FBI: Hasan contacts with AQ part of a research project

posted at 9:30 am on November 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Well, let’s test this latest theory of FBI inaction, shall we?  Had e-mail existed in World War II, would we have ignored messages between an Army major and Josef Goebbels if the officer in question was working on a counter-propaganda project?  Would we have shrugged at correspondence between a naval officer studying Kamikaze attacks and a member of Tojo’s staff?  Or would the FBI have hotfooted it over to the Pentagon to recall the officer in question ASAP?

The FBI apparently says that your mileage may vary:

U.S. intelligence agencies intercepted 10 to 20 e-mails from Hasan to Anwar al-Aulaqi, a U.S. citizen who once was a spiritual leader, or imam, at the suburban Virginia mosque where Hasan had worshiped, said a law enforcement official who spoke about the investigation on condition of anonymity.

Aulaqi responded to Hasan at least twice, according to Rep. Peter Hoekstra (Mich.), the ranking Republican on the House intelligence committee.

“For me, the number of times that this guy tried to reach out to the imam was significant,” Hoekstra said. “Al-Qaeda and radical jihadists use the Internet to spread radical jihadism. . . . So how much of [Hasan's] lashing out is a result of . . . his access to radical messages on the Internet and the ability to interact?

“I believe that the responses from Aulaqi were maybe pretty innocent,” Hoekstra continued. “But the very fact that he’s sent e-mail . . . to this guy and got responses would be quite a concern to me.”

The FBI determined that the e-mails did not warrant an investigation, according to the law enforcement official. Investigators said Hasan’s e-mails were consistent with the topic of his academic research and involved some social chatter and religious discourse.

Gen. George Casey bemoaned the damage that would be done to “diversity” if the Hasan investigation got out of hand.  That isn’t an entirely illegitimate concern, but the FBI apparently turned it into a fetish long before Hasan picked up his guns and murdered 14 people, including an unborn child.  The Washington Post calls Aulaqi (sometimes spelled Awlaki) a “radical cleric,” but Aulaqi is openly recruiting people for al-Qaeda in Yemen — and last we looked, AQ is still an enemy of the US.  Repeated contacts by a military officer with an AQ recruiter, or for that matter any “radical cleric” living in Yemen, should have been a big, red flag.

Let me share with you one personal story.  In my days working for a defense contractor, I held a security clearance — nothing too high-level, but enough to have access to some fairly sensitive information.  We received regular briefings about the necessity of reporting contacts with any persons who could be hostile.  In one case, friends of mine wanted me to meet someone that they had met who was traveling in the US from the Soviet Union, which I would have had to report immediately or face all sorts of investigations.  It would have cost me my job at the very least had I not reported the contact immediately.  When I explained that to my friends, they wisely withdrew the invitation.

The briefings were very clear on this point: our enemies would use social contacts as a means to meet people they could attempt to recruit.  In fact, that was the primary method of recruiting people back in the Cold War days.  The shrug at “social chatter” seems very, very odd to me, and would to anyone who sat through those briefings during that period.

After the 9/11 attack, Congress rightly howled about a lack of “connecting the dots” (while ignoring some of the 9/11 Commission members’ role in erecting “the wall” between law enforcement and intelligence that prevented it).  We have the same situation here.  The Army had plenty of data from its own officers about Hasan’s erratic and potentially disloyal behavior.  In the last few days, a number of his colleagues have gone public to tell the media that they repeatedly warned their chain of command about Hasan’s actions and statements.  The Army certainly had enough data points to make a serious evaluation of the danger Hasan presented.

Had the FBI coordinated with the Army and Hasan’s chain of command about the nature of his “research,” do you think people would have started connecting a few dots before the attack?  Isn’t that what they’re supposed to be doing after 9/11?

Update: Verum Serum reminds me that Aulaqi was one of the original “dots” that didn’t get connected.


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14 people died for political correctness and the only thing that will come of it is CYA and even more political correctness leading to more dead innocents. People are expendable; “diversity” is holy.

SKYFOX on November 10, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Looks like a typical Obama supporter to me!!!!!

bluegrass on November 10, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Okay, sort of O/T ABC Radio news just said the there would be a twenty-one gun salute and that a burglar would blow taps. I guess all the buglers are all busy.

Cindy Munford on November 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM

The only ones from another planet are those so supportive of PC that they’re trying to make the truth if this treasonous horror go away by any means necessary.

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Agreed.
But how can this be possible? The PC zealots might make up about 20% of the people. How can they dictate everyone elses actions and morality? It amazes me.

Itchee Dryback on November 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM

Okay, sort of O/T ABC Radio news just said the there would be a twenty-one gun salute and that a burglar would blow taps. I guess all the buglers are all busy.

Cindy Munford on November 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM

I guess Obama himself wrote the press release/talking points for the day!

