Who will get jurisdiction to try Hasan?

posted at 2:20 pm on November 9, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The answer to this question depends on how authorities see the murder of 13 people and wounding of dozens more on the Fort Hood military base last week.  If Nidal Hasan committed a mass murder, then the military would have jurisdiction.  However, if the Obama administration calls it a terrorist attack, then Johanna Neuman of the Los Angeles Times says that the Department of Justice might have overriding jurisdiction:

The question now: Who will prosecute him?

Tom Kenniff, a former Army JAG officer and Iraq war veteran who served in Tikrit, said Friday he thought the judge advocate general’s office on Ft. Hood will have exclusive jurisdiction over this case. “It’s possible he could also be charged by the Feds with committing an act of terrorism, but my guess is the Army will get first crack at him,” he said in an online chat for the Washington Post.

But Sunday, Connecticut Independent Joe Lieberman said the Homeland Security Committee he chairs will investigate whether federal officials missed any red flags that Hasan had become a terrorist threat. …

A finding of terrorism could trigger a decision by the Obama administration to take the case to federal court, and an admission that Hasan’s alleged action was the first act of terrorism on American soil since Sept. 11.

For those who see this as a terrorist act and want an execution, a military prosecution would probably prove less than satisfactory.  The military is usually reluctant to impose the death penalty, although that option is open to prosecutors.  They have not actually executed anyone for murder since 1961, although to be fair, they have not had this set of circumstances occur in that period, either.

However, the Obama administration may not be terribly anxious to declare this a terrorist attack, either.  With information leaking all over the place about red flags popping up and a lack of any action on them, declaring this a terrorist attack would focus a lot more attention on why the Obama administration failed to stop it.  Lieberman may demand a Congressional investigation, but a probe by this Congress would be unlikely to attack Barack Obama or his DoJ.  Besides, with the revelation about the FBI’s knowledge of Hasan’s attempts to contact al-Qaeda over the last few months, a Justice prosecution could become suspect.

For that matter, this also demonstrates the problem with terms like “terrorism” — and “hate crimes”.  The murder of 13 people and the wounding of dozens of others should be serious enough to carry with it the most severe penalties.  What would be gained by adding terrorism charges that don’t already exist with mass murder?  The motivation of Hasan may have some import for policy and security issues, but for a trial, it just muddies what are now crystal-clear waters.

In the end, I’d expect this to remain in the jurisdiction of the military.  It would cause less disruption, create fewer questions, and would almost certainly get expedited over a DoJ process.

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Why can’t he be tried by the military AND Texas? He committed those crimes on post, but one person (I think there was only one)died at Metroplex Hospital in Killeen. Does Texas not have jurisdiction over that case?

That would be great! Don’t know if they would take the time to do it that way. Maybe if he doesn’t get the death penalty under the UCMJ, he can get it in the Texas courts.

pugsly on November 9, 2009 at 4:47 PM

By the time this whole thing winds its way thru Congress, and the Administration actually stops dithering and does something, Hasan will have been tried and convicted under the UCMJ.

I R A Darth Aggie on November 9, 2009 at 4:49 PM

You really want to give to govt the power to bypass trails for people? If so, where does it stop?

MarkTheGreat on November 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Oh, please! Get off the soap box. People are just letting off steam and venting their frustrations. We are all well aware of the rights of the accused. This is a blog – not a lynching.

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Sue on November 9, 2009 at 4:43 PM

No prob, Sue.

I said it in my first post. People need to do some Googling, get some smarts on how the military justice system works, the differences and similarities to the civilian system, so when things start to develop, they’re ready.

I hate to be crass (and this isn’t directed at you, Sue) but military justice is not what you see on JAG or NCIS – which is one of the reasons I am baffled by those shows popularity. It’s almost all pure bullshinola.

*sorry for the tangent* :)

catmman on November 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM

I’ve got to say it again:

General population at Leavenworth.

Doorgunner on November 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM

In the interest of fairly contextualizing Hasan’s actions within a world that derides Islam as violent and demonizes Muslims as potential terrorists, I think Oprah should be given jurisdiction to try him.

