Korean navies exchange fire

posted at 10:55 am on November 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The North Korean navy took the worst of an exchange of fire in the disputed waters of the Yellow Sea, just off of Incheon.  South Korea sent one of Pyongyang’s ships back north in flames, while both sides blamed the other for the first naval battle in seven years between the two nations:

A badly damaged North Korean patrol ship retreated in flames Tuesday after a skirmish with a South Korean naval vessel along their disputed western coast, the first such clash in seven years, South Korean officials said.

There were no South Korean casualties, the country’s Joint Chiefs of Staff said in a statement, and it was not immediately clear if there were any casualties on the North Korean side. Each side blamed the other for violating the sea border.

The exchange of fire occurred as U.S. officials said President Barack Obama has decided to send a special envoy to Pyongyang for rare direct talks on the communist country’s nuclear weapons program. No date has been set but it would be the first one-on-one talks since Obama took office in January. Obama is due in Seoul next week.

“It’s a regrettable incident,” South Korean Commodore Lee Ki-sik told reporters in Seoul. “We are sternly protesting to North Korea and urging it to prevent the recurrence of similar incidents.”

North Korea’s military issued a statement blaming South Korea for the “grave armed provocation,” saying its ships crossed into North Korean territory.

South Korea reports it differently.  They claim that the North’s ships crossed the 38th Parallel and refused to withdraw.  When the South fired a warning shot, the North fired on Seoul’s ships, at which point both navies began exchanging fire.  When one of the North’s ships burst into flames, they withdrew.

Either side could be telling the truth, but who benefits from an incursion into enemy territory?  The South has tried offering appeasements aplenty in an effort to de-escalate tensions on the peninsula.  They just announced a restart of badly-needed food shipments to Pyongyang, even after Kim Jong-Il’s latest rocket show off of the coast.

On the other hand, Kim knows that Barack Obama will begin his tour of Asia this week.  Obama’s visit to the Pacific Rim will attempt to bolster our standing in the Asian economies, but is also designed to bring new energy to security issues, primarily focused on Kim himself.  The new government in Japan is less sympathetic to American issues than the previous one, and Obama wants to gain some traction with Tokyo.  Kim doesn’t benefit by allowing a sense of calm to prevail during this visit; he needs to shake things up in order to undermine Obama’s attempts to unify opposition to his nuclear program.

Even apart from his normal lack of credibility, it’s pretty easy to see that the North intended on committing a provocation in the Yellow Sea for their own regional purposes.  They probably didn’t count on getting their butts kicked, though,

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Quick, Mr. President– bring out the concessions!!!!!!!!

Scott P on November 10, 2009 at 10:59 AM

No date has been set but it would be the first one-on-one talks since Obama took office in January.

Date night!! But where to go in North Korean that has an energy source and food to cook a meal?

WashJeff on November 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Just flew out of Incheon Airport a few days ago. Would have been cool to see that exchange from the air… j/k ;-)

Conversely,we visited the border observatory on the east side of the peninsula and everything was eerily quiet.

I wonder what Uncle Kim is up to.

Tak_Bulgogi on November 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM

What’s with those huge service caps the Norks wear? What’s in there, a weeks worth of rations?

fogw on November 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM

But where to go in North Korean that has an energy source and food to cook a meal?

Pot-luck Dutch by candleligh, maybe? Very romantic….

JoeinTX on November 10, 2009 at 11:05 AM

So why does a nation as insular as North Korea need a Navy to begin with?

I hope the filthy lying coward in the White House gets food poisoning while he vacations in Asia. Troops are still dying in Afghanistan and the bastard is still dithering.

highhopes on November 10, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Tak_Bulgogi on November 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM

I love bulgogi.

artist on November 10, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Obama’s visit to the Pacific Rim will attempt to bolster our standing in the Asian economies…

Funny stuff! Do you contribute to Jay Leno’s monologue?

IntheNet on November 10, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Time for Bury to apologize for training the South Korean sailors on his Asia Apology Tour.

thomasaur on November 10, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Troops are still dying in Afghanistan and the bastard is still dithering.

highhopes on November 10, 2009 at 11:06 AM

He has dithered over the ones who died in Texas too.

fogw on November 10, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Obama apologies are in order.

Christian Conservative on November 10, 2009 at 11:09 AM

The South has tried offering appeasements aplenty in an effort to de-escalate tensions on the peninsula.