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Aiding and abetting the enemy is an act of treason, period. However,,,,if we do not even admit we are in a war, forget the rest of the stuff. If an individual poisons the water supply of a large city all by himself because he believes in the cause[has no contact with outsiders],,is that not an act of terrorism???????

retiredeagle on November 10, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Agreed.
But how can this be possible? The PC zealots might make up about 20% of the people. How can they dictate everyone elses actions and morality? It amazes me.

Itchee Dryback on November 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM

It’s forty years in the making. Those in positions of influence were those rich college kids in the 60s and 70s burning down campus buildings. They later became tenured academics, politicians, and government workers.

The government is basically run by the bureaucrats.

What amazes me, too, is that all those 60s protesters who mistrusted government so much now think those who mistrust as they used to are dangerous morons.

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 11:11 AM

I am just being petty but these are the smart folks and I am pretty sure they are paid fairly well.

Cindy Munford on November 10, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Hasan apparently first attracted FBI attention while Bush was in office.

Bleeds Blue on November 10, 2009 at 9:56 AM

True. But the decision not to act was made by the Obama administration.

Guardian on November 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Cindy Munford on November 10, 2009 at 11:14 AM

That mistake you mentioned shouldn’t have happened. But it’s funny all the same in a demented way.

I can be more petty and say it was a Freudian slip over at ABC News. They really think that low of our military. /sarc

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM

CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION NOW!

What did Obama know, and when did he know it!?

profitsbeard on November 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

How would General Patton handle this???

bluegrass on November 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Guardian on November 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Actually, from what I read, it’s not known if Hasan was ever reported for a slideshow presentation he did at Walter Reed.

I prefer treading carefully when libs make assertions, because they tend to blurs facts and details, among other things they do to disrupt a thread.

If, however, a lib is going to say it’s Bush’s fault for not stopping Hasan sooner, then he is presenting a case for discharging all Muslims from the military before this sort of thing happens again.

Of course, a lib’s next response will be to deny that and insult my mom.

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Death by PC’ness…

We have a new pathology to fight.

Romeo13 on November 10, 2009 at 11:35 AM

It’s forty years in the making. Those in positions of influence were those rich college kids in the 60s and 70s burning down campus buildings. They later became tenured academics, politicians, and government workers.

The government is basically run by the bureaucrats.

What amazes me, too, is that all those 60s protesters who mistrusted government so much now think those who mistrust as they used to are dangerous morons.

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 11:14 AM

My thought also. The only thing different now, is that they are manifesting it at a new level. In the same way that they were able to make incremental changes into the governing, teaching, and even home life decisions without anyone noticing, only to find the changes binding because of already passed legislation, larger and more all encompassing structural frameworks are being erected which will soon remove all power of the individual. The bait and switch is going well for them. Where the foundational direction of the laws used to arguably be the welfare of an individual in a society, the new model will be the power and whim of the government over the individuals most basic freedoms. A 180 degree change that is happening unnoticed, with barely a ripple to draw attention.

People have to wake up. What you may suspect is going on, is going on!

Itchee Dryback on November 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Death by PC’ness…

We have a new pathology to fight.

Romeo13 on November 10, 2009 at 11:35 AM

P.C.- fatal when swallowed.

profitsbeard on November 10, 2009 at 11:38 AM

While I was in the army, Ed, I had a security clearance, as well. And I can fully backup what you say here. We knew without a doubt that if we had contact with anyone who could be considered an enemy of the country, it was to be reported immediately. To not do so risks being brought up on charges, which could even lead to charges of treason.

Highlar on November 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Question: if Anwar al-Aulaqi is a member of Al Qaeda, why hasn’t he had his US Citizenship revoked?

Speculation: maybe the FBI didnt pounce on Hasan because they were monitoring his communications and wanted to use that intel to prevent a terrorist attack.

Whether or not you believe Hasan’s murder spree was a terrorist attack, it certainly wasn’t an Al Qaeda-style attack. It was more like Columbine than 9/11, Madrid, London, etc. I think it’s entirely plausible that the FBI was lying back on Hasan because they had no reason to believe he was an imminent threat, and they wanted to stay on top of his communications in order to prevent an al Qaeda attack.

Obviously even if this idea is correct, there are many questions to be answered. The decisions the FBI made led to a horrible result. But if they had jumped on Hasan ahead of time, Hasan would have been taken out of the communication loop with AQ (to whatever extent he was actually in that loop). If that had happened and a terrorist attack occurred that might have been prevented by monitoring Hasan’s communications, we would be criticizing the FBI for making the opposite decision.

orange on November 10, 2009 at 11:41 AM

How would General Patton handle this???

bluegrass on November 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Pinch their noses and kick them in the gut?

