up the bodies of two Blackwater contractors on the older footbridge in spring of 2004. It is hard to believe that it has been five years since the beginning of the largest, and most important, battle of Operation Iraqi Freedom. As the Wolfpack was moving to secure the Fallujah Hospital and the western approach to the Euphrates River bridges, a massive military force was assembling, north of the city. The Wolfpack’s attack was a battalion-sized diversion
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The peaceful muslims always string up westerners on
bridges,actually,Somolian Muslims have a different
Muslim custom,like dragging US servicemen through
the streets!!!!

Please,save me all the touchy,feely,do-gooder bleeding heart
Liberal can`t we compromise and get along pc crap!!!!

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Bush was the first to officially declare the need for a Palestinian state. Even if he weren’t the first, it was a direct contradiction to his definition of the war on terror since the Palestinians and their activities fell squarely in the province of the axis of evil.
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You can do better than this.

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:04 AM

Better than this? Dude you are being proven wrong on every point and you just shift your argument to something else.

First of all … BUSH WAS NOT THE FIRST TO CALL FOR A PALESTINIAN STATE.

For crying out loud dude – the United Nations Resolution on the partition of Palestine, which passed in 1947 called for two states … one Jewish and one Arab.

Please!

HondaV65 on November 11, 2009 at 12:16 AM

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:04 AM

Thank you….if Michelle looked like that I’d be her #1 fan!

dmann on November 11, 2009 at 12:17 AM

Oops,linky thingy didn`t weork,try again!!

http://op-for.com/

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:17 AM

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Hey, we got your number! It’s all good! We know what you believe and will act accordingly.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:17 AM

Bin Laden’s family flown out and government officials say they weren’t interrogated adequately

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Oh well, golly gee if they say they were not interrogated adequately then it must be true..\

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:16 AM

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Keep ignoring the facts and life will be rosy. Clarke apparently disagrees with you.

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:18 AM

Dude you are being proven wrong on every point and you just shift your argument to something else.

HondaV65 on November 11, 2009 at 12:16 AM

That’s a typical lib tactic, one of several. Please don’t get sucked in.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:19 AM

I know I said I was going to bed, but I have to get the last word:

You are right about Bush’s initial statements. However, his release of the Bin Laden family members the next day and his demand of Israel’s making a deal with terrorist Palestinians gave the lie to his comments. He very quickly dropped the tenor of his statements and eventually abandoned the war on terror totally.

FactsofLife on November 10, 2009 at 11:45 PM

That quote I provided was from 2008, Bush made those comments 7 years after 9/11. And like I said the crap about Israel and the Bin Laden family is just that, crap.

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:19 AM

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:04 AM
Thank you….if Michelle looked like that I’d be her #1 fan!

dmann on November 11, 2009 at 12:17 AM

dmann: Came across it last night,checking out Barrett Jack
son auctions and Antigue Roadshow,nearly LMAO,haha:)

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Keep ignoring the facts and life will be rosy. Clarke apparently disagrees with you.

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:18 AM

I heard Clark talking about this on an interview and he said that he gave the ok for them to leave and it was more than a day later. So go call him a liar, not me.

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:20 AM

HondaV65,
.
I guess you disagree with Karen Hughes. That’s your perogative. I’ll take her word for it.

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Better than this? Dude you are being proven wrong on every point and you just shift your argument to something else.

HondaV65 on November 11, 2009 at 12:16 AM

HondaV65: Like dragging Rush and Scozzafava into it!!UGH!:)

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:21 AM

Lt Col Peters calls out liberal democrat icon!!!

In the second half BOR and the Col were talking about how the Army missed this guy and did not follow up on his antics. The Col commented how Hasan tried to contact al quaida 29 times, and imagine if during the cold war some one had tried to contact Russian leaders that often…..

ding ding ding Teddy Kennedy rings a bell.

jbinnout on November 11, 2009 at 12:21 AM

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Why aren’t you going back to Kos, where you can be of your own ilk?

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:22 AM

For crying out loud dude – the United Nations Resolution on the partition of Palestine, which passed in 1947 called for two states … one Jewish and one Arab.

Please!

HondaV65 on November 11, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Or you can go all the way back to 1918 as far as that is concerned. That is when the land was set aside.

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:22 AM

Terrye,
.
Clarke said he let them go because the FBI told him to. He felt that they were not adequately questioned and in that short time it’s obvious that that was the case.

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:22 AM

HondaV65,
.
Now you’re really scraping bottom for your viewpoint. If Bin Laden’s relatives had some info or connection with him, both of which were verified later, the mere suspicion of such at the time of wartime danger to the United States would not require any legalistic maneuverings. It’s ridiculous to think that adequate questioning of these people could have been done in a day. There was a serious breakdown here and all the members of the administration pointed fingers at each other about it.