South Korea unveils new bike trail near DMZ

BDU-33 on November 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM

I love bulgogi.

artist on November 10, 2009 at 11:06 AM

bulgogi is great!!!

AsianGirlInTights on November 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM

I don’t know which side to support until I find out their positions on gay marriage.

mankai on November 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM

AsianGirlInTights on November 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Are you, really?

artist on November 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM

They just announced a restart of badly-needed food shipments to Pyongyang, even after Kim Jong-Il’s latest rocket show off of the coast.

Food produced by the fear that results from liberty.

/s

mankai on November 10, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Are you, really?

artist on November 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Am I really what?

AsianGirlInTights on November 10, 2009 at 11:14 AM

This > AsianGirlInTights

:)

artist on November 10, 2009 at 11:15 AM

They probably didn’t count on getting their butts kicked, though,

I wonder what the appropriate phrase is here.
“Bringing a PT boat to a frigate duel”?

Count to 10 on November 10, 2009 at 11:16 AM

:)

artist on November 10, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Mostly. Ethnic Chinese (but love Korean food!) and female, but wearing jeans at the moment :)

AsianGirlInTights on November 10, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Nope, looks like both sides had patrol boats.
Although the cannon turret on the SK PT boat looks rather vicious.

Count to 10 on November 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM

No date has been set but it would be the first one-on-one talks since Obama took office in January.

Date night!! But where to go in North Korean that has an energy source and food to cook a meal?

WashJeff on November 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Beer Summit!!!

Jerricho68 on November 10, 2009 at 11:21 AM

It’s cool, all Obama has to do is apologize for winning the Korean War instead of going the Vietnam route.

Orange Doorhinge on November 10, 2009 at 11:22 AM

As much as I detest this man he more more standup than some leaders in the world. I say give him a Nobel peace prize.

bluegrass on November 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM

At least he’ll go any lengths to feed his people…

bluegrass on November 10, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Technically, the Korean war isn’t over yet. We’re just in a ceasefire. There is no peace treaty as far as I’ve ever heard. I’m sure someone can correct me if I’m wrong on that. But, with that said, I don’t think ‘victory’ can be declared.

WashingtonsWake on November 10, 2009 at 11:25 AM

After the battle the N. Koreans admitted they were taken by surprise, “We didn’t expect ‘smart power’ to pack such a wallop.” The S. Korean Navy responded by saying they have no idea what the NKs are talking about.

mankai on November 10, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Just flew out of Incheon Airport a few days ago. Would have been cool to see that exchange from the air… j/k ;-)

Tak_Bulgogi on November 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM

I believe SOP is to route commercial traffic out of the area as soon as hostile forces site each other.

MarkTheGreat on November 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Alan Alda in on route to be sure that a moral equivalence is drawn between the North and the South.

mankai on November 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

They probably didn’t count on getting their butts kicked, though,

Probably been some Nork naval commanders executed…

Realist on November 10, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Quick, Mr. President– bring out the concessions!!!!!!!!

Scott P on November 10, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Lil’ Kim: “Say, Obama, I could really use a new boat.”

Shy Guy on November 10, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Adm. Yi Sun Shin would be proud.

BottomLine5 on November 10, 2009 at 11:28 AM

They probably didn’t count on getting their butts kicked, though

They probably didn’t count on it but it was more of a cherry on the top of the sundae as it helps bolster their claims of South Korea beating up poor little North Korea

Doctor Zhivago on November 10, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Do you want to know my nationality and what I’m wearing, too?

blink on November 10, 2009 at 11:30 AM

You are blinkian, no?

artist on November 10, 2009 at 11:30 AM

blink on November 10, 2009 at 11:30 AM

I see I’m not the only one bothered by that post.

ORconservative on November 10, 2009 at 11:31 AM

artist on November 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Now look what you started:

Did you want some of this?

HelenThomasInBikini on November 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM

WashJeff on November 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM

WashJeff on November 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM

I apologize.

It was light-hearted, shouldn’t have gone OT.

artist on November 10, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Is it too early to kowtow, do a little-self flagellation, make some concessions give up?

rplat on November 10, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Did you want some of this?

HelenThomasInBikini on November 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM

WashJeff on November 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM

I do

Doctor Zhivago on November 10, 2009 at 11:34 AM

You sank my battleship!