Itchee Dryback on November 10, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Media narrative (PTSD, harassment) officially shredded by Hasan’s own powerpoint presentation. It’s the jihad, stupid.

Beagle on November 10, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Well, y’see officer, the gym bag full of cocaine was for a research project. I wasn’t gonna actually use it, or, like, sell it. I’m just really into microscopic photography of uncommon crystalline structures.

And the three stolen cars out back? I was planning to learn automobile maintenance, refurbish them, and return them. No, really, I totally was!

What? You question the midget donkey kiddie porn on my computer along with that vast e-mail distribution list? Don’t worry. I’m just a budding self-taught network engineer, testing a novel theory of high-bandwith packet switching.

Oh, and before you ask, those 55 gallon drums of ammonium nitrate you’ll find out back, behind my shed under the tarp … I’m saving up to start a sod farm next year. Gotta keep that grass green, ya know!

OhioCoastie on November 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM

What you may suspect is going on, is going on!

Itchee Dryback on November 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Many of us know, but look how we’re slandered. Even Obama the other day asked of his people if they want the ‘extremist teabaggers to win’ on health care. The elitists truly think that of us, and that we’re so stupid we’re going to buy this FBI thing that Hasan was doing ‘research’.

People know, and the Left is starting to lose independents as a voting block. I won’t say this horror at Ft. Hood can work for the Right but, the way the Administration and MSM are trying to spin it, they’re going to harm their own cause.

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM

A research project on how to kill the devils?

Rbastid on November 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Last time I got busted in some teen girl’s kitchen by Dateline NBC, I told them I was only talking to her for a research project. “Oh, sorry,” said Chris Hanson, “Keep up the good work.” Real nice guy.

Urquhart on November 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Nah…. you really havent been given the full Alinsky until the make up a name about your view ending in “er”… like “birther”….

May I suggest then…. Islamer? Jihader? or is this all covered by the Superset defined by Islamophobia?

Romeo13 on November 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM

orange on November 10, 2009 at 11:41 AM

A good case you make in that theory, but it seems the FBI didn’t inform the Army at all if you’re right. If your idea were used by the FBI instead of trying to say Hasan’s contact was research (in other words, ‘innocent’) they’d have a lot more cred with people who are tired of being called morons.

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 11:51 AM

MB4′s link also has the powerpoint presentation with Diana West’s excellent analysis.

Really, this is going to be hilarious (in a not-really-funny sort of way). Hasan spelled out his motive in graphic detail with point-by-point Quranic justifications. Like the UNC death race jihadi, I don’t expect any media figures (like CNN or Chris Matthews) to acknowledge any mistake or misleading of the public. It’s intentional deception for the greater good (keeping the tebagging wingnuts in check — the REAL THREAT).

Someone convince me we’re not going to lose this war due to mass delusion and willful blindness.

Beagle on November 10, 2009 at 11:51 AM

…the full Alinsky…

Romeo13 on November 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM

LOL!!!

Stronger than the Half Nelson and twice as painful!

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

“connecting the dots”

On the matter of “connecting the dots”, more people need to be “connecting the dots” between the “mind set” that lead to Ft. Hood and the “mind set” that’s operating in Afghanistan.

Think of one of those TV shows where a number of seemingly unrelated murders are being investigated and a “light bulb goes off” in the detectives head.

MB4 on November 10, 2009 at 11:59 AM

light bulb goes off on

MB4 on November 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Beagle on November 10, 2009 at 11:51 AM

What most Americans, and apparently the FBI, cannot wrap their minds around is that this guy was raised in a culture with a different mindset, even though he was rasied in America.

Life is not held sacred in the Middle East… and you can make a RATIONAL decision to “sacrifice” youself for your religion… and NOT be a Nut.

Kamikazes were not NUTS. The 300 Spartans were not Nuts. Alamo? Camerone? History is replete with “Soldiers” sacrificing their lives… if you then make the leap, as this guy wrote about, to put your Cause to the equal of theirs (IN YOUR OWN MIND)… then you are NOT NUTS.

Hasan commited an Act of War, in the name of Jihad. It was Treason and he should be shot…

But the PC FBI and Media cannot admit that, because it would then elevate Islam to the status of Enemy.

Romeo13 on November 10, 2009 at 12:02 PM

I emailed Major Traitor Hasan – via the email address visible on his business card shown online everywhere- to ask him how he could mis-spell “Health” on his official business card [VIZ~ “Heatlth“] and to ask if necktie parties were halal in Islam.

(It did not come back immediately as “Undeliverable Mail“.)

Still waiting for the FBI to contact me.

For Islamophobia or something.

Nothing yet.

profitsbeard on November 10, 2009 at 12:05 PM

light bulb goes off on

MB4 on November 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM

MB4- you were right, in this case, the first time.

profitsbeard on November 10, 2009 at 12:06 PM

MB4- you were right, in this case, the first time.

profitsbeard on November 10, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Good point. I was thinking of Harry Callahan and forgot that the detective on this case is Inspector Clauseau.

