Obama hints: Stupak Amendment will have to go; Update: Trust in Pelosi, says Planned Parenthood chief

posted at 6:28 pm on November 9, 2009 by Allahpundit

Alternate headline: “Rabidly pro-choice president sides with pro-choicers.”

TAPPER: Here’s a question a lot of Senate Democrats want to know. You said, when you gave your joint address to Congress, that under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions. This amendment passed Saturday night which not only prohibits abortion coverage in the public option, but also prohibits women who receive subsidies from taking out plans that — that provide abortion coverage. Does that meet the promise that you set out or does it over reach, does it go too far?

OBAMA: You know, I laid out a very simple principle, which is this is a health care bill, not an abortion bill. And we’re not looking to change what is the principle that has been in place for a very long time, which is federal dollars are not used to subsidize abortions. And I want to make sure that the provision that emerges meets that test — that we are not in some way sneaking in funding for abortions, but, on the other hand, that we’re not restricting women’s insurance choices, because one of the pledges I made in that same speech was to say that if you’re happy and satisfied with the insurance that you have, that it’s not going to change. So, you know, this is going to be a complex set of negotiations. I’m confident that we can actually arrive at this place where neither side feels that it’s being betrayed. But it’s going to take some time.

TAPPER: Do you think that amendment is status quo or does it lean a little bit in one direction or the other?

OBAMA: I think that there are strong feelings on both sides. And what that tells me is that there needs to be some more work before we get to the point where we’re not changing the status quo. And that’s the goal. The goal here is to make sure that people who have health insurance have greater stability and security, people who don’t have health insurance get the ability to buy it affordably and that we’re driving down costs.

Lest you think I’m reading too much into that, note that ABC is reading it the same way. Ed noted earlier that a war is brewing between pro-life Blue Dogs and pro-choice liberals over the final bill, but does anyone seriously believe the pro-lifers will hold their ground and torpedo it if the abortion language is stripped out? For all the press he got in anti-abortion circles, Stupak himself was prepared to vote for this crap sandwich without the ban on funding abortion; all he wanted was a floor vote, which means all it cost Pelosi to pass the bill was some ephemeral unpleasantness in the caucus room. The language will be duly dumped in conference committee and Stupak et al. will crumble under the weight of media heavy-breathing about how Democrats are now closer than they’ve ever been to passing the glorious utopian Great Society boondoggle of their dreams. They’ll fold like a two-dollar chair.

The excerpt is from Tapper’s interview with Obama, as you might have guessed. In case you’re wondering what the biggest lie told was, my nomination is this:

Obama said Democrat Bill Owens victory in the special election in New York’s 23rd congressional district, the one bright spot for the president’s party last Tuesday, “sent an important signal.”

“Bill Owens, the Democrat in a traditionally Republican district, a district that had been Republican for 100 years, did not shy away from saying he supported health insurance reform, that he supported the Recovery Act and the progress that we have made there and ended up winning,” Obama said.

Exit question: Um, what?

Update: Via Greg Hengler, the head of Planned Parenthood knows who the strong horse and the weak horse here are.


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Doctor Zhivago on November 9, 2009 at 6:30 PM

LOL. Of course it does! More corrupt (or catching up to Russia!

Gob on November 9, 2009 at 6:31 PM

And what that tells me is that there needs to be some more work before we get to the point where we’re not changing the status quo

whatsamatta? Hopeychange afraid of CHANGE?!?

Bozo… the guy WANTS to change health care from the status quo… what was all that idiotic rhetoric over the weekend about evoking taking the power away from bad people?

Now he’s afraid of changing the status quo?

Suck it up… This is REAL change.

Skywise on November 9, 2009 at 6:33 PM

So, the Blue Dogs get to answer the Question:

“Were you lying when you claimed you would not pass a national health care bill that funded abortion with tax dollars, or are you lying now?”