SouthernGent on November 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM

OT: Anita Dunn stepping down.

freedomplow on November 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Thanks for the chuckle.

ORconservative on November 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Maybe the North Korean navy commander was merely doing research?

coldwarrior on November 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM

freedomplow on November 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Why would she do that? She fits in perfectly.

ORconservative on November 10, 2009 at 11:38 AM

OT: Anita Dunn stepping down.

freedomplow on November 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM

She’s been Becked.

fogw on November 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Did you want some of this?

HelenThomasInBikini on November 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM

This thread has just taken a dramatic turn for the worst..

swash_plate on November 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Did you want some of this?

HelenThomasInBikini on November 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Holy crap that made me spew with laughter. Absolutely hilarious!

javamartini on November 10, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Kim doesn’t benefit by allowing a sense of calm to prevail during this visit; he needs to shake things up in order to undermine Obama’s attempts to unify opposition to his nuclear program.

The kid throws a tantrum in the living room while guests are visiting. What’s a parent to do?

unclesmrgol on November 10, 2009 at 11:41 AM

bulgogi is great!!!

AsianGirlInTights on November 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM

yah, i met him once. monstrously long hair, and huge horns, but you didn’t want to be nearby when he blew them.

unclesmrgol on November 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Break out the Schlitz, Mr. Obama.

jimmy2shoes on November 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM

So why does a nation as insular as North Korea need a Navy to begin with?

highhopes on November 10, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Actually, they are peninsular, but not as much as South Korea.

unclesmrgol on November 10, 2009 at 11:46 AM

1) N/S Korean naval skirmish.

2) Russians conduct exercise/simulation of the re-invasion of Poland.

3) Chavez moves troops to the border and threatens war with Colombia.

4) Nicaragua ecalates border tensions in support of Zelaya Fiasco.

5) Iran sows mischief in Afgahnistan & Iraq, ships weapons to hizbollah & Hamas, continues apace weaponizing nuke program.

How many Carter/Clinton/Obamas will it take that despite the caricature that “Cowboy Diplomacy” poses the greatest danger that Reagan’s maxims of “peace through strength” or TR’s “speak softly, but carry a big stick” si actually what makes the world safer.

The PC-pacifist-appeasement at all costs crowd is going to only get more people killed in ever more dangerous world.

Archimedes on November 10, 2009 at 11:48 AM

WashJeff on November 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Ed, this guy needs to be banned. He didn’t give her a wax job first.

unclesmrgol on November 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

You sank my battleship!

SouthernGent on November 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM

+1000

unclesmrgol on November 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Either side could be telling the truth, but who benefits from an incursion into enemy territory? The South has tried offering appeasements aplenty in an effort to de-escalate tensions on the peninsula. They just announced a restart of badly-needed food shipments to Pyongyang, even after Kim Jong-Il’s latest rocket show off of the coast.

This incident gives South Korea perfect cover for an ultimatum: We’ll stop the food shipments until you dismantle your nukes.

Kim: Char-broiled barbecued uranium. Yummy.

Steve Z on November 10, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Anytime he has been out of the world press for a few days he cooks up something outrageous to say or do to get attention.

OH, the NK leader does the same thing.

GnuBreed on November 10, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Archimedes on November 10, 2009 at 11:48 AM

It’s called “smart” diplomacy. Lay down and let your enemies do whatever they want. I suggest you learn Mandarin. You may need it.

BottomLine5 on November 10, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Technically, the Korean war isn’t over yet. We’re just in a ceasefire. There is no peace treaty as far as I’ve ever heard. I’m sure someone can correct me if I’m wrong on that. But, with that said, I don’t think ‘victory’ can be declared.

WashingtonsWake on November 10, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Future generations will cite this example of our stupidity: we sought a trade pact before we obtained an armistice.

Chris_Balsz on November 10, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Headline: Korean Navies clash! SK kicks ass! Obama orders US troops to surrender!

Dukehoopsfan on November 10, 2009 at 12:19 PM

What’s with those huge service caps the Norks wear? What’s in there, a weeks worth of rations?

fogw on November 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Nope. But it is a carefully selected survival kit, containing 1 change of civilian clothing. This is to be used when the war actually starts. The NK soldiers will immediately change clothes, and run into South Korea where they hope to live happy, normal, food-filled lives.