Only Oprah will truly understand the teasing this brave man suffered. Only Oprah will take into account his natural reluctance to fight his fellow Muslims in Al Qaeda.

Only Oprah will understand the pressure this poor man suffered and see why he was compelled to take this shocking, but understandable direct action.

Ok – I’m being sarcastic, but I’ll bet some liberals feel this way.

uptight on November 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Why can’t he be tried by the military AND Texas? He committed those crimes on post, but one person (I think there was only one)died at Metroplex Hospital in Killeen. Does Texas not have jurisdiction over that case?

That would be great! Don’t know if they would take the time to do it that way. Maybe if he doesn’t get the death penalty under the UCMJ, he can get it in the Texas courts.

pugsly on November 9, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Because it’s counter productive, that’s why. Hell, with your line of thinking, you’ll probably demand he appear in traffic court to clear up his parking tickets, too.

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM

pugsly on November 9, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Perhaps he could, depending on how the legalese is drawn up.

But the military gets first crack at him.

catmman on November 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Stop being an asshole, I was just putting some thoughts out there.

pugsly on November 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM

I hate to be crass (and this isn’t directed at you, Sue) but military justice is not what you see on JAG or NCIS – which is one of the reasons I am baffled by those shows popularity. It’s almost all pure bullshinola.

catmman on November 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Actualy pretty simple… Civilians like it because the reality does not intrude on the entertainment…

While those of us who know a bit about the Military Jusstice System… find it Amusing… and thus entertaining.

Romeo13 on November 9, 2009 at 4:56 PM

I don’t care where he fries, as long as he fries. I was just hoping Texas would have the final shot at him in the event the other 2 jurisdictions screwed up. I don’t watch jag shows. And if the civilian hadn’t been involved, I wouldn’t have thought Texas would have jurisdiction at all, since it was on a military base with military deaths, with the exception of the one civilian.

Sue on November 9, 2009 at 4:57 PM

People have been on military death row for years and I’m not sure why there’s no push to execute them. At one time the racial disparity (i.e. more blacks than whites) probably had some bearing on the lack of aggressiveness to put these animal down.

All of them have been convicted of murder with extenuating circumstances (rape, torture, multiple murders, gross indifference to life, etc) that landed them on death row.

I personally investigated two murderers and testified at their trials. Neither were considered for the death sentence simply because they only committed murder.

E9RET on November 9, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Ok – I’m being sarcastic, but I’ll bet some liberals feel this way.

uptight on November 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Sarcastic or not, I think that is what a civilian trial would turn into.

fourdeucer on November 9, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Romeo13 on November 9, 2009 at 4:56 PM

I….guess so.

I think it’s ridiculous, but everytime I catch my wife watching NCIS, it does give me a chuckle how outright ridiculous it is.

No harm, no foul though. :)

catmman on November 9, 2009 at 4:59 PM

I do, however, watch Leroy Jethro Gibbs. And don’t bother telling me it isn’t true either. I don’t care. ::grin::

Sue on November 9, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Mark:

First of all lets get one thing straight. My origianl comment was this

It is very simple. 1 bullet cost about $.60. Cost of a trial even in a military court…more than $.60. Need I say more?

milwife88 on November 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM

To which you said

He’s a US citizen, regardless of what he is accused of, regardless of the amount of evidence against him. He gets his day in court. That is a principle that must be upheld, for all of our sakes.

MarkTheGreat on November 9, 2009 at 2:36 PM

TO which I said

My point is there is no need in my mind for a trial. There are numerous witnesses to this act of murder and violence. Why should we waste our time and money trying this guy when the evidence proves that he is guilty beyond any resonable doubt. Why give this animal any opportunity to build some “oh people were mean to me” or the “daddy didn’t love me enough” defense and walk away with a slap on the wrist and maybe some time in a mental hospital. “F” that. I understand “due process” even if in this situation I do not agree with it. He did it plain and simple.

milwife88 on November 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Emphasis added. In my mind. Which means it is my opinion. No where did I attack the Constitution I did however express my opinion which BTW is exactally what people do here including yourself.