Sekhmet on November 9, 2009 at 6:33 PM

The only suckers are the American voters. The House of Representative and the Blue Dogs knew that the
Stupak amendment was temporary.

mobydutch on November 9, 2009 at 6:33 PM

The only way to get Obama to be pro-life is to convince him that some of the babies killed could be Muslims.

TXUS on November 9, 2009 at 6:34 PM

Let’s just hope all this dies in the Senate so we don’t have to worry about it…

davek70 on November 9, 2009 at 6:34 PM

What. A. Liar.

rockmom on November 9, 2009 at 6:34 PM

Elections have consequences. No matter how “historical” they are.

Stupid Electorate.

portlandon on November 9, 2009 at 6:35 PM

Their Radical Liberal Liar-in-Chief strikes again!

marklmail on November 9, 2009 at 6:35 PM

Exit question: Um, what?

Hmm them New Yorkers… just won’t ever learn will they.

upinak on November 9, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Sucker is right.Good luck,blue mutts, when you go home:):):)and Cao,I might add:)

Oh the shame of it all!

ohiobabe on November 9, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Have the Pro-Choice folks really been chafing under the Hyde Amendment all these years?

Cindy Munford on November 9, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Osama Obama needs to go.

So do the Traitorcarts in Congress.

While they are in power, we can only expect a continuing erosion of our rights and weakening of the country.

MrScribbler on November 9, 2009 at 6:37 PM

you lie!

cmsinaz on November 9, 2009 at 6:37 PM

And what that tells me is that there needs to be some more work before we get to the point where we’re not changing the status quo.

Blickety blah blah. Ogabe will get whatever the murdering fringe kookballs which comprise his base tell him to get. Subsidized abortion on demand for every female no matter their age, no problem.

Bishop on November 9, 2009 at 6:37 PM

One way or the other abortion will be covered or Planned Parenthood will receive some form of compensation from the government.

fourdeucer on November 9, 2009 at 6:37 PM

“sent an important signal.”

yes, that all Democrats lie

cmsinaz on November 9, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Congratulations, Catholic bishops. In stumping for Stupak, you just guaranteed that if this bill survives abortions WILL be taxpayer-funded. Good going, geniuses.

Sekhmet on November 9, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Alla I have a simple request and it is this:

Whenever you post a picture of Pinnochio could you include the caption “LIAR” underneath unless it is obvious that it is one of those very rare and probably inconsequential instances when he is actually NOT LYING?
Thanyou for your kind consideration!

dhunter on November 9, 2009 at 6:39 PM

Single issue voters are stupid…look, I am against abortion…but you don’t compromise with the devil. And yes, I did compare the One to the Devil.

Conservative Voice on November 9, 2009 at 6:39 PM

obama-hints-stupak 1st, 4th, 5th and 10th-amendments-will-have-to-go

FIFY!!!!!!

artist on November 9, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Forgot 2nd!

artist on November 9, 2009 at 6:40 PM

I thought arguing about abortion was above his paygrade?

Was Obama talking about George Soros?

dthorny on November 9, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Wait..are you saying that Obama might have been lying to us when he said that abortion wouldn’t be covered in this healthcare takeover?

I’m shocked! Next you’ll tell me that the bill won’t be deficit neutral and grandma’s treatment will be rationed.

Say it ain’t so!

Vera on November 9, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Owens positions – down the memory hole in less than a week. That they know they can get away with this stuff is truly terrifying.

stldave on November 9, 2009 at 6:40 PM

This is great news! It’s less likely to pass now.

Blake on November 9, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Holy CAO!

artist on November 9, 2009 at 6:41 PM

dhunter on November 9, 2009 at 6:39 PM

2nd that…

cmsinaz on November 9, 2009 at 6:42 PM

Obama..”You f’ed up you trused us..”

Caper29 on November 9, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Guys, we all have to realize that women are being oppressed by having to buy their own abortions. How dare we engage in such a patriarchal system. Don’t you know that forcing women to pay to kill their children results in poor women being forced to actually NOT KILL their children.

