“Stupak-Pitts is such a sweeping denial of insurance coverage of abortion for women that it in fact in essence makes abortion unavailable to women. In Roe v Wade the court said the government may not restrict women from exercising their choice to have an abortion and Stupak-Pitts clearly stops women from doing that.”…

“There’s no question that Hillary Clinton would have fought for our rights,” she says.

That is such a load of crap. There is a BIG difference between banning abortion and saying that FEDERAL money and the money of TAXPAYERS can’t be used for someone else’s ‘mistakes’ via public insurance. I’ve seen no language in the amendment that bans someone from paying for baby killing services out of pocket.

I’m sorry, but if they are going to pass this monstrosity of a bill, there are quite a few other things this bill should ban the coverage of. This thing SHOULDN’T be a Federally run and operated ‘Cadillac’ insurance plan like many seem to think it should be. It should allow for coverage of catastrophic illness and ‘actual’ emergencies (i.e. if you go to the emergency room with a sore throat the doc can say ‘nope, pay out of your pocket for that one, buddy’)and that is IT.
It shouldn’t allow for routine doctors visits. I’m not even so wild about it covering maternity care because if you are so broke that you can’t afford insurance/out of pocket fees for OB services, should you really be getting pregnant in the first place? (yes, these are all reasons the government shouldn’t even be in the health care equation)

I would rather it not be passed and signed into law at all, but if they are hell bent on getting into the insurance game that is all they could cover with any kind of cost effectiveness. (even then it would go into insolvency eventually because it is the Federal government we are talking about here. )

I should point out I LOVE the jab in bold. The left is splintering and they are slowly falling out of love with Obama. I love it. 2010 could be a very good year.

I am one of the minority of Catholics in my parish who consistently votes pro-life.

molonlabe28 on November 11, 2009 at 11:46 AM

How do you know how the majority of your fellow parishioners vote? The secrecy of the ballot is like the seal of the confessional.

Tax churches that lobby just like any lobbying group gets taxed.

Moesart on November 11, 2009 at 11:03 AM

I could be wrong—and correct me if I am—but I would guess that many, if not most, lobbying organizations are nonprofit and therefore not taxed.

But, at least the Catholic Church, for all of its many mistakes, is unabashedly pro-life, unlike some Protestant denominations, which are pro – Roe vs. Wade.

How a Christian denomination could be pro – abortion simply baffles me.

molonlabe28 on November 11, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Um, can you name a denominations that formally teaches that it is superior to the civil authority… that the civil authority should function at its behest… or that teaches it is a sin to believe that it should not be “the religion of the state to the exclusion of all other forms of worship”?

Now, when that bishop in 2008 was threatening RC with the possible loss of salvation for voting pro-Choice, a lot of attaboys went up around here… I asked what happens when they start making “other” moral issues a matter of “sin”?

Since the post-Council documents of Vatican II teach that lay Catholics must “submit will and intellect” to BOTH pope and Bishop when they teach clearly and consistently on matters of faith or morals… there isn’t much room to complain about the bishops’ (or the vatican’s) complicity here.

Second, there is a big difference between “outlawing abortion” and mandating that it not be covered by a health insurance plan. I have my doubts that Kennedy would rule against prohibiting cost sharing for a medical procedure that is not necessary to save one’s life (might rule differently if Amendment is too broad). Have there been any states that have outlawed insurance covering abortions? I.E. Yes you can have an abortion, but you have to pay for the procedure out of your own pocket. If yes, what has been the fate of those laws in court?

Whenever the Catholic Church (or a division of it like the College of American Bishops) engages in politics, IT IS ALWAYS WRONG.

I am one of the minority of Catholics in my parish who consistently votes pro-life.

Like all Christian churches, the Catholic Church is part Gdo and part man.

The God part is always good and right and the man part sometimes makes mistakes.

But, at least the Catholic Church, for all of its many mistakes, is unabashedly pro-life, unlike some Protestant denominations, which are pro – Roe vs. Wade.

How a Christian denomination could be pro – abortion simply baffles me.

Doesn’t the amendment just maintain the status quo of not allowing federal funds to go towards abortion? So, people who want abortions have to pay for them out of pocket, just like they already do.What’s unconstitutional about that?BadgerHawk on November 10, 2009 at 7:58 PM

–It does more than that. Under current law, some states pay for abortions not covered by Medicare and they use segregated funds to do that. This amendment would not let them do that going forward. It also may stop many employer provided health insurance programs from offering abortion, because employers can\’t take advantage of a $10 billion government-provided fund to cover early retirees and may not be able to take advantage of wellness grants provided by the government. It also requires, in some situations, two almost-identical plans to be offered on the exchanges–one with abortion coverage and the other without.

“The clergy should stay off Capitol Hill.”

And Libtards should stay off of major news channels.

KyMouse on November 11, 2009 at 8:43 AM

Well said.

My wife volunteers at a crisis pregnancy center and over half of the girls who come in are under pressure to abort by their parents (or they’ll be kicked out of the house), boyfriends (or they’ll be dumped) or husbands (or they’ll be divorced. I have always followed pro-life issues rather closely and never gave much thought to the extent of how “free” the “choice” is for many women until my wife shared some of her experiences.

Here’s one for you: there is a public high school in our area with an outstanding academic reputation. It is located in a very wealthy area that is pretty conservative (it’s in Tom Delay’s old district). There are more than a few boys in the school who contribute to an “abortion fund” that they can draw from to get things “taken care of.”

There’s a reason that support for abortion polls better among men than it does women (look it up). AnnInCA’s friends do not represent women as a whole, that’s for sure.

Both, therefore, are in the power of the Church, that is to say, the spiritual and the material sword, but the former is to be administered for the Church but the latter by the Church; the former in the hands of the priest; the latter by the hands of kings and soldiers, but at the will and sufferance of the priest.