Here is your SANCTIMONIOUS BS that I called you on.

If you want to set the precedent that the law applies to some people and not to others, then you are violating the oath that your husband took.

MarkTheGreat on November 9, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Once again, no where did I refer to the constitution BS.
Personally I really think that you “called me out” only because of my military family. OH and BTW accusing me of going against an oath my husband took that has nothing to do with me only shows how low people like you will stoop. I’m done with you.

milwife88 on November 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM

I’ve got to say it again:

General population at Leavenworth.

Doorgunner on November 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Yup. Probably the closest he’d get to being put to sleep.
On the other hand – putting this creep down would make him a martyr. And I do NOT want him to become a martyr.

uncivilized on November 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Obama should pardon him. Then we can just impeach him and be done with it.

Jim Treacher on November 9, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Sue on November 9, 2009 at 4:57 PM

I too, don’t care who fries him – as long as they do.

catmman on November 9, 2009 at 5:01 PM

but everytime I catch my wife watching NCIS, it does give me a chuckle how outright ridiculous it is.

catmman on November 9, 2009 at 4:59 PM

I’m a retired USAF criminal investigator and the only NIS/NCIS agents I ever met were mainly concerned about getting promoted to another agency and avoidig sea duty ;-)

E9RET on November 9, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Oh, please! Get off the soap box. People are just letting off steam and venting their frustrations. We are all well aware of the rights of the accused. This is a blog – not a lynching.

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Someone claiming that we should dump the constitution in order to save money on trials, is just letting off steam.
Pointing out that we shouldn’t let our passions cause us to abandon the rule of law is somehow beyond the pale of polite conversation.

Yea, right.

MarkTheGreat on November 9, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Send him to GTMO.

Otis B on November 9, 2009 at 5:03 PM

E9RET on November 9, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Stop it. Stop it right now. I will not have my fantasy ruined by the truth.

Sue on November 9, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Why is everyone so fired up to fry this guy? Will it make up for everything and cause the scary Moops to go away? Savor the fact the he is paralyzed from the neck down and is now a prisoner of his own skin. Just hope someone leaves his dribble straw askew and calls him a pathetic Muslim fu*k every day.

BL@KBIRD on November 9, 2009 at 5:04 PM

On the other hand – putting this creep down would make him a martyr. And I do NOT want him to become a martyr.

uncivilized on November 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Simple enough. Just toss a pig on top of his casket before backfilling. That way, his soul never gets to heaven.

Or, don’t bury him after death for at least a week. Muslims have to be buried within 24 hours or…no heaven.

No heaven, no martyrdom, no virgies…..

Shake it baby!

BobMbx on November 9, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Once again, no where did I refer to the constitution BS.
Personally I really think that you “called me out” only because of my military family. OH and BTW accusing me of going against an oath my husband took that has nothing to do with me only shows how low people like you will stoop. I’m done with you.

milwife88 on November 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Do you normally descend to such levels of paranoia? Or is today something special.
I called you out, because you were the only one who felt that we should trash the constitution in order to save money.

As to your claim that I called you out because of your military connection, if you can find a single post in which I have trashed the military, please, bring it forward. I have a long history of posting here at HA and there are many posts for you to check.

I stand by everything I have said, and my once high opinion of you falls ever further as you continue to try and defend the indefensible.

It doesn’t matter whether it was just your opinion that the constitution should be voided in order to advance efficiency, or whether you were making an actual proposal. You put forth the notion, and it is a notion that cannot be allowed to stand.

MarkTheGreat on November 9, 2009 at 5:05 PM

E9RET on November 9, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Word.

I am a recently retired (1 November – ONE WHOLE WEEK NOW) USAF Combat Arms supervisor who was a LE Spec for my first 10 years in.

The only thing I ever saw an any hoity-toity military ‘Special Agent’ worried about was how cool their “concealment vests” looked.