This is unacceptable. Every woman must have the right to have taxpayers pay to kill her child. It’s the American way./sarc

Vera on November 9, 2009 at 6:43 PM

So Joe Wilson was right again when he shouted “You Lie,” as Obama said not one penny would fund abortion…

And yet, he wants to remove such an amendment.

Enoxo on November 9, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Elections have consequences. No matter how “historical” they are.

Stupid Electorate.

portlandon on November 9, 2009 at 6:35 PM

Once again I’d like to give thanks to all the dumb Republicans who stayed home last November to “teach the GOP a lesson”. McCain wasn’t perfect, but he’s miles ahead of this empty suit.

Speaking of which, I am hearing from several sources in the state O’bama claims to have been born in that he and the family will again be spending Christmas at the ultra-pricey Kailua Beach. A home there recently broke a record by going on the market for $34+ million.

Del Dolemonte on November 9, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Congratulations, Catholic bishops. In stumping for Stupak, you just guaranteed that if this bill survives abortions WILL be taxpayer-funded. Good going, geniuses.

Sekhmet on November 9, 2009 at 6:38 PM

If you listen to Catholic radio you would have heard a different side of things. If this thing goes through (big if, hey didn’t we have another article this morning on HA saying the whole thing was dead?… anyway) Again, if it goes through then the american Bishops of the Church are going to have some ‘splainin to do. I don’t want to be all crazy-eyed and scream “schism”, but this is sometimes how these things start.

WitchDoctor on November 9, 2009 at 6:44 PM

This amendment passed Saturday night which not only prohibits abortion coverage in the public option, but also prohibits women who receive subsidies from taking out plans that — that provide abortion coverage.

It does no such thing! Under the Stupak Amendment, nobody is prohibited from buying a policy that covers abortion. They would just have to buy a separate policy – using their own money (what a concept) – covering abortion. Their general health insurance plan could be subsidized up the wazoo, but they’d have to foot the bill themselves for an extra policy that covers abortion. Why is that hard? Why is it so hard for even people like Tapper to understand?

jdp629 on November 9, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Owens is learning fast from Dear Liar.

rbj on November 9, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Communist democrat Bill Owens to NY voters …

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

SUCKERS!
Communist democrat Nancy Pelosi to American people …

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

SUCKERS!

darwin on November 9, 2009 at 6:45 PM

“Taxpayer funded abortion equals FREEDOM!”

/libdouche343/

farright on November 9, 2009 at 6:46 PM

I’d like to see a photograph of the people that believed this joker because they obviously live in some parallel universe and must be a site to behold. Will these mindless sheep ever learn?

rplat on November 9, 2009 at 6:46 PM

I am not sure what may be the problem here: Obama has never pretended to be anti-abortion.

He is just stating his view point. Anyone with any brain can understand that the entire Stupak amendment was to give Blue Dogs political cover. Unlike us, Dems are more interested in slaying the opposition.

So think about 2010. All those so worried about RINOs: reflect on this, one republican bolted in the congress. No one is likely to do so in the senate with the public option. How much more ideological unity you would want?

Maybe, it’s time to concentrate on slaying dems than indulging in stupid RINO hunting and that BS.

rightistliberal on November 9, 2009 at 6:46 PM

fourdeucer on November 9, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Of course it will the health care board will mandate it.

chemman on November 9, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Del Dolemonte on November 9, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Umm port voted.

Anything else you want to point out about republicans or conservatives and the fact that you can’t seem to pick ones that actually didn’t vote. Like Proud Rino.

Thanks

upinak on November 9, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Mmmmmm Mmmmmmm MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

SDarchitect on November 9, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Speaking of which, I am hearing from several sources in the state O’bama claims to have been born in that he and the family will again be spending Christmas at the ultra-pricey Kailua Beach. A home there recently broke a record by going on the market for $34+ million.
Del Dolemonte on November 9, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Where will Ogabe be spending Ramadan?

Bishop on November 9, 2009 at 6:48 PM

And, of course, NY-23 had not been Republican for a hundred years. Unless by a hundred he means “since the early nineties.”