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:04 AM

The “Facts” you talk about so much don’t back up your rhetoric:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/


Some Saudis left the U.S. by charter flight on September 14, a day when commercial flights had resumed, but when ordinary charter planes were still grounded. When did the bin Ladens actually leave? Not until the next week, as the the 9/11 Commission staff report explains:


 Fearing reprisals against Saudi nationals, the Saudi government asked for help in getting some of its citizens out of the country….we have found that the request came to the attention of Richard Clarke and that each of the flights we have studied was investigated by the FBI and dealt with in a professional manner prior to its departure.
   No commercial planes, including chartered flights, were permitted to fly into, out of, or within the United States until September 13, 2001. After the airspace reopened, six chartered flights with 142 people, mostly Saudi Arabian nationals, departed from the United States between September 14 and 24. One flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United States on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama Bin Ladin. We have found no credible evidence that any chartered flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening of national airspace.
   The Saudi flights were screened by law enforcement officials, primarily the FBI, to ensure that people on these flights did not pose a threat to national security, and that nobody of interest to the FBI with regard to the 9/11 investigation was allowed to leave the country. Thirty of the 142 people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including 22 of the 26 people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the Bin Ladin flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers stated that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything about terrorist activity.
   The FBI checked a variety of databases for information on the Bin Ladin flight passengers and searched the aircraft. It is unclear whether the TIPOFF terrorist watchlist was checked. At our request, the Terrorist Screening Center has rechecked the names of individuals on the flight manifests of these six Saudi flights against the current TIPOFF watchlist. There are no matches.
   The FBI has concluded that nobody was allowed to depart on these six flights who the FBI wanted to interview in connection with the 9/11 attacks, or who the FBI later concluded had any involvement in those attacks. To date, we have uncovered no evidence to contradict this conclusion.
The final Commission Report confirms that Clarke was the highest-ranking official who made the decision to let the Saudis go, and that Clarke’s decision had no adverse effect on September 11 investigations. See pages 328-29 of the Report.

Bush has killed more jihadist than any leader before him or in another country.

He took out Saddam and liberated Iraq.(killing one of the most lethal terrorist ever in Al-Zarqawi who was responsible for thousands of deaths)

He took out al-qaeda and the Taliban supported government in Afghanistan.

Made sweeping changes in how we dealt with terrorism on the homefront keeping America safe from attacks after 9/11.

To say President Bush was weak on dealing with radical muslims and terrorist in General shows a major ignorance of the facts in the War on terror.

Baxter Greene on November 11, 2009 at 12:23 AM

I guess you disagree with Karen Hughes. That’s your perogative. I’ll take her word for it.

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Okay, I get it. This is a joke. You are bored.

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:23 AM

There is one good Muslim that I know of. He died three hours ago.

MaiDee on November 11, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Keep ignoring the facts and life will be rosy. Clarke apparently disagrees with you.

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:18 AM

You’re the one ignoring facts – you seem to have no clue about the history of the conflict in Israel.

In 1947, the UN passed a resolution to give the Palestinians their own state. Bush didn’t “invent” this concept – it has been a concept – literally – from the beginning of the UN’s efforts to resolve the conflicts there.

In fact – I don’t know anyone who is against a Palestinian state as long as it’s a responsible state and leaves Israel alone. The truth is – the conflict between the Israeli’s and the Palestinians is a major source of the octane fueling the Islamo-Fascist movement in the middle east. How can you blame Bush for attempting to extinguish that fire??

My God – am I actually arguing with a Liberal who’s saying that Bush was too “soft shoe” on terror? Man – you guys are good – because for eight years all I heard from you guys was how Bush was too “Cowboy” and refused to feel the Muslim pain.

Make up your minds dude.

HondaV65 on November 11, 2009 at 12:25 AM

Laura:

There were more condemnations of the shooting at Fort Hood than there was of 9/11. At least it seems that way. I think a lot of those people are intimated. That does not make it okay of course, but my larger point is that they are not all shooting people.

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:02 AM

…and most German citizens didn’t directly participate in the Holocaust, but we hold them accountable for doing nothing to stop it.

The so-called peaceful Muslims have it within their means to speak out, to withhold funds, to report suspicious activity. Instead, they block any and all efforts to root out the evil in their midst.

Remember the lawsuits against ordinary citizens reporting suspicious activity…or screams of racism when flying imams act nutty on an airplane? They are just a responsible for terrorism as the perpetrators.

And CAIRs words after the attack were just words.

Laura in Maryland on November 11, 2009 at 12:25 AM

There is a lot to be said for the you’re for us or agin’ us mentality. We should really think about where we stand.

Laura in Maryland on November 10, 2009 at 11:58 PM

Laura in Maryland: Amen on that LiM:)

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:25 AM

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:23 AM

Go to bed like you need, friend!

Libs seek to browbeat, needing a win. Reasoning with a lib is like trying to douse a fire with gasoline.