I kid, I kid. :)

catmman on November 9, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Sue on November 9, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Heh.

catmman on November 9, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Stop being an asshole, I was just putting some thoughts out there.

pugsly on November 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM

he can’t help it, it’s just who he is.

MarkTheGreat on November 9, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Sue on November 9, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Sorry, fantasy preserved, promise!! ;-)

E9RET on November 9, 2009 at 5:07 PM

I do, however, watch Leroy Jethro Gibbs. And don’t bother telling me it isn’t true either. I don’t care. ::grin::

Sue on November 9, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Yeah, but Jethro, Grandma, and Ellie May ( goin skinny dippin in the ce-ment pond) was more realistic…

Romeo13 on November 9, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Word.

I am a recently retired (1 November – ONE WHOLE WEEK NOW) USAF Combat Arms supervisor who was a LE Spec for my first 10 years in.

The only thing I ever saw an any hoity-toity military ‘Special Agent’ worried about was how cool their “concealment vests” looked.

I kid, I kid. :)

catmman on November 9, 2009 at 5:06 PM

You’re just bummed because we got to wear civies and play with MP-5s!!!

E9RET on November 9, 2009 at 5:09 PM

I would bring him to Australia and leave him in the outback somewhere in 115 degree heat with no water or food.

No need for a bullet or a rope or a needle.

Crux Australis on November 9, 2009 at 5:10 PM

catmman on November 9, 2009 at 5:06 PM

The show that REALLY cracks me up is the one that tries to make JAGs into super dooper Secret Agents…

I was on the wrong end of a couple of JAG investigation back in my Navy days… I WISH they had been that smart..

Romeo13 on November 9, 2009 at 5:10 PM

catmman on November 9, 2009 at 5:06 PM

PS congrats on your retirement, I punched in 95.

E9RET on November 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM

I recall that Timmothy McVeigh could have been tried state and federal (and there is no double jeopardy for doing so because the federal charges are different than the state charges). I suspect a similar analysis will take place in this case.

McVeigh was tried by the feds. You can expect the feds will try Hasan. Texas may get a second bite at that apple after that trial is over.

Mr. Joe on November 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Why can’t he be tried by the military AND Texas? He committed those crimes on post, but one person (I think there was only one)died at Metroplex Hospital in Killeen. Does Texas not have jurisdiction over that case?

That would be great! Don’t know if they would take the time to do it that way. Maybe if he doesn’t get the death penalty under the UCMJ, he can get it in the Texas courts.

pugsly on November 9, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Because it’s counter productive, that’s why. Hell, with your line of thinking, you’ll probably demand he appear in traffic court to clear up his parking tickets, too.

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Oh, please! Get off the soap box. People are just letting off steam and venting their frustrations. We are all well aware of the rights of the accused. This is a blog – not a lynching.

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 4:50 PM

’nuff said! ;)

pugsly on November 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM

I’m a retired USAF criminal investigator and the only NIS/NCIS agents I ever met were mainly concerned about getting promoted to another agency and avoidig sea duty ;-)

E9RET on November 9, 2009 at 5:02 PM

NIS..somebody stole my motorcycle right on Charleston Naval Base. The NIS agent assigned to the crime first interogated me to discover if I had used drugs, if I knew anyone in the navy who did, did I sell drugs, did I know anyone in the Navy who did, etc…

After about an hour of feeling like a member of a Colombian drug cartel, we then went to the scene of the crime, where after ~30 mins of forensic work, he pronounced that my motorcycle was, in fact, stolen approximately 2 days earlier, and I was SOL.

It was on that day I knew I could be a crime Kingpin in the Navy and not worry about being caught, but I had other plans for my future.

BobMbx on November 9, 2009 at 5:12 PM

’nuff said! ;)

pugsly on November 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Good catch

MarkTheGreat on November 9, 2009 at 5:13 PM

This is the problem with the USMC. As people should know, some federal courts suck, e.g., 9th Circuit and 3rd Circuit. Because Leavenworth is in Kansas, it’s covered by the 10th Circuit. The lower federal court in the 10th circuit would be the USDC in Kansas. Kansas suxs for the DP.