I keep seeing the Dems hammering this point. It’s complete bullcrap, but no journalist calls them on it. I’m actually surprised Tapper apparently didn’t.

Well-Armed Lamb on November 9, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Once again I’d like to give thanks to all the dumb Republicans who stayed home last November to “teach the GOP a lesson”. McCain wasn’t perfect, but he’s miles ahead of this empty suit

.

+100

And add all those fantasizing about third parties and god knows what else.

rightistliberal on November 9, 2009 at 6:48 PM

There’s one, and only one, way to kill this for good. Simple advertise broadly to the electorate what their premiums were pre-Obamacare (stout, but doable) and will be post-Obamacare (2-3x pre-Obamacare). The argument needs to be framed in exact terms using the language passed by the House. It’s no secret that the public isn’t on board with NHC in an academic sense, but they’ll really revolt when they know how much this is going to cost them in real dollars and exact terms.

volnation on November 9, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Honestly, the ads for the RNC write themselves–all they have to do is put the information together.

deidre on November 9, 2009 at 6:49 PM

‘Kay, who else saw that smokescreen coming from a mile away?

Dark-Star on November 9, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Congratulations, Catholic bishops. In stumping for Stupak, you just guaranteed that if this bill survives abortions WILL be taxpayer-funded. Good going, geniuses.

I’ll make a prediction: If he puts abortion coverage back into this bill and passes it, the Catholic bishops will ensure that he’s a one term president. I frequently am disappointed by that group, but I honestly believe that they’ve drawn a line in the sand on this issue.

jdp629 on November 9, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Sub-clause 176.1:

Abortions will only mandatory for Islamophobes and bigots.

profitsbeard on November 9, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Maybe, it’s time to concentrate on slaying dems than indulging in stupid RINO hunting and that BS.

rightistliberal on November 9, 2009 at 6:46 PM

“Stupid” RINOs are Democrats . . . they just operate incognito.

rplat on November 9, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Honestly, the ads for the RNC write themselves–all they have to do is put the information together.

deidre on November 9, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Ditto – the Dems and Obama are giving Repubs. enough political holes to drive a truck through – the question is whether they’ll have the guts to press on the gas.

volnation on November 9, 2009 at 6:52 PM

I’m starting to think this guy would lie about what he had for lunch, just for the thrill of pulling one over on you.

Jim Treacher on November 9, 2009 at 6:53 PM

The bill drew the votes of 219 Democrats and Rep. Joseph Cao. Opposed were 176 Republicans and 39 Democrats.

220-215… Did the GOP lose 2 seats in the House on Nov. 3?

disillusioned on November 9, 2009 at 6:54 PM

The goal here is to make sure that people who have health insurance have greater stability and security, people who don’t have health insurance get the ability to buy it affordably and that we’re driving down costs.

Liar. Your goal, Mr. Obama, is to be an all powerful dictator.

MB4 on November 9, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Seriously – The media complicitly ignoring these colossal lies is tantamount to treason. Now, I know “treason” gets thrown about a lot these days, but omitting CONSTANT, WHOPPER, SUBSTANTIVE lies by PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES is dangerous to our country, no?

marklmail on November 9, 2009 at 6:55 PM

disillusioned on November 9, 2009 at 6:54 PM

NY 23, CA 10.

nelsonknows on November 9, 2009 at 6:55 PM

I’ll make a prediction: If he puts abortion coverage back into this bill and passes it, the Catholic bishops will ensure that he’s a one term president. I frequently am disappointed by that group, but I honestly believe that they’ve drawn a line in the sand on this issue.

jdp629 on November 9, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Won`t the damage already be done, one term or not? Getting rid of any program is nearly impossible once put into action. Abortion is a big issue in this discussion but this bill passed in any form is just bad news for everyone on many different levels.

bluemarlin on November 9, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Yo Yo Yo shout out to mah blue dawg bruvas!

badabump bump bump blue dogs under the bus…

bloviator on November 9, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Is Joe Wilson now vindicated again?