BobMbx on November 10, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Let’s give this new guy at the helm, Barry, a few months to figure out a response before he acts.

We don’t want another cowboy acting unilaterally again.

/

omnipotent on November 10, 2009 at 12:33 PM

1) N/S Korean naval skirmish.

2) Russians conduct exercise/simulation of the re-invasion of Poland.

3) Chavez moves troops to the border and threatens war with Colombia.

4) Nicaragua ecalates border tensions in support of Zelaya Fiasco.

5) Iran sows mischief in Afgahnistan & Iraq, ships weapons to hizbollah & Hamas, continues apace weaponizing nuke program.

Archimedes on November 10, 2009 at 11:48 AM

What was Biden said about Barry being challenged in his first 6 months?

MarkTheGreat on November 10, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Change is inevitable……

dmann on November 10, 2009 at 12:44 PM

So, was this a missile or gunfire battle?

pseudonominus on November 10, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Kim looks like a KIM all right, like my grandmotherly Korean next door neighbor.

leftnomore on November 10, 2009 at 1:58 PM

The exchange of fire occurred as U.S. officials said President Barack Obama has decided to send a special envoy to Pyongyang for rare direct talks on the communist country’s nuclear weapons program.

Actually, this is a good move on North Korea’s part. There is no way in Hell a President who “won” the Nobel Peace Prize on the day he was Inaugurated will ever want to side with a peaceful democracy. How will making a psychotic aggressor even MORE upset aid the peace process?

You can be sure all the terrorists currently lined up for their Obama photo ops are taking notes right now.

logis on November 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Kim doesn’t benefit by allowing a sense of calm to prevail during this visit; he needs to shake things up in order to undermine Obama’s attempts to unify opposition to his nuclear program.

That’s typical of the ham-handed, mountain bandit-style diplomacy of Pyongyang. North Korea makes the Japanese very nervous; they’ll more likely wind up pushing the new Japanese government closer to Washington.

Just in time for President Obama to slap the Japanese the way he has the British, the Israelis, the Hondurans, the Poles, the Czechs, the Germans…. argh.

irishspy on November 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM

A badly damaged North Korean patrol ship retreated in flames

I’d prefer that instead it floundered in smoking ruins.

Any provocation with the NORKs should be settled, with a clear victor. They need to know that any provocation will end only one way: they lose.

juanito on November 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM

This is why NK needs nuclear weapons. It’ll “even” the playing field.

Tim Burton on November 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM

So, was this a missile or gunfire battle?

pseudonominus on November 10, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Gunfire. A missile would have sunk it.

MadDogF on November 10, 2009 at 2:48 PM

As a long time resident and still living here in South Korea, I can tell you that this incident barely got mentioned here today. As a matter of fact, it was only after work that I read about it on the news. As for the comment about not having an official end to the Korean War, you are correct. http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/korea/kwarmagr072753.html
However, United States Forces Korea (USFK) just recently announced tour normalization for service members staioned in South Korea. http://www.usfk.mil/usfk/ShowArticle.aspx?ID=355
Dear Leader Kim just doesn’t have the same persona as he once did. As a military buff, I can say he was very lucky that his warship made it back across the Northern Limit Line (NLL) in flames rather than finding its final resting place at the bottom of the West Sea. South Korea has one of the most modern and well equiped militaries in the Pacific region.

galvestonian on November 10, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Beer Soju Summit!!!

Jerricho68 on November 10, 2009 at 11:21 AM

FIFY…

Khun Joe on November 10, 2009 at 3:51 PM

***
Use the HARPOON ANTI-SHIP MISSILE–not gunfire. There won’t be any Norks “going home”–they will be on their way to Davy Jone’s Locker instead.
***
We still owe the Norks bigtime for the axe attacks on our military personnel. And for the U.S. Pueblo hijacking and imprisonment / abuse of the crew. Pay them back in spades–not with marshmallows.
***
John Bibb
***

rocketman on November 10, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Warm up your lips, Mr. President, I hear Kim doesn’t like foreign leaders’ lips to be cold while they kiss his sphincter.

allstonian on November 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM

As a former artillery officer, I {heart} naval gunfire. Low angle but SOOOoooo nice.

Mojave Mark on November 10, 2009 at 7:13 PM