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:26 AM

Baxter:

When delusional people are faced with evidence threatening their version of events, they tend to reject it out of hand or they call it a lie.

Which will Facts do I wonder?

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:26 AM

Liam:

I am going.

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:27 AM

Terrye,
.
Clarke said he let them go because the FBI told him to. He felt that they were not adequately questioned and in that short time it’s obvious that that was the case.

FactsofLife on November 11, 2009 at 12:22 AM

Clark had authority, not the FBI:

The final Commission Report confirms that Clarke was the highest-ranking official who made the decision to let the Saudis go, and that Clarke’s decision had no adverse effect on September 11 investigations. See pages 328-29 of the Report.

Your liberal ignorance and spin is pathetic.

Baxter Greene on November 11, 2009 at 12:27 AM

Baxter:

When delusional people are faced with evidence threatening their version of events, they tend to reject it out of hand or they call it a lie.

Which will Facts do I wonder?

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:26 AM

What all liberals do..spin,lie,and deny.

Baxter Greene on November 11, 2009 at 12:28 AM

Or you can go all the way back to 1918 as far as that is concerned. That is when the land was set aside.

Terrye on November 11, 2009 at 12:22 AM

Produce the source that called for two states in 1917.

And if you can – I’ll thank you for further proving my point to you that Bush didn’t “invent” the concept of a Palestinian State.

Produce the source.

HondaV65 on November 11, 2009 at 12:29 AM

Btw,if my info is accurate,Team Hopey bragged of
Transparency,and yet,every bit of data and info,
of Hasans murder spree at Fort Hood,is delibertly
being with held,and is under tight wraps,by order
of Obama!!

Sumpin to hide,damaging to his Presidentcy perhaps!!!!!!

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:29 AM

What is interesting is the growing number of libs who pass themselves off as conservatives. Isn’t it shameful of them to not be willing to stand up to what they believe?

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:30 AM

Good night Terrye. Pleasant dreams! I’ll leave you alone and Baxter has tagged in against the trolls.

Laura in Maryland on November 11, 2009 at 12:31 AM

What all liberals do..spin,lie,and deny.

Baxter Greene on November 11, 2009 at 12:28 AM

Baxter Greene: Liberals forever spinning,lying and denying!!

Excellent phrase!!:)

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:31 AM

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:31 AM

Our colleague is a poet
Who didn’t even know it!

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:32 AM

Say what you want but Savage is right… Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Dire Straits on November 11, 2009 at 12:33 AM

My God – am I actually arguing with a Liberal who’s saying that Bush was too “soft shoe” on terror? Man – you guys are good – because for eight years all I heard from you guys was how Bush was too “Cowboy” and refused to feel the Muslim pain.

Make up your minds dude.

HondaV65 on November 11, 2009 at 12:25 AM

Ahh…you forgot:

War Criminal

Hitler

War Monger

War for Haliburton

War for Oil

Murderer that lied America into war

Nazi……..

…..all because he was “to weak on the terrorist”.

What a moron.

Baxter Greene on November 11, 2009 at 12:33 AM

What is interesting is the growing number of libs who pass themselves off as conservatives. Isn’t it shameful of them to not be willing to stand up to what they believe?

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:30 AM

Well … it’s a “seminar tactic” that a lot of Huffpo and Dkos guys attempt. They come in here with conservative sounding names and then try to cause division by pretending to be conservative but then jabbing criticism or frustration at certain conservatives or issues.

Example: “When Sarah Palin has control of the party we’ll burn all Gays at the stake”

It’s really meant to shift dirt on Palin – by making you hate one of her supporters – even though the dude writing it is anything BUT a Palin supporter.

It’s similar to the concept “there are no womenz on the innernets”. :)

HondaV65 on November 11, 2009 at 12:34 AM

What is interesting is the growing number of libs who pass themselves off as conservatives. Isn’t it shameful of them to not be willing to stand up to what they believe?

Liam on November 11, 2009 at 12:30 AM

Liam: No sh*t!!

Can you imagine ever seeing a Conservative at a seminar,
on how to:

talking points,
re-direction of the narrative
name calling when all else fails
and etc!!:)

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:35 AM

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:19 AM

What ya lookin to buy? I’d love to find my 1st real ride- 70′ GTO 400 auto!

dmann on November 11, 2009 at 12:35 AM

Baxter Greene: Liberals forever spinning,lying and denying!!

Excellent phrase!!:)

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:31 AM

I’ll be dam#ed…..
…perfect chance to use your line and I dropped the ball.

Please give me another chance.

Baxter Greene on November 11, 2009 at 12:35 AM

What a moron.

Baxter Greene on November 11, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Baxter Greene: I think some Liberals are either snorting
KOOL_AID cyrstals,

or,

have found a way to free-base their KOOL-AID!
=:)

canopfor on November 11, 2009 at 12:37 AM

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