MB4 on November 10, 2009 at 12:15 PM

I posted this over at my website.

You know when have those moments when you are doing something else and a unrelated thought hits you?

I’m brushing my teeth, listening to FOX talk about how Hasan was emailing a radical religious leader who is known to hate America. The report was a complaint that the FBI knew about it, but did nothing. Suddenly it hits me. I could see one FBI agent talking to another one saying, “Hey Fred, this Hasan guy, he’s a little spooky. I just found out that he is emailing a nutjob, radical, religious leader who hates America. Should we tell anyone?” The other agent goes, “An America hating religious leader? Who? Jeremiah Wright?” At which point the first agent says, “Yeah, you’re right, who would care anyhow.”

archer52 on November 10, 2009 at 12:20 PM

The FBI determined that the e-mails did not warrant an investigation, according to the law enforcement official

It’s called “stegnography”, the art of hiding information in otherwise innocuous messages (generally photos, video, or audio files). Did they take every single phrase in the email, and search the web for things it could link to?

There is no way you can look at the number of messages that went back and forth, and decide that nothing wrong was going on. Not with a huge investigation involving dozens of people.

The FBI punted for political correctness reasons.

Greg Q on November 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM

People know, and the Left is starting to lose independents as a voting block. I won’t say this horror at Ft. Hood can work for the Right but, the way the Administration and MSM are trying to spin it, they’re going to harm their own cause.

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Some of the people do know..and socialists in the administration all know.
No matter how “matter of fact”, and laid back they try to present themselves as being, they know that this is it
.. The make up is running and stinging their eyes. The best shot they have is to convince people that they have already won…so just step down and accept it already.

What is going on is hugely historic, and its unfolding in front of our eyes. Its becoming difficult to to not be annoyingly amazed by people who act like there is nothing unusual going on. The country is being shoved to the edge of insanity, and people are more interested in the best bargains to be had, or the best movie.
Its amazing.

Itchee Dryback on November 10, 2009 at 12:30 PM

If this scumbag Muslim had attacked a leftist group or organization or even a government office, then it would be all over for Muslims.

Sporty1946 on November 10, 2009 at 12:37 PM

WE will see how Obama presents his speech at Ft. Hood today. Watch everything–his posture, his eyes, and especially his intonation as he speaks. Hopefully he’ll do better than his message to Berlin.

For the good of the country I hope he outdoes himself. But only for sake of the country, our troops who need it right now, and especially for those grieving.

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 12:47 PM

If this scumbag Muslim had attacked a leftist group or organization or even a government office, then it would be all over for Muslims.

Sporty1946 on November 10, 2009 at 12:37 PM

But why would they ever attack their own?

Western_Civ on November 10, 2009 at 12:51 PM

For the good of the country I hope he outdoes himself. Liam on November 10, 2009 at 12:47 PM

That is like hoping an ameoba can outdo its own DNA. Liam, your sentiment is understandable, but don’t waste energy looking for a human being in that fraudulent jihadi-sympathizing post turtle.

Western_Civ on November 10, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Western_Civ on November 10, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Oh, I know what we have in the WH, among the balance of his Party, and their die-hard supporters in general. We see their crap here all the time.

I rather hope than be as hopeless as they are. Bush could do no right in their eyes, which is truly silly at best. I find it more hateful on their part.

I’m interested in the country, putting it ahead of my partisanship unlike how libs will behave. While I have all the same doubts as you, I rather wish better while I can. Maybe, just this once, we’ll get it.

If we don’t, then I’ll need to import more anger against the Left because I’m full up with my own against them.

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Unless he’s learned something, I expect his voice to be oddly devoid of any real concern or sympathy. That trait is what struck me when I heard him announce the Fort Hood attack.
He sounded emotionless..and I imagined his eyes to be cold and black…dead..like a dolls eyes.
He is the shark.

Itchee Dryback on November 10, 2009 at 1:04 PM

While I was in the army, Ed, I had a security clearance, as well. And I can fully backup what you say here. We knew without a doubt that if we had contact with anyone who could be considered an enemy of the country, it was to be reported immediately. To not do so risks being brought up on charges, which could even lead to charges of treason.

Highlar on November 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM

A day, or so after the Fort Hood attack, Obama said, we need to wait, and not jump to rash conclusions on this. To no assume it’s a terrorist attack by a radical islamic. I think the hidden message was….I knew about this man, before this happened, and info migh come out. Don’t judge me to harshly. I had a basketball game, and a round of golf to play. I just didn’t have the time to deal with it.

capejasmine on November 10, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Itchee Dryback on November 10, 2009 at 1:04 PM

I have all the same expectations as you. Obama can’t even fake a way out of his cold indifference, unlike Clinton could so well–a least when people weren’t looking too hard. Hell, even when Clinton walked up to Rush in a restaurant some years ago, Clinton had the courtesy to be polite, almost charming. I truly don’t believe Obama could do half as well.