However, one sword ought to be subordinated to the other and temporal authority, subjected to spiritual power. For since the Apostle said: ‘There is no power except from God and the things that are, are ordained of God’ [Rom 13:1-2], but they would not be ordained if one sword were not subordinated to the other and if the inferior one, as it were, were not led upwards by the other. -Boniface VIII

Don’t blame me… I just quotes ‘em.

(Remember that when you’re quoting the Koran)

I cannot express how sick I am of the entire abortion issue. I read an article today pointing out it’s the longest-running debate (short of slavery) ever.

AnninCA on November 10, 2009 at 7:58 PM

And I cannot express how sick I am of people who were blessed to have mothers who let them live, but who won’t bother to become informed about abortion. Since 1973 alone, more than 51 million babies have been deliberately killed; does that make you yawn, Ann?

If you won’t give a damn about the babies, how about their mothers? During this age of “safe, legal” abortion, many mothers have been injured or even killed in licensed abortuaries. Do you have the courage to Google “Synthia Dennard” and “Lou Ann Herron”? They are two of the many. Please stop yawning for a moment and read about what happened to them at the hands of “safe, legal” abortionists.

And how about taking a few minutes out of your busy day to visit a crisis-pregnancy center to see how they help the mothers? Many of those mothers are under great pressure to abort their babies — where is their “choice”? Does it bother you at all that six out of every ten abortions aren’t the mother’s choice at all, but rather the choice of the baby’s father, her own parents, etc.? Or that murder is one of the leading, and sometimes the leading cause of death for pregnant women?

Today, another 3,000 or so babies will be killed in abortuaries across this country, and mothers will be heartbroken and changed forever. And you just don’t can’t be bothered to give a damn.

n a story about why the U.S. Catholic Bishops have embraced Democratic-style universal health care, the Los Angeles Times noted that the Roman Catholic Church considers healthcare a basic human right, “a position the church has articulated since 1963, when it was included in a papal encyclical by Pope John XXIII.” Indeed, healthcare is declared a right in the “Peace on Earth” encyclical. That is also the basis of Obamacare.

The group Catholic Democrats has hailed passage of H.R. 3962, the Affordable Health Care for America Act of 2009, and notes that the only House Republican voting for it, Representative Joseph Cao of Louisiana, is a Catholic and former Jesuit seminarian. “The Catholic Church has been at the forefront of advocating for health care as a right for decades, including pastoral letters issued by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) in 1981 and 1993,” the group notes.

The evidence indicates that the Bishops-and the Vatican itself-are calling the shots behind the scene. In fact, as many media organizations are now reporting, they engineered the “compromise” that deleted abortion funding so the bill could pass the House. The Los Angeles Times reported that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a Catholic, not only “conferred with the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops to be sure the new restrictions were acceptable” but “consulted by telephone with a cardinal in Rome.”

CNN reported that, as a deal was being made between Pelosi and Catholic lobbyists, “Several Democrats, including Rep. Jason Altmire, D-Pennsylvania, said they are in touch with their Catholic Bishops back home. Altmire said he must have the approval of his bishop in Pittsburgh before he can vote yes.”

I cannot express how sick I am of the entire abortion issue. I read an article today pointing out it’s the longest-running debate (short of slavery) ever.

AnninCA on November 10, 2009 at 7:58 PM

That’s what happens in a democracy when one side imposes their view on the other via the court system. There wasn’t a controversy prior to Roe. Each state could have its own laws. That’s the way social issues should be handled in this country: at the local level. Unfortunately, the left has never been happy controlling mere states. They wanted it all and the SCOTUS was the way to get there.

I cannot express how sick I am of the entire abortion issue. I read an article today pointing out it’s the longest-running debate (short of slavery) ever.

AnninCA on November 10, 2009 at 7:58 PM

So sorry about your feelings. Imagine for a moment how those innocent little babies feel about it as they’re being torn from their “mother’s” womb or as Obama wants, left to die without food or water after they escape the abortionist’s horror chamber.

We have killed more innocent people than Hitler and Stalin combined and we should accept that quietly, because people like you are tired of hearing of the atrocious evil our nation does? Not as long as one dcent person is left alive will this evil go away from being condemned for what it is.

lets see the democrats dont want
Christians, jews or catholics on capitol hill
Nor do they want military veterans (nepalitano is afraid of them)..
Nor do they want honest capitolists..
Nor do they want any republicans, comnservatives, or especially teap party protestors (which are from all of the entire country)..

So that leaves the democrats with
Liars
Tax cheats
Swindlers
Lobbyists
communists
Islamic terrorists
Jihadist wannabes
drug dealers
Drug users (heck all of hollywood qualifies)
Traitors
Anti american
Anti capitolists
Anti freedom
Anti us constitutionalists..

Heck in really these are the only ones democrats and obama want to see and hire for the open positions in the senate, house and the whitehouse..

Sheesh and you wonder why our country is in such a mess in 9 months..

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…pushing women back into the back alleys to die.

Nobody is pushing anyone anywhere they didn’t go all by themselves, honey. Keep ‘em closed and nobody gets pregnant in the first place, and with the options both financial and legal these days, abortion is just the murderer’s way out.

I cannot express how sick I am of the entire abortion issue. I read an article today pointing out it’s the longest-running debate (short of slavery) ever.

AnninCA on November 10, 2009 at 7:58 PM

So, Ann, when did you have your abortion?

“Because … they’re American citizens, Chris? Entitled to petition for the redress of grievances?”

Perfect answer.

Don’t people get it? You’re only valuable to Obama, so long as you can help him achieve his agenda. After that….get yer hiney under that bus!