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Ooh, better idea! How about we let TEXAS do it since there’s jurisdictional battle between the feds and the military!

Kidding. Even if this is considered terrorism, and it probably is, Hasan was a military officer. He should be subject to UCMJ.

Red Cloud on November 9, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Anybody see a Presidential pardon on the horizon?

NoFanofLibs on November 9, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Okay, I’m leaving this thread before my fantasy world goes kaput.

Congrats, catmman, on your retirement. On behalf of a grateful nation, thank you for your service.

I’ll be back on Wednesday to thank all our vets for their service.

Sue on November 9, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Quit trashing NCIS, Ziva David is wonder woman to this old man.

fourdeucer on November 9, 2009 at 5:17 PM

catmman

it’s been years since I’ve been in the military and you could be right in your assessment that the military gets first crack. When I went through military police training at Fort Gordon, Ga. years and years ago, it was “understood” that a military man committing an offense against civilians (and this would include situations where crimes were committed jointly against the military and civilians) that the civilians would get first crack. Whether this was a “reciprocity” agreement, a “handshake” or a firm law I’ll never know. But this was done to avoid problems between base personnel of which there were plenty including many brawls involving broken bottles, fisted church keys (quite a weapon) knives, etc. Of course there were always some jurisdictional conflicts. (I believe the military is better behaved today than when I was in–LOL).

MaiDee on November 9, 2009 at 5:17 PM

’nuff said! ;)

pugsly on November 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Yawn. You weren’t letting off steam. You were serious.

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Anybody see a Presidential pardon on the horizon?

NoFanofLibs on November 9, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Please, don’t give him any ideas.

MarkTheGreat on November 9, 2009 at 5:17 PM

pugsly on November 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Yawn. You weren’t letting off steam. You were serious.

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 5:17 PM

He’s the Shadow, he knows what’s on other men’s minds.

MarkTheGreat on November 9, 2009 at 5:18 PM

He’s the Shadow, he knows what’s on other men’s minds.

MarkTheGreat on November 9, 2009 at 5:18 PM

RAAACCCCIIIIISSSSTTTTT!

Romeo13 on November 9, 2009 at 5:20 PM

MaiDee on November 9, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Misdemeanors, and maybe some felonies, but I have never heard of the military ceding jurisdiction of murder of fellow servicemen or servicewomen that occurred on a military base.

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Back a pig up to his cell every day and let it take a dump on him.

Find at least 6 infadels that are lifers in prison and let them gang rape him noght and day.

Put boogers in his Koran.

44Magnum on November 9, 2009 at 5:21 PM

He’s the Shadow, he knows what’s on other men’s minds.

MarkTheGreat on November 9, 2009 at 5:18 PM

No, I’m just not an idiot like you.

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Okay, So Hasan is not first

Caststeel on November 9, 2009 at 5:23 PM

No, I’m just not an idiot like you.

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Hmm, not only do you know what everyone else is thinking, you set yourself up as the standard for intelligence.

Anyone who disagrees with you is stupid. Everyone who doesn’t is smart.

Do you have any other super powers that you wish to share with the class?

MarkTheGreat on November 9, 2009 at 5:23 PM

This is the Second Attack on the Army under Obama. June 9, 2009. Link won’t work for whatever.

Caststeel on November 9, 2009 at 5:24 PM

pugsly on November 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Yawn. You weren’t letting off steam. You were serious.

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 5:17 PM

He’s the Shadow, he knows what’s on other men’s minds.

MarkTheGreat on November 9, 2009 at 5:18 PM

And on women’s. lol

pugsly on November 9, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Misdemeanors, and maybe some felonies, but I have never heard of the military ceding jurisdiction of murder of fellow servicemen or servicewomen that occurred on a military base.

I know I said I was leaving before any more damage to Jethro could be done, but this caught my eye.

Could the military try him for the 12 military personnel and cede jurisdiction to Texas on the one civilian death? That way, if something went wrong in the military trial, there would still be one left to try? Just a thought.