I’m willing to wait a few moments here, wanting the best but I’m no Pollyanna; I’ve seen enough of Obama and the rest of the Enemy Party to know where their hearts beat. We have all seen the horrid things the disruptors post here, and their tactics.

When Obama drops this ball–while I hope he won’t but expect he will–anticipate me being more incensed than I have been all this year.

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 1:14 PM

…Don’t judge me to harshly at all. I won!

capejasmine on November 10, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Had to add the touch…

Liam on November 10, 2009 at 1:22 PM

It seems to me that this FBI report, and the conclusion that Hasan\’s email wasn\’t important, is an obvious dodge. This one fact may not be important IF there were no other facts that, taken together, would have indicated Hasan was developing radical inclinations. However, we know that those other facts were present — his admiration of suicide bombers, his complaints about America\’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, etc. That\’s why the FBI keeps files collecting facts when such incidents turn up, so that they can view the entirety of the evidence and evaluate the subject on that basis. For the FBI to now say this one fact wasn\’t significant tells me they are in CYA mode, where they are admitting to knowing this fact, or that fact, but still pretending they didn\’t look at all of them together. This shows either gross incompetence, or deliberate deceit on the part of the FBI.

Socratease on November 10, 2009 at 1:26 PM

would we have ignored messages between an Army major and Josef Goebbels if the officer in question was working on a counter-propaganda project? Would we have shrugged at correspondence between a naval officer studying Kamikaze attacks and a member of Tojo’s staff? Or would the FBI have hotfooted it over to the Pentagon to recall the officer in question ASAP?

Neither. We would have either CO-OPTED him as a double agent, or we would have tracked him and tried to uncover any other contacts he was trying to develop in our ranks.

Since this guy was a psychiatrist, any contacts he was making with his “patients” would have been privileged.

We may never know the whole story here. My guess is that the FBI handed their info over to Army Intel, and they tried to turn Hasad. Unfortunately, the Jihadist version of an “honorable death” doesn’t take the form of a cyanide capsule.

Either way, I hope the FBI learned a valuable lesson here. But in an increasingly aggressively P.C. political climate, somehow I doubt it.

logis on November 10, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Please !!!!!

Could you please stop putting this guy’s military photo on your headline page??? Why don’t you put the surveilance video photo from the convenience store up instead. He is a disgrace to the military and should be seen in his skull cap and dirty night shirt.

ohiorebel on November 10, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Political correctness will be the death of us all.

TrickyDick on November 10, 2009 at 1:44 PM

A day, or so after the Fort Hood attack, Obama said, we need to wait, and not jump to rash conclusions on this. To no assume it’s a terrorist attack by a radical islamic. I think the hidden message was….I knew about this man, before this happened, and info migh come out. Don’t judge me to harshly. I had a basketball game, and a round of golf to play. I just didn’t have the time to deal with it.

Bush was Commander-In-Chief when the FBI discovered he was e-mailing that Iman and decided he was not a threat:

Investigative officials told The Associated Press that FBI Director Robert Mueller has ordered an internal investigation into whether the agency mishandled an “assessment” of Hasan that was conducted last December and concluded he did not pose a threat.

Tom_Shipley on November 10, 2009 at 2:30 PM

This is obamas “blackhawk down” pure and simple

god, how the left and media would have loved to have this happen on Bushs watch

I’m ill that a highschooler could have made better presumptions than our supposed smart people

I have always believed the reason that the private sector is why we have anything is because they must be ever vigilant. They can’t just clock out at the end of the day and expect the same situation to welcome them tomorrow

here is just another case supporting my ideal that the growing public sector is nothing more than fat in arteries since the attitude is we will get to it tomorrow

as for what Patton would do

gen Casey would be feeling the knuckles from the back of his hand

Sonosam on November 10, 2009 at 2:59 PM

OT listening to the prez give his speech at the Ft. Hood memorial. Gotta say, he’s making it about our fallen soldiers. Nothing about him so far. Perhaps he’s learned his lesson.

Annietxgrl on November 10, 2009 at 3:01 PM


Hasan contacts with AQ part of a research project

Odd, that was Bernie “Lion of the Left” Wards excuse for all the child porno on his computer.

On August 28, 2008, Judge Vaughn Walker sentenced Ward to seven years and three months in Federal prison.

With good behavior Ward’s sentence of 87 months could be reduced by 15 percent, making him eligible for supervised release on October 30, 2014 (parole does not exist in the Federal system).