How many of these prolife Dems are under the bus now?

ted c on November 9, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Bottom line.

People who believe in dictatorships will vote for the bill and people who do not, won’t. It is that simple.

MB4 on November 9, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Elections have consequences. No matter how “historical” they are.

Stupid Electorate.

Our government has quietly created a new class of slaves – ones that actually revel in their servitude and dependence.

As long as we have non-achievers standing in line waiting for their cut of the “Obama Money” from “Obama’s Stash”, we’ll have votes cast for the new Massa.

The only difference between our government and the slave holders of old is that instead of having half your foot cut off when caught running, now you get called an Uncle Tom and told to get back up on the porch.

oldfiveanddimer on November 9, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Did these guys not see this coming? I cannot believe that they weren’t this dumb. The Dems vote for the amendment, vote for the bill, bill gets changed, back to a form they originally opposed.

Shell games.

ted c on November 9, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Any of the miserable Dems that voted “Yea” based upon this amendment that are “shocked” now should have their asses kicked up between their shoulder blades.

In the end, they voted for a bill that allows taxpayer money to fund abortion. Pure and simple. If they try to nuance their way out, ala John Effing Kerry, it’ll only be worse for them.

Idiots…

JoeinTX on November 9, 2009 at 6:59 PM

The Secret Service are traitors and oath breakers. THEY have taken an oath to support and defend the Constitution and are pissing on their oath.
This fraudulent traitor, Obama, has violated the U.S. Constitution over 100 times since 20 January, so has Congress.
THEY must be dragged from office, tried and hanged.

nelsonknows on November 9, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Breaking:

Nelson ‘highly unlikely’ to support Senate bill without abortion restrictions

Enoxo on November 9, 2009 at 6:59 PM

I have often wondered about his remarks that women shouldn’t be punished by being forced to have a baby.
Just maybe his “typical white person grandmother” might have said that to him.
If his mother had the option he might not be here,sigh!!!

concernedsenior on November 9, 2009 at 6:59 PM

I’m starting to think this guy would lie about what he had for lunch, just for the thrill of pulling one over on you.

Jim Treacher on November 9, 2009 at 6:53 PM

That’s generally what pathological liars do, isn’t it? If he shoe fits….

rockmom on November 9, 2009 at 7:00 PM

so is the 100 year claim about NY 23 a lie or distortion or what. Interesting that the R and C combined had more votes than the D.

CWforFreedom on November 9, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Breaking:

Nelson ‘highly unlikely’ to support Senate bill without abortion restrictions

Enoxo on November 9, 2009 at 6:59 PM
_______________________________________________

I am highly unlikely to believe him.

ICBM on November 9, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Abortions will only mandatory for Islamophobes and bigots.

profitsbeard on November 9, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Aka right wingers

/
I kid I kid

CWforFreedom on November 9, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Did these guys not see this coming? I cannot believe that they weren’t this dumb. The Dems vote for the amendment, vote for the bill, bill gets changed, back to a form they originally opposed.

Shell games.

ted c on November 9, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Of course they saw it coming. In fact they passed it fully understanding that it was all a sham to give political cover. It was never meant to get into the final bill and everybody knew it. The Council of Bishops should all be ex communicated for their support of abortion through this bill.

highhopes on November 9, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Did these guys not see this coming? I cannot believe that they weren’t this dumb. The Dems vote for the amendment, vote for the bill, bill gets changed, back to a form they originally opposed.

Shell games.

ted c on November 9, 2009 at 6:58 PM

They should have known for sure. The absolute only thing good that is coming out of this is that the people are waking up to the chicanery being practiced upon them.

bluemarlin on November 9, 2009 at 7:03 PM

nelsonknows on November 9, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Thanks. I was unaware of CA 10. Along with the Cao vote, did this turn the tide in favor of the bill? Where as the vote could’ve went 217-218.

disillusioned on November 9, 2009 at 7:04 PM

one republican bolted in the congress. No one is likely to do so in the senate with the public option. How much more ideological unity you would want?