Sue on November 9, 2009 at 5:30 PM

declaring this a terrorist attack would focus a lot more attention on why the Obama administration failed to stop it.

Gee, now wouldn’t that be a surprise! And isn’t this the administration that says that “terrorism” IS A POLICE PROBLEM?

GarandFan on November 9, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Don’t think for a minute that Governor Perry and AG Abbott won’t challenge this Administration if they think the military or the feds are dithering in their prosecution of this guy. Ordinarily, the state courts would defer to the military and federal courts under these circumstances, but if the FBI is already being told to not investigate this case as a terrorist attack, then we know that this Administration, whether AG Holder or the President himself have already decided to downplay this thing in order to maintain their law enforcement model for “man-made disasters.” They will not let anything threaten their return to a September 10th mentality for their San Fran/Berkeley constituents. And the military may have a great deal to hide with regard to how this jihadist stayed free to wreak this havoc.

Yeah, bet you bottom dollar that Governor Perry and AG Abbott will be paying close attention to how this guy is treated, and will raise a pretty big stink politically if it looks like this guy is going to end up in some cushy federal pen for the rest of his miserable life.

Mongo Mere Pawn on November 9, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Blake

All of the crimes and misdemeanors I described occurred off base in Augusta, Ga or neighboring South Carolina and none involved murder. But I have been hearing conflicting jurisdictional stories from lawyers on TV. It will be interesting. Personally I’m rooting for Texas because the military hasn’t executed anyone for years.

MaiDee on November 9, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.
- General Casey

The end of “diversity” as a fetish object is “worse” than the massacre at Ft. Hood? Think about it. The general in charge of the Army is saying that if we, as a people, stop worshipping diversity above all and start protecting our soldiers and ourselves from the teachings and goals of Islam,that’s “worse” than the carnage at Ft. Hood.

Fire Gen. Casey. His duty is to diversity, not his troops.
- Diana West

If General George S. Patton were to come back from the dead, he would slap General Casey 6 ways to Sunday and bust him down to Private E-Nothing.

MB4 on November 9, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Army. General Court under the UCMJ.

mojo on November 9, 2009 at 5:45 PM

MarkTheGreat on November 9, 2009 at 5:23 PM

How many times are you going to prove that you ara an idiot in this thread? Once was enough.

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 5:47 PM

There should be NO question as to who has jurisdiction over this animal. He was a US Army Major. The military should take care of this. The pathetic LIB morons wanting to destroy our country will try to get him tried at Starbucks, but if that happens, someone will take a well placed shot at this maggot. This country has gone crazy! Jug Ears has already had that Dick Head Crook Holder stick the FBI into the middle of this. Why weren’t they arresting this maggot before he was able to kill 13 of our brave men and women? Time for revolution!

Deacon on November 9, 2009 at 5:49 PM

The Military still hangs murders doesn’t it? ‘Course it’ll never happen with O’Bambi in a position to stop it.

conservativecaveman on November 9, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Back a pig up to his cell every day and let it take a dump on him.

Find at least 6 infadels that are lifers in prison and let them gang rape him noght and day.

Put boogers in his Koran.

44Magnum on November 9, 2009 at 5:21 PM

And videos of Porky Pig in his cell.

Cybergeezer on November 9, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Awake and able to talk. Interrogate or read his rights?

clorensen on November 9, 2009 at 5:51 PM

And before Texas gets the rights to execute this guy, make sure he knows that the WOMAN who shot him is a national hero! That ought to mess with his martyr complex!

2nd Ammendment Mother on November 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Army. General Court under the UCMJ.

mojo on November 9, 2009 at 5:45 PM

This has been condemned as RAAAACIST under the New Dept. of Justice.

Cybergeezer on November 9, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Waterboarding while still on an I.V. ? eh, why not.

johnnyU on November 9, 2009 at 5:55 PM

And before Texas gets the rights to execute this guy, make sure he knows that the WOMAN who shot him is a national hero! That ought to mess with his martyr complex!