DSchoen on November 10, 2009 at 3:10 PM

god, how the left and media would have loved to have this happen on Bushs watch

It kind of did. Now, I don’t think Bush should be blamed for this — it seems like it was an internal FBI decision not to further investigate this guy after the e-mails to that Iman.

But it seems that the “ball was dropped” while Bush was president.

Now, I’m also not going to Monday Morning QB too much here. The FBI, under both Obama and Bush, has been successful in breaking up terror cells. It certainly possible that they messed up here, and there is an internal investigation looking into it. But I’m not going to get all indignant over it at the moment.

Tom_Shipley on November 10, 2009 at 3:17 PM

I suppose it’s just a matter of time before Obama blames Bush for Hasan’s terrorist attack.

olesparkie on November 10, 2009 at 3:19 PM

All the warning signs were in place. This tragedy could have been avoided. Our government failed these victims.

galvestonian on November 10, 2009 at 3:21 PM

OT again….decent speech however, would have been better had he NOT mentioned anything about the shooter. Yes we know he will get his due process, but for God’s sake shut up already. No need to mention that at the memorial service.

Annietxgrl on November 10, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Tom

at what point did the scum try to contact aq?

That would interest me

Sonosam on November 10, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Amazing… Fricking amazing…

Khun Joe on November 10, 2009 at 3:45 PM

He obviously cracked from the stress of paying for the lap dances at the tittie bar. I wonder if Obama will eventually send him to Bermuda, Palau or the Caribean

Kuffar on November 10, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Hasan’s jihad may have been the FBI’s research project.

Just how far can the Feds push Americans away from our Constitutional Rights? Just how far can Feds abandon their own Constitutional Duties, to protect our borders and our citizens from enemies? Just how effective is PC in coercing all into the Marxist March?

NO research project excuses what Hasan did, nor does any such “research” excuse the FBI for not informing the Army, to beware and keep heads up and eyes open with Hasan. Everyone was putting off the responsibility to blow the whistle on someone else; just like 9/11 AGAIN.

The only thing that the FBI achieved by trying this lunacy as if a “research project” (I heard it was supposedly for a Master’s Thesis) is DISGUST AND UTTER DISDAIN FOR THE FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, and for PC.

Given the FBI leniency with terrorists stateside, particularly WITHIN our military establishment, ANYONE can now claim their terrorism is simply a research project. If it flies for the FBI and Hasan, it flies.

The Branch Davidian massacre outside of Waco was a research project. Timothy McVeigh’s Oklahoma FBI Bldg. bombing was such a research project. Hasan’s inspiration, the terrorists who murdered Americans stateside on 9/11/01 was a research project. Every crime and act of terror is a research project. Will it work, or won’t it? Who will fund it, and reciprocate the “study”? Who profits?

maverick muse on November 10, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Every crime and act of terror is a research project. Will it work, or won’t it? Who will fund it, and reciprocate the “study”? Who profits?

Beyond enabling, WHO ENDORSES SUCH “RESEARCH PROJECTS” TO LEGITIMIZE TERRORISM?!

maverick muse on November 10, 2009 at 3:56 PM

The Ft. Hood Massacre is on Pres.Obama’s watch.

So far, Mr.Obama is enabling terrorism on conservative citizens, veterans, and active military troops AT HOME AND ABROAD.

As the names of the Ft.Hood fallen victims were read, Hasan assassinated his own friends from within the military’s psychiatric medical service whose job it was to help troops deal with stress.

Exactly WHERE are our overly stressed men and women supposed to heal when their own HOME BASE is a place where they are vulnerable to terrorism? They are safe nowhere if not at home.

PC fosters treason and terrorism. End PC. Prosecute PC and effectively finish off “hate crimes”.

PC is a divisive hate crime against national unity, against individual citizen liberty and responsibility, and ultimately against the US Constitution.

maverick muse on November 10, 2009 at 4:09 PM

I knew all the libs would immediately make this about cultural diversity instead of a terrorist attack on our soil. When even the army is too PC to prevent AQ connected soldiers from serving because of a fear of being called ‘racist’ then we got problems my friend.

ntmaloney on November 10, 2009 at 4:10 PM

As the names of the Ft.Hood fallen victims were read

it was painfully apparent that…

maverick muse on November 10, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Fron an NPR article:

But the administrative procedure for removing a resident at Walter Reed was considered onerous, according to the psychiatrists, and a key official on a review committee reportedly asked how it might look to terminate a key resident who happened to be a Muslim.

Hasan was later reassigned to Fort Hood.

Reminds me of how the Catholic church handled child molesting priests.

How’d THAT work out?

fred5678 on November 10, 2009 at 4:16 PM

WE ARE DIVERSE.

PC does nothing to MAKE us diverse.