Maybe, it’s time to concentrate on slaying dems than indulging in stupid RINO hunting and that BS.

rightistliberal on November 9, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Archiving this so when Snowe buckles and hands the Dims a HAIRtrigger public option and Collins and all the Blue balls sign on I can say I told you so.

Republicans In Name Only are going to give cover to fence sittin Dims to vote for this “Historic Bill” to quote a RINO

dhunter on November 9, 2009 at 7:04 PM

so is the 100 year claim about NY 23 a lie or distortion or what. Interesting that the R and C combined had more votes than the D.

CWforFreedom on November 9, 2009 at 7:00 PM

They’ve been relentlessly gerrymandering that district for years. The Democrats made a play for a conservative stronghold, and the RNC and the NRCC snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

alliebobbitt on November 9, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Any of the miserable Dems that voted “Yea” based upon this amendment that are “shocked” now should have their asses kicked up between their shoulder blades.

In the end, they voted for a bill that allows taxpayer money to fund abortion. Pure and simple. If they try to nuance their way out, ala John Effing Kerry, it’ll only be worse for them.

Idiots…

JoeinTX on November 9, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Oh but nuance they will witht he complicity of the media. I believe they have no fear about going this route. If they can ignore all the people who showed up on short notice to the capital as easy as they did why would they care about backtracking on this.

bluemarlin on November 9, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Without the GOP supporting the Stupak amendment, might this have also not the support of as many Dem’s? This seems to me as a wolf in sheeps clothing type of amendment that may be a non talking point for the Senate.

disillusioned on November 9, 2009 at 7:09 PM

…the people are waking up to the chicanery being practiced upon them.

bluemarlin on November 9, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Are they? Or are they just as ignorant as ever? Most of my neighbors don’t give a sh!t. “Well, if its gonna help people get better healthcare…”

ROCnPhilly on November 9, 2009 at 7:09 PM

There’s one, and only one, way to kill this for good. Simple advertise broadly to the electorate what their premiums were pre-Obamacare (stout, but doable) and will be post-Obamacare (2-3x pre-Obamacare). The argument needs to be framed in exact terms using the language passed by the House. It’s no secret that the public isn’t on board with NHC in an academic sense, but they’ll really revolt when they know how much this is going to cost them in real dollars and exact terms.

volnation on November 9, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Honestly, the ads for the RNC write themselves–all they have to do is put the information together.

deidre on November 9, 2009 at 6:49 PM

The RNC won’t! Some concerned citizen with a bunch of money will have to if this extremely good idea is to come to fruition.
The RNC is too busy scouring the country trying to find RINO’s to run against conservatives and Sarah!

dhunter on November 9, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Catholic Bishops were out of their league and dealing with the devil….. They need to stay the H out of politics.

ultracon on November 9, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Catholic Bishops were out of their league and dealing with the devil….. They need to stay the H out of politics.

ultracon on November 9, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Considering the very long and very checkered history of the Catholic Church in politics, they should have gotten the **** out a long time ago.

Dark-Star on November 9, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Where will Ogabe be spending Ramadan?

Bishop on November 9, 2009 at 6:48 PM

If there were any justice, he’d be spending it in prison.

ZeeMI on November 9, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Are they? Or are they just as ignorant as ever? Most of my neighbors don’t give a sh!t. “Well, if its gonna help people get better healthcare…”

ROCnPhilly on November 9, 2009 at 7:09 PM</blockquote

I understand your point and I have received many reactions as you described above. I have also had some who did not care all that long ago who have changed their opinions quite drastically lately. So I surely hope that more and more are opening their eyes to what is happening. I certainly can see where I may be being overly optimistic.

bluemarlin on November 9, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Liberals always lie and the people fall for it. Over and over again. Wake up in 2010 !!!