2nd Ammendment Mother on November 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM

And make sure he has a woman judge, jury, and executioner.
PERFECT!

Cybergeezer on November 9, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Why do we lose loved ones to horrific diseases and scum like this gets to live? hmmm? God help me understsand this.

johnnyU on November 9, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Right now the nurses have jurisdiction. He is on a catheter and slobbering down the chin. He is dependent on a nurse dealing with him including cleaning him up. If he is pardoned, he will have trouble getting dates at the strip joint.

seven on November 9, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Blake

All of the crimes and misdemeanors I described occurred off base in Augusta, Ga or neighboring South Carolina and none involved murder. But I have been hearing conflicting jurisdictional stories from lawyers on TV. It will be interesting. Personally I’m rooting for Texas because the military hasn’t executed anyone for years.

MaiDee on November 9, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Well, they’re wrong. I’ve never seen a state court take a case that happened on base. If it happened off base, the state court took it. Texas won’t take this case. However, I’m starting to think Texas would be faster. They average about 10 years. The problem with the USMC is like I said earlier – they are housed at Leavenworth which puts them in the 10th Circuit. The 5th Circuit (Texas) is great.

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 5:59 PM

johnnyU on November 9, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Mysterious ways. Ours is truly the religion of peace.

clorensen on November 9, 2009 at 6:00 PM

The man is a pig and deserves to die for his crime. My prayers are for the injured and the families of the dead. God Bless them all.

conservativecaveman on November 9, 2009 at 6:00 PM

And before Texas gets the rights to execute this guy, make sure he knows that the WOMAN who shot him is a national hero! That ought to mess with his martyr complex!

2nd Ammendment Mother on November 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM

And make sure he has a woman judge, jury, and executioner.
PERFECT!

Cybergeezer on November 9, 2009 at 5:56 PM

I was in a court where a defendant file a motion called something like Motion Because Too Many Women. The judge, baliff, court reporter, district attorney, and public defender were all women and he didn’t like it. lol!

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 6:02 PM

The military should take care of this.

Deacon on November 9, 2009 at 5:49 PM

i am not so sure right now that I would agree anymore. The way the Army has been acting lately, worshiping at the alter of diversity and it’s See no Islam, Hear no Islam, Know no Islam, I think I might rather have him tried by a jury of American citizens, probably in Texas, rather than by Army court martial.

MB4 on November 9, 2009 at 6:04 PM

For those who see this as a terrorist act and want an execution, a military prosecution would probably prove less than satisfactory. The military is usually reluctant to impose the death penalty, although that option is open to prosecutors.

This piece of crap oughtta be hung up on a meat hook. He is nothing more than a traitor. The military and federal government need to put a little lead in the glove when giving it to this guy.

Rattl3r on November 9, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Q: What will happen?
A: Whatever Obama decides is best for him politically.

That will probably mean a military trial–even though Obama has called military justice “a legal black hole”. Just like he called Bush a criminal who was eavesdropping on innocent Americans, even though Obama was listening to Hasan’s phone calls, too. He just didn’t do anything about it.

On the other hand, Holder may want to control this by prosecuting it. The defense attorneys would then be torn between protecting Obama and defending their client.

There’s a reason for all the Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder stuff; if he’s crazy, this is a lone wacko, not terrorism. And the deeply, desperately need this not to be terrorism.

Noel on November 9, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Who will get jurisdiction to try Hasan?

Trial ? What trial? What are we talking about ?

Hasan has already been tried on Larry King Alive and found innocent by reason of PTSD. The WH has offered him a job as Jihad Czar, but Hasan’s lawyer is holding out for more automatic weapons.
Now its time to charge and punish the person who shot Hasan.
Focus people , focus
FUBO

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macncheez on November 9, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Where’s that murdering nurse when you need her?

faol on November 9, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Who will get jurisdiction to try Hasan?

The feds. It was just confirmed that he sent emails to Al Qaeda.

mizflame98 on November 9, 2009 at 6:50 PM

It was just confirmed that he sent emails to Al Qaeda.

mizflame98 on November 9, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Whats wrong with that. He was just communicating with a fellow doctor
Ayman AlZawahiri !

macncheez on November 9, 2009 at 6:54 PM

I think I might rather have him tried by a jury of American citizens, probably in Texas, rather than by Army court martial.

MB4 on November 9, 2009 at 6:04 PM

I think I might rather have him take the role of the deer in the lion’s cage at the National Zoo that is all over the place today.

highhopes on November 9, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Whats wrong with that. He was just communicating with a fellow doctor
Ayman AlZawahiri !

macncheez on November 9, 2009 at 6:54 PM

I’m so sick of the spin. The mosque where he and the 9/11/01 hijackers worshiped was out there condemning with one statement and then bashing Israel with the next. Apparently they condemn a radical Muslim gunning down innocent Americans but the victims had it coming since the US supports Israel.

Not all Muslims are terrorists but virtually all terrorists are Muslims. Until that is understood and we stop treating Islam like we do a Christians and Jews these “surprise” atrocities will continue. Society needs to be able to differentiate between peaceful Muslims and radical Muslims without the PC police getting into the act.

Also got to figure out whether or not the filthy lying coward in the White House is a peaceful Muslim or a radical Muslim.

highhopes on November 9, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Also got to figure out whether or not the filthy lying coward in the White House is a peaceful Muslim or a radical Muslim.

highhopes on November 9, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Peaceful Muslim ?
Now thats an oxymoron

Look at world history

macncheez on November 9, 2009 at 7:02 PM

I think I might rather have him take the role of the deer in the lion’s cage at the National Zoo that is all over the place today.

highhopes on November 9, 2009 at 6:54 PM

What’s all over the place–the news of the incident or the deer?

Liam on November 9, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Military Tribunal, then hanging with a 14-strand pigskin* noose.

One cord for each of the slaughtered.

(Since a woman victim was pregnant).

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*So that Traitor Hasan would know he wasn’t going to get any rewards in the Islamic afterlife, having died ‘unclean’.

profitsbeard on November 9, 2009 at 7:06 PM

My my, this certainly puts Obama in a quandary, doesn’t it? If he admits this was a terrorist attack, he gives Eric Holder control of the case and can go easy on poor misunderstood Hasan, but he also admits that there was a major terrorist attack on American soil less than a year into his presidency. If he avoids that particular embarrassment, then the military has control of the case and their brand of justice is unlikely to be much as forgiving, about which Obama’s lefty buddies will whine that it makes America look brutal and discriminatory toward Muslims. No-win situation for Obama, isn’t it? Because after all, this is all about him.

Animator Girl on November 9, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Why is there any question? Why don’t they classify it as treason and shoot the SOB?

ultracon on November 9, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Best to let Texas handle this one.

bigjack on November 9, 2009 at 7:15 PM

House him in Gen Pop with a K-Y dispenser attached to his back.

Aviator on November 9, 2009 at 7:17 PM

In the end, I’d expect this to remain in the jurisdiction of the military. It would cause less disruption, create fewer questions, and would almost certainly get expedited over a DoJ process.

Indeed, which is why they’ll take it to Justice. This administration is inept and evil toward America.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse.
- General Casey

Good God!!! There is a fu*king idiot in charge!!! We can’t do a day without a gay? We can’t take a sh1t without a sh1te? Some civilian slap the idiots face!

BL@KBIRD on November 9, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Unless there has been a seriously drastic change to the Uniform Code Of Military Justice, this was a homicidal act by a Commissioned Army Officer against other soldiers on a U.S. Army base.

This means that this Officer, regardless of his background or religion or past or current offiliations, should be tried by a Military Tribunal, sentenced by the same Tribunal and because this did occur during a wartime situation, the only viable sentence here is death by firing squad.

Not what is there not to understand here?

pilamaye on November 9, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Fox news just said it will be Military.

Vera on November 9, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Fox is reporting he’ll be tried in military court.

HondaV65 on November 9, 2009 at 7:40 PM

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