Greg Q on November 10, 2009

I hope you’re right but you appear to have far more faith in pro life Democrats than I have. They are Democrats uber alles and will ultimately do as their leaders tell them in sufficient numbers to win.

The benefits of Obamacare just keep on coming.
As you will recall, the administration announced that the messiah’s hijacking of nearly 20% of the nation’s economy will improve the environment by reducing America’s contributions to CO…

Stupak got his vote, and won. If his Amendment is reversed without a vote, then he will be back in the position of “not having a vote”.

If he folds, no pro-life group will defend him, and most to all of them will condemn him.

Would the pro-choice Democrats fold like a cheap tent? Yes. They’re more left wing, and therefore more interested in government run health care.

The pro-life Democrats are the ones least likely to desperately want government run health care, and so the ones least likely to fold.

You’re wrong, just like you were wrong when you said the Republicans should have voted “Present”. If it comes back from Reconciliation with abortion funding back in, it will lose.

Obama hints: Stupak Amendment will have to go
Lest you think I’m reading too much into that, note that ABC is reading it the same way.
Ed noted earlier that a war is brewing between pro-life Blue Dogs and
pro-choice liberals over the final……

I would be so ashamed!

Those with no conscience feel no shame. Nancy Pelosi has long lost her ability to emphasize with anyone but herself.

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YES!!!

justltl on November 9, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Should Be + 1. Good Posts!!!

Any fifth grader with a computer should be able to hack into the records and pull up future Democrap Presidential Candidates medical records and find out if, Bill Clintoon for instance, had the clap and a bent tool,

Pinnochio had nose surgery from too much coke use or which Dem women have had prior abortions!

That’s the plus of Obamacare

I understand how you feel, however…

Bart Stupak himself said in a townhall meeting in Cheboygan about two weeks ago that all he wanted was Pelosi to allow the bill to be brought to a vote on the House floor. After that, it did matter whether passed or failed for he was planning to vote for it anyway.

I think it should be pointed out that even if the Republicans voted present and the Stupak Amendment sunk that would not have changed a thing and it still would have passed

If this were truly the case, then Nancy would have never done the stupak dance in the first place, there wasnt a need to under your assertion.

This:

Such as it now Bart Stupak and his coalition are stuck in a situation where they must vote no against the bill when the amendment

Should be:

Such as it now Bart Stupak and his coalition are stuck in a situation where they must vote no against the bill when the amendment is stripped.

Explain to me like I’m a five year-old why pro life Democrats would have voted to kill the bill if Republicans had all voted “present” on Stupak, but those same Democrats will vote to pass the bill that comes out committee if it doesn’t include Stupak? And “political pressure” doesn’t really count for much, because if political pressure could have swayed the vote, it would have done so the first time around.

I am not going to treat anyone like a five year old, but it was obvious that Pelosi did not have the votes needed in the house to pass this thing without the Stupak amendment. Because if she did have the votes we would never have done the Stupak dance in the first place.

I think the House Repubs did the right thing by staying true to principle. Mr. Morrissey pointed out in the other thread on this subject the Republicans had a long-term plan in mind, something I consider wise.

Such as it now Bart Stupak and his coalition are stuck in a situation where they must vote no against the bill when the amendment. If they don’t their legislative careers are over. The Republicans drew the line in the sand, now the Stupak Coalition must decide if they will stick to principle or flip over and burn in ’10 for it.

There now. We’re both liars Obama!