WyoMike on November 9, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Trust in Pelosi, says Planned Parenthood chief

LMFAO! Fire Marshal Bill aka Pelosi isn’t worth trusting. Remember what happened to Bill… POOF!

upinak on November 9, 2009 at 7:17 PM

I’ll make a prediction: If he puts abortion coverage back into this bill and passes it, the Catholic bishops will ensure that he’s a one term president. I frequently am disappointed by that group, but I honestly believe that they’ve drawn a line in the sand on this issue.

jdp629 on November 9, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Bet? The little boy molesters are gonna hold Pinnochio to his word on abortion when most of their parishioners ignore the ban on abortion and contraception and excuse away the priests sexual predilictions.

They will draw lines in the sand until they drown themselves before this happens.
Just like Obama and OBiden could personally order the bombing of Jerusalem and the Jews would still vote Dim!

dhunter on November 9, 2009 at 7:17 PM

These disgusting rectum holes are negotiating babies. One side wants them dead … the other alive.

darwin on November 9, 2009 at 7:19 PM

If the Catholic bishops truly wanted public funding banned for aboriotn, they woule tell any Catholic politician who voted for it to stay away from the Communion rail. But they never dared do it with Teddy, who made the “personally opposed to abortion” acceptable. Hard for them to start now.

Wethal on November 9, 2009 at 7:19 PM

one republican bolted in the congress. No one is likely to do so in the senate with the public option. How much more ideological unity you would want?

Maybe, it’s time to concentrate on slaying dems than indulging in stupid RINO hunting and that BS.

rightistliberal/ RINO on November 9, 2009 at 6:46 PM

donh525 on November 9, 2009 at 7:20 PM

I’ll make a prediction: If he puts abortion coverage back into this bill and passes it, the Catholic bishops will ensure that he’s a one term president. I frequently am disappointed by that group, but I honestly believe that they’ve drawn a line in the sand on this issue.

jdp629 on November 9, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Won`t the damage already be done, one term or not? Getting rid of any program is nearly impossible once put into action. Abortion is a big issue in this discussion but this bill passed in any form is just bad news for everyone on many different levels.

Yes, but the Catholic Church is not an American institution. Like it or not, the bishops might not really care who pays how much for health care or whether taxes are “too high” or not. They probably don’t even care what goes into a health care insurance plan, as long as people are not forced to pay for things that are intrinsically evil, such as abortions. They aren’t always right on top of things, and I often disagree with them, but if they get screwed on this they will “come after” the politicians who did it and do whatever they can to see to it that they are defeated at the polls next time around. Try to get elected President without at least 45% Catholic vote.

jdp629 on November 9, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Exit question: How long will they be able to continue lying?

GarandFan on November 9, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Yes, but the Catholic Church is not an American institution. Like it or not, the bishops might not really care who pays how much for health care or whether taxes are “too high” or not. They probably don’t even care what goes into a health care insurance plan, as long as people are not forced to pay for things that are intrinsically evil, such as abortions. They aren’t always right on top of things, and I often disagree with them, but if they get screwed on this they will “come after” the politicians who did it and do whatever they can to see to it that they are defeated at the polls next time around. Try to get elected President without at least 45% Catholic vote.

jdp629 on November 9, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Wait a minute. Everyone in America knew this was a ploy to get the bill passed EXCEPT these guys. WOW!

donh525 on November 9, 2009 at 7:27 PM

But there are NO death panels…unless you are sick, old, or unborn.

SouthernGent on November 9, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Yes, but the Catholic Church is not an American institution. Like it or not, the bishops might not really care who pays how much for health care or whether taxes are “too high” or not. They probably don’t even care what goes into a health care insurance plan, as long as people are not forced to pay for things that are intrinsically evil, such as abortions. They aren’t always right on top of things, and I often disagree with them, but if they get screwed on this they will “come after” the politicians who did it and do whatever they can to see to it that they are defeated at the polls next time around. Try to get elected President without at least 45% Catholic vote.

jdp629 on November 9, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Wait a minute. Everyone in America knew this was a ploy to get the bill passed EXCEPT these guys. WOW!

donh525 on November 9, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Sorry. Double post!

donh525 on November 9, 2009 at 7:30 PM

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