“PC Diversity” is not the equivalent of being effectively diversified, but is rather the opposite, focusing forces to work against each other in PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT to reform the entire machine in order to facilitate the single insubordinate and malicious piece that causes major malfunction, rather than working together in a unified and cohesive fashion.

So much for the Army of One motto. The “One” is now all about Obama who truly disdains our military with utter antipathy.

Yes, he was pained to address the fallen at Ft. Hood where he just couldn’t keep himself from color coding Americans. But otherwise, thank God someone wrote him a much better speech than I anticipated hearing from Mr. Obama.

maverick muse on November 10, 2009 at 4:20 PM

That isn’t an entirely illegitimate concern, but the FBI apparently turned it into a fetish long before Hasan picked up his guns and murdered 14 people, including an unborn child.

Well, at least the next time you are accused of this…

… you have an excuse.

Seven Percent Solution on November 10, 2009 at 4:26 PM

I think if you are in the military, or your considering joining the military you really really need to have a little internal soul searching and just figure out, if you want to be the pawn of a neo-marxist who places more empahsis on the unfortunate murder of a baby killer then, on the bloody ambush of 14 people under his “command”

WichoFawkes on November 10, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Agreed.
But how can this be possible? The PC zealots might make up about 20% of the people. How can they dictate everyone elses actions and morality? It amazes me.

Itchee Dryback on November 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM

It comes from the top down.

Johan Klaus on November 10, 2009 at 5:05 PM

With each new development it becomes more and more clear that the jump-to-conclusions crowd is right.

Disturb the Universe on November 10, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Let me be clear.

Its not terrorism. Its not a Jihad.

Its just another Muslim Man caused disaster.

Mmm Mmm Imam.

Geochelone on November 10, 2009 at 5:17 PM

How would General Patton handle this???

bluegrass on November 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

That is a rhetorical question, I am sure.

Johan Klaus on November 10, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Now, I don’t think Bush should be blamed for this

But it seems that the “ball was dropped” while Bush was president.

Tom_Shipley on November 10, 2009 at 3:17 PM

But you did.

Johan Klaus on November 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM

How would General Patton handle this???

bluegrass on November 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

I know how General Pershing would handle it.

Once in U.S. history an episode of Islamic terrorism was very quickly stopped. It happened in the Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. Pershing was in command of the garrison. There had been numerous Islamic terrorist attacks, so “Black Jack” told his boys to catch the perps and teach them a lesson.

Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to posts, execution style. The U.S. soldiers then brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and fat. Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they would be contaminated with hogs’ blood. This would mean that they could not enter Heaven, even if they died as terrorist martyrs.

All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the grave, and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies. The lone survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and tell his brethren what happened to the others. This brought a stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the next 50 years.

Pointing a gun into the face of Islamic terrorists won’t make them flinch.

They welcome the chance to die for Allah. Like Gen. Pershing, we must show them that they won’t get to Muslim heaven (which they believe has an endless supply of virgins) but instead will die with the hated pigs of the devil.

Disturb the Universe on November 10, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Obama failed. 14 Died.

faraway on November 10, 2009 at 5:25 PM

The over the top PC bulldip that let this guy slide just makes me sick.

While I was in the army, Ed, I had a security clearance, as well. And I can fully backup what you say here. We knew without a doubt that if we had contact with anyone who could be considered an enemy of the country, it was to be reported immediately. To not do so risks being brought up on charges, which could even lead to charges of treason.

Highlar on November 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM

I got the briefing too and the FBI came to my hometown and interviewed, well, just about everyone.

But that was when one’s TI/DI could still hit you and use a ton of vulgar and sexually offensive language.

dogsoldier on November 10, 2009 at 5:26 PM

on the bloody ambush of 14 people under his “command”

WichoFawkes on November 10, 2009 at 4:39 PM

You have got the one and four backwards.

Johan Klaus on November 10, 2009 at 5:28 PM

But that was when one’s TI/DI could still hit you and use a ton of vulgar and sexually offensive language.

dogsoldier on November 10, 2009 at 5:26 PM

YOU GIRLS GET DOWN AND GIVE ME TWENTY, NOW!

Johan Klaus on November 10, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Reminds me of how the Catholic church handled child molesting priests.

How’d THAT work out?

fred5678 on November 10, 2009 at 4:16 PM

I did not realize that hasan was a Catholic.

Johan Klaus on November 10, 2009 at 5:34 PM

I suppose it’s just a matter of time before Obama blames Bush for Hasan’s terrorist attack.

olesparkie on November 10, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Sort of like some of our posters.

Johan Klaus on November 10, 2009 at 5:36 PM

So if I say things like, “Should I kill my fellow soldiers?” In an e-mail but do it in a religious context it’s hands off?

- The Cat

P.S. Ok, I don’t know that he said exactly that but still. . .

MirCat on November 10, 2009 at 5:36 PM

MirCat on November 10, 2009 at 5:36 PM

“My imam made me do it”.

Johan Klaus on November 10, 2009 at 5:45 PM

The first person to use “Islamogenic” in a sentence gets 10 points.

For example: “Islamogenic violence is on the rise in the Western World.”

Its a word that even Libtards can embrace and share, since they love the term anthropogenic.

Geochelone on November 10, 2009 at 5:49 PM

FBI: Hasan contacts with AQ part of a research project

BULLSH*T

Old Hippie Vet on November 10, 2009 at 6:20 PM

MEDIA DELUSION OF THE DAY:

I was listening to NPR this morning (**I know, I know**) and the NATIONAL anchorbitch, WHO FULL WELL KNOWS BETTER, intentionally MISpronounced Hasan’s name as Hass*in.

While her version did rhyme with “assassin”, she intentionally indulged in this verbal disingenuity to fully erase the decidedly ETHNIC SOUND from his name.

I have heard this particular anchorthroat pronounce myriad world leaders in long lists administering the U.N’s daily scrotal tongue bath >>>BUT I’M SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE SHE ***CAN’T*** PRONOUNCE THE NAME, Has*ahn ?????

I have never almost wrecked my car screaming the “C” word at the radio. Until this morning.

seejanemom on November 10, 2009 at 6:33 PM

The Obama Administration is already sorry that that fat bastard wasn’t killed at the scene.

seejanemom on November 10, 2009 at 6:35 PM

Ed,

Are you ready to call it what it smells like or are you still reserving judgement?

OSUBuciz1 on November 10, 2009 at 6:49 PM

If I was a nurse in that facility (***where he is getting EXCELLENT MEDICAL CARE, OBTW***) I would steal into his room with a bag of pork rinds in my bra, pull it out so he could CLEARLY see them and proceed to rub them all over every inch of his disgusting, squirming body.

Then I would rip his friggin’ ventilator out of the wall by its roots.

Hell is saving him a special seat.

seejanemom on November 10, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Have never thought of shooting 13 people in cold blood as a research project but I suppose in Jihadville, it could be considered such?

jeanie on November 10, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Jeanie, perhaps the research was to see how far the leftist media would go to cover up a terrorist attack.

Vera on November 10, 2009 at 7:48 PM

A bit OT but I have to say that Alan Colmes is an IDIOT. What an a$$hat he is. Saw him on O’Reilly (yeah yeah I know) and good Lord he needs some serious psychiatric help.

Annietxgrl on November 10, 2009 at 8:20 PM

“Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!” Yelled the Wizard! “The Great Oz has spoken!”

JellyToast on November 10, 2009 at 8:23 PM

The FBI determined that the e-mails did not warrant an investigation, according to the law enforcement official.

It’s called A$$ covering, everyone is racing to cover their collective A$$E$, and we should hammer them. There are 13 dead Americans, and how many wounded? Including Munley who stopped him from killing anymore Americans. How many dead Americans does it take to get this Government to respond, and do their freakin jobs?

I hope Joe Lieberman gets them all on the carpet, and reams them good. The FBI – the people who couldn’t connect the dots before 9/11, now they are telling us 8 years later emailng Al Qeada NO BIG DEAL. Give me an F’n Break.

Dr Evil on November 10, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Diversity?? When did the army start worshipping diversity. I wish I had a dollar every time I heard the “You’re not black, white, red or yellow. Forget all that. You’re all green” speech.
We were all the same. No diversity was tolerated.

prophetsfather on November 10, 2009 at 8:31 PM

UCMJ CHARGES WHICH SHOULD BE FILED FOR A GCM

ART. 118. MURDER

Any person subject to this chapter whom without justification or excuse, unlawfully kills a human being, when he–

(1) has a premeditated design to kill;

(2) intends to kill or inflict great bodily harm;

(3) is engaged in an act which is inherently dangerous to others and evinces a wanton disregard of human life; or

(4) is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of burglary, sodomy, rape, robbery, or aggravated arson; is guilty of murder, and shall suffer such punishment as a court-martial may direct, except that if found guilty under clause (1) or (4), he shall suffer death or imprisonment for life as a court-martial may direct.

ART. 128. ASSAULT

(a) Any person subject to this chapter who attempts or offers with unlawful force or violence to do bodily harm to another person, whether or not the attempt or offer is consummated, is guilty of assault and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

(b) Any person subject to this chapter who–

(1)commits an assault with a dangerous weapon or other means or force likely to produce death or grievous bodily harm; or

(2) commits an assault and intentionally inflicts grievous bodily harm with or without a weapon; is guilty of aggravated assault and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

ART. 104. AIDING THE ENEMY

Any person who–

(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or

(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or [protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly; shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.

DevilDoc77 on November 10, 2009 at 8:36